Name of Church Church of the Visitacion
Address 655 Sunnydale Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94134
Phone number (415) 494-5517
Mass times Saturday vigil 4 p.m.; Sunday 9:30 a.m.; 10:30 a.m. (Spanish); noon; 5 p.m. (Vietnamese). Monday through Friday, 7 a.m. Wednesday, 5:30 p.m. Saturday, 7:30 a.m. First Fridays, 7 p.m. (Latin Tridentine). Masses are ad orientem; there is an altar rail, with many communicants receiving kneeling and on the tongue.
Confessions Saturday, 3-3:45 p.m. and by appointment.
Names of priests Fr. Thuan Van Hoang, pastor. Fr. Hoang was born in Saigon in 1956, and entered the seminary at age 12. The Vietnam War and communist takeover of his country interrupted his studies for the priesthood, so he earned a living as a tricycle driver. He had a harrowing escape from Vietnam on a fishing boat (threats from the weather, of capture, robbery by pirates), and made his way to the U.S. He became a U.S. citizen and was ordained a priest in 1997. He earned a JCL and works in the marriage tribunal, and is founder of the Blind Vietnamese Children Foundation.
School Yes, K-8.
Special parish groups Mother’s Club, Fil-Am Association, Homebound Ministry, Knights of Columbus, Legion of Mary, Over 55 Club.
Fellow parishioners It began as an Irish and Italian community, but today is also home to many black, Asian and Hispanic Catholics.
Parking Parking in lots beside the church.
Additional observations The Church of the Visitacion is a parish of the Archdiocese of San Francisco. It was established in 1907; the current church was constructed in 1951-52. The church also oversees Our Lady of Guadalupe Mission in Brisbane. It is a very traditional, pious community.
Why are Cordelione and Gomez making public statements about the attack on Paul Pelosi? Why does he matter more than any other person who suffers an attack? I hate our bishops more and more.
Paul Pelosi is the husband of Nancy Pelosi, a very public figure. Cordileone is her bishop and is being pastoral, just as he should be.
I can’t believe how dumb the bishops are to fall for this.
Mr. Pelosi does not matter more than any other person. Yet, he is a public figure and much news coverage has been given to the attack on him. That’s likely why the bishops are addressing it. They condemned the attack and offered prayers for Mr. Pelosi. I encourage you not to hate anyone. Our Lord Jesus teaches us to love, even our enemies, not to hate them. Might we join them in praying for Mr. and Mrs. Pelosi, including their conversion of heart and mind? And, I’m not clear about how that is related to Church of the Visitacion.
Paul Pelosi is the husband of Rep. Nancy Pelosi. As Speaker of the House, Nancy is next in line to the Presidency, after the President and Vice-President– a very serious role. Paul Pelosi’s attacker sought to murder him, according to police reports. Our elected political leaders and their families need respect– and safety. The Pelosi home has been repeatedly hit by vandals, over the years. Whether or not you agree with a political leader– you need good manners towards them, always. Our country badly needs good manners and good morals, instilled in every citizen, from childhood– and a full return to Christian values.
Those bishops, and Fr. James Martin, have been duped by political motivations and by a desire to appear compassionate. They called for prayers before they knew all the facts. As the facts are now coming out, things don’t add up about the so-called “attack” on Paul Pelosi. I didn’t pray for Paul, and I won’t. If this turns out to be a hoax, then shame on the bishops for being rash.
Use your head. Not a hoax. Paul Pelosi was severely injured. He needs prayers.
This morning it’s been comical to read and watch reports about the SFPD and the media walking back earlier claims that there was a third person in the Pelosi house. They are trying to manage the narrative. If an unknown third person didn’t let officers into the home, then why did they initially say that’s what happened? How can police officers get such a big thing wrong? They are trying to manage the narrative to favor Democrats and protect the Pelosis from the obvious staged stunt they tried to pull. All Democrats do is lie.
“Comical narrative?” Are you a psychological “nutcase,” or something– unable to feel empathy for a poor human being, a victim of attemptrd murder, who is in the hospital, with very serious injuries? This is a horrific criminal case of attempted murder! It does not matter who the victim is, nor if you like or dislike, agree/disagree with the victim. And the murderer was looking for Paul Pelosi’s wife, Nancy! Such an evil, ignorant, very cruel comment should not be printed on a Catholic website.
The violent, would-be murderer in the Pelosi home, is an illegal alien from Canada, and has a long, previous criminal history. San Francisco’s horrific, unsafe “sanctuary city for illegal aliens” designation should be against the law. “San Fran-Sicko” ought to be sued and face heavy penalties, for this evil designation!
Are there really that many blind Vietnamese children that they need a foundation for that?
Why are you so hateful towards poor, suffering little blind children– many orphaned– in a poverty-stricken, war-torn, Communist country? Many of the Vietnamese have been deeply traumatized and scarred for life, due to the terrible war, and Communist takeover of their country. Christians are heavily oersecuted in Vietnam, just like in China. Where are your Catholic beliefs and good Christian values?
Maybe he/she/they/ze just didn’t know. I don’t know any blind people here. I don’t see any blind people in my locale either. Why do you assume that what was probably an honest and innocent question was scornful and reveals a lack of Christian charity?
No excuses. Compassion towards all is Christ’s teaching– and a necessity– whether you know about someone’s disability or not. This is a Catholic website.
There are also many thousands of children, and people of all ages, suffering due to the wars in Ukraine, Afghanistan, and other countries. They all need our loving help and prayers. Today at Mass, there were two elderly parishioners on walkers, with Guide Dogs. May God specially bless all the handicapped, disabled, sick, dying, and all the mistreated, persecuted, and abused, among us.
The elderly people at Mass who were on walkers with Guide Dogs, were blind. The Guide Dogs are always especially well-behaved, in church. Very inspiring!
There are around 900,000 blind people in Vietnam, many of them are children, due to malnutrition, premature births and other issues occurring during childhood.
Yes, an estimated 23,000 https://vnm.orbis.org/en/blindness-in-vietnam
What an awesome parish!! Thanks for the story!
The church still has the high altar and communion rail yet they put the Novus Ordo dinner table right smack in the middle of the sanctuary and no TLM? As far as Paul Pelosi goes, I cannot wait until they blame Trump and the GOP for this freak who attacked Paul Pelosi, Biden already is blaming Republicans for this attack, this from a man who does not even know where he is half the time, makes up stories about his life and gets lost on stage at every event he goes too.
Your Majesty, you should be careful about calling an altar where bread and wine are changed into the precious Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ a “dinner table.” What do you think He thinks when you refer to a place where His sacrifice is commemorated in such a disparaging manner?
Do you think virtually all Masses in the past half century have been invalid?
Honesty is pre-Vatican II.
The parish in the story offers reverent Masses, even ad orientem. Are you the guy who walks into a floral shop, looks around and then “breaks wind” so you’ll have something to complain about?
Maybe being an emperor has caused you to think too much of your own opinions and, as you know, your Empire didn’t last (unlike the Church).
The Last Supper, the first Mass, was celebrated on a dinner table. For decades the first Christians celebrated Eucharist on dinner tables.
tables, Would the Emperor above call an altar where the TLM was celebrated an altar or a “dinner table?”
Also, they were laying on the floor for the first Mass. Should we do the same?
Does he (or do you) think that almost all Masses in the past century have been invalid?
Why dis a good church and the people there?
Romulus– the priest loves the old Latin Mass and says it regularly. Call them and find out the schedule.
Some young people of today may not know, the “table” style altar in a Catholic church, was brought into our churches for use in the New Mass (Novus Ordo) of 1969, so that the priest may turn around to face the congregation, as Protestant ministers do, at their “table” style altars. Of course, in the Protestant services of the “Last Supper,” they only view it as a memorial of Christ’s Last Supper, nothing else, and do not have these services often. When they first brought the new, heavy, “table”-style altar into our church in 1969, and placed it in front of the beautiful, marble High Altar– everyone was shocked. And the text for the New Mass was an even worse shock. New, much longer priest’s vestments, too– strangely resembling, perhaps, a Protestant minister’s “robes.” I was part of a group of ladies who cleaned the church, took care of altar linens, and changed the Tabernacle curtain for the Church seasons and special feasts– and also, changed the outfits on the Infant Jesus of Prague statue– and much more! It was a lot harder to clean the High Altar and area around it, change the Tabernacle curtains, and much more– when we had to work around the heavy, new “table”-style altar! Not much room.
Our new “table”-style altar, didn’t look like a table, with four legs. It was not modernistic in design. It was like an ornately-carved, heavy white block, with religious designs delicately carved all over the sides, and altar linens were hung all over it.
Nothing wrong other than RA use of the profane word table instead of altar.
Canon 315. It is more in keeping with the meaning of the sign that the tabernacle in which the Most Holy Eucharist is reserved not be on an altar on which Mass is celebrated. Consequently, it is preferable that the tabernacle be located, according to the judgment of the Diocesan Bishop,
a. either in the sanctuary, apart from the altar of celebration, in a form and place more appropriate, not excluding on an old altar no longer used for celebration;
The name, “table altar,” is commonly used, to describe an altar used for the Vatican II Mass. In some Catholic churches, the High Altar is also still in use, for the old Latin Mass.
No. It is called an altar. If you hear the word table it is a non-Catholic or table altar is probably a schismatic or someone influenced by them.
Remember there are people who call themselves Catholic that are not part of the Catholic Church.
There used to be over 200 independent “Catholic sacramental communities” that are not a part of the Catholic Church.
It also can be used by someone who is arrogant and just does not like the Church.
No. The name, “table altar” is used to denote the specific, new type of altar used in the Vatican II Msss, as distinguished from the typical High Altar used in the pre-Conciliar, old Latin Mass. The term “table altar” is not derogatory. Often, you will see these “table altars” placed in front of a traditional High Altar in a Catholic Church. A “retrofit” for the New Mass.
I gave you a thumbs up, but do not agree with everything you wrote. I understand your anger about many beautiful Catholic churches being stripped over the years for no good reasons. Nevertheless, it is much more polite and conducive to changing people’s minds to call the newer altars movable or portable than “dinner tables”.
As far as the Pelosi incident, Rand Paul, ever so classy, got it right when he said no one deserves to be attacked, and he wishes Paul Pelosi a fast healing, even though one of Pelosi’s daughters was not so kindly to him when he was attacked.
All the facts are unknown yet.
In trying to condense my post to fit in the space I am allowed, my last sentence did not make much sense. I should have written. “All the facts have not come out yet”, or “The facts are not all known yet.
Do they change the green backsplash and carpet when it’s not Ordinary Time?
backsplash, Yes, they change the carpet and repaint every time a liturgical season changes. I’m floored you’d even question that.
Feel free to contribute to help cover the cost.
For me, Ad orientem Novus Ordo / Ordinary Form mass is a great experience.
All masses at San Secondo d’Asti in Ontario, California are Ad orientem on a high Altar.
All masses are overflowing with parishioners.
The 11:00am Sunday mass at St. Joseph in Pomona, California is Ad orientem.
All masses at Holy Innocents in Long Beach, California are Ad orientem.
*** It is not that Mr. Pelosi is more important than others, but Mr. Paul Polisi is a High-Profile person and Catholic. So, it is proper for Bishops or others to comment on his being attacked.
I also Condemn the attack on Mr. Paul Pelosi. I would have arrested and booked attacker, David DePape, for everything his he is charged with.
Nothing in San Francisco is worth driving to, in my opinion. It’s worth leaving that downward-spiraling and unsafe city.
Many, many years ago I used to love walking along the shorefront, Pier 39, North Beach, the Golden Gate Bridge, taking the cable car, enjoying all that San Francisco had to offer. Now it’s a crime-ridden, trash-infested dump with lowlifes everywhere. Decades of Democrat rule have wrought this. The point of no return was the July 2015 murder of the beautiful Kathryn Steinle. Since then, it’s like SF has turned into a Third-World country.
And you minister to them, because you are a Christian, right?
Too much on this thread is non-Catholic and non-American. God is love. We have two great commandments – to love God and to love others as we love God. That is the essence of Christianity on a tee shirt if you will. The attack on Mr. Pelosi was because someone wanted to kill his wife, the Speaker of the House. It makes no difference if one agrees with her politics or not, brutality against public officials and their families is not acceptable. There have been over 9,000 threats to members of Congress this year, on both sides of the aisle. Not acceptable. Many Protestant denominations believe that their consecration of bread and wine is the true body and blood of Christ. Yes, some think of it as a remembrance, but many hold communion in the same light as we do. Much of what is written on this thread comes close to hate mail. As Christians, we must stop the hate, one person at a time. Let’s start with ourselves.
Bob One, I think the point was they don’t speak out about when just “normal” people get hurt.
Although Archbishop Cordileone used to go and pray at the sites of a murder.
If I was the bishops I would be having rotating parish 40 hour devotions to end violence (including abortion) and to convert all sinners. And to pray for all souls of the departed.
There is a plenary indulgence in November for visiting a cemetery and praying for the souls of those buried there.
I would like to see more reminders of things like that.
But people also have to make the effort.
Christ’s Love is a great gift, sadly not understood in the dark, Godless secular world– especially, today. To live in His Divine Love requires lots of good spiritual training and discipline. One must always carefully prepare to receive Him in the Eucharist at Mass. Christ’s Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist is a true and objective reality, not a subjective, spiritual or emotional experience of the believer. It is a reality whether you believe it or not. The power to confect the Sacraments is transmitted all through the ages, through the direct line of Apostolic Succession, from Christ and His Apostles, carried uniquely in the Roman Catholic Church. The Sacraments are unseen in this world– but are very powerful, carrying the unseen, very holy, Life-Giving Christ, with Sanctifying Grace– directly from Christ in Heaven. “An outward sign of an inward grace.” Only the Catholic Church and those churches in communion with Rome, are a part of this direct line of Apostolic Succession, and thus have the power in their priests to confect the Sacraments. Our Church has always taught the dogma of Transubstantiation. Some Protestant churches (Anglican) have a historical connection to the Catholic Church and her line of Apostolic Succession, but Anglicans and other “orthodox” Protestants do not accept the dogma of Transubstantiation. They focus more on the believer, and his religious experience, at a Eucharistic or Last Supper service. A Protestant minister of a church with no connection to the line of Apostolic Succession, cannot possibly confect the Sacraments. If he says his Eucharist is the “Body and Blood of Christ”— he is only speaking in terms of expressing his own subjective spiritual experience, feeling close to Our Lord. It is not the objective reality of Transubstantiation, and the Real Presence of Christ, in the Eucharist. The Protestant minister is just conducting a meaningful worship service, recalling the events of the Last Supper, with religious devotion.
ask yourself this question:
Can you VOTE your way out of Clown World ???