The following is an email exchange initiated by a California diocese official (B.) with a lay Catholic man, also in California (A.).
Sept 12
Hi A.,
Our phone tag has been going on for so long that I can’t remember who is it. I do thank for returning my calls over the last few weeks.
All kidding aside, Sr. Helen Prejean would have some time to meet with you on the afternoon of Monday, October 1st. Would you have time to meet with Sr. Helen and an interest in discussing possible support for the “Yes on Proposition 34” Campaign? If so, please let me know, and I’ll have the campaign set up a meeting.
Attached is Bishop C. ‘s [a California ordinary] Op-Ed on the Prop. 34 campaign. I thought you might like to have a copy.
Blessings,
B.
Sept 12
Dear B.,
I’m sorry if the missed phone calls are my fault.
To be honest, I don’t think meeting with me re Prop. 34 is a good use of your and Sister Prejean’s time.
Plus, for Catholics, especially the official Church, working with the ACLU is as odious as joining with the Nazi party or KKK on a project, no matter how admirable the project.
Sincerely,
A.
Sept 12
Thanks, A.,
I’ll let the group know.
B.
Sept 14
Dear B.,
Sorry my reply was brief.
I realized later you may not know some of the actions of the ACLU that make them comparable to the Nazis or KKK. And why I have to decline to meet with you and Sister Prejean on behalf of this ACLU death penalty project.
(I would be uncomfortable joining with Nazis or KKK if they wanted to work together on parental notification or a fetal pain initiative.)
Here is a little background:
1. The ACLU is Planned Parenthood’s partner and aggressive legal thug in eradicating any old laws and blocking new laws protecting conscience rights, “religious freedom”, marriage, unborn babies, minor children, and non-secular education in the USA and especially in California.
e.g. ACLU teamed with Planned Parenthood to form The Committee to Defend Reproductive Rights (CDRR) which led the campaign to provide virtually unrestricted California taxpayer funding for any abortions in California – without any residence, age, or means testing. This law makes no exceptions and requires Catholic bishops, priests, and lay people to be fiscal accomplices in abortion. The Hyde Amendment and all similar federal restrictions on abortion funding have had no effect in California. This has caused California to have the most of the taxpayer funded abortions in the USA — far more than all other 49 states combined!
About 1/4 of all the abortions in the USA are in California which has about 1/8 of the US population. The California rate is about twice the rate in the rest of the USA. Millions of taxpayer funded, “free”, pre-natal murders are particularly targeted at poor, young Latinas and Blacks in California.
2. ACLU + PP = CDRR litigated for 10 years to permanently block California’s Parental Consent law which was passed in 1987.
3. ACLU + PP campaigned against and litigated against the Parental Notification Propositions 73 (2005), 85 (2006) and 4 (2008)
4. ACLU + PP has constantly fought to allow the sexual exploitation of young children by providing them with secret taxpayer funded “free” birth control drugs and devices behind parents’ backs.
5. ACLU + PP has fought to effective block parents from protecting their young children from immoral and even pornographic sex education programs in California schools. This has led the corruption and destruction of California young people as evidenced by the high rates of STIs, pregnancies and abortions among California children, especially Latino and Black minorities.
6. ACLU defends pornography which damages young people, marriage, and families.
7. ACLU fights to purge religion, prayer, and religious symbols from all aspects of public life.
In short: ACLU is the strongest and most effective enemy of the Catholic Church and Christianity and Christian morality and the most effective promoter of a Culture of Death in the California and the USA.
Brother A is right. The ACLU is the Most effective promoter of the Culture of Death, as Pope JP2 used to call it.
If you go to sleep with dogs you will wake up with fleas.
Some dogs have fleas. Mine don’t. Who is spreading these rumors about dogs … Dogs are good and kind creatures; Jesus spoke well of them, that they comfort the afflicted. Think of the Hounds of Heaven and how they must feel every time the Canine family is insulted.
Gratias I’m afraid but in this case, it is far worst than fleas.
Lord I am losing hope in our church leadership, please help me. This is very troubling and I am grateful that someone would show the bishops error and of their ill ways. Truly disturbing…..I’m glad to know of this but I don’t know if it did any good.
Lord I am sorry that many of your children are doing deceitful things, I am so sorry, as a mum, I have to deal with teenagers and their testing years, but they are only young and don’t know better, it’s painful when they don’t do right and I can only imagine what you must feel when those within our church keep crucifying you with their bad will and actions. I only feel horrible inside because I get concerned what this is doing to your flock.
All I can say is that I turn to Mum Mary and ask her to remember the pain she felt when she saw Jesus being beaten, I can only imagine her pain to watch her son be treated that way…. I pray and hope that through her suffering and pain, that more will gain sufficient graces to help us turn away from sin. That we don’t forget the passion of Christ.
I love you Jesus, I am so sorry for this betrayal that is continuing to go on in our church, it hurts us so much, I know it breaks my heart and I feel helpless.
Abeca, The Lord hears your beautiful plea and your prayer. The more we love our Catholic Church, the more our heart is broken. Jesus’ Heart is broken also, and I know He wants us to suffer with Him. His Mother has given us the gift of seeing the truth. I know you have consecrated your family to her, she is the gift that Jesus has given to us for these momentous times. I hang on to her and her rosary, it is what she wants us to do. She says help me by your prayer and your love. God Bless You, in Her Heart of Love.
Thank you Carolyn. Your words are encouraging and very beautiful, they warmed my heart.
On November 16, 2011, California Catholic Daily reported a story on the Diocese of Orange and Immaculate Heart of Mary Parish in Santa Ana, Ca, hosting an event that was co-sponsored by the ACLU.
The title of CCD’s article was “Co-opting the Immigration Agenda’. The topic was “Intersectionality between GLBTQ and undocumented communities.” Other anti-Catholic groups also co-sponsered this event.
Apostates within the Church have already joined hands with this odious group.
Many people don’t know that the ACLU launched and managed the campaign for the SAFE (Safety, Accountability, and Full Enforcement) death penalty ban initiative which qualified for the November 6 ballot as PROPOSTION 34. To review some facts on that go to the California Catholic Daily archive or use GOOGLE to find the February 17, 2012 California Catholic Daily story “Death penalty repeal now headed for November ballot” This story gives some background facts on ACLU’s role in promoting the “Culture of Death”!
To see how deeply involved the ACLU is with abortion just use GOOGLE (or use your own favorite Internet search engine) to do a search on: “ACLU, abortion”. — Then, to see the central role ACLU plays in promoting “same sex marriage” and the homosexual indoctrination of school children, do an Internet search on: “ACLU, LGBT”
My sincere thanks to CCD for its recent notable increase in testosterone.
This is what it will take.
I am voting for the death penalty. It would be very effective if it were enforced. The ACLU and Bishops in tow have worked hand in glove for years to thwart the will of the people regarding the death penalty.
The anti-American ACLU once in a while will do something right to make themselves look good and they have sided with the Church on rare occasions, BUT they are still dangerous and as we should all agree to remove the death penalty, we have to be careful on who our “friends” are, after all, even the homosexuals for the most part, are against abortion. +JMJ+
What happened to the 2012 Parental Notification Initiative for this November 6 ballot??? In 2008, the Parental Notification Initiative, PROP 4, nearly passed with more than 48% YES votes — more than 6 million California voters voted YES on PROP 4. Some dioceses like San Diego launched well organized and sustained signature gathering for the “SAFE” death penalty ban initiative which was managed and well funded by the ACLU from the beginning in the Fall of 2011. Signatures were gathered jointly for the “SAFE” death penalty ban and the Parental Notification initiative for one or two Sundays in late February in many parishes even after the ACLU leaders announced that the “Safe” initiative had sufficient signatures to qualify. Then the Parental Notification signature effort seemed to be just dropped — or sabotaged — during the crucial months of March and April, after the ACLU “SAFE” initiative had finished gathering signatures. Then we learned in the first week of May that the Parental Notification initiative for 2012 couldn’t even get the signatures needed to qualify and would not even appear on this November 6 ballot! This is a tragedy!!! Thousands of unquestionably innocent babies will die each year who would have been saved by qualifying and passing the 2012 Parental Notification initiative. The lives of tens of thousands of young girls could have been saved from the corruption of Planned Parenthood’s promotion of “safe sex” birth control and abortions!!! WHAT HAPPENED??? Why don’t the Bishops and the priests care???
Please read the fine print on Prop 34. Elimination of the death penalty is merely the smoke screen for taxpayer funding of a partisan slush fund to be distributed at the sole discretion of the California Attorney General for rather vague ” law enforcement” purposes throughout the state. Reading between the lines, it means that this sole partisan politician can influence any hotly contested state assembly or state senate elections with taxpayer largesse. For all intents and purposes there is no death penalty currently in California nor has there been for many years. There has been single party rule here and with 2/3 majorities in assembly and senate plus increasingly onerous bars to petition measures it will become even more firmly entrenched. If you don’t believe this, why not a death penalty measure sans slush fund? Then, it could be supported by bipartisans.
The ACLU is nothing more than a bunch of unemployable lawyers who are anti everything – Any Church official who even talks to them should have their beliefs questioned – The death penalty should be enforced – This idea of these creeps enjoying three meals a day, individual TV and medical benefits the general public does not have is painful – What these individuals have done to their victims is ……….. – It seems to me that if a relative or friend of a religious or ACLU member was killed that their death penalty views would change to the positive – I believe Church teaching is very clear on this –
I always find it very enlightening to look at some of the individuals who belong to an organization. The ACLU is an especially interesting group to study. I looked at the website of ACLU of Northern California (aclunc.org) and found a statement regarding their employment policy. Most of it is the usual stuff, but at the end of the sentence stating their affirmative action policy is the phrase: “…persons who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or intersex are particularly urged to apply”. I wonder who of this group worked with the California Catholic Conference of Bishops to promote signature gathering for the proposition. Possibly it was Ned Dolejsi who instructs the California bishops on how to vote. He may have worked directly with Natasha Minsker, the ACLU Campaign Manager for signature gathering for the campaign and for the election campaign for Proposition 34. Minsker is described by Michael Petralis, a human rights blogger, as an “out bixexual”. Probably the bishops also worked with Assistant Campaign Manager, Ana Zamora, Death Penalty Focus, who is described on deathpenalty.org as “hired to work with Natasha Minsker of ACLU…..Ana lives in sunny Oakland with her wife, Stacey…” Zamora even gave presentations to Catholics snared into signature gathering for the proposition. Wonder if she brought her wife with her! What a heck of a sad state of affairs that the Catholic Church is indeed “lying down with dogs”.
I wish people would stop insulting dogs. Dogs are innocent and do not deserve to be associated with such deranged people.
The death penalty is moral and licit if administrated properly and with sufficient procedural safeguards and exhausing all legal appeals. It “renders each man his due” for the most serious crimes, like terriorism, mass murder, murder for hire, killling a police officer. The death penalty should be extremely limited in application.
The hallmark of the Christian is a sense of personal resonsbility. We should be responsible for our deeds, both good or evil.
As for the ACLU, even those guys can occasionally wind up on the same side as the Church. Remeber the old tagline “even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while”, or “even a stopped clock is right twice a day.”
Given them enough rope, and they will hang themselves. (it has been said of Christians)
Wow — Mr. A is terrific. Also, the diocesan “official” must be identified and fired. Further, any bishop that consorts with the ACLU (or KKK, or Nazi’s) must also be removed from his office. The Church simply must police and manage these relationships. Such a role would be a natural for Bishops Bruskewicz, now retiring from the Diocese of Lincoln. If the Church “officials” are free to pursue such political activities and goals, notwithstanding the related scandal, then why have a Church that has the standards professed by the Catholic Church? In other words, change the Church, or purge it — simple enough to do. Fine if the resulting Church is smaller, less affluent, and all the rest. At least it will be a legitimate Catholic Church, and not the political institution that it is now.
Unfortunately, this will not happen and the catastrophe which is destroying the institutional Church will continue. Of course, the Church will prevail — in the end — but likely not as anything we know now. Stop giving assets and time to these “officials’ and stand up and make a large noise to the Vatican and to the media about the feckless leadership in the Church today. Not tolerable!
Not surprising. Too many bishops are more worried about their seat of honor at the banquets of Democrats and are not at all worried about the souls of those entrusted to them, not the mention their own souls. May Our Lord have mercy upon us. +JMJ+
Does any true Catholic in their right mind still wonder why most of the faithful no longer put any stock in their “bishops”?
Had they put half this effort into Prop. 4, it would have passed. Prop 4 dealt with an intrinsic evil, this prop 34 does NOT!
I remember after the Holy Saturday 1989 Rescue at Westmoreland, the one with the most visible injuries by L.A.’s finest from that rescue, when told that the ACLU wanted to join in their Suit, told the Rescue leaders “if you crawl in bed with the Devil, I want nothing to do with the Suit”! That woke them up. What will it take to wake up our brain dead “bishops”?
May God have mercy on His Church in America today.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
This is so typical of the California bishop’s lobby, the CCC and their operatives. While they agonize about people who have been convicted of heinous crimes, they do not agonize over the murders of thousands of innocent unborn children. These people are morally derailed.
Thousands of unborn babies killed every year but the bishops are apparently more concerned about stopping a few murderers from being executed. On top of that, they get involved with the ACLU, an anti-Catholic, left wing hate group! May God have mercy on us.
I have a picture at my desk that shows the Propaganda Chief of the Nazi party during WWII (Gobbles?) and two bishops in full cassok (sic) and red cap giving the Sig Heil salute. It reminds me that politics ususally comes before anything else.
Hey, the Church does not have to become Jewish on account of the Nazi persecution of them. Read Acts about this problem of apparently persistent attempts to Ejudicate the Church. It was not only Abraham’s son Isaac who was given a great promise by God, but also his son Ismael.
All of us together can reverse the situation in the USA, regardless of some unfaithful Diocese Bishops.
We must stop the suppression of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” by actively promoting the reading of the Bible and the CCC.
On internet go to ” What Catholics REALLY Believe Source “. Pass this link to everyone you know.
Take action regarding the answer to question #1.
“Some” unfaithful bishops? How about 2/3 of the US bishops pushing Obama, abortion and sodomy planks included? How about the “American Pope” Cdl Dolan throwing his nieces to the sex wolves in a public joking session? Ever heard the term “temple prostitution”?
The highest German court just ruled, with the German bishops jumping for joy, that any registered Catholic who opts out of the Church tax, will not be allowed the Sacraments. How’s this for simony?