The following comes from a May 9 story by Sandro Magister in La Repubblica.
There is one particular in the Masses celebrated by Pope Francis that raises questions that have so far gone unanswered.
At the moment of communion, pope Jorge Mario Bergoglio does not administer it himself, but allows others to give the consecrated host to the faithful. He sits down and waits for the distribution of the sacrament to be completed.
The exceptions are very few. At solemn Masses the pope, before sitting down, gives communion to those assisting him at the altar. And at the Mass last Holy Thursday, at the juvenile detention facility of Casal del Marmo, he wanted to give communion himself to the young detainees who approached to receive it.
Bergoglio has given no explicit explanation of this behavior since becoming pope.
But there is one page in a book he published in 2010 that allows one to infer the motives at the origin of this practice.
The book is a collection of conversations with the rabbi of Buenos Aires, Abraham Skorka.
At the end of the chapter dedicated prayer, the then-archbishop Bergoglio says:
“David had been an adulterer and had ordered a murder, and nonetheless we venerate him as a saint because he had the courage to say: ‘I have sinned.’ He humbled himself before God. One can commit enormous mistakes, but one can also acknowledge them, change one’s life and make reparation for what one has done. It is true that among parishioners there are persons who have killed not only intellectually or physically but indirectly, with improper management of capital, paying unjust wages. There are members of charitable organizations who do not pay their employees what they deserve, or make them work off the books. [. . .] With some of them we know their whole résumé, we know that they pass themselves off as Catholics but practice indecent behaviors of which they do not repent. For this reason, on some occasions I do not give communion, I stay back and let the assistants do it, because I do not want these persons to approach me for a photo. One may also deny communion to a known sinner who has not repented, but it is very difficult to prove these things. Receiving communion means receiving the body of the Lord, with the awareness of forming a community. But if a man, rather than uniting the people of God, has devastated the lives of many persons, he cannot receive communion, it would be a total contradiction. Such cases of spiritual hypocrisy present themselves in many who take refuge in the Church and do not live according to the justice that God preaches. And they do not demonstrate repentance. This is what we commonly call leading a double life.”
As can be noted, Bergoglio explained in 2010 his abstaining from giving communion personally with a very practical reason: “I do not want these persons to approach me for a photo.”
As an experienced pastor and a good Jesuit, he knew that among those who receive communion there could be unrepentant public sinners who nonetheless professed themselves to be Catholics. He knew that at that point it would be difficult to deny them the sacrament. And he knew the public effects that that communion could have, if received from the hands of the archbishop of the Argentine capital.
One could infer that Bergoglio may sense the same danger as pope, indeed even more so. And for this reason he would be adopting the same prudential conduct: “I do not give communion, I stay back and let the assistants do it.”
The public sins that Bergoglio gave as examples in his conversation with the rabbi are the oppression of the poor and the withholding of just wages from the worker. Two sins traditionally listed among the four that “cry out to heaven for vengeance.”
But the reasoning is the same that in recent years has been applied by other bishops to another sin: public support for pro-abortion laws on the part of politicians who profess themselves to be Catholic.
This latter controversy has had its epicenter in the United States.
In 2004, then-cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, sent to the episcopal conference of the United States a note with the “general principles” on the question.
The episcopal conference decided to “apply” on a case-by-case basis the principles recalled by Ratzinger, leaving it up to the “individual bishops to make prudent pastoral judgments in [their] own circumstance.”
From Rome, Cardinal Ratzinger accepted this solution and called it “in harmony” with the general principles of his note.
In reality, the bishops of the United States are not unanimous. Some of them, including among the conservatives, like cardinals Francis George and Sean O’Malley, are reluctant to “make the Eucharist a political battleground.” Others are more intransigent. When the Catholic Joe Biden was chosen as vice-presidential running mate by Barack Obama, the archbishop of Denver at the time, Charles Chaput, now in Philadelphia, said that Biden’s support for the so-called “right” to abortion was a grave public fault and “I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for communion.”
The fact remains that last March 19, at the Mass for the inauguration of the pontificate of Francis, vice-president Biden and the leader of the House Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, she too a pro-abortion Catholic, were part of the official delegation of the United States.
And both received communion. But not from the hands of pope Bergoglio, who was seated behind the altar.
To see glimpse of conversations with the rabbi, click here.
To read the entire story in La Repubblica, click here.
An interesting twist in the issue!!!
Is he not also responsible for those who give the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity to such as Biden, Pelosi, etc. etc. ad nauseam at Masses over which he presides as well?
Who determines what is a just wage, the government, the unions, who?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
First link does not work. Thanks for posting this.
Fixed.
Whether someone like Biden or Pelosi is receiving Our Lord’s Precious Body and Blood from the Pope or someone else, the fact of the matter is they are doing a great sacrilege. The bishops need to enforce Canon 915 and protect the Body and Blood of Our Lord from being profaned by His enemies.
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
1 Cor 11:27
Clinton,
Couldn’t that same guilt in 1 Cor 11:27 be properly interpreted to include those who improperly give the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord to those who sacrilegiously receiving It, or who can stop it and don’t because they don’t want to turn the Sacred Species into a “weapon”?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Good for Pope Francis. I see three possible reasons for his action:
* He doesn’t want people to reach false conclusions based on who he gives communion to. Example: a local pro-abortion politicians (who Francis knows not) receives communion from him and the news reports on it.
* He doesn’t want the extremists to draw conclusions as they did with Pope Benedict XVI that receiving on the tongue while kneeling is better (or worse) than in the hand while standing.
* He doesn’t want to give the impression that receiving Holy Communion from the Pope is somehow “better.”
From what I have seen on TV – Pope Francis does give out Holy Communion – BUT all those who receive Holy Communion from the Pope – which appear to be Deacons based upon vestments- kneel and receive the Body of our Lord on the tongue.
This is in accord with: Philippians 2:9-10 and Eph 3:14.
I have not seen the kneeling part…
R.B. Rodda,
How interesting is human nature! “He who is given much will be held more accountable.” Blessed are the peacemakers. R.B. You have excellent moments of brilliance and then you sadly choose to do yourself great injustice. How long have you suffered from this malady or poor condition? You are not a peacemaker you are a troublemaker and a divider. Please take that comment as a compliment because I think you have the fine intellect and the heart to supernaturally rise above your compulsion to expose your petty grudges, that is if you can set aside your past angers and foolish pride in order to unite. Someone who loves the EF has obviously left a huge festering thorn in your overly swollen paw and you take every opportunity to punish everyone who values Tradition. Believe me….We GET it. Your #2 post causes even more division. You did not need to write the comment about extremists. You complimented Pope Francis for not being controversial yet instead of imitating what you are complimenting you took it upon yourself to stick in some mean spirited jabs to fellow Catholics in *2.
Wouldn’t we all be praying for the same unity if we were to perhaps learn that you left out *4
“Bergoglio has given no explicit explanation of this behavior since becoming pope.”
“I do not give communion, I stay back and let the assistants do it.”
*4. Not unlike the first Pope Peter who once denied knowing Christ three times and who initially fled Rome out of fear, Pope Francis may also be praying interiorly to receive the same supernatural grace of courage that was bestowed on St. Peter in order to more properly and wisely lead the Church while still remaining loyal and pleasing to God.
Maybe he will be among the blessed whose mean spirited jabs at fellow Catholics just disappear overnight.
Anonymous what are you? Someone’s attorney? Are you representing the mean spirited jabee’s that you felt the need to make such a absurd comment? Why do you feel the need to jab out those kind of comments? Who made you the justice hall of deciding what is mean spirited or not?
If you are the same Anony person, who keeps targeting only a few here on that…. it’s interesting how when someone advocates same sex lifestyles, I don’t read the usage of your words directed at them. What agenda do you really have in mind that justifies your real actions here….stop targeting certain individuals with your mean spirited replies. It’s too much and it’s already something that is on notice….
Abeca Christian,
Once again…excellent insight dear sister in Christ! Never once has this same individual written a *smart aleck* comment to the posters who openly attack Church teaching.
Wiktionary Etymology for Smart Aleck
“Aleck is a nickname for Alexander. The phrase “smart alec or aleck” is possibly derived from the name Aleck Hoag, a 19th century con man and thief. A conceited know-it-all, dates back to mid-19th century America. Alec Hoag was a notorious pimp and thief who operated in New York in the 1840s. He operated a trick called “The Panel Game” where he would sneak in via gaps in the walls and steal the valuables of his sleeping or unwary clients. The reputation he generated for not getting caught earned him the nickname Smart Alec.”
Actually Abeca it is a compliment that this individual follows a few posters like white on rice. It exposes that they are terribly threatened and bothered by specific truths of our Catholic Faith. They fool the gullible and the unwary in order to enable more confusion to the weak. It is extremely sinister. This poster is horrifically bothered by faithful priests who uphold “all” Church teaching on homosexual issues and the Charles Limandri’s of the academic world who also defend Church teaching. Like a thief stealing away the truth, they will slip in an undermining comment about a heroic priest. This cunning individual is no different than the cowardly hit and run driver who runs over his victim and then crawls away to hide in darkness under his false rock of perceived anonymity. God sees the handiwork of all clever evil doers even the ones who will say, “I don’t know what you are talking about.” The latest and newly found added usage of the name *anonymous* all the more screams out an attempt to hide guilt because in reality they do recognize their own brand of thievery and they do know exactly what they are doing and what they have done wrong. Only in this case, they are hiding in anonymity because they are cleverly attempting to run over anyone who dares to uphold “all” Church teaching on homosexual issues. Some have not been paying very close attention but some certainly have. Christ said, “He who is not with me is against me.”
I agree Catherine….this Anony doesn’t realize how much he/she breaks hearts with it’s resistance to certain truths. He leans only unto his own understanding which our Lord warns us not to do.
“Have confidence in the Lord with all thy heart, and lean not upon thy own prudence”. Proverbs 3:5
A simple mea culpa would have sufficed. And you are also guilty of false witness. I am not at all bothered by any of the Catholic faith. I support the USD alumni association. You could have just said you were sorry to Francis on the other thread. But no….
abeca, since you have declared yourself to be “one of the few faithful who post here” and you have declared yourself and your clique to be The Faithful, it stands out like a sore thumb when you do not correct error. If you and Catherine will correct everything that is posted that is contrary to the Catholic Faith, whether through ignorance, error or malice, without attacking the person who posts it or attributing motivations to them, for the rest of the month of May, I will sponsor a day of CCD for each of you.
Anony you are still avoiding the real question, you never answer it….could it be your bad will….there I did what you asked me to do…correct error…..
The rest of your accusations and or irrational or irrelevant questions I refuse to entertain.
Abeca, I can’t tell from your 4:22pm answer whether you are unaware that you confirm all 0f Anonymous’ points — that you are not able to state facts correctly nor resist the temptation of ad hominem attacks and attributed motives — or just writing with tongue-in-cheek.
abeca, So you decline my offer?
Abeca, You solved it! Thank you!
Ventriloquism, or ventriloquy, is an act of stagecraft in which a person (a ventriloquist) changes his or her voice so that it appears that the voice is coming from elsewhere, usually a puppeteered “dummy”. The act of ventriloquism is ventriloquizing, and the ability to do so is commonly called in English the ability to “throw” one’s voice.
Examples of Famous Ventriloquists: Hollywood’s Edgar Bergen and his best-known sidekick, Charlie McCarthy and CCD’s poster named Anonymous and his best-known sidekicks, k and Francis.
I guess this is a “no”.
MACKZ is that you???
May God forgive your sins and bring you to everlasting life. May He pour out His Holy Spirit of Truth upon you and guide You into the fullness of the Light of Christ.
anony what I was taught by a good priest, whom also I went to confession too, he told me to pray that prayer for myself because he said that I was too busy praying for others but should never neglect my own salvation…..Anony it’s kind of you to pray that for us but please do not neglect your own…ask God for his forgiveness and truths for yourself as well…..our Lord is awesome….and I say this with true charity….I hope you don’t read into it as malice intent because that is not intention….
I soon realized that this priest was right….we need to first fix within house and then pray for others as well…he conveyed better than I did here….but he sure made sense. God have mercy on us all and we pray for the repentance of all sinners.
All baptized Catholics who receive Holy Communion must not be in the State of Mortal Sin or he/she commits an additional Mortal Sin of Sacrilege.
Non-Catholics may not receive Holy Communion (the Body and Blood of our Lord).
Since the Pope is not a mind reader – based upon this article it appears that he understands the damage done by the Mortal Sin of Scandal when he does not know all the public actions of others.
Unfortunately, several Bishops in the USA ignore mortal sin of Scandal.
CCC on Scandal: #2284, 2285, 2286, 2287, 2326,.
They also ignore Canon 915 and Canon 1399,
To be forgiven of our sins we must make reparation.
Those guilty of public scandal must repair the public damage they have done to the best of their ability.
THIS is SINFUL if it is accurate – – –
The USCCB – “The episcopal conference decided to “apply” on a case-by-case basis the principles recalled by Ratzinger, leaving it up to the “individual bishops to make prudent pastoral judgments in [their] own circumstance.”
The USCCB has no authority to rewrite the Catholic Faith to suit individual Bishops desires (and sins). The USCCB is NOT the Magisterium.
Their action permits any Bishop to openly allow the MORTAL SINS of SACRILEGE and SCANDAL.
These Bishops violate teachings of the Church in the CCC and Code of Canon Law.
For the exact wording of the DIRECTIVE from Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) on the internet see: – – – – – –
“WORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles” 2004 – Cardinal Ratzinger.
Also on the internet see:
“The Discipline Regarding the Denial of Holy Communion to Those Obstinately Persevering in Manifest Grave Sin”
by Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Bishops who knowingly allow those who are publically in the state of Mortal Sin to receive Holy Communion – are guilty of participating in the mortal sins of Sacrilege and Scandal themselves.
When these Bishops publically violate teachings of the Church, they also commit an additional Scandal.
When they are disobedient (their sin of Pride) to Church teachings – they wonder why Americans leave the Faith for more principled Protestant Faiths.
Whether intended or not, it certainly appears that these guilty Bishops do NOT believe that Holy Communion is the Body and Blood of Christ our Lord.
Andrea & Mike
I just want to say how nice it is to have perfect people like you here on calcath to remind us of the letter of the law. It is so refreshing to not have to rely upon the magisterium to figure out who and how communion is given out!
Annonymous (meaning afraid to identify oneself)
In case you didn’t know it, highly doubtful, the Magisterium has declared that these public sinners are not to be given communion!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Cardinals Francis George and Sean O’Malley are not conservatives. They both support the pro-abortion and pro-same sex marriage Democratic political machines in Chicago and Boston.
O’Malley even presided over the “Catholic” funeral Mass of heretic and schismatic – pro-abortionist Senator Ted Kennedy – giving further Scandal himself.
How did they get to be Cardinals when they do not understand the reasons for excommunication which has nothing to do with politics – to TEACH (if possible) those obstinate in grave sin, and to stop SACRILEGE and stop SCANDAL.
Their kind of thinking is similar to that of those Bishops (including Mahoney) who hid and moved around abusive Priests, so they could abuse again.
CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
If avoiding photos is a valid reason, then all bishops and priests have the same valid reason, and they should all follow the good example of the Holy Father, and they should all sit down as the pope does, and watch the Eucharistic ministers distribute communion. Then again, if I was a Eucharistic minister, I wouldn’t want my picture taken either, and more to the point, I wouldn’t want to give Communion to a notorious public sinner. So two questions remain. One, the pope isn’t passing the buck on this, is he? And two, if this is so important, why haven’t previous popes, bishops and priests, done as he is doing?
The Pope does not use Eucharistic Ministers at his Masses.
Distributors of Holy Communion all have consecrated hands – they are either Priests or Deacons.
Because of this you will never see a woman distributing Holy Communion at a Vatican Mass.
(You can watch many of Pope Francis’ Masses on EWTN. I do.)
Today’s catechesis from Pope Francis is: ““ In this Year of Faith let us ask ourselves if we have actually taken a few steps to get to know Christ and the truths of faith more, by reading and meditating on the Scriptures, studying the Catechism, steadily approaching the Sacraments. ” – Pope Francis 5/13/2013
“Consecrated hands” has absolutely nothing to do with it! Are you aware that Eastern Catholic bishops/priests/deacons do not have “consecrated hands” yet all of them are certainly worthy of distributing Holy Communion at a Mass.
RB Rodda, Eastern Catholic Bishops/Priests/Deacons are ORDAINED.
There hands are consecrated during that ceremony.
No! You are wrong! Eastern Catholic (and Orthodox) Bishops/Priests/Deacons’ hands are NOT consecrated as they are in the Latin Rite.
It’s this sort of ignorance that makes the Church look bad — ignorance of the Eastern half of the Church, and the belief that “consecrated hands” somehow improve the distribution of Holy Communion.
wrong…eastern orthodox priest’s have VALID ORDERS…yet they are schismatics…
I hope you mean by ” Eucharistic Minister” …other priests..they are the only ones who are Eucharistic Minister’s…..lay people are extra-ordinary ministers..
You are correct Walt. “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion” are lay persons without consecrated hands. Although greatly abused in the USA, the Laity are not to be used at Mass on a regular basis – per GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal).
Eucharistic Ministers that are Ordinary are Priests or Deacons – both with consecrated hands.
Thanks for the catch in terminology. Appreciate your sharp eyes. :)
Code of Canon Law:
” Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.”
and
“Can. 1399 In addition to the cases established here or in other laws, the external violation of a divine or canonical law can be punished by a just penalty only when the special gravity of the violation demands punishment and there is an urgent need to prevent or repair scandals.”
APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION “SACRAE DISCIPLINAE LEGES”
of the SUPREME PONTIFF POPE JOHN PAUL II
for the PROMULGATION of the NEW CODE OF CANON LAW (1983).
“Finally, the canonical laws by their very nature must be observed.”
and
” I declare and order that they will have the force of law beginning from the first day of Advent of this year, 1983. ”
Who appointed Cardinal George, Cardinal O’Malley, and the USCCB – Pope of the Catholic Church?
If Cdls George and O’Malley don’t know the difference between POLITICS – or TEACHING those obstinate in Sin, and SACRILEGE against Our Lord and SCANDAL which loses Souls, Jesus help us all. Your Church is in big trouble thanks to these Cardinals and several others within the USCCB.
(It is more important for them to provide cover for Democratic heretics and schismatics, than to do what is necessary to teach the truth.
All politicians regardless of Party affiliation must be treated the same – but I guess they don’t understand that either.)
Cardinal Ratzinger would NEVER agree to Sacrilege or Scandal.
Everyone must read: “WORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles” on the net.
It includes statements like: “5 . Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church’s teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.”
also included
“A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
(As we all know there is nothing in the USA proportionate to the killing of approx. 1 MILLION babies each year.)
Debra, Catholicism is different from what is put in print. Catholicism includes the actions of bishops, who have infininite power and authority in Christ. Moses and the Ten Commandments never had that grace. So, it always puzzles me why Catholics impute life to a set of documents … that is called idolatry.
We can’t call them up and ask them when we have a question, Skai. We use what they have written. It is not idolatry-it’s research. But you are right that Catholicism is more than that.
Skai- based upon your writings, you merely don’t like to take written directions -even from the Magisterium.
Written directions whether Holy Scripture or the CCC or Code of Canon Law are all necessary – since many Bishops are not Holy, do not adhere to Church teachings, do not properly teach all those in their Diocese the Faith in entirety – etc.
When the Church Magisterium states these document are important for all of us to read, who do you think you are to say different ?
Look up the words “heretic” and “schismatic” to see if the shoe fits.
If you think all Bishops do their job as required, or if you think that some Cardinals and Bishops do not cause scandal – I’d like to know what you are taking.
DOTTIE have you forgotten YFC……why not direct those accusations to YFC…they seem to fit him better and even to PA…but Skai???…you simply do not get his style…..just like St. Peter and St. Paul….they both had different styles of spreading the faith and much a times did they disagree…but as I recall they both loved the faith and Jesus…they both had the same goal which is to do God’s will….Skai doesn’t gear people away from the truth nor the faith but others here do with their advocating of liberal views and homosexual agenda’s.
Skai – do you think you know more than Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict, and now Pope Francis?
(If so, you are very prideful and need to search your Soul for your sinful and scandalous public comments against Holy Scripture and the CCC, and the Code of Canon Law.)
Teaching of from Pope Francis on 5/13/2013 –
“Do not be ‘part-time’ Christians”
“ In this Year of Faith let us ask ourselves if we have actually taken a few steps to get to know Christ and the truths of faith more, by reading and meditating on the Scriptures, studying the Catechism, steadily approaching the Sacraments. ” – Pope Francis
ANNA it troubles me that you would think so little of Skai? Where you asking him a question? or where you already accusing him? I don’t know exactly but this troubles me. Maybe more charitable words could of been used to convey which would probably have lead to a dialogue to help enlighten one another……if you went about it differently you may find in Skai to be a defender of the faith…..he certainly has his own style….he doesn’t expect everyone to agree with him but he has the same goal…which is to defend truth, reason etc…
Skai – individual Bishops do not have infinite power. As individuals they only have authority in their own Diocese. And they must adhere to the teachings of the Church, not propagating their own personal political beliefs and desires.
The start of the Code of Canon Law was put into place at the Council of Trent – because some Bishops were excommunicating people willy-nilly – for silly things like personally offending them.
The original Code (it was not called the Code back then) was initiated by the Magisterium to put a process in place that reflected Church teaching and was fair to all. The Code was and is needed due to the human element/failure of some Bishops.
The CCC is needed and provided by the Magisterium due to the failure of many Bishops to teach the Faith to all in their Diocese accurately and completely. Teaching the Faith accurately and completely is the first responsibility of Bishops. – This saves Souls.
Debra,
Yet, when priests have dared to exercise what you wrote above, their “bishops” after receiving complaints have crucified the good priests!
That is why we now have so many Independent priests!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Your all preaching to the choir and Skai knows all this in which the church teaches…..just because you don’t understand what Skai is really trying to convey doesn’t mean that your comments are correct about him.
But to your credit you do point out good things as well but In Skai’s defense he does get Catholicism, he certainly has his own style at conveying and at understanding too, I believe that they do lead towards truth as well, why do you think he is a convert? That speaks volumes in itself. God bless him. Sometimes we do disagree with Skai on some things because in the way it was presented and it may not have sounded well, so it’s good to ask for clarity as well, but at least he could think and to me his comments do have a zeal to defend the truth and our faith. I would rather read his comments and dialogue with him than with others who are so high up to promote defiance of the unnatural kind. Skai likes to challenge people to think for themselves of course with unity in the church. I appreciate it when he is humble too especially if we tend to disagree with him. I like how he never acts like the victim but he usually is good at answering questions and his style once again is to challenge one to think….
Also I hate it when some just throw an accusation but don’t respond back when they are replied too. What is the point, are you already yelling crucify the person without hearing them out?
Don’t be like the Jehovah’s Witness cult….they knock at your door, and if you rebuttal their arguments and you keep resisting them, then they shun your house and add you to a list where no one will come to our house again…which is a good thing, mind you, but they shun people because for rejecting their heresies.
They are not the real Church that Christ started so they have no authority to decide who is to be shunned…..that is why they are a cult….they brain wash people just like the Mormons.
“There are members of charitable organizations who do not pay their employees what they deserve, or make them work off the books. [. . .] With some of them we know their whole résumé, we know that they pass themselves off as Catholics but practice indecent behaviors of which they do not repent.”
I had to send this quote of Pope Francis to the head of an extremely major charity operating in an extremely major city, with the following additional citations:
Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. James 5:4 usccb.org/bible/james/5/#67005004
The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”…injustice to the wage earner. – Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1867 scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm#V
This man’s abusive treatment of volunteers causes me to refer to him as Tiradosaurus Rex. Once, a group of highly qualified volunteers — not the kind you have to spend more time than it’s worth on — came from Spain at their own expense to work for TR. He so abused them that they immediately turned around and went back home.
Yet this man has been featured within the last day on an extremely major website that performs advocacy work on our side.
A well known Priest, one who has paid the price so much that he has got cancer from exposure to an adverse environment, knows of TR’s abusiveness and is disgusted by it.
Those who receive communion while in a state of mortal sin…have just committed another mortal sin, by receiving while in this state…this would be a very grave sacrilege…
Sorry but I find this logic twisted.
The holy father rightfully speaks of Catholics who sin and publicly recieve holy communion. But, then, to me at least, he appears to back off from public teaching of those same morals. If he truly wanted to make an impression and be that excellent pastor for his flock, he’d carefully explain in private to those who may appear for communion not to do so for those specific reasons. If they fail to agree, then he’d not allow them to recieve from him. This seems to me elementary pastoral care.
Can one imagine Jesus refraining from publicly confronting the pharisees? Or, allowing Peter or Andrew to push out the money changer rather than Himself.
I am trying to be chariable and thoughtful of the holy father. But, we are in need of strong public fearless shepherds now.
I find this policy ridiculous.
Why should the Holy Father worry about cameras?
One of the MOST important ministries of an ordained deacon, priest or bishop (including the Bishop of Rome) is to give the Eucharist to the faithful!
If a notorious sinner approaches Communion and is not recognized and stopped, this sin is on her or his head — not the priest’s.
If the Pope refuses Communion to someone he knows is not a Catholic, or someone who is a notorious heretic, he is acting properly — he can just say “God bless you” to the person.
If every bishop followed this policy, they would never give Holy Communion to anyone!!!
It’s not a matter of giving Communion to the Faithful
It’s a matter of giving Communion to the NON-Faithful – Catholic heretics and schismatics, in addition to non-Catholics.
If you need to know about SCANDAL Michael, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition. And just how do you expect the Pope (who knows very little English) to know all the scandalous Catholic politicians in the USA and/or the entire World.
That’s the POINT, Sandra — the Holy Father doesn’t NEED to know that state of each communicant’s soul.
For all he knows when giving out the Blessed Sacrament as Mass, the cardinal receiving Holy Communion from him could be a child molester.
The sin belongs to the sinner, not the one giving out Communion.
For the Pope to refuse to give out Communion, just because someone might get “photographed” receiving from him and then turn out to be a scoundrel, is just too much.
The scandal created is not the fault of the Pope, but of those who approach the Eucharist and should not — he shoudl not allow their sinfulness to prevent him from carrying out his duty as an Ordinary Minister of the Holy Eucharist!
(For goodness’ sake, he washed the feet of young criminals on Holy Thursday, so it’s not like he’s allergic to sinners…)
Michael – why are you so critical of our Pope in public print?
I’m sure he could give you his reasons for his actions, if you asked him.
Dottie,
Your attitude is what put us in the BAD shape we are now in. The Saints, including Popes, have told us to criticize even Popes when they are obviously wrong. Of course we can’t be flippant with such criticism, we must always try to determine what is the truth, but once we make such a determination, “the truth shall set you free”!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Michael is making good points, something to consider.
Michael, I don’t believe the Holy Father is concerned about cameras, in general, or about cameras on him, per se. He is concerned about something that, frankly I had never considered before. He seems to be worried that photos or videos of him administering communion to a person might be used to imply endorsement by Francis of the person or the person’s causes. I get that, it make sense to me.
It is a logical recognition that the sacrament ought not to be withheld except for grave reasons, yet the practical understanding that in this day and age, someone might get to the communion line who ought or ought not receive communion, but who then goes on to imply endorsement by the Holy Father or the Church for the person or the cause by a photo or video at that moment. Seems eminently practical and pastoral to me, in this day of countless cameras.
And for the record, I have attended a Papal mass, but did not receive from the Pope. I didn’t take it personally. Except I did take it personally that Christ became incarnate for me, and made himself known to me in the flesh that day.
Maybe this is why we need lay Eucharistic Ministers, receivers of “the buck”.
I was listening to an author of a bio of Pope Francis on EWTN yesterday and the man said Pope Francis gets up at 4 am everyday and prays for two hours and has done so most of his life. His life is a testimony to authentic Christianity and is a true witness to what living a life in Christ demands. I’ve gone back to having my communion on the tongue even though I’m the only one in my church to do so, and I am so thankful for another blessed Pope walking in the footsteps of Pope Benedict Emeritus. Taking communion in the hand is prohibited at Pope Francis’ communions services. We can’t change other people’s behavior, but we can change our own and pray for those who are so blind to Truth.
This is probably just me, but I get offended when the Pope is refered to by his Former name without a good reason.
It would also seem to me that Pope Francis is more concerned about ‘socialist defined sins’ than other sins. I detect almost a liberation theology type view from his writting, which might particular to his part of his former vineyard.
No, apparently it isn’t just you ! It would seem there are many such pope wannabes contributing here and I’m greatly saddened by the constant criticism and backbiting concerning our new pope. Is this how you talk about your own father? Where is your compassion or respect? This is the vicar of Christ and you sound like Martin Luther attacking him.
If you mean in the article, it is because the conversation was held and the book priblished in 2010 before he become Pope.
In one of the Gospels, Jesus himself gives the Eucharist to Judas Iscariot — which is not to say Judas was “good,” but rather than the sin of Judas was his own, multiplied by the fact that he ‘broke bread’ with the Lord Jesus and still went on to betray Him!
Rather than the Holy Father not giving out Holy Communion to avoid being photographed with a notorious sinner, he should tell the world (including the notorious sinners!) that they should not approach the Eucharist unless and until they repent.
You are misinterpreting the Gospel, Michael.
Although he had plans, Judas had NOT yet betrayed Jesus at the last supper.
There was no scandal; it was secret.
The other Apostles had no clue what Judas intended at the time of the Last Supper until Jesus said so in the room.
Although God knows when someone receives Communion unworthily, the rest of us do not know about the others at Mass (unless there has been a public scandal).
We can talk about the applicable Canon law until the cows come home, but the question still remains, if the Pope is correct in sitting down and refraining from distributing communion, then how about all the other Cardinals, Bishops and priests? Should they follow his example, and sit down as well? And not distribute communion? Just like him?
CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.” Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
If a Pope or Cardinal or Bishop has his picture taken giving communion to a heretic or schismatic it gives more Scandal throughout the world, than a Priest doing the same.
The problem today is that many Cardinals, and Bishops participate in Sacrilege and Scandal by not enforcing Canon 915. – They have their picture taken giving Communion to the Joe Biden’s of this world.
The Pope is more newsworthy and his example is of more interest – on a world wide basis – than other clergy.
Those who wish to complain because the Pope did not give Holy Communion to Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi – known to all Catholics in the USA as heretics and schismatics – support the mortal sins of SACRILEGE and SCANDAL.
Biden and Pelosi are not merely repentant sinners (like all of us), these are publically and scandalously defying Church teaching while pretending to be good Catholics so they can get the Catholic vote. They are helping to kill unborn babies.
There is much more interest and much more publicity for anything the Pope says and does on a world wide basis, than other Clergy.
Look at those who have complained here who want him to participate in Sacrilege and Scandal by giving Communion to the likes of Biden and Pelosi.
These politicians are not repentant sinners (like the rest of us), they are heretics and schismatics known to most in the USA, and help to murder unborn innocents.
Gabe, I don’t think the bishops and cardinals give communion in these circumstances either. They use priests and deacons. I think, maybe I’m wrong. And the purpose is to avoid claims of Papal endoresement upon the person or the person’s causes. This makes sense to me. It is, after all, about Christ. Not about the Pope. It is Christ who makes himself available to the faithful, not the Pope. Eucharist consecrated by the Pope is no more Christ than Eucharist consecrated by the simplest of priests.
You got it right – ” the purpose is to avoid (FALSE) claims of Papal endorsement upon the person or the person’s causes.
This makes sense to me. It is, after all, about Christ. Not about the Pope.
It is Christ who makes himself available to the faithful, not the Pope. Eucharist consecrated by the Pope is no more Christ than Eucharist consecrated by the simplest of priests.”
Pictures speak louder than words.
This is getting more and more ridiculous!
Jesus sat down with sinners and ate with them — not to “endorse” their behavior, but to touch their hearts and move them toward holiness.
Jesus allowed a woman of ill repute to wash his feet and then dry them with her hair — not because he “favored” immoral behavior, but because he wanted to be present to those who needed to purify their lives.
Jesus should be the model for our Pope, our Bishops, and indeed for all of us — we should allow the media to control, squash, or minimize our ministry. Pope John Paul II publicly scolded a Latin American Priest who had gotten involved in politices against his orders — if someone is KNOWN to be a sinner, the Holy Father can deal with that rather than just sitting down to avoid the paparazzi getting a picture of him giving Communion to some nut.
“moving towards holiness” is not happening today, Michael … because the bishops are by and large not holy.
Skai – that is precisely why we must all teach and pass on the Faith accurately through encouraging others to read the Bible and the CCC.
(Because many US Diocese Bishops do NOT do their jobs.)
“We must all teach and pass on on the Faith accurately through encouraging others to read the Bible and the CCC.”
Other than including the CCC, this sounds a lot like the Southern Baptist tradition, or non-denominational Christianity.
At least in the Roman Catholic Church where I was raised, authority rests in the priests and bishops. Sacraments and the grace they confer are valid if validly performed, even if the priest himself is a grave sinner. Though encouraged to explore and question, I always check my findings with my pastor.
No one is perfect. A bishop or priests sins do not matter when it comes to teaching the Faith (except if there is Scandal). Many bishops and priests in the USA do not know or care to teach the Faith in entirety.
They still have the authority you spoke of, unless they teach against the Magisterium’s Catechism (CCC), or leave out parts of the Faith.
“In this Year of Faith let us ask ourselves if we have actually taken a few steps to get to know Christ and the truths of faith more, by reading and meditating on the Scriptures, studying the Catechism, steadily approaching the Sacraments.” – Pope Francis, May 15, 2013.
Christine:
Why do you say “Many bishops and priests in the USA do not know or care to teach the Faith in entirety?” There may be plenty of evidence that their political perspective is dfferent from yours, or that even that they are trying to teach you something different from what you think you ought to learn. What bothers me is the judgement (and this is not to say you are in any way unique in this) that somehow the priests and bishops are deficient, and that you, though you didn’t study in the seminary, can assess both their knowledge and their concern. It flies against reason both to claim they don’t “know” the faith and that they don’t “care to teach” it.
If what a priest, bishop or pope is trying to teach you or teach me is different from what I believe now, there’s a discrepancy. But doesn’t it make more sense to suppose this discrepancy reflects something about the student than about the teacher? Why jump to the conclusion that these “bishops and priests in the USA do not know or care to teach the Faith in entirety”?
This is where I see danger in excessive reliance upon reading scriptures or the CCC without proper guidance. For those without a strong relationship with a well trained spiritual director (probably 90 percent or more of Catholics) it is too easy to come to an ideosyncratic interpretation that does not comport with Tradition, and which then makes it seem as though there’s something wrong with the priests and bishops.
The internet did not exist 2000 years ago.
Michael do you believe that SACRILEGE and SCANDAL are both Mortal Sins or not?
Do you want the Pope to participate in SACRILEGE and SCANDAL?
Apparently you still have not read on the net the
recommended: “WORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles” 2004 – by Cardinal Ratzinger;
and
“DISCIPLINE REGARDING the DENAIL of HOLY COMMUNION to those OBSTIANTELY PERSERVERING in MANIFEST GRAVE SIN” – by Most Rev. Raymond L. Burke.
Then read the CCC regarding SACRILEGE, and SCANDAL, so you will clearly understand the meaning.
Then read the “Code of Canon Law” on the Vatican web site.
Michael if you are not willing to educate yourself – you will never be satisfied, and try to continue to confuse others in the public media.
This is to me a most PROFOUND story. And I applaud CalCatholic for bringing it to our attention. For this Pope is the REAL DEAL, at least for me. He’s so refreshingly NOT P.C. and it shows from the modes of transportation he’s chosen in the past to how he’s called in person to cancel personal services rendered, etc. And very recently he’s apparently BLASTED the secular whores of world crony capitalism, denouncing them for their voracious and continuous lust for profit at any and all cost. Should we think George Soros here and his stooge in the W.H., never-met-an-abortion-he-disliked Barack H Obama? Ya think? Personally, if he ever visits the evolved Leviathon state now known as the U.S. of A., (BTW, G.K. Chesterton once said “once abolish the God and the government becomes the ‘god’) I hope that Pope Francis will invoke Canon 915 and STOP the Catholic apostates, Biden and Pelosi, among others, from receiving the Sacred Species. But the NEXT best thing I think he could do if the papal visit transpires is to instruct the various folks who would distribute Holy Communion to BAR the usual suspects from profaning the Queen Sacrament by publicly trying to receive. All would then sense that these abovementioned Catholic pro-aborts were CALLED OUT (and deservedly so) for such transgressions. But perhaps it’s just me, I’m so (sob-sob) INTOLERANT and not advocating the continuously cited need for priests, etc., to be “pastoral,” to these public apostates, and not be “mean” to them (more sob-sob). Sorry, peeps, I’m from a different philosophical mindset; the Catholic Church needs to return to “TOUGH LOVE” Catholicism practiced more or less in the “GOLDEN AGE” of the thirties thru to the advent of Vatican II. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
Absolutely, Markrite, the only period in history when the Church was doing everything right was in the thirties as you point out.
Note, that the thirties was also the hayday of the moonshiners up in the hill country of many southern states.
Peeps?…another hallmark of the “buddha”….
Like I said, let the lay people give out Communion and the ordained from the Pope on down wouldn’t be giving scandal. What photo op would a little old lady EM provide in giving Communion to Nancy or Joe Biden?
caroline, the “photo op” would be an announcement that communion was no longer sacred and had not serious meaning. Next question?
What a difference between Pope Francis and the American bishops who knowingly allow abortionist homosexualist politicians to legislate baby killing and sodomy during the week and receive the Holy Eucharist on Sundays.
Juergenson: Who has Pope Francis denied communion to, that the American Bishops permitted reception of the Sacrament? Is there a single solitary example?
Juergensen, I don’t get what you think the big difference is. In both cases — pope and whatever bishops you are dissatisfied with — they state the tradition, they tell us collectively (and sometimes individually) how to form our consciences, and then the leave it up to us to receive the Holy Eucharist on Sundays or not. What is different?
I am not aware of any pope using the terms “abortionist” or “homosexualist.” Can you quote an example? And, presuming you can’t find such an example, why do you use those terms if the pope you presumably admire doesn’t?
The Holy Father should distribute the Eucharist, hear Confessions, baptize people, administer the Sacrament of Confirmation, and perform Ordinations.
These are the reasons he was ordained.
If one starts to worry too much about “what if” and “oh, my” then our faith gets paralized and priests will hide in the rectories rather than celebrating the Sacraments, afraid that sinners will approach them.
MIchael thank you for this perspective. My posts on here probably take a differnt tac than yours, but Still, I think there is value in hearing out the different points of view.
I think I have enjoyed the back and forth on this discussion more than any other on CCD. Folks here really seem to be struggling with an issue together, rather than staking our definitive claims to truth.
Thank you!
No Priest was ordained to knowingly commit SACRILEGE and/or SCANDAL which are MORTAL SINS.
Knowingly participating in the Sacrilege and Scandal of others makes a Priest just as guilty.
Michael, you have confusion in your own personal version of the Faith.
It is clear that you are stubborn and refuse to educate yourself by reading.
You seem to just want to complain and support Sacrilege and Scandal.
You refuse to read: “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles” 2004 by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict.
And you refuse to read – “Discipline Regarding the Denial of Holy Communion to Those Obstinately Persevering in Manifest Grave Sin”.
You have been given good advice, yet you spurn it.
Until you know the Faith much better, do not try to tell the Holy Father what he must and must not do. I respectfully suggest that you look after your own Soul, so you will better understand mortal sin, right and wrong.
The ordained ministers of our Church (i.e., Deacons, Priests and Bishops) are to preach the Word of God and celebrate the Sacraments — not hide in the sacristy on the off chance that some nut with a camera will catch them making a mistake.
The SCANDAL and SACRILEGE of which many people on this site rightfully complain is caused by those who approach the Eucharist unworthily, not by the Holy Father (or any other Bishop or Priest) doing his duty in administering the Sacraments.
If the Pope knows someone should not receive Holy Communion (e.g., a non-Catholic in line, a notorious sinner in line, a heretic in the Communion line), Pope Francis should not give that person the Host but rather say “God bless you” or something similar.
Just F.Y.I., I greatly admire our new Holy Father and love him; this particular issue (of not giving out the Eucharist when he’s celebrating Holy Mass) is the ONLY item with which I disagree, and my disagreement on this subject does not make me a trouble-maker, a heretic, or someone who condones sacrilege.
As I’ve said today, and in all my previous pots, I firmly believe the Pope (and others giving out Holy Communion during Mass) should protect the integrity of the Sacrament by refusing to give the Eucharist to those not worthy to receive it.
No Michael those who knowingly PARTICIPATE in SCANDAL and SACRILEGE are equally guilty.
When you are wrong it does not matter what you believe. If you would stop yakking and start reading the two documents posted by others you might understand.
This has also been posted by others. Do you understand this?
CCC: ” 1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
– by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
– by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
– by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
– by protecting evil-doers.
Michael, if you truly love the Holy Father you will stop criticizing his judgment as Pope – of course unless you think you know more than he does.
Surprisingly, the Bible notes for us that God actually carries on conversations with His faithful, and allows questions, arguments, and even wagers with such people. Of course those who click their heels mindlessly at every burp that proceeds from the mouth of a pope wouldn’t know this.
Sorry Michael, I have little tolerance for some guy on the internet who thinks his judgment is greater than that of the Holy Father.
And wants heretics and schismatics to be able to promote their agendas with pics of them with our Pope.
When you feel that you want to be responsible for a billion Souls of all kinds of various cultures and various backgrounds all over the world – let us know.
Pope Francis should set a good example to other Bishops by doing his job and doing it well — for example, distributing Communion as an ORDINARY Minister of the Eucharist, and refusing to give the Host to those he knows to be notorious sinners.
If all our Bishops refused to give Holy Communion because they didn’t want to be photographed with the wrong person, this would be awful — they would be sitting on their rear ends, with EXTRAODINARY Ministers of the Eucharist doing what the Bishops themselves should be doing.
You are at it again Michael, telling the Pope what to do without understanding that he is responsible for different cultures throughout the world.
Get off it, most of us will never agree with you.
You do have a great idea – – – In the USA it would be good for Cardinals and Bishops to only give Holy Communion to Priests and Deacons.
It would stop Cardinal Wuerl from giving Holy Communion to Pelosi (I’ve seen that picture).
It would stop Cardinal O’Malley from giving Holy Communion to the likes of Ted Kennedy (remember that picture?).
It would stop Cardinal Dolan from giving Holy Communion to Joe Biden and Gov. Cuomo (these pics are very recent).
DOTTIE you give a very important point of view….I think we are all guilty of trying to tell the Pope what to do…if we did what Christ has asked us to do…we would approach our church leaders like little children and they would be held even more accountable for misleading or causing more confusion.
The Pope, like every Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion, SHOULD distribute the Eucharist, not pass it off to others.
If he is afraid of unworthy people approaching him, he should have people posted who can weed them out, or point them out to him, so he can give a blessing instead.
By sitting on his chair, he is NOT preventing the Eucharist from being desecrated, he is merely allowing it to be desecrated by someone ELSE. This is not helpful, not logical, and does nothing to protect the integrity of the Sacrament.
Mike’s post is TOTALLY spot on!…Good show Mike!
Thank you, Miguelito.
You are one of the few who understand I’m not attacking the Holy Father, but simply disagreeing with his decision to let the paparazzi dictate how he carries out his ministry.
If the integrity of the Eucharist is to be protected, it should be protected by EVERYONE involved in this important ministry: Deacons, Priests, Bishops, and Extraordinary Ministers of Communion. Not just the Holy Father!
The Orthodox Christians (e.g., Serbian, Coptic, etc.) do not permit just any Tom, Dick or Harry to approach Communion, but are careful in their practice – if necessary, we should learn some of their methods.
Michael, finally we agree that Canons 915 and 1399 MUST be upheld.
However, unless you can provide documentation from official Church documents – that the POPE MUST do this or that – your personal opinion means nothing. I’m not picking on you since this is the same for all of us.
CCC: “2089 . . . SCHSIM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
(Be careful of Miguelito. Based upon some of his recent posts, he is a ringer.)
The popes are not bound by written words, but are the most authoritative interpreters of such words. Protestants and protestant-Catholics like to exalt documents over the heads of popes; however, popes are the heads of the documents. The Ten Commandments, for example, did not create God, but God created them. Church doctrines do not create popes, but popes create Church documents. The popes are the authorities, not the documents.
Sorry Mike…as usual you are wrong!…I am a member in good standing with the Catholic Church!…I follow all of her teachings, and visit the confessional monthly, and the communion rail “almost” weekly…be careful judging the motives and sanctity of other people…you are beginning to sound like a “pharisee”…with ever wider “phylacteries”…if you get my drift
What carp, Li’l Mikey, saying you follow all the Church teachings! The Church does not teach professing stuff that you have no or incorrect knowledge of, and then using this deception to advocate or criticize doctrinal conversations.
He implied I was a “ringer” for schismatic…you and this other Phylactery wearer better bone up on your theology and church history…I’ve read your post’s Skai…basically it is a hodge-podge of mumbo-jumbo you make up as you go along…it is entertaining…I just hope you don’t teach catechism to those receiving the sacraments …
WHY THE CELEBRANT (E.G., POPE, PASTOR, ETC.) SHOULD DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION TO THE FAITHFUL:
The Minister of Holy Communion
26. By virtue of his sacred ordination, the bishop or priest offers the sacrifice in the person of Christ, the Head of the Church. He receives gifts of bread and wine from the faithful, offers the sacrifice to God, and returns to them the very Body and Blood of Christ, as from the hands of Christ himself. (39) Thus bishops and priests are considered the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion. In addition the deacon who assists the bishop or priest in distributing Communion is an ordinary minister of Holy Communion. When the Eucharist is distributed under both forms, “the deacon ministers the chalice.” (40)
27. In every celebration of the Eucharist there should be a sufficient number of ministers for Holy Communion so that it can be distributed in an orderly and reverent manner. Bishops, priests, and deacons distribute Holy Communion by virtue of their office as ordinary ministers of the Body and Blood of the Lord. (41)
Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion
28. When the size of the congregation or the incapacity of the bishop, priest, or deacon requires it, the celebrant may be assisted by other bishops, priests, or deacons. (42) If such ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are not present, “the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, i.e., formally instituted acolytes or even some of the faithful who have been commissioned according to the prescribed rite. In case of necessity, the priest may also commission suitable members of the faithful for the occasion.”
The Pope always gives out Holy Communion at his Masses. Have you never watched them on EWTN?
Michael, next time try it prior to insinuating that he does not.
He is careful to whom he gives out Holy Communion. Holy Communion is sacred and should not be used for photo-ops with dissident politicians and other heretics and schismatics.
Where I attend mass, we don’t have “lay” minister’s giving communion, only the pastor does…at my traditional parish, we wouldn’t have it any other way!
FROM THE BLOG OF ROMAN CATHOLIC IMPERIALIST:
What to say? Does not anybody else get this? So the Pope refuses to give out communion lest any public sinners get in line to receive communion by the hands of the Pope – so the Pope sits down during the communion of the faithful and allows someone else to distribute communion to the unrepentant sinners standing in line?
So the Pope saves face by not administering communion to some public sinner because there will be no scandalous photo taken – is it all about that? pope does not give out communion so there will be no photo opt? Media crisis adverted? But isn’t a crime committed anyway? I mean if a public sinner stands in line to receive the Blessed Sacrament should he not be removed? And if the perp is not removed then the notorious sinner reaches his objective and receives communion in the hand and eats the body and blood off Christ in a state of mortal sin. Is it not true then that sacrilege is committed and scandal done?
Is not God offended by the evil reception of the sacrament by public sinner?
Just because Pope Francis does not give out the communion does not mean that the abuse is not committed. Does not anyone understand this?