Name of Church St. Edward the Confessor
Address 4410 E. Southern Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85040
Phone number (602) 253-6090
Website www.phoenixlatinmass.org
Mass times Sundays, 9 a.m. (chant Mass), 11 a.m. (High Mass), 1 p.m. (sermon in Spanish). Monday – Friday (except Wednesday), 6:30 a.m. Wednesday, 8 a.m. All are traditional Latin Masses using the missal of 1962.
Confessions 30 minutes before Mass. Saturdays, 2 – 3 p.m.
Names of priests Fr. Michael Passo, pastor. Fr. Federico Masutti and Fr. Martin Rangel-Garcia, assistant pastors. All are traditional priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) and liturgies are reverent. The FSSP was established in 1988 and its apostolates can be found throughout the world.
Parish groups Confraternity of Christian Mothers, CarePortal for Life (for pregnant mothers), Helpers of the Immaculate Heart and Daughters of the Heavenly Queen (for girls), Knights of Columbus, Meals for Moms, Porters of St. Joseph (for men), Seven Sisters Apostolate (for women), St. Anne’s Homeschool Apostolate, Troops of St. George (for boys), youth and young adult groups.
Music The parish offers traditional Catholic music under the direction of choirmaster and organist Patrick Williams. Groups include four choirs and two ensembles.
Parking There is ample parking by the church.
Additional observations The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) came to the Diocese of Phoenix at the invitation of Bishop Thomas Olmsted in 2005. Fr. Kenneth Fryar was the FSSP’s first chaplain, serving as chaplain to the new community at St. Thomas the Apostle Church. Fr. Joseph Terra found a new location, Mater Misericordiae (Mother of Mercy). And, in 2021, Mater Misericordiae established a second church site, St. Edward the Confessor, because of the parish’s growth. Hence, Mater Misericordiae Parish has two churches, Mater Misericordiae and St. Edward the Confessor. Mater Misericordiae is located in downtown Phoenix; St. Edward in southeastern Phoenix. A decline in parish attendance forced the closure of St. Edward Parish, and its reopening as an FSSP church under the Mater Misericordiae umbrella. It seats 450; the parish serves 800 registered families.
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If your going to be in Phoenix, might as well check out St. Thomas More in Glendale. The music at Mass rocks! And no need to drive to it cuz they have a livestream of Mass.
Excellent profile of a likely wonderful parish!
Phoenix— worth driving to? Can we keep it in California please?
Some of us occasionally escape to beyond the borders of Gavin’s kingdom. Nice to know good parishes when we do.
Since Scripture and the church teach that God wills the salvation of all, hence universal salvation, what does it matter where or whether you go to Mass? What’s the point of anything then? Long life or short, good or bad, faithful or unfaithful, easy or hard, rich or poor, happy or sad, you still end up in heaven. Okay, theologians and priests and the pope might quibble about the degree of your beatitude in heaven based on how you lived your life on earth, but my stance is that if I’m given tickets to the Super Bowl, even if they are in the nosebleed section, I’m still at the Super Bowl! I’m there. So if everyone gets to the Super Bowl in heaven, what does anything matter? You’ll be there… you have a seat waiting for you.
Most people go to purgatory, the next number to hell. Very few go directly to Heaven.
Assuming that this is sincere, God wills the salvation of all, but each individual is free to reject God’s Will. God does not force people to love Him or to love their neighbor.
If you desire salvation, you can have it. But you can also blow it.
In the Holy Father’s decree granting the beloved FSSP the faculties to offer the Mass using the Missal of Pope John XXIII, he clearly limited this faculty only to be used “in their own churches or oratories; otherwise it may only be used with the consent of the Ordinary of the place.” Therefore, unless the bishop of the place has allowed it, these beloved FSSP priests cannot go to places other than those entrusted to them in order to offer the “vetus ordo.” And rightly so, as the Mass using the Missal of Pope Paul VI is the “lex orandi” of the Church, the usual and ordinary way that the Church offers the Sacrifice of Jesus Our Lord. This is about unity folks; it’s about not thumbing one’s nose at the Missal of Pope Paul VI, the origin of which is mandated by Vatican II.
Correction– this never was about “unity.” True unity is never forced on a people, including the People of God– by one bull-headed “king.” In history, tyrants and bullies have been known to destroy their kingdoms (and churches) with bullying, for a false unification, under him and his ego. King Henry VIII “unified” Great Britain under himself, for his own selfish interests, and he destroyed all the Catholic churches and monasteries, killed as many of the Catholic priests, monks, and laymen as he could, outlawing the Catholic religion in Great Britain, Ireland, etc. Everyone was mandated by the King, with his new laws, to attend the new Anglican services, every Sunday, regularly—- or horrible consequences will follow. Same thing with radical Islamic countries, and Communist countries (China, Nicaragua, etc.) — forced unity, under a selfish, despotic ruler, and his philosophy. This is evil. Such tyrants have no talent nor understanding nor interest in good leadership, nor interest in the true well-being and respect for their people– in this case, the People of God. Forced, despotic false unification will always eventually result in the fracture and brokenness (not unity) of the group of people, and subvert their whole future. In the end, it won’t last.
“False’s” comment shows that this is certainly all about unity. Her false comments unjustly and uncharitably attacking Pope Francis shows a schismatic heart. For example it is false to say that “Pope Francis is forcing Catholics”. False. An ecumenical council, the highest form of legislation in the Church, mandated the reform of the liturgy for the entire Latin-Rite Church so that we can all worship God in unity. If “False’s” unjust comments is typical of the sentiments of those who love the Missal of John XXIII, then things may not go well for such people whose heart is already is schism.
Yes, the current pope is bullying Latin Mass Catholics. And promoting bad pro- gay Jesuits, like Fr. James Martin, and Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, head of the Synod on Synodality. And the pope abolished the original PAL, of Pope St. John Paul II– and set up a new, secular, heretical PAL, which no longer abides by Catholic teaching– led by pro-gay Abp. Paglia. We need a new pope, faithful to Catholic teaching, who truly, courageously stands for and preaches and teaches ONLY our true Catholic Faith and Morals. And who truly respects and cherishes all of our 2000+ years of our Sacred Tradition.
If anyone is being “bullied”, attacked, and maligned, it’s definitely the Holy Father Pope Francis. Just listen to yourself, “Reply.” Just listen to yourself.
We all need to just stop sinning, jon, so that we can be more like you, you know, full of his own importance but just not in that sinful way.
Vatican II decreed the general restoration/reform of the liturgy. To celebrate the TLM is at least implicitly, and more than likely explicitly, to reject Vatican II by rejecting the Council’s mandate that the TLM be reformed. It is to choose disunity with the Church that chose to revise its liturgy.
With so many on-going Church problems since Vatican II– liturgical abuses, immorality, Catholic clerics and laymen “doing as they please” (like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, etc., with abortion, transgenderism, and gay “marriage”), poor catechesis, closures of Catholic churches, parish schools, and seminaries, few priestly vocations, plus religious orders dying out, and many religious orders and Catholic schools and universities they run, no longer accepting Catholic beliefs, and the clerical sex abuse crisis, and current LGBT problems– it would be a great idea, very smart, to have another Vatican Council, and honestly discuss and tackle all of these many issues. Not very smart, to just keep going, with so many problems, ignoring it all. Laymen cannot function well, spiritually, with their families and children, in a Church they cannot rely on, with endless serious problems. And they won’t want to support it financially, either.
Obviously another ecumenical council is not necessary. You should have participated in the synod preparations. If you didn’t you can still pray for the synod. The prayer is online or it is in the Enchiridion of Indulgences.
False unity. and there is the unity of Babel, where people were united with each other but not with God. If you do not understand the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, you may feel “forced.” The faithful do not feel forced at all.
Sorry, the faithful are not very interested. And the good Catholics who are doing well with their families at Latin Tridentine Masses are, in fact, being bullied by a poor Church leader– all for nothing. Maybe you think they ought to attend one of the new Phoenix bishop’s “Gay Pride” Masses. What a laugh.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee.
Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
St. Michael defend us.
All lies come from Satan.
I don’t give people like this the benefit of the doubt anymore.
There are good people and good Catholics who attend the Latin Mass and go to FSSP parishes but they don’t try to hurt the Church.
No one is being bullied, and certainly no one in the Church is bullying those who go to the Extraordinary Form. If anything it is Pope Francis who is being bullied, maligned, persecuted.
Jon, is your calling them “beloved” sincere or sarcastic name calling? If the latter, I expected better from you.
Since Pope Francis does not have an issue with the FSSP, why do you?
I’ve never served a TLM, but respect those who do and those who attend. I know several, mostly younger, Catholics who attend the TLM. They are mostly exemplary Catholics and none I know deny the validity of the Ordinary Form. It’s okay. Really. There’s no need for such critical comments about something approved by the pope. My thoughts.
So, “anonymous,” quote to me my words which indicate my expression of “critical comments about something approved by the pope.”
I asked if you calling FSSP priests “beloved” was sarcastic. Was it?
The pope approves of the FSSP and the TLM they celebrate.
And I am asking you to prove your point that I have expressed “such critical comments about something approved by the Pope.” That is a more pressing question because you’re bringing up a claim, and those who bring up a claim or an allegation are duty-bound to prove it if called upon. I calling upon you to prove your point.
God bless the FSSP.
800 registered Catholic families– and growing. They have many programs for the whole family, including a Homeschooling group, a Pro Life group, children’s groups, mothers’ groups, mens’ groups– including the Knights of Columbus– everything a good Catholic parish should have. And four choirs and two ensembles, opportunities to involve parishioners and their children, in Catholic Sacred Music for Mass. So glad that the Phoenix FSSP parish communities were able to recover, and grow strong, after that violent attack in June, 2014, in which poor, young Fr. Kenneth Walker, age 28, was brutally murdered. Hope the former Mater Misericordiae pastor, Fr. Joseph Terra, seriously wounded in the attack, was able to fully recover, and is doing okay, today. The FSSP is outside of the Pope’s “Traditionis Custodes.” A future pope may have different ideas, than the current one. And he might not like the current pope’s Synods, either– and he might banish Fr. James Martin, S.J., and all the LGBT– promoting clerics. We’ll see. The beautiful, 1500+ years-old Traditional Latin Mass is a great treasure of the Catholic Church. And it is just as good as the ancient Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy (Mass). Good Catholic parishes can foster authentic Catholic beliefs and good Catholic family values, which can help transform the evil Culture of Death, and reform it slowly, into Christ’s Culture of Life.
“A future pope may have different ideas, than the current one.” This needs to be fine-tuned. If the people devoted to the “vetus ordo” insists on using the Missal of Pope John XXIII to divide themselves from the rest of the Church and to eschew Vatican II, then a future pope will not “have different ideas than” Pope Francis. That future pope will continue to implement “Traditionis custodes” if he sees division in the Church from those who love the Missal of Pope John XXIII. Popes and bishops have the responsibility of guarding the unity and the traditions of the Church. The Mass using the Missal of Pope Paul VI can be just as beautiful and rich; it is just as holy, sacred, and grace-filled.
This looks like an excellent parish with good priests and parishioners, and it offers a lot and is growing and thriving– even after their terrible tragedy, in 2014. A great many Catholic parishes and schools with the New Mass, continue to be closed by bishops, all over the world. The current pope has obviously misunderstood and mishandled the situation. Very poor leadership. No one wants to raise their children and grandchildren by the “Synodal” Church of Pope Francis, Fr. James Martin, Cdl. Jean-Claude Hollerich, Abp. Paglia, false head of the false PAL, the new “Pachamama Mass,” etc. etc. This is not Catholic, and it is immoral. The clergy sex abuse scandals/cover-ups are also extremely scary. And no one wants their kids to hear the Pope’s “remarks” that he “has never denied Communion to anyone”– and pressures his bishops and priests to follow this wrongful belief and practice, which is against Catholic teaching and Canon Law. The scandalous, pro-abort Nancy Pelosi’s SF parish and its school, along with many others in SF, has been on the list to be possibly closed, within a predicted time frame. Very few Mass-goers, and financially very shaky. (Not because of COVID.) These Catholic parishes and schools are dying, worldwide.
If you are not Catholic, and not faithful, why even comment?
Let people alone to live their faith.
Stop importing slander from other anti-Catholic websites.
Faithful? To what? The new Phoenix bishop’s “Gay Pride” Masses? Faithful to Jesuit Fr. James Martin, the papal favorite– promoter of the gay lifestyle?
Faithful to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, our Lord and Savior.
Sorry, the current pope and his fellow Jesuits– like Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, Fr. James Martin, and thousands of other Jesuits– are NOT faithful Catholics.
You must be one of the infiltrators. We used to have a lot more of them here until that report came out.
The FSSP is a good order, but not every one in it is good and holy.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/249517/father-james-jackson-wrote-about-sex-abuse-scandals-prior-to-his-arrest
Commenter– No “infiltrators”– just plain old good common sense.
Commenter, that was a horrific thing, clerical child sex abuse, of Fr. James Jackson. I haven’t heard of any other FSSP priests accused of clerical child sex abuse. There is also a recent case, in the Diocese of Oakland, involving a lay Catholic employee. Jeremiah York, age 24, the Director of Liturgical Ministries, Staff Photographer, and Executive Assistant to the Pastor of the Oakland Cathedral of Christ the Light, was arrested on charges of possessing and distributing child pornography, a few months ago– and was fired from his jobs at the Cathedral.
Wonderful Catholic parish, The FSSP answers directly to the Pope.
Yes, and the FSSP is doing very well, with their Tridentine Latin Masses– lots and lots of good Catholic families! Thriving parishes. Better than the Pope’s fellow Jesuits, Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, Fr. James Martin.
They can do all that good while celebrating the new Mass. Get with the times. Get with Vatican II.
No. You “get with Christ,” and take your famly, your spouse and children– and get out of the Satan-drenched, sinful world– and follow Christ, Who is not of this world. Stand quietly and courageously against the sinful world, and all its sinful eras, including today’s Culture of Death– for Christ. Get with Christ– or lose your souls!
“Stand quietly and courageously against the sinful world, and all its [sic] sinful eras, including today’s Culture of Death.” Right, stand courageously against the death penalty therefore, because it is part of the culture of death.
Also, while you’re at it, “get with Christ” means “get with the bishops and the Pope” because they are the successors to the Apostles. I am therefore inaugurating a new slogan: Get with Christ! Get with the Magisterium! Respect Pope Francis!
Exactly the kind of language the hippies used to use back in the ’60s.
The whole enterprise seems so dated and frozen in time at this point. The timelessness of tradition will outlast the fads of the ’60s.
And the TLM doesn’t seem frozen in the 16th century? I’m not a fan of TLM, and I’m not an opponent of it either, but it seems ridiculous to think of the current mass as dated and frozen in time given that that is the purpose and draw of the TLM to many, and the purpose of the reforms is to reclaim what had been lost and eliminate those things that were stuck in time.
“Let it go, let it go
Can’t hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don’t care what they’re going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway”
Sorry, the whole agenda behind the New Mass is “modernization”– and Modernists are trapped in only one era– the current “modern” era, the Culture of Death era– which is not religious, and is extremely worldly and secular– anti-God, anti-Bible, anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic. Christ lived over 2000 years ago, as a Jew, the Jewish Messiah, in Israel– the Son of God, the Word of God incarnate, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, Eternal, and Timeless– outside of all the ages of Man on Earth. We have a very ancient, historically rich religion– going all the way back to the world’s Creation, and Adam and Eve. Our religion is holy, it is of God– it has nothing at all to do with the world, and worldly things, and the recent “modern era.” Let go of the world, and worldly things, and worldly eras, including the current “Culture of Death” modern era. Go find Christ.
Of course– Christ is in the Blessed Sacrament, the Holy Eucharist, no matter which Mass you attend. He is there for us!
The Missal of Pope Paul VI does not have an agenda of “modernization.” That’s false. It’s a falsehood perpetrated by the enemies of the Church. Here is what Pope Paul VI wrote about an aim of the new Missal: “that the Missal will be received by the faithful as an instrument which bears witness to and which affirms the common unity of all. Thus, in the great diversity of languages, one unique prayer will rise as an acceptable offering to our Father in heaven, through our High-Priest Jesus Christ, in the Holy Spirit.” (Missale Romanum). “Reply’s” continued denigration of the Mass is most distasteful.
The Mass of Pope Paul VI is just fine. Whoever said it wasn’t? Pope St. John XXIII and Pope St. Paul VI both expressed the interest to “modernize” the Church. That was why the Pope called for Vatican II. But there were others who ran way too far with Modernism. They believed exclusively in only “Modernism” concepts. They wanted to chop off the Catholic Church and chop off all Western Civilization, prior to the 1960s, and pretend that only the “modern” era existed and had any value, and everything prior to the 1960s was deemed worthless.
“Pope St. John XXIII and Pope St. Paul VI both expressed the interest to “modernize” the Church.” Prove your point. Quote exactly Pope John XXIII’s and Pope Paul VI’s words saying exactly that: that the expressed interest to “modernize” the Church. “Reply to Let” did a great job connecting the “New Mass” to “modernization” then proceeds to provide a litany of deficiencies of modernism. “Whoever said the Mass of Pope Paul VI is not fine”? Look at the comment from “Reply to Let”.
Modernism was going on long before Vatican II.
I think if you read the Vatican II documents you will find in them a refutation of Modernism.
“Let it go, let it go
Can’t hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don’t care what they’re going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway”
To the contrary
“1
Faith of our fathers, living still
In spite of dungeon, fire and sword,
O how our hearts beat high with joy
Whene’er we hear that glorious word!
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!
2
Our fathers, chained in prisons dark,
Were still in heart and conscience free;
And blest would be their children’s fate,
If they, like them should die for thee:
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!
3
Faith of our fathers, we will strive
To win all nations unto thee;
And through the truth that comes from God
Mankind shall then indeed be free.
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!
4
Faith of our fathers, we will love
Both friend and foe in all our strife,
And preach thee, too, as love knows how
By kindly words and virtuous life.
Faith of our fathers! holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death!”
Never seen that movie. Not a fan of Disney and not a child.
Why did they remove Our Lady of Guadalupe, the Sacred Heart, St Joseph and the Merciful Christ to put up that wallpaper?
https://www.catholicsun.org/2021/12/16/refurbished-st-edward-new-home-to-traditional-mass-community/
Maybe they put the statues in another part of the church, with Vigil Lights, for parishioners.
Modernism and modernization are two completely different things.
I always call the anti-Pope anti Vatican II people “modernists who like the Latin Mass.”
Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies.
Each heretic decided that they know better than the Church.
So the synthesis of all heresies to me would be that the Church is wrong, that it has no better insight into God than any individual.
We know this to be false because of our Faith in the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Maybe I am being simplistic.
Someone with better knowledge than I would be welcome to chime in here.
Fr. James Martin is an example of modernism.
The religious ed conference in Anaheim is an example of modernization.
Hey, I just thought of a good motto
for the Anaheim REC:
“Together in Error”
You would have to explain that. I do not think it is correct.
Regarding Modernism– for starters, read Pope St. Pius X’s criticisms and condemnation of Modernism. You can also read all about condemnations of Modernistic ideas and trends in every field, also in Protestantism, starting in the late 19th century. Modernists rejected the authority of the Bible, did not accept it as being the Truth, nor the inspired Word of God, and viewed it in a very liberal sense, as just being open to individual interpretations and ideas. Modernism rebelled against and rejected tradition, and traditional structures, forms, and traditional learning and professional practice, in every field– art, music, literature, philosophy, education, etc. They tried free love, dope, long before the 1960s. They believed in rebellion and freedom from society, freedom from traditional structures, forms, knowledge, beliefs, and discipline, and sought free expression, abstractions, and so-called creative experimentation– and destruction (like Cancel Culture) of all traditional forms, structure, professional standards, traditional body of knowledge, and discipline. In the field of history–the liberal Modernists want to cancel everything prior to the modern era, and re-write it all– write a false history– to suit their political agendas. Modernism actually has its roots in the rebellious concepts of the French Enlightenment, in which man’s reason replaced God and religion, and secularism and individualism was emphasized.
Here is a famous San Francisco Modernist: Isadora Duncan (1877-1927), an influential pioneer of Modern Dance in the early 20th century, was born and raised in SF. She was taught all the arts at home, by her mother, a music teacher. She became a dancer and dance teacher, at a very young age. Isadora stated publicly that she believed that Ballet was “ugly and unnatural,” too constricting, with too many rules. She sought a free and natural dance expression, and studied Nature and ancient Greek art. She danced freely, barefoot, in scandalously thin, Greek-like outfits, to show her natural body movements. She wanted to be a “free soul,” and burned her parents’ marriage certificate in her bedroon, as a child. Her parents later were divorced. She was bisexual, a Communist sympathizer of the Bolshevik Revolution, was totally against marriage, believed in birth control, and had many lovers, and three illegitimate children, who died tragically, causing her great sorrow. Isadora was killed in a famous, freak car accident, in Nice, France, in 1927.
That is modern dance.
There is nothing in the heresy of “modernism” that is contained in any of the documents of Vatican II. Stop insinuating that there is, and that therefore the Mass of Pope Paul VI is deficient.
jon, the commenter, “examples,” in the post of April 18 at 9:12am, had it right. This commenter gave two excellent examples of Modernism in today’s Church–
1. Gay-promoter, Jesuit Fr. James Martin; and
2. The annual Anaheim L.A. Religious Ed. Congress– loaded with Modernist heresy and sin. Vatican II sought to update and modernize the Catholic Church. Not destroy it with actual Modernist heresies condemned by Pope St. Pius X. Today, sadly, there are top Catholic clerics who are actually embracing those Modernist heresies. That’s why the Anaheim L A. REC continues in its terrible destructions, yearly.
Modernism as a heresy is different than modernism in art and literature. I think you are conflating a lot of different things.
This is true– but Modernism has affected nearly every field, except Science. Although Svience has adopted Modernistic beliefs, in seeking false freedoms to do very immoral things. Pope St. Pius X was well aware of Modernism in all fields, and condemned it all, as he saw the great destructions to Christianity and to Western Civilization. Pope St. Pius X condemned Modernism in the Catholic Church as a heresy. Today, many top Catholic clerics embrace Modernism. It is no longer on the “heresy” list.
According to Pope Pius X’s “Pascendi Dominici gregis,” a characteristic of a modernist is that “they are wont to display a certain contempt for Catholic doctrines, or the Holy Fathers, for the Ecumenical Councils, for the ecclesiastical magisterium; and should they be rebuked for this, they complain that they are being deprived of their liberty” (18).
Does that sound familiar to you folks? Yeah modernists may include the likes of Martin, but it also includes the beloved SSPX and all those other clerics from the “traditionalist” groups who disobey and disregard “Traditionis custodes” and believe that the Pops is “depriving them of their liberty.”
Yes, jon, you are getting it.
Here’s a challenge for you folks: why don’t the beloved FSSP start offering the Missal of Pope Paul VI in a manner they prefer. They can do it ad orientem, in Latin, Gregorian and polyphonic chants. Why don’t they show us the way to offer it. The Canons of St. John Cantius are doing it. Why don’t the beloved FSSP, the Institute of Christ the King, and the rest of the ex-Ecclesia Dei communities follow the Canons of St. John Cantius?
The FSSP are doing great work for Christ. All of the other churches offer the New Mass. There are regular Latin Masses in the Dominican Rite, Latin Tridentine Masses, and Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgies (Masses), in churches near where I live. All highly approved of by the archbishop. These Masses are inspiring priestly vocations.
Respect the unity of the Latin-Rite Church.
Forcing a false unity according to one man’s selfish whims creates divisiveness, not unity. Respect is greatly needed. And no more phony “listening sessions” with the phony Synods. Either honestly listen and care– or stop the phony Synods. Stop “listening” to gay-lifestyle promoters, Hollerich, Martin, Grammick, etc.– phony, immoral heretics– not Catholics. Where is your common sense?
The one Man is Christ and he is not selfish or whimsical but he does divide.
This is false. Christ does not divide the Church. He prayed “ut unum sint”: that they may all be one.
I did not say that he divided the Church.
Read Matthew 10.
Read Genesis 1.
John 17 :20 -21 “I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.”
We should not take these things out of context. Union with God is how we become one. Being one is more than being united.
Holy Communion is how God does this.
Being one with God without being one with the rest of the Church and the human race is not the kind of unity that Christ meant when he prayed “ut unum sint.” Christ meant being at one with God and the rest of the Church.
jon, yes…and the means is the Sacraments
jon, maybe you should move to the Archdiocese of Chicago, with Cardinal Cupich. He has extremely restricted the Tridentine Latin Mass and the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius, and similar priests. Theirs is one of the few parishes where Cupich now allows only a very limited schedule of Latin Tridentine Masses. Yet Cupich also has allowed the sacrilegious liturgical abuses at Novus Ordo Masses, of Fr. Michael Pfleger, at St. Sabina Church; Cupich has allowed the sacrilegious Novus Ordo Masses with guitar blessings, by Fr. Terrence Keehan, at Holy Family Church. And Cupich has told priests to give Communion to pro-abort politicians.
Guess what: the cause of unity of the Church takes precedence of rubrical preference. It will be better for you people if you would work towards a more devout liturgy in places like St. Sabina in Chicago (rather than going against the Pope’s “Traditionis custodes”).
If you want your vision of so-called “unity,” under ONLY ONE form of the Mass– sorry, that will never, never happen! Do not tell Dominicans, Franciscans, Tridentine Latin Mass priests and attendees, Eastern Orthodox Catholics in union with Rome, and many others– to all abandon their “worthless” forms of Mass, and adopt ONLY YOURS. Very arrogant and selfish! Even worse– the horrific, sacrilegious new Pachamama Mass, soon-to-be authorized by the Pope– his favorite! Want to go get their brand-new, awful, pagan Missal, and a Pachamana statue, for your home? With the Pope’s blessing? I am going to be sick!
“Reply’s” comment needs to be address because no one is asking the Dominicans and Eastern Orthodox Catholics to “abandon their ‘worthless’ forms of Mass.” That’s a horrific straw-man argument.
Firstly no one has said that the Dominican and Eastern-Rite Catholic liturgies are “worthless.” Your straw-man there (“worthless”) is truly horrific.
Secondly, the Dominicans are Latin-Rite priests and all of them (in my impression) know and offer the Missal of Pope Paul VI. The Eastern Orthodox Catholic priests belong to their respective Rites. They don’t have to offer the Latin-Rite Missal of Pope Paul VI).
However, priests of the beloved FSSP and Institute ARE Lain-Rite priests. And the Latin-Rite Church has one unique “lex orandi,” namely the Missal of Pope Paul VI, or the Ordinary Form, because the Missal of Pope John XXIII was reformed by the authority of Vatican II and then by Pope Paul VI.
Those who are clinging to the old Missal are clinging to a tradition that the Fathers of Vatican II has not handed down. Therefore they may be using that old Missal to register their dissent from Vatican II.
If so, then that is an attack on the unity of the Church. And that attack must stop.
If you want your vision of so-called “unity,” under ONLY ONE form of the Mass– sorry, that will never, never happen! Do not tell Dominicans, Franciscans, Tridentine Latin Mass priests and attendees, Eastern Orthodox Catholics in union with Rome, and many others– to all abandon their “worthless” forms of Mass, and adopt ONLY YOURS. Very arrogant and selfish! Even worse– the horrific, sacrilegious new Pachamama Mass, soon-to-be authorized by the Pope– his favorite! Want to go get their brand-new, awful, pagan Missal, and a Pachamana statue, for your home? With the Pope’s blessing? I am going to be sick!
I must ask “Reply”: is she still hanging onto the lie about the “pachamama”? Nobody “worshipped” the “pachamama” at the Vatican back in 2019. That’s a lie. A blatant lie. It was a lie that was used to stir people up against Pope Francis and the Church. And a new “pachamama Mass”? That’s also another lie. A horrific lie.
And a new “pachamama Mass”? Sounds like another blatant lie. This, folks, is the real arrogance and selfishness: spreading lies and calumnies against the Pope. “Reply” is falsely accusing the Pope of the very thing she’s guilty of.
Folks, get out of these dissentful blogs, dissentful news-sources, and dissentful social media which are written by the enemies of the Catholic Church.
I worry about your soul.
According to an Eastern Catholic website called “Theology and Reason”, the Amazonians did not actually worship the things on the ground, including the “Pachama”, but were uplifting their hands toward heaven and worshipping God, but even that website admits that it was very imprudent to use two naked statues of women to represent the Virgin Mary and St. Elizabeth, if that were the case. Decent Christian women were appalled, also, that the bulletin of the woman nursing an animal was put in a church.
I am sorry that some poorly formed Catholics have done evil and made these men by-words.
No good Catholic participates in that.
Deep concerns about Modernism in the Catholic Church, and seeking to eradicate Modernists, sort of died out, with the death of Pope St. Pius X, in 1914. Benedict XV, his successor, who had been previously called a “Modernist,” did not pursue Modernist priests and bishops (etc.) in the Church any more, and try to stop them. Pope St. John XXIII was also previously called a “Modernist,” before he was elected as Pope. Pope St. Pius X’s famous “Oath Against Modernism” was required to be sworn to, by all Catholic clerics, and professors at Catholic seminaries and universities, especially in fields of philosophy and theology. Also, when priests were ordained, they had to take this Oath. During the reign of Pope St. Paul VI, the required “Oath Against Modernism” was finally abolished. That is really a shame, because the Catholic Church of today, is full of clerics who are actually Modernists, doing tremendous damage to the Church, to society, and to all Western Civilization.
Disrespect and derision of the hierarchy of the Church is a sign of modernism. Read this from Pius X’s “Pascendi Dominici Gregis”: “Finally, the Modernists try in every way to diminish and weaken the authority of the ecclesiastical magisterium itself by sacrilegiously falsifying its origin, character, and rights, and by freely repeating the calumnies of its adversaries” (42). This sounds like most of the commentariat here.
Just for the record, I wrote the comment from “Pius X”. Not sure why my name wasn’t shown.
The Roman Catholic Church is not a tiny, local church, of 25 members, all people of the same language, background and ethnicity– who can easily get together and make decisions on things, for their group. Our Church is ancient, worldwide, with many different ethnic groups, languages, customs, traditions, and many different religious orders. We even have St. Mother Teresa’s nuns, of India, with their unique religious habits and Indian customs. They love the old Tridentine Latin Mass! We have 23 Eastern Rite Catholic churches. We also have many good Catholics who prefer the old Latin Tridentine Mass. And we have the Dominican Rite Latin Mass, and other Masses. All are good. Everyone needs respect for these excellent forms of the Mass. Not all popes are good. A few have been bad, and some have led terribly sinful lives! I refuse to worship bad popes as gods, as jon does. Get rid of Paglia, Rupnik, Martin, Hollerich, (and Bergoglio), all the bad Jesuits, the bad German bishops, the false, heretical Synods, the new, blasphemous, pagan Pachamama Mass and Missal and Idols, right now! A horror, before Almighty God! Looking forward to a new and excellent Pope, who truly loves, truly respects, and enthusiastically promotes the true Catholic Faith and Morals, and restores our Church in Christ! And give filthy Theodore McCarrick a big kick in the kazoo– he has another child sex abuse victim in Wisconsin, with a court case!
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Blessed Virgin Mary, pray for us sinners.
Spreading falsehoods about the Pope as “Reply” has done there is wrong, unjust, sinful. Don’t do that folks.
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You confuse the Church’s hierarchy with God, and falsely worship them as gods. To you– they can do no wrong. Childish thinking.
Wrong is “Reply.” No one is “confusing the Church’s hierarchy with God. That’s a straw-man argument. That is not what Pope Pius X meant in his “Paschendi Dominici gregis.” The Church’s Magisterium is owed obedience and respect, not calumnies. These “traditionalist” communities must render obedience to the Pope and the rest of the Magisterium.
No, you’ve got that backwards. The current pope needs respect for Catholic Tradition. Instead of Synod listening sessions with gays leading the immoral gay lifestyle, the Pope needs to listen to all devout, practicing Catholics– including those who attend the Latin Tridentine Mass. Pope St. Pius X, who vigorously defended the True Faith, was a devout Catholic, and a saint.
Pope Francis definitely respects Catholic tradition. Stop persecuting our Pope.
And Pope Francis is true to Pope Pius X. St. Pope Pius X. intercede for Pope Francis. Intercede also for his enemies that they will come to understand the true Faith.
I just looked, and found many books on Pope St. Pius X and his works, on Amazon. One of them, which costs just $10, contains his two papal encyclicals, “Pascendi Dominici Gregis: On the Doctrine of the Modernists,” and “Lamentabili sane: Syllabus Containing the Errors of the Modernists,” plus the “Oath Against Modernism.”
Those are all available online.
There is a book by Tan Books called A Catechism on Modernism. It also is online in whole or in parts.
God does not want you spending your life trying to change someone who isn’t going to change,
If you are not sacramentally wed to someone, you do not need to waste your time on them.
Tell them once. Then move on. “Shake the dust from your feet.”
The Christians job is not to impose their beliefs and values on other people. It is to let them know that salvation exists, that morality exists.
If someone is listening and wants instruction instruct. Otherwise, keep looking for the ripe harvest.
Often it seems parishes are just sunday social clubs, not communities of true faith.