The following email was forwarded on September 7 to Cal Catholic by a parish pro-life coordinator in the Los Angeles archdiocese. The coordinator noted, “Sr. Simone will be in LA on Sept 13 – scroll down to #3. The first time it was announced Justice & Peace had Sister Simone’s quotes about the Bishops opposed to Paul Ryan. I forwarded links to 3 Bishops and the Archdiocese deleted the lies.”
From: Justice and Peace News Blast [mailto:jpnewsblast-submissions@la-archdiocese.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Justice and Peace Newsblast~~ September 6, 2012
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3. Driving for Faith, Family and Fairness~~ Sr. Simone Campbell SSS and Sr. Diane Donoghue, SSS~~ September 13, 2012
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Come and meet and hear from two of the Sisters who were on the Nuns on the Bus, Sr. Diane Donoghue and Sr. Simone Campbell, organized by Sr. Simon, Executive Director of NETWORK, National Catholic Social Justice Lobby.
DATE: Thursday, September 13, 2012
TIME: 7p.m.
Location: Iman Cultural Center, 3376 Motor Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90034. Mark your calendar and be sure to be there.
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4. Training Days for to promote passing Prop 34~~ September 15 and 22nd
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Archbishop José Gomez and the Catholic Bishops of California have decided to promote passing Proposition 34 which is on the ballot in November. Prop 34 is the initiative that will replace the death penalty in California with life in prison without the possibility of parole. The bishops see this as an important moral and life issue.
In the Archdiocese of Los Angeles the Offices of Justice and Peace, Restorative Justice, and Respect Life are working together to promote life issues, and coordinate efforts to pass Prop 34. Parishes are asked that RESPECT LIFE SUNDAY (October 7) be used to join in kicking off these efforts through homilies, bulletin and pulpit announcements, voter registration, voter education sessions, and similar efforts throughout October.
To prepare parishes to coordinate these efforts, we have organized several training sessions for two Saturdays this month in different locations to make it convenient for people. We would like to ask for two people designated from each parish to be trained – please designate two representatives from your parish to attend (they are asked to attend only ONE of any of these sessions).
Location Dates/Times
Our Lady of Angels Region St. Jerome Church Hall September 15th & 22
San Fernando Region St. John Baptist de la Salle Parish Hall September 15th ONLY
San Gabriel Region St. Philip the Apostle Church Hall September 15th & 22nd
San Pedro Region St. Cyprian Church
Hall September 15th & 22nd
Santa Barbara Region Our Lady of Sorrows Church Hall September 15th & 22nd
Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. We look forward to working with you and with the California Bishops to end the death penalty in California. If you wish to participate in the training, please RSVP contact Sr. Gail Young at 213-637-7690 or by email SrGYoung@la-archdiocese.org
More information:
https://old.usccb.org/deathpenalty/
https://catholicsmobilizing.org/
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9. AN EVENING OF DIALOGUE ON THE DEATH PENALTY
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AN EVENING OF DIALOGUE ON THE DEATH PENALTY
Monday, October 8, 2012
7 pm
Holy Family Parish Hall
1501 Fremont Avenue, South Pasadena
Panelists will include:
Jeanne Woodford, former director of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation who served as San Quentin warden and oversaw four executions; now executive director of Death Penalty Focus.
Franky Carrillo, a student at Loyola Marymount University who was convicted of murder at age 16 and was found innocent after 20 years in prison.
Fr. Chris Ponnet, pastor of St. Camillus at LAC+USC Medical Center, regional coordinator of Pax Christi USA, and Death Penalty Focus board member.
Jane O’Brien Argento
Sorry but I don’t get the point of this article.
George Soros, a multi-billionaire atheist, supports abortion, homosexual ‘marriage’, contraception and population control. George Soros lavishly supports organizations that do his bidding. He opposes the efforts of the Catholic Church at every turn.
George Soros funds “Faith in Public Life” and “Center for American Progress.”
George Soros funded this latest weird anomaly, of Catholic religious sisters, willing to do his bidding, riding his colorful bus.
Trained to quack.
I am frustrated beyond words. I have had to stand on the sidewalk outside of church to collect signatures to overturn our gay-friendly school curriculum, for parental notification for minors seeking abortion, to hand out flyers on Church teaching on abortion, infanticide, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage. I am having trouble pulling together a Rosary crusade to pray for our country this election because it can’t look too “political”. But the death penalty or immigration? Bring it on! What about the intrinsic evils? Too much heat in that kitchen for our shepherds, apparently. Grrrr. . . I need, we need, to pray more for our politically-correct, blinders on, timid bishops. St. Catherine of Sienna, Pray for me! Pray for us!
More Acts of the Apostasy
National Catholic (Distorter) Reporter
What It’s Like To Be a Nun On the Bus by Mary Ann Mc Givern 9-10-12
“A woman I’ve known for many years told me a story I had never heard before. When she was a young mother, she was leafleting at a center that provided abortions. An older woman came up to her, took a leaflet and stood waiting to talk. She said during the Depression, she was
living with her husband’s family and got pregnant. Her mother-in-law insisted she get an abortion because the family had no money for food. My friend said she learned two things: that women don’t forget the suffering of abortion and that poverty causes abortion.”
This is more evidence of the distortion or diabolically disoriented use of the words social justice. It is *spiritual poverty* that causes abortion. Many people grow up poor with little food. The fifth Commandment is Thou Shalt Not Kill. You do not murder your own flesh and blood and then scapegoat the blame on poverty. My own dear mother used to say, “Simply add more water to that pot of soup cooking on the stove.”
Could you have ever imagined Mother Teresa touring Calcutta in that Hollywood tricked out van wearing her pearls to greet the starving? Why don’t they just buy some tee shirts with the words, “LOOK AT ME!,” printed on them. Make no mistake when it comes to understanding the distortions of these misguided women…Matthew 10:28 “And fear not them that can kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul; but fear rather him who is able to destroy both body and soul.” When it comes to faithfully adhering to the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church, there are none on this bus.
Catherine, you weren’t born yesterday. You surely know that poverty (physical and spiritual) is a leading cause of abortion. In fighting poverty and the causes of poverty, religious sisters are fighting abortion. It is amazing that some pro-life people denigrate unwed moms and their children and feel if they are poor it is their own fault. People who are truly pro-life support the fight against poverty which is a fight for life. California bishops are supporting Sister Simone because she is speaking the truth. I am sure that most of the 1% are not too happy with Sister and what she is saying.
Mark, in a truly Christian family all children are welcome. I never heard of any pro life person denigrate a single mom. Most are willing to help them find what they need. It is the abortion supporters who say that that baby is unwanted and a burden on society. It is abortion supporters who pass out contraceptives and put their abortion clinics in poor minority neighborhoods. Yes, some people get upset with those who sleep around and produce children when there is not a marriage. Others get upset when abortion is the contraceptive of a woman. Are these religious sisters fighting poverty or supporting poverty. They are definitely not fighting abortion. The choice to kill is only a polite way to say your baby is not welcome.
This group-NETWORK is a lobbying organization of which Sister Simone Campbell is the executive director. They lobby on these social justice issues: economic issues such as poverty, housing, federal budget; immigration reform; health care; peace issues; ecology; treatment of ex-offenders. They do not lobby on these social justice issues: defense of traditional marriage, life of unborn, stem cell research, euthanasia; religious freedom.
MarkfromPa, It is well known that homosexual rights activists always work in tandem with other dissenters. Birds of a disobedient feather often unite in their disobedience together.
Physical poverty is not an excuse to kill children and physical poverty is not a leading cause of abortion.
The leading cause of abortion is a lost society swept up in the diabolical disorientation of unbridled immorality and this has nothing to do with $$. This is a turning away from God.
Your excuses for murder and mortal sin are tied in with the homosexual Culture of Death.
Catherine, I didn’t say is was an excuse. I am not excusing it. I am just saying that these sisters in fighting poverty are also helping to prevent abortions. I am not excusing murder and its other forms such as abortion, euthanasia and the death penalty.
Justice for the unborn baby and death penalty for the rapist. Three cheers for” Restorative Justice,”as properly defined.
Remember, Abortion takes the life of the incident. The death penalty does not.
What can I say but I am disgusted!
Pray for all US Bishops that they stop the mortal sins of SCANDALS within their own Diocese by:
1) Publically excommunicating all those who cause Scandal, if persons do not repent and do not publically acknowledge their scandal so additional Souls will not be lost by their evil example.
2) Not allowing heretics and/or schismatics to speak on any Church property.
3) Safeguarding the name “Catholic” by insisting that all Colleges, Universities, Hospitals, High Schools, and organizations that advertise themselves as Catholic adhere to Church teaching in entirety as stated in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
AND
4) That Bishops and Priests start actively promoting the reading of the CCC by all Priests, Deacons, Nuns, all Church employees, Church volunteers, and Laity within their own Diocese;
5) fire every Church employee who advocates any deviation from the CCC;
6) remove any volunteer from service who advocates any deviation from the CCC.
To find out how you can help, go to: ” What Catholics REALLY Believe Source “, and read the answer to question #1.
AND
Report with documentation all PUBLIC violations of the CCC by Catholics to the appropriate Diocese Bishop, and if necessary to the US Papal Nuncio in Washington DC and to the Vatican.
It is past time for Bishops to purify the evil within their own Diocese in the USA.
We must do our jobs as well.
Mike,
First you would have to convert most of the California Bishops, if not all, to the true Catholic Church. That’s a big order.
Can you imagine where we would be today had the Bishops given as much attention to defeating “Intrinsic Evils” as they do to this matter of private conscience!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Fisher,
This is exactly why each of us must – – –
” To find out how you can help, go to: ” What Catholics REALLY Believe Source “, and read the answer to question #1.
AND
Report with documentation all PUBLIC violations of the CCC by Catholics to the appropriate Diocese Bishop, and if necessary to the US Papal Nuncio in Washington DC and to the Vatican. ”
A few Faithful Catholics will probably not make a difference, but many will.
Please help get out the word.
If your Diocese Bishop is doing a lousy job, we must take on the job ourselves.
Spread the word about the web site: ” What Catholics Really Believe Source” to every Catholic you know.
It includes but is not limited to information on the non-negotiables – abortion, euthanasia, embroyonic stem cell research, human cloning, and homosexual marriage.
Regarding Voting – see the answer to #13 which includes links for:
1) A statement by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict);
2) A Voting Guide for Serious Catholics;
3) Where do Candidates stand on key issues (2012 Presidential);
4) A Comparison of the 2012 Republican and Democratic Party Platforms;
5) A link to the short video “Test of Fire”.
(If you can, it would help to picket any false teachings that take place on Church property. Its time for all good Catholics to act.)
What “sisters”? All I saw were a couple of women that are very confused about God and His Holy Will. +JMJ+
Are CA Bishops starting their own Church with their own teachings ?
QUOTE – – – – CCC: ” 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty,
if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent. ” – – – – UNQUOTE.
Also on internet please see: ” Worthiness to Recieve Holy Communion, General Principles” by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) about abortion and the death penalty.
Here is info on the death penalty in CA – As of 2012 (over many years of imprisonment), there are 725 offenders (including 19 women) on California’s death row. Of those, 126 involved torture before murder, 173 killed children, and 44 murdered police officers.
In California, MURDER of the INNOCENTS through ABORTION on the other hand is estimated to be over 310,000 annually.
Where are the CA Bishops priorities ?
The non-negiotiables of – – – –
abortion, euthanasia, embroyonic stem cell research, human cloning, and homosexual marriage ?
Freedom of Religion?
or are their priorities elsewhere and why ?
C
Oscar, agree.
The death penalty can never be used for revenge. But it must be used to protect others, including but not limited to protecting prison guards and other prisoners.
First, there is no theological basis to oppose the death penalty (and war). Of course, the process leading to the death penalty needs to be as fair as possible, but society is not prohibited from taking a life for several reasons. Second, Sister Simone (nice hair, make-up and earrings, too, Sister!!) should be silenced, or simply suspended. She is clearly not much of a nun, and causes scandal with her many pro-Democratic Party/Obama statements. Stop to think — why not do the same with most of the USCCB staff, and many bishops. These guys seem to care little for salvation, but are big, big on lecturing all on social policy. Let them work for Obama at HUD, or HHS — something like that. Bring in the SSPX or other Traditional group to run the “Office of Bishops”, instead of the “asleep at the Catholic switch” clerical leaders we have now.
Bring in the SSPX to run the Office of Bishops? Those people are not really in the good graces of the Church. I don’t think the Pope would agree with letting the SSPX pick American bishops.
PA, you are bearing false witness against the SSPX by saying they are not Catholic and in “the good graces of the Church”. The Pope believes they are good Catholics which may help explain why he lifted the excommunications of each of the four bishops … actual Roman Catholic bishops, PA. They ordain priests who minister valid sacraments. So, you are really the one who is not Catholic: a. you deny Catholic dogma as you’ve described over and over, and b. you are in a state of mortal sin by persistently bearing false witness against the members of the SSPX. Bearing false witness is a mortal sin, a violation of one of the Ten Commandments. You can also deny that you are culpable, but that would be a lie also.
JLS, the Pope lifted the excommunications of the four bishops but he did not recognize them as Catholic bishops. The SSPX is still in talks with the Church. If they do decide to reunite with the Church there will probably be a group of them that forms a separate group apart from the Church. The people in this SSPX that are strongly anti-Semitic don’t really want to reunite with Rome. The SSPX has already had groups split from their group. Many of the people in these groups think they are more Catholic than the Pope.
“The Pope believes they are good Catholics…” At this point, there is insufficient evidence for that claim. At any rate, what the pope “believes” is of no consequence. What he TEACHES is what matters, and the Holy See is on record that SSPX exercises no legitimate ministry within the Church. In the Archdiocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, associating with SSPX is expressly forbidden to Catholics by their bishop.
Does anyone here still wonder why Traditionalist are ignoring their “Bishops”?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Fisher I hope can also try something new to get to the Bishops. The rest of us are trying to remain faithful but our Bishop’s sins are making it hard for us….God have mercy on us all!
JLS, you often criticize bishops and religious sisters. And you tell me I am committing a mortal sin in criticizing the SSPX? What is that all about. Just to let you know, I think we have a wonderful bishop in the Scranton Diocese and I support him. He is doing a good job and he cares about the people here. Being a bishop isn’t the easiest of jobs and I appreciate the many good bishops and the good that they do. Some of the posters here think that they know better than the bishops.
This woman is a disgrace and no religious nun. She should be disciplined rather thatn promoted.
I would rather see these same involved nuns speaking about the the culture of death in dealing with the deaths of babies in women’s wombs who hail ‘reproductive rights’ as if it’s a sacrament. Many of these nuns are pro-abortion and call it something else. I don’t know how Jesus puts up with this travesty. Abortion of children should be #1 priority…and is not. Our Catholic Church is in dire straights. We are severed from Holy Magisterium. Please pray very much.
Duh! anyone who promotes the “Party of Death, the Demoncrats” is PRO-ABORTION. This None is pro-abortion!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
I thought you said that you used to be a Democrat, Mr. Fisher. I belonged to the college Republicans when I was in college and we never referred to Democrats as “Demoncrats”. I think it is rude to demonize people who don’t agree with one’s political beliefs. It seems you do the same with your remarks about bishops. If bishops don’t agree with your views than you think they are no good. You have surely honed your talons in the political arena but I think many of the good bishops have much more knowledge when it comes to matters of faith.
I am shocked that even a bishop with an Opus Dei background cannot put an end to this sort of thing in his diocese.
Maybe I am ignorant,
How am I to take seriously anything the Church teaches? Should I go and get myself a second mormon wife?
He can’t or he won’t? I think it is more won’t. I was very disappointed in a talk he gave where he side-stepped any responsibility on promoting Church teaching in the archdiocese. I think Cardinal Mahoney hand-picked this bishop and we are suffering as Church because of it.
Mbûkû Kanyau Mbithûka,
The Catholic Church was founded by God, and it will be here until the End of Time; however there is not guarantee how large it will be.
God has often punished a wicked Nation with bad priests and bishops! Saints stick it out in spite of them!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr Fisher bravo!
It just irked me no end when at the DNC she said SHE would follow the bishops and not Ryan’s budget plan when in fact only a handful of USCCB bishops made any statement, which was not BINDING in any way. The same thing happened when another handful of bishops made a statement entitled “Always our Children”, again filled with flaws, which left an opening for dissidents to jump on and claim much more than it was. The poor sheeple fall for it every time it seems. God help her and those she influences with this warped sense of truth!
These bishops know exactly what it is they are doing.
Remember in England during the persecution, only one bishop remained royal to the mother church
So much for the new archbishop cleaning house…
I don’t get the point of this article either.
The arguments in support of the ballot measure to abolish the death penalty are exaggerated at best and, in most cases, misleading and erroneous. Proposition 34 is being funded primarily by a wealthy company out of Chicago, the ACLU, and similarly-oriented trust funds. It includes provisions that would only make our prisons less safe for both other prisoners and prison officials and significantly increase the costs to taxpayers due to life-time medical costs, the increased security required to coerce former death-row inmates to work, etc. The amount “saved” in order to help fund law enforcement is negligible and only for a short period of time. Bottom line, the “SAFE” Act is an attempt by those who are responsible for the high costs and lack of executions to now persuade voters to abandon it on those grounds. Obviously, these arguments would disappear if the death penalty was carried forth in accordance with the law. Get the facts at and supporting evidence at https://cadeathpenalty.webs.com and https://waiting4justice.org/.
Yes, without a death penalty, the lifer prisoners would have little restraint in murdering other prisoners, or guards.
Heavenly Father, keep your Holy Spirit flowing in our beloved Church. Sr. Simone is a member of our community and conversion happens in the middle, not on the periphery. Those of us still Faithful to your word need to dialogue and build up your kingdom, this is not the time to censure, chastise, and divide your flock.
All this is demonic disorientation. Because of the liberals in the Church, the laity are being fed poison. As a validly ordained priest, who has been a priest for over 30 years, I have seen things get progressively worse in the Church. When Coca Cola made newCoke, it was a disaster, so the company went back to the original receipe. For almost 50 years the Church has been suffering from the “smoke of Satan” , not my words,but the words of Pope Paul VI.. I am confident that after all is said and done, there will be the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and once again the Catholic Church will promote truth, and not the lies which are spread by the ememies of Pope Benedict XVI and the infallible magisterium he upholds.
Father Karl, I am sorry that I questioned whether you were a priest.
k, That’s a very good start. Now please stop defending dissident nuns who question the Holy Father.
Catherine, I do not defend dissedent nuns who attack the Holy Father. Why do you think that?
Q: Why would the CA bishops promote Sister Simone?
A: Because CA bishops are modernist-liberals, too.
Modernist-Liberal Catholics publicly oppose the death penalty, not because they think capital punishment is immoral or unjust, but because they think that that position shields them from criticism over their pro-abortion advocacy.
“See, we really are pro-life!”
Right on the mark, Bubba! The liberals ALWAYS couple their (reluctant) oppositioin to abortion with the death penalty issue. The two issues are diametrical opposites: Abortion kills innocent life, the Death Penalty kills the worst of the worst. Liberals simply refuse to follow the same logic and discover parallels where there are none.
Yes, these bishops trade fifty death sentence executions per year in the USA for way over a million unborn babies’ lives through abortion. The logical conclusion is that these bishops value fifty heinous violent criminals the same as a million unborn babies’ lives. If that is not satanic, tell me what is.
It’s about one heinous criminal’s life at the value of 30,000 unborn innocent lives. Anybody notice the special number “30” here, as in 30 pieces of silver?
No one had stood up to abortion more than the Catholic bishops. Every human life is sacred. It is is Genesis 1. The Word of God. The College of Bishops was established by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. You attack Christ when you attack them.
Anonymous–where did you get that theologic notion. The college of bishops could not have been established by Our Lord. The Office of bishop indeed was instituted by Christ.But not the collge of bishops! That Office demands that the occupant thereof ACT as Bishop to do the will of God and any and all bishops are to be heeded only to the extent that they conform to the duties of that office. When they do not– it becomes the obligation of the Faithful to oppose them and to the extent possible remove them! Any argument that a bishop MUST be respected just because he is a bishop is not true. It is because we have such high regard for the office of bishop that we must oppose the occupants who debase tthat office.
The original College of Bishops was the 12 Apostles. When He sent Peter and the Apostles out into the world to teach and baptize, the Lord said, “whoever hears you hears Me. Whoever rejects you rejects Me and rejects Him who sent Me.” That is addressed to the College of Bishops–the same college which, together with Peter, issued the groundbreaking decision at the Council of Jerusalem (described in Acts) that the Mosaic Law no longer bound the faithful–that in fact they were part of a new liturgy, that of Christ. The College of Bishops is indeed left us by Jesus.
tom amadeo, The Faithful have no licit means to remove a bishop. They can contact the papal nuncio with their concern and of course, pray. As for the college of apostles being established by Christ: see the Catholic Encyclopedia entry: Apostolic College.
Sister Simone has proven herself as one of the leaders in the “Culture of Death” crowd. BISHOPS BEWARE !
Reply to Mike, 9/11/12
Amen. It has been my understanding, to be a Catholic you believe the
teachings of the church and all that it represents. As I have been a fallen away catholic, upon my return to the church I had to give serious thought to what I was going to get myself into. The responsibility of being the Catholic
I wished to be. I am a devout Catholic. The question I asked myself was,
“either your Catholic are you are not Catholic, I believe.”
This is our ” Lord Jesus Christ.”
In this woman’s case, Sr Simone, I’d say “Simone” is pronounced “simony”.
If the Archbishop of Los Angeles is not yet on your list of do-nothing California bishops, I think this is a good time to add him. Sr. Simone is still holding her workshop within the Diocese of Oakland this coming Sunday where she tells people how to vote. Given her comments at the Democratic National Convention, this amounts to an endorsement of the Democratic Party. Please call Bishop Cordileone’s office immediately to help stop this travesty. I did call to thank the Diocese of San Jose for removing their promotion of Sr. Simone’s voting workshop from their website. You should do the same.
To answer the title question: The bishops do what the California Conference of Bishops tells them to do! Logical or illogical, right or wrong, makes no difference.
Where are the investigative reporters to find out why individual bishops hop to the tune of the cluster of bishops. Is it that they are more bonded than a bishop and his flock? Is this why they are so hot on hiding sodomites? Where is the analysis of bishop bonding? What Church Magisterial doctrines address this problem? Or are we all awaiting some great saint to arise, such as Ausustine, to explain it and point the way to relief from this quagmire of non-holiness?
I’m no saint but I can tell you the way to relief. Turn off your computer. Go to daily Mass, make a daily holy hour, pray the rosary, read the Bible and stories from the Saints, pray the morning offering, the angelus, the Mercy Chaplet, the divine office, study the Catechism and the writings of the Popes. Live the rules of silence and mortification and if you can, fast at least once a week; abstain on Fridays. Offer these things (most are indulgenced so offer the indulgences for the souls in Purgatory) for the conversion of sinners and the santification of the just (include the bishops in whichever category you wish) and for the intentions of the Sacred Heart, the Immaculate Heart and the Pope. Confess at least once a month. Do your First Fridays and First Saturday devotions if you have not. Spend your time doing good to others. Be a living reflection of Jesus, Mary and St. Joseph. I know I have forgotten things and I know I need to take my own advice.
See I forgot the 2 most important things. Conform yourself to the will of God with trust and love. Love Him, love all His creatures, love His will and Love His Mother.
AND…fulfill your duties and obey God’s laws.-Our Lady of Fatima
And what exactly is the purpose for doing all these things, k? You sound like a pharisee.
Showing God your love. Holiness. Conformity to the will of God. Becoming the living reflection of Christ. To aid in the Church’s mission. I’m surprised you don’t know this if you are Catholic.
If you did at least SOME–maybe just A FEW of the things K recommends, JLS, it might remedy some of that staggering load of pride you carry on your shoulders.
JLS I’m glad you brought up the Pharisee point. JLS good point!
St. Paul was a pharisee. Jesus admonished the Pharisees for obeying the law in the trifles while neglecting justice and mercy and faithfulness. You are correct in the warning that people can do religious things for the wrong reasons. Those who claim to be faithful often are not.
I found that saint you’re looking for: Pope Benedict XVI. He says to direct EVERY thought, word, and action to the truth of the Gospel and harness ALL our energies in the service of God’s Kingdom.
k, in case you never considered it, holiness is more than words. Holiness is one’s life. As the Word was made flesh, so one’s words must materialize … Well, here is another challenge for many, to explore the meaning instead of claiming that it is not found word for word in the CCC2ndEd. k, you simply never exhibit any insight into what “holy” means. This latest nonsense that someone is holy because of the words they speak is simple childishness.
But, first, k, let’s see if you can present a good explication of the ideas you’ve attributed to the Pope.
JLS, the word “holy” is found 654 times in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
The word “holiness” is found 74 times in the CCC.
If you read it, you could not miss it. And you would not keep putting your foot in your mouth about the CCC.
Why do you personally have so much trouble with the CCC which is from the Magisterium and personally promoted by Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict ?
Is it because OBEDIENCE to Jesus and HIS Church is a problem for you ?
Remember what Jesus said – ” I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven “. Mt 16:19.
JLS you are awesome, you always remind us of what the Pope asked the Bishops to be, to be Holy. Isn’t it hard to be holy today? I only say this because often at times, that is what I try to be but as stress gets to us, these wicked times, make it a challenge for us to stay on track. I found that I can be most holy if I just left and became a hermit… How often a times are we tempted to break that holiness? I know that for a few people, they can remain holy but for most of us, it is a struggle. I think that it takes daily practice, living chaste etc…May God help us all.
Of course holiness is not words and it is one’s life! Do you really not understand it? JLS, where did you get your instruction in Catholicism? Was it some RCIA program? I did not put the Pope’s words in quotes because some pronouns would have rendered it awkward and CCD has not been posting things like quotes from the Pope and saints that were too long. If you Google the Pope’s Homily from his Mass at Yankee Stadium you will find it. What the Pope is saying (and he was using 1 Peter 5) is that the spiritual sacrifice acceptable to God is that EVERYTHING you do and think and say should be about spreading His Reign. We are living stones in the temple that the Holy Spirit is raising in this world.
JLS don’t answer k, by now I would think she would know your heart in regards to the faith…all this blah blah is troubling
abeca, I am sure that you know that many RCIA programs did not teach the fullness of the faith and many of them were “protestantized” even going as far as encouraging participants to interpret the Bible as it “spoke to them.” Someone’s heart can be in the right place but they could also have been misled. Since your animosity toward me is so apparent and you don’t want him to answer me, perhaps you should be the one to ask him and to help him.
K what you see as animosity is not but only your distaste for what I said. It’s interesting but I sometimes see you having animosity towards some here. JLS does not need my help….I don’t recall him asking…I usually learn from him, while I verify what he comments, he does have a gift with ability to reason and discern well. I pray he stays on that good holy path. God bless
abeca, I do not see how any Catholic could read JLS posts (and maybe you don’t read them all) and not be concerned about him-as a person and as a soul beloved by God.
k why are you making JLS the topic at hand. Don’t fret k, I admire JLS’s zeal to defend Christ and His church. Maybe the issue is not whether I read all of his comments or some but the real issue is who understands what he is trying to convey.
abeca, JLS became the subject when you told him not to answer my question. Pray for him. He has fallen in a ditch a few weeks ago and now has fallen and hit his head. Also, he is (I think) trying to cut back on his beers. As for the other things, well just pray for the Holy Spirit to be his guide. And the Blessed Mother to take him under Her Mantle and protect him.
The death penalty issue is a “red herring” used to keep our eyes off the real ball, the annual killing of 1.5MM babies in America.
These are all Novus Ordonarians, case closed!!! Folks why do you think the S.S.P.X. will not come home to Rome? MODERNISTS!!!!!!
JLS, why do you think that the SSPX will not come home to Rome?
PA, the question never occurred to me, and continues to not occur to me. Maybe you should ask Janek instead, since he is the one you replied to.
I didn’t put that well, JLS. I was taking note of Janek’s comment. My question is if the SSPX was part of the Catholic Church why would they have to come home to Rome? They would already be part of Rome. The members of the Society of St. Peter were part of the SSPX and they did come home to Rome.
PA you got me lost there with your comments on this topic of SSPX…Janek please reply to PA…
Officially be welcomed back by Rome, and have to accept the flawed Novus Ordo Missae with it’s banal music, hand holding, clapping, altar girls, dancing nuns, liturgical dancers in leotards, lay lectors, communion in the hand, all faiths are equal, giant puppets, drums, guitars, pianos, nuns wearing makeup, earrings, dresses, and Holy Mass said in a vulgar tongue, that is what is keeping them from coming home to Rome.
The Orthodox Churches also have valid sacraments, PA. They are not Roman Catholic, but they are part of the one holy catholic and apostolic Church. The SSPX is Catholic, but whether it is “officially” Roman Catholic seems to be an unresolved question. The phrase, “not in full communion with Rome”, is often seen. So, then, what is partial communion with Rome, PA? Logically, “partial communion” is in fact “communion” … after all, can a soul be partially saved, or partially enter Heaven? Can a soul be not in full eternal life with Christ? That is, can a soul be partially in eternal life in Christ? PA, are you capable of considering these questions or not? Fess up.
Janek, the issues are the doctines in Vatican II. The SSPX were not going to be required to accept the new Mass. The Pope was going to set up a personal prelature but they had to accept the teachings of Vatican II, which they would not. And really it was only Bishop Fellay that was even in discussion with Rome.
This woman’s actions are all distractions, the bishops are helping her as well bringing forth distractions. The evil one is using this to distract many from the real issues that truly matter….WAKE UP! Dump these distractions and stick to the real issues at hand. Look for what is truly intrinsic evils! Vote against intrinsic evils!
When you attack the bishops, you attack Christ.
When you attack God…well I;m sure the saints already answered that one for us. Hell is paved with whose skulls?
Anonymous is this woman God to you? I wonder because your negative comments of assuming that one attacked the bishops is uncharitable! One can only judge by their actions and stating facts, especially when it’s a well known fact what this woman represents, it is not an attack to form one’s conscience, to form reason……Liberal arts as St. Thomas Aquinas has taught, helps the lay faithful distinguish wrongful misleading actions from within the church. With your notion, then you must consider this article an attack on Christ because this website has exposed what the Bishops are doing in support of this nun, who dissents the teachings of the church.
When you attack the bishops, you attack Christ. There is nothing uncharitable in that statement. Absolutely nothing. There is nothing in the “article” (actually a partial reprint of an email) that attacks bishops. The title of the article indicates that the websites feels it is exposing something negative. There is nothing in the actual email that says that any bishop (much less bishops) is promoting her, The email comes from the diocese of LA justice and peace commission. And that does not mean that the bishop promotes her.
Anon, you’re about as honest and upright as the devil. It is a lie to claim that attacking bishops is attacking Christ. No faithful son of God wants a corrupt bishop around, and it is our duty to discern whether they are corrupt or not. Your worthless religion of anti-Catholicism is beyond your paygrade … you can’t even run your spiritual scam very well.
JLS, I have noticed that what you say depends on who you are responding to. On another post, you refer to the Mystical Body of Christ. Here, you act as if it is a heresy. You claim in one post that a bishop’s sacrament’s may become invalid; on another you say that are inviolate. You claim to know the Bible in ancient language-certainly you know “He who hears you, hears me. He who rejects you, rejects me.” There is nothing anti-Catholic in my post.
Anon., you see nothing because you do not want to. You misinterpret my posts so that they fit your schemes. You also never support any of your accusations with a fact; rather, you make false accusations and in such a way as committing the mortal sin of bearing false witness against your neighbor.
JLS, I am not sure what false accusation I made. Perhaps I misinterpreted what you wrote-but you did write them. You have made many false allegations against me in these 2 posts such as that my religion is anti-Catholicism; that I am running a spiritual scam and now that I have committed a mortal sin and that I have schemes. None of these things are true.
**Perhaps I misinterpreted what you wrote-but you did write them.** Slam Dunk, you prove my point that you have no idea what you’re reading or saying.
JLS K thinks you are the one who needs help…wow! You gave Anonymous great responses, I appreciate them! Is Anonymous k again or a new anonymous? Wow too many anonymous or all the same person….who knows.
abeca, remember that supposed quote from St. John Crysostom about the floor of hell being paved with the skulls of bishops is not a real quote from him or anyone else. The most logical explanation is that it was mistranslated from a writing by John Wesley (a protestant) that hell is full of the souls of bishops and souls was misread as skulls. Because as we all know-there are no skulls in hell-at all. It is another internet folktale.
k,
After witnessing your extremely ardent support for the dissident Sr. Simone Campbell, perhaps your own claim to be faithful is an internet folktale.
i firmly believed hell is paved with redwood chips.
Now I’ve heard everything….wow….I pray for Jesus to return and take us away from all these heresies…I prefer the truth and to not put my trust in men but in Christ alone!
Oh Catherine, I do not ardently support her.
St Athenasius, St John Eudes, St John of the Cross are also quoted with similar sayings. All these saints and doctors of the Church lived long before John Wesley (a favorite of Billy Graham); if Wesley said it, then he said it also. Non-Catholics are not always blind to the evil of bishops, priests, nuns, Catholic laity, or non-Catholics. Remember, k, that most Protestants are baptized sacramentally, and through this one sacrament put forth a lot of what Jesus Christ wants put forth. How many countless Protestants would become Catholics if the bishops were holy, do you imagine? Do you think the Pope called the bishops to become holy if they already are? Why is there no response from bishops to this demand?
Textbook example of total stupidity: “The most logical explanation is that it was mistranslated”.
JLS, I am not a spiritual director. I cannot help you. Perhaps you pastor could recommend one. As for the quote, if you ever actually find in one of their writings, let us know. But let’s be honest, it says more about the person who uses it, than it does about the bishops.
Narcissism or narcissistic
Jesus bless you.
Where do I start? (some would say to me,”don;t start, because you’ll probably never stop”), but I’m going for it anyway: Mark from PA: I can’t quite figure out if you’re a ‘troll,’ a Catholic lib. trying to appear somewhat conservative or maybe just from some parallel universe, where half-truths mix uneasily with full truth. Really, poverty is a leading cause of abortion? Do you have statistics? In my view, only a badly formed Catholic or Evangelical in their FAITH FORMATION would try to kill their unborn child by adhering to such a concept. So even though the lame-stream media might and do propagate such a distortion, it’s really those like in the Manhattan area of New York City, where there’s an extremely high rate of unborn killing going on, overpriveleged and elitist in their general philosophy, who would try to justify killing the preborn under that rubric, “poverty-stricken, and no way out,” etc. Are you one of those, Mark, in that sad situation? Actually, the whole paragraph from 5:55 p.m.on 9-11 is such a wierd amalgam of half-truths and muddled thinking, I, once again, scarcely know where to begin. So I guss I’ll stop. Too much for me. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
Markrite, what does saying that poverty is a leading cause of abortion have to do with justifying abortion? Abortion is the killing of an unborn child and a grave moral evil and mortal sin. From what I have read in many cities abortion clinics are placed in poor and/or minority areas. Look at California where the Latino population is targeted by the abortion industry and sadly many Latino politicians (as have been pointed out here) are afraid to stand up to the abortion industry. The have a lot of “splaining” to do. In my post of 9/11 I was saying that I understood where Sister Simone is coming from and I agree with a lot of what she has to say.
PA, read the three tempations of Christ, in the Gospel, and then proclaim how you agree with many of the things the devil said to Jesus Christ.
Thank you, Father Karl, for your on target statement.
The liberal chokehold within the Church continues with lots of lip service to the contrary at every level including Bishops. Stay close to the Sacraments and our Lady –don’t be fooled by the false promises, deceptions and false solutions that present themselves in so many clever lies, especially in the social justice and political arenas. Anyone who sees abortion as an answer to a crisis pregnancy must answer someday.
BTW very informative article on those influential in the USCCB in Sept 4 issue Catholic World Report — “Ending the USCCB’s Path to Progressive Politics?” by Anne Hendershott. Explains much with regard to how we got here . . .
Anonymous, each Bishop is reponsible for the actions of his own Diocese Staff and Diocese Committees.
He has the ability and responsibility to hire and fire.
If the Bishop permits his staff to promote heretics and/or schismatic speakers, or allows them to speak on Church Diocese owned property – it is fully his responsibility – including the associated Scandal.
CANON LAW – regarding Christian Faithful – 212 ” §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful,
without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons. ”
Please read your CCC for the definition of heresy, schism, and scandal. All are mortal sins.
Thank you for your respectful reply. I understand your point and I understand the terms you are referring to.
MAC, you liberals use legalism to attempt to convince people, but Jesus spoke out clearly against such artifice. One of your posts above rants about my posts, and in this act your rants falsify my posts. Like other poor readers that attack me, what you seem to do is ignore a lot of the grammar that serves to convey my thoughts. But this ignoring of grammar fits a pattern. You can’t simply take parts of a sentence and then reconstruct them any old way you want and honestly claim to have interpreted them accurately … that is simply dumb or else it is dishonest.
JLS I agree, it is most likely dishonest, pride not wanting to acknowledge, some act like it’s their way or now way….or maybe ignorance too.
correction their way or NO WAY
MAC, you’re lying about my posts.
In better news, Sister Mary Chilee Okoko, D.M.M.M. has just been appointed as Director of the Ministry of Life, Dignity and Justice for the Diocese of San Bernardino. She is a Nigerian sister who still wears the habit from her order.
Just say a report that tea party extremists heckled our sisters in Ohio. They called them “Bums on the bus.” I hope that there weren’t any Catholics among that rabble. It surely isn’t the first time that nuns have been singled out for such bigotry, they also experienced this during the “Know Nothing” period. I am thankful for these sisters that are advocating for the poor and those that don’t have a voice. God bless our sisters.