Name of Church TLM North County/ Mission San Antonio de Pala
Address San Juan Diego Center, 11812 Pala Mission Road, San Diego, CA 92058
Email tlmnorthcounty@oceanside4christ.com
Website www.tlmnorthcountysd.com
Mass times Sunday, 8 a.m. Latin Tridentine Low Mass celebrated with approval from the Bishop of San Diego, Cardinal Robert McElroy, and using the Roman Missal of 1962.
Confessions Sundays, 6:45 – 7:45 a.m.
Names of priests/Homilies Norbertine Father Peter Adrian Miller of St. Michael’s Abbey of Silverado. Fr. Peter is a good homilist and reverent celebrant of the traditional liturgy.
Music TLM Society schola
Devotions, Special Events and Activities Rosary at 7:30 a.m. Sundays before mass, Divine Mercy chaplet follows the Sunday Mass; visit the website for upcoming special events. Past events have included retreats, BBQs and baseball nights. There is also a TLM Food Share for parishioners in need.
Fellow parishioners The TLM North County was created in 2021 formed from two diocesan Latin mass communities at St. Mary’s in Escondido and St. Margaret’s in Oceanside after a motu proprio was implemented by Bishop McElroy removing Latin masses from diocesan parishes (the other approved Latin mass in the diocese is at St. Anne’s Parish and is offered by priests of the Fraternity of St. Peter.)
Parking There is a large lot by the San Juan Diego Center.
Additional observations The Pala Mission is a sub-mission of Mission San Luis Rey, located 23 miles inland from Oceanside, and was founded by Father Antonio Peyri in 1816. It still serves the Indian population of the region. Its current pastor, Fr. Gerardo, has welcomed the community and its efforts to beautify the sanctuary; a new high altar, for example, is being built by community members using artwork created by the Norbertine Sisters in Tehachapi.
TLM community, Pala Mission, exterior
The Pala Mission is a sub-mission of Mission San Luis Rey in Oceanside. It still serves the Indian population of the region.
Eventually the TLM is supposed to be phased out. Allowing it to be celebrated in places like this is only a temporary accommodation until TLM adherents either die off or people can be educated about the church’s liturgical reforms and the new Mass as the normative and preferred liturgical expression of the Roman Rite.
Welll said, comrade! We need reeducation camps with loud speakers blaring On Eagle’s Wings 24/7! Bugnini santo subito!
The ancient, 1500+ years old Traditional Latin Tridentine Mass and its Missal, will forever be in history books, of both the Catholic Church and the secular world. The current modern era is also not very religious, and it rejects God, traditional, authentic Catholic teaching, the Holy Bible, and Christian Moraliry. They are on the path opposite of Christ– and opposite of Eternal Life with Him in Heaven. Christ is ancient, His teachings are Eternal, and are not worldly at all. They are the soul’s only pathway to Heaven. 2,000 years from now, Catholic religious scholars, and secular, worldly scholars, will know all about the holy, excellent Latin Tridentine Mass– and a future pope may love it– and want it, for his faithful Catholics– it is exact, excellent, and deeply holy. All holy religious liturgical rites are ancient– the Jews have even more ancient religious rites than the Christians, going back thousands of years. And the Holy Bible is ancient, too.
They are educated , that is why they prefer the TLM , that v2 is still trying to be sold tells how bad it was and is , don’t ignore the Ruthenian option .The NO numbers are cratering , how many closed church’s and bankruptcies can the church survive ?, the contempt and ire toward traditional religious and laity is cruel and shows the the lack of charity and the desperation to force the NO rather then persuade us that we should accept that form that has shown to be wanting in so may ways..
I was a Latin Mass attendee at St. Margaret’s. I went to Pala a few times and the community has done a tremendous job of continuing the TLM. I think, however, pushing the Latin Mass “out of churches” was a vindictive act by PF. And Bishop McElroy, in adhering so closely to PF’s dictate, earned him the “red hat”. Is this not the “clericalism” that PR so strongly rejects??
It’s not clericalism to implement Vatican II’s liturgical reforms. It’s fidelity to the Council and to the Missal of Paul VI.
No, the post-Conciliar Church had no “fidelity” to liturgical concepts laid out in the document, “Sacrosanctum Concilium” of Vatican II. None. For one thing, it was recommended to retain the use of Latin. Read the document and you will see the whole thing. You know– God is Eternal. He is ancient, changeless, eternal, timeless, and perfect. God has no human historical eras, no “seasons,” no “trends,” no fads nor fancies, no silly “changes.” God is perfect– no need, no reason for “change.” God is always, eternally the same. And He is not “modern.”
You should read the document.
I read it decades ago. The ideas of the document, “Sacrosanctum Concilium,” were never implemented, liturgically. Everyone knows that.
What ever happened to the Bible Services?
Strange. Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis all thought the new Mass was a beautiful fruit of Vatican II.
“until they die off”?
The only group I see “dying off” are the “progressive” clergy and pant-suited nuns who are mentally stuck in 1968 and just can’t grasp that they’re increasingly irrelevant and anachronistic. The resurgence of Tradition is wholly driven by the young and the fertile.
Do you say the same for the Masses of the Ordinariate?
I don’t attend the TLM, but look at the numbers of young people attending. You and I will die first.
It’s a falsehood that the TLM is a huge attraction for the young. In some churches, yes, you see young people and their families attending the TLM. But what is deliberately not stated is that those TLM attendees often drive an hour or more to go to that Mass, passing dozens of Novus Ordo parishes along the way. The young are not flocking to the TLM. If TLMs were as numerous in a community as Novus Ordo parishes are, the TLM churches would be mostly empty. There is not a large demand among the young for the TLM.
Young Catholics don’t want silly Novus Ordo Masses, but they mostly don’t want TLMs either. They want reverent Novus Ordo Masses that blend liturgical tradition with the New Mass. That’s the future of the Roman Catholic Church, as Pope Francis has decreed in Traditionis Custodes and in Desiderio Desideravi.
The future of the Catholic Church is just Christ. And authentic worship of Him. Not the fraudulent, shallow, worldly, ego-centric, irreligious, rebellious, immoral, misguided “me-generation” worship of itself. This current, worldly, “me-generation,” modernist papacy, is a mere blip in history. Modernism is superficial, immature, rebellious “me-oriented,” and rejects Christ and His true teachings, the Bible, and Christian Morality. All that is false, eventually dies. Modernism is false, very worldly, irreligious, basically anti-Christian, basically immoral, basically ego-centric– and unnatural, too– against God-created Nature– and crooked, corrupt, and filthy, not straight, truthful, righteous, right-with-God, whole and pure. Look at its lies about the deviant, intrinsically disordered LGBTs. They want to deny God’s Truth.– And the current, foolish fads and trends of Modernism will eventually be forgotten, discarded– and will die. Christ is Eternal, indestructible, changeless, and true worship of God is timeless, centered only on God, with true respect and awe-inspired reverence of Him. We are nothing but tiny clay vessels, made of dust of the earth, created to be full of His awesome, Divine, pure, holy Light, Truth, Love, and Glory. It is all His. Many young people today, hunger for God’s Truth– not the cheap, destructive lies they are fed and cheated with, by shallow, disordered, rebellious, corrupt, sinful, modern, liberal leftist, Godless, socialistic and Marxist “me-generationers,” currently in power.
Why are not all NO masses reverent ?, why are there silly NO’s at all ?
So no High Holy Mass? I live in Murrieta and within minutes is the Holy Martyrs Ordinariate parish, been there twice, would not recommend it! I would rather travel where there is a Traditional Latin Holy Mass is available! Good to know and will visit! Would be nice if the Holy Mass was celebrated at All Historic Missions and Mausoleums! Like once before at Holy Cross in San Diego!
I did some research. This group has its own bylaws to constitute them as a group. They are a liturgical separatist group acting as a quasi-parish. They are in communion with the Catholic Church in name only. They should be attending Mass at their local parish instead of driving all the way out to this isolated location — it’s in the boonies, I’ve been there — for their beloved Latin Mass. This is exactly the sort of thing that Pope Francis wants to end by suppressing the TLM.
I think McElroy should shut it down. Let these Catholics attend a normal parish and a normal Mass.
You might consider changing your name to “They…” as you repeat it often enough. Or, I think…”
You should be more charitable. You should pray for them. You should visit them and reason with them. I think you should call McElroy to tell him all about it.
It is the Norbertines. They are a Catholic religious order. They are in union with the Catholic Church.
“I think McElroy should shut it down.” Nope. Let’s face it. The honest truth is, that LGBT- promoting McElroy and Jesuit Fr. Martin are heretical Catholic clerics, who ought to be excommunicated. That’s the truth. The ancient, 1500+ years-old, traditional Tridentine Latin Mass, is a theologically-perfected Catholic Mass. Whether you personally like it or not—- that’s the truth. King Henry VIII turned around and lied, too, and turned against the Catholic Mass and Catholic Truth, for his personal agenda.
And he was wrong. Just like McElroy and Martin– preaching half-truths about gay sex, lies, heresy. Such clerics do not like the Tridentine Latin Mass, because it very clearly presents Catholic teaching and theological truths, right in front of their faces. Since mankind has existed on earth, since the time of Adam and Eve– only a small handful of honest people can be found on earth, in every single generation– and that handful are truly Christian Catholics, and they are always the ones who sustain the Church. The true Church has always been small. Doesn’t matter what Mass you attend– the true believers are always just a few, with a few Saints, too!– no matter what historical era you are in. In our era, in just recent times, we have a few outstanding, beautiful, holy Saints and Blesseds. Blessed Carlo Acutis (1991-2006) was an Italian, Jesuit-educated boy, who attended a good Novus Ordo Mass, offered at his parish church. He especially adored Christ in the Holy Eucharist, and tried to evangelize, and help his family and friends know the Catholic Faith, and come closer to Christ.
This is another example of rich, privileged, white colonization of indigenous peoples. The natives had a church and community center that was serving them and their needs. Now whites come and change the church to suit their preferred way of ritualizing. Apartheid religious practices should not be tolerated.
Are you saying Cardinal McElroy is a White supremacist?
This is virtually the same Mass celebrated when Saint Junipero Serra and the Franciscans brought the liberating news of Christ to the indigenous people. This continues to be a mission church.
The Indians are still there in the regular Mission mate
Yikes. Where does this come from anyway?
Been away a bit and this crud still gets posted and left up.
This is nothing but a Trad website in disguise.
“This is nothing but a Trad website in disguise.” May I ask, what is a Trad website? For that matter what is a Trad? I have never been to a TLM but I do think Scripture and Tradition are the two foundations of the Catholic faith. Does that make me a Trad? And since I contribute here, does that make this a Trad website? If so, what is the disguise that you have so effectively penetrated?
Dan,
Proof this a Trad website:
People post things as if God is God and we are not. Many posters here think sex belongs in marriage. Most posters don’t indicate their preferred pronouns. (I identify as sarcastic; my pronouns are har/har.) Many on this site prefer Saint Paul to James Martin. If this weren’t a Trad website, jon wouldn’t have to write so much. I could go on and on, but I think even you Traddies (and any others who may read or post here) may be smart enough to understand what I’m saying, even if you didn’t understand the guy in “disguise.” (I think he and har may have both graduated from Smarturthan U. together.)
Bwaaa ha ha.
Ask yourself why any story that includes any reference to a active TLM results in the first post from some scold?
Well?
Maybe because they care.
She’s not a scold. She’s cautioning against liturgical idolatry. And I agree with her. Anyone who drives past dozens of perfectly fine novus ordo parishes to attend a TLM attended by a tiny group of people in the middle of nowhere has made an idol out of the TLM.
Not necessarily. Possibly.
“…has made an idol out of the TLM.” I didn’t know you had a window into the souls of these people.
people bent outta shape
over TLM Mass can go down
the street to the Pala Casino.
Ya might hit the jackpot.