The following comes from an August 6 story on Volokh.com.
From Nava v. Safeway, Inc. (Cal. Ct. App. July 31, 2013), an interesting illustration of what can happen under statutes protecting private employees against employer retaliation based on the employees’ political speech or beliefs:
Defendant Safeway, Inc. …, a large supermarket chain, frequently displayed thematic posters in its stores and distribution centers as a way of promoting a corporate policy of diversity. In June 2009, a new poster entitled “GAY/LESBIAN PRIDE MONTH” was displayed by Safeway in the employee break room of its distribution center in Merced, California, where plaintiff Juan Nava was employed.
Plaintiff was offended by the poster and removed it. When his supervisors confronted him about removing the company poster, plaintiff explained that he disagreed with the poster’s political message. It appeared to plaintiff that Safeway was taking sides in the statewide political debate over same-sex marriage, a matter on which plaintiff had strong convictions. One week after this conversation took place, Safeway terminated plaintiff’s employment….
The key question in this case is: was that the reason he was fired? Or, on the other hand, was plaintiff fired for removing and disposing of Safeway’s poster? If it was the latter, we agree with the trial court that Safeway was within its rights in terminating plaintiff’s employment. We briefly elaborate why that is so….
As the trial court correctly pointed out, Safeway had a right of free speech and was clearly entitled to display the subject poster in this case. Additionally, we agree with the trial court that merely displaying a poster with a political message was not a violation of Labor Code sections 1101 and 1102….
Consequently, when plaintiff removed the poster and discarded it into the wash room, he was, in effect, interfering with Safeway’s right to free expression. Obviously, the mere fact that he disagreed with Safeway’s real or apparent political views did not give him a right to remove Safeway’s property or censor its free speech….
On the other hand, it is possible under the allegations that the poster incident was not the real reason for plaintiff’s termination. According to plaintiff’s first amended complaint, when plaintiff was confronted about his removal of the poster, he explained to two Safeway managers that he took down the poster because he was “extremely bothered” by the political agenda Safeway was apparently promoting by displaying the poster (e.g., same — sex marriage). Allegedly, when the managers heard plaintiff’s explanation, they reacted by expressing “disapproval of [p]laintiff’s position.” One week later, plaintiff was fired.
Under these allegations, construed liberally, one theory of plaintiff’s case was that he was fired because of the political perspective or cause that he identified with and espoused in his discussion with Safeway’s managers. If plaintiff was fired for his particular political perspective, affiliation or cause of favoring Proposition 8 or being against same — sex marriage, so that it may be inferred that (as plaintiff alleged) Safeway was in effect declaring that the espousal or advocacy of such political views will not be tolerated — then Safeway’s action constituted a violation of Labor Code sections 1101 and 1102. [Footnote: We are not saying an employee is entitled to get away with malicious words or disruptive or offensive conduct in the workplace by calling it political.] …
[P]laintiff’s declaration averred that when he met with Safeway’s managers about the poster incident, he expressed to them his disagreement with “the political message” of the poster and explained that there were others who stood with him and shared this same political perspective. The fact that plaintiff was abruptly terminated after making such disclosures to Safeway regarding his political beliefs during a time period in this state when issues such as Proposition 8 and same — sex marriage were “hotly contested political issue[s],” combined with other circumstances, permits a reasonable inference that his termination was based on the political views he expressed.
Those other circumstances include: plaintiff’s employment longevity; his coemployees’ observation that he was a thorough and conscientious worker; receiving the ultimate sanction of termination for discarding a company poster without receiving any verbal or written warning, or lesser sanction; Mr. Davis and Mr. Fuentes were suspended rather than terminated after being confronted by Mr. Bullard, who told Mr. Davis he didn’t agree with the poster’s message either; and, while plaintiff told management he “did not wish to have the poster back in the break room,” Mr. Fuentes was only suspended for three days even though he threatened management that “if they were going to put the poster up again, that [he] would do that again to the poster.”
….The trial court was of the opinion that it was precluded from considering the issue of Safeway’s motive in terminating plaintiff’s employment. To the contrary, as we have made clear, Safeway’s motive or reason for terminating plaintiff’s employment is the dispositive factual issue in this case….
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According to a 2011 story in the Merced Sun-Star, Nava has not been able to find other work and has lost his home to foreclosure.
Nava might be able to sue Safeway for defamation of character, ie the association of the gay poster and the fact that Nava had to work near it; thus, Safeway made Nava a representative of the vile gay/lezbo political and religious movement. This would also violate Nava’s civil rights under the 14th Amendment, and his Bill of Rights, namely the 1st Amendment, and also the Amendment in the Bill of Rights guaranteeing him freedom of association (1st also?). Safeway owners need jail time and paying every last penny they have title to to the Pro Life and Propostion 8 organizations.
…and the devil laughed. Your seared conscience makes me fear for you, poor man. Truly, I’m not being condescending when I ask that if you died tomorrow, do you think you will be with our beautiful Lord? Will you be able to withstand the piercing light of truth? I hope you have a mother that prays for you, friend.
No need to be condescending, Dana. Just laughing at the absurdity of the advised course of action . . . the guy was canned for routine insubordination. That’s why he wasn’t given a warning, like the others. No federal case here. Nava is just trying to save face rather than taking responsibility for his actions; and he desperately needs the cash. There’s a reason no one has subsequently hired him and it’s not because he’s “homophobic”. Nava has nothing to lose; but he should be thanking Safeway for not making his HR file public , which it will be if he drags this through the courts. But anything to demonize the gays, huh? huh?
“Advised course of action”? peter, you gays are so dumbed down that you take every iota of ideas as political policy statements. But you gay cannot comprehend the activity known in modern day as “scientific method” … observation, hypothesis, experiment, conclusion, repeat until process covers all the bases.
Persecution comes. Will you choose Christ or the comforts of this world?
VERY GOOD AND PERTINENT QUESTION!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr Fisher …..this is called White Martyrdom….we join the suffering with Christ…does not have to include blood but the sufferings we have to deal with because of our convictions in Christ.
Salvation comes. Christ chose me in Baptism. The Comforter came after the Ascension, so yes, I am comforted even while in this world.
YFC, your account of the Gospel is somewhat wanting. You should read and study the rest of it, so that you don’t languish in presumption.
Skai, I did not ask you for your critique of my “account of the Gospel”, though that is hardly what I claimed my post was supposed to be. You might want to use your 10 daily comments to greater edification of our community.
Obviously, Safeway’s management consider this employee’s reaction a dismissible offense. Any opposition to the Zeitgeist is now unforgivable. Soon, any criticism of the homosexual life-style will be branded a hate crime. We have come to this juncture in a mere dozen years. Remember who enacted the Defense of Marriage Act, it was a democrat by the name of Clinton. He, like all others in his party, has now also “evolved”. As regards Safeway, I shall go take my business somewhere else…
Please let us know what other supermarket chains are part of Safeway. Von’s carries Safeway brands.
I guess the stupid unions won’t defend him since they are big supporters of the Democratic party. They violated a lot of rules by firing this employee…by their contract they can not get fired without being written up several times for the same thing.
Good for Safeway!
Ironic name, “Safeway”, for a sodomite store loaded with sodomite management. No doubt we’ll soon be reading reports of forced gay sex in the Safeway back offices.
And why, pray tell, is that an attaboy, “Good for Safeway”, Mr Miles?
Not all Safeways are this way….there are Christian managers on some other ones and this is not happening there…
There were at one time faithful Godly people in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, also. But they all left.
Juan has no case, nor is this a place for the courts (or Cal-Catholic for that matter). He could quit or complain. Safeway can do the same. Barring breach of contract, if an employee can quit on a moment’s notice, an employer ought to be able to do the same. It’s called Freedom.
Hymie, you mean it’s your socialist freedom to tyrannize others. It’s not real freedom. Real freedom cannot exist where there is sin, and sodomy is the bottom of the barrel of sin.
I have stopped spending any money at target, home depot, starbucks, mcdonald’s…I used to be a faithful customer at safeway, but if I’m anywhere near a safeway they join the ranks of companies who would rather destroy the family, the Church and tradition in America rather than run a business. They’re telling Christians, Jews and muslims that they care more about one specific group than they do us, and they would rather shove it in your face than simply provide goods and services. Maybe someone should clue them in this isn’t nazi germany yet and that they’re supposedly a business, not a government agency. It’s still all so bizaare that I can’t take it in what is happening to this country. It’s like a massive societal mental illness. In Michael Obrien’s book A Father’s Tale, he writes about the Russians…’A hundred years ago Dostoyevsky wrote that the intelligentsia were in the grip of some madness of negation. Now, the madness has become institutionalized…’ That seems to be happening here, and it is suicidal and utterly inexplicable why a government wants to destroy our society to support anal sex. It is all about one’s sexual preferences and one’s sociopathic view of the world and one’s place in it. To say it is a human rights issue is to debase human rights with something so pathetic and selfish that it is utterly sick. No one can feel safe in such a society…not even homosexuals.
Dana it’s not all of them…..trust me when I tell you this. If your local Vons didn’t have those posters up then you can rest about that. Depending on who is the manager and who is running the store….best that you get to know your store manager at your local Safeway. You can avoid the liberal ones.
What people don’t understand is that because (especially in California) these stores usually have their hands tied because of current laws in place, gayness is a protected disorder. So depending on the manager and what agenda he/she may have…depends on what kind of big fuss they make…what they can do is transfer the employee to another store. My heart goes out to the employee but I hope he sues still.
Thanks Abeca. I have always thought they were a really great grocery chain. We don’t have them here in the midwest & I’m only able to shop there when I”m out West anyway. I’ve even gotten my organic/food co-op daughter-in-law to shope there once in a while. I’m glad I don’t have to give up Safeway salsa and cheese when I’m out there. haha
If Juan Nava was “fired” from this country for being an illegal, his bishop would defend him. Will his bishop defend Mr. Nava now for standing up for a Sacrament?
Soon vile filthy sodomites will be the only permitted class, and heterosexuals will be illegal, allowed to exist solely to the extent they can reproduce boys for the sodomites to rape.
The Catholic Church once exercised a great deal of influence over popular culture. This all changed in the 1960’s when the Church decided not to convert the world, but to get along with it. As a result, the average American family today is NOT like what was portrayed by FATHER KNOWS BEST, but rather like MARRIED WITH CHILDREN. The Church’s silence on morality issues has meant that the devil’s influence has increased. American Airlines was one of the first companies to give benefits to homosexual couples. Now almost all companies do so. The media praises Ellen D. and Whoopie G for their outrageous and scandalous actions, but let someone say something politically incorrect, then that person is branded for life as being intolerant, and is fired from his job. We Catholics cannot boycott all the liberal stores and companies that promote immorality, but we can let our voices be heard. But by sitting back and by letting others do the work, this nonsense will continue. Until the Catholic Church once again becomes a teacher and a role model, the immorality and destruction of good consciences will increase, and mankind will fall deeper and deeper into the sewer of filth and depravity..
This morning on the history military channel they showed how Hitler went about shaping the culture so that he could take over. The Nazi’s used specific harmless sounding words to ideologically indoctrinate the people of Germany. Hitler allowed only certain music, he burned art and books and then he burned people. “In 1933, extensive Nazi violence occurred against Catholics due to the their association with the Centre Party and their opposition to the Nazi regime’s sterilization laws The Nazis demanded that Catholics declare their loyalty to the German state.” – Wikipedia
Today’s words to shape the culture are “pride” “choice” “diversity” “marginalize”. Yes they sound simple enough and taken individually their meanings are understood but the indoctrinating reasoning behind the steady drumbeat of rhetorical usage of such words are as deadly and lethal as the gas ovens. History is repeating itself and the culture is following the indoctrination. Sacred Scripture is falling into place. Luke Chapter 18:6 “And the Lord said: Hear what the unjust judge saith.  And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard?  I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?” God Bless you Father Karl and thank you for your excellent truthful post. May the Immaculate Heart of Mary continue to aid and comfort her favored sons who are our Catholic priests.
The Catholic church banned music, burned books and people, too.
Somebody banned music, burned books and people … the heart of the question can be addressed only when knee jerk empty headed media mushrooms like “history lesson” look into what does “Catholic Church” mean, and then explore the different explanations. But at some point only an honest heart would admit the whole thing has to be evaluated from God’s point of view … so “honest ?”, you seem to be a nube at this sort of intellectual adventure … and are yakking about something you have no information on. Now, what are you going to do about your ignorance and bigotry?
history lesson what a twisted post you just made….quite the garbage! There is your comment and after that….there is the real truth and yours is not!
History lesson, so have most of the religions of the world and even atheists countries too, so welcome to the human race. I guess you will just have to deal with it.
It will take the Chastisement now. Only the destruction of 2/3rds of the world population will clean this mess up.
Have you read about the mystery priest who appeared from nowhere to anoint a young girl trapped in a vehicle? The composite looks very much like Fr. John Houle, S.J.!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
What this employee should of done was just filed a complaint with HR letting them know he was offended by the poster instead of taking it about himself to rip store property. Usually HR is good about things when employees feel offended especially on those agendas that are controversial. But since he destroyed the poster, that was considered company property and he may have lost there. But this would be a good lesson for this company because it will teach them to remain neutral and stay away from controversial topics. So I applaud this gentleman for being a true man and noble person with a moral conscience…I can see how this controversial agenda can tick anyone off. Hopefully this company will make right, if not, then I pray that God will guide this employee to fighting this, no matter what the outcome is….it should teach them a lesson…..
Another thing, for those who care….please write to their main head quarters and file a complaint in defense of this employee…you can make a wrong done on a person of faith, by helping them too….so write your complaints…Safeway doesn’t want to lose customers and making a big fuss over this can sure teach them something! So Dana write that letter to the main headquarters in Lost Angelas, CA…..
It’s probably better just to mind one’s own business on this one.
“It’s probably better just to mind one’s own business on this one.”
That is exactly what a sodomite or sodomite supporter would want us to do!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
It’s what any reasonable person would want you to do.
peter you have it all wrong….when one walks with Christ….your view as to what is reasonable is not from Christ….so we must follow Jesus not what you feel is right…..notice I said “feel”…let that go and follow Jesus!
Love Jesus more than your homosexuality!
I’m thinking Chick-fil-A. Companies staying away from controversial subjects. Etc.
There is nothing controversial about marriage between a man and a woman. Most likely that is how you got here YFC, unless your parents were not married. Still it takes one man and one woman to have a child not matter how the child is conceived.
That is a fact that some very foolish people try to ignore.
Anniem, the following brands are also under the Safeway umbrella. In California there is also Pak n’Save, as well as Pavilions. In Texas there are Tom Thumb, Randalls, and Simon David. In the Chicago area there are Dominicks, and in other states there are also Carrs, and Genuardi’s, Safeway is the second largest food chain after Kroger (Ralph’s). Let us pray they will have a change of heart and offend God no longer.
Father Karl, should employees be allowed to deface property where they work? Would you support his man? Would you support a man that defaced a “Black History Month” poster? You can’t stop people from hating groups of people but employers don’t really have to keep employees that feel the need to express their hate in such an open manner. Do you think that an employee like that would give equal service to a black or gay customer? Many would probably not want to serve black or gay customers.
Mark from PA: To draw an analogy between blacks and gays is entirely spurious, and you know it!
They are both part of the human family.
PA, gays were never lynched as a matter of policy, never declared 2/3 human by the government, never enslaved (unless by their perverted choice) there is no comparison and never will be. I know black guys who explode in rage at this comparison and I do not blame them.
Gays are not human because “gay” is an idea, not a person. Blacks are human. PA, you have to stop your trysting with dark angels; no wonder your wife is angry at you.
Are unmedicated “schizophrenics” who pose no harm to themselves or others, human, Skai?
Peter, unmedicated schizophrenics do not have Schozophenic Pride Days, nor do people with split-personalities nor do thieves, gossipers, adulterers,etc. If there are such special days for those with mental illnesses or sinful behavior, it is a day celebrating treatment to stop them. There’s the difference. When we start celebrating our character defects, we are in trouble as a nation.
You are right on that, Mark PA, but Canisius is speaking from having been abused as a young person by lesbians.
Anne T, clearkly you missed my point. Another good example of when people should mind their own business.
Mark, please remember that people who are repelled by the sin of homosexual behavior are not to be seen as haters, although there are a few who do deserve that appellation. Most of us care for the human beings we see suffering from this affliction and wish they would denounce it, since it is not only unhealthy and reflects disordered thinking and behavior, it is, my brother, a sin. Grievous sin, as homosexual behavior is, of course separates us from being chosen to spend eternity in the embrace of Our Lord, and thus those who celebrate this sort of sin are abhorrent to those of us who believe in Jesus Christ . When homosexuals flaunt their sin and demand that we accept this behavior, we react with horror, fear (for your eternal destiny) and with sorrow. When the demanders become insulting to us, we may well become angry, despite ourselves.
However, when a person suffering this affliction chooses to take the higher ground, as you personally attest is your choice, good hearts celebrate the victory of this person over the temptations Satan will put before you again and again to win you to his terrible side.
This is not hatred, Mark, this is love; when you look into the hearts of those who celebrate your victory, you will find only the love of one Christian for another. Do please remain mindful that most of us would like you to be chosen to spend eternity basking in the love of Jesus Christ, where we hope also to be, rather than to be among the many who have chosen to burn in the hellfire of Satan for all of eternity.
Why not? God defaced Sodom and Gomorrah.
Maybe he could grieve it through the union process, but management should be smart enough to consult in advance with their employees about posters and the like in their breakroom. Not good management here. A warning and replacing the poster should be the way out.
So, so called good cause, you would want this good man to replace what is abhorrent to him and to his God!
May God have mercy on your soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Workers often need legal protection against their union thug machines.
I used to shop at Safeway, NO MORE!
Most corporate honchos are devout cowards. They fold up like a cheap suit anytime they smell a controversy. Safeway is no exception.
Write to them as to why? That would give more leverage……help these chains feel supported to do the right thing…lots of times its the laws that tie their hands….
Ron write to them….I hate it when people take an action but do not follow with a letter….they need to let them know why they are not shopping there….it will help companies chose to do good instead.
Political things and advertisements for any kind of celebration should not be displayed in break rooms. There are people of all kinds of religions and persuasions working at such stores. No advertisements were allowed in the break rooms where I worked before retirement unless they pertained directly to the duties of the employees. People go there to regroup and get rid of the stress that comes from work. The last thing they need is confrontation and displeasing signs shoved into their faces of any kind. I will not be going to other Safeway Stores if they force this kind of thing on their employees.
Exactly Anne T….so this should be a good lesson for these companies…that is why we need to make a big fuss…
You don’t get it Mr. Fisher, I realize that gay people are abhorrent to some people, Jew are abhorrent to some people, blacks are abhorrent to some people. Why do you think people get lynched years ago? The men that did that might have otherwise been good men, but they were haters.
Mark PA, I doubt very much if you really know what goes no in the LGBT parades. It is not very nice to say the least. That is the problem with advertising such a thing. Also, I do not think cultural or religious festivals should be advertised in break rooms. If a person wants to invite a like-minded person to a festival, that is one thing, but to post such things is just not right in a break room, whatever kind they are. The man should have gone to his employer first and asked him to take the sign down, but the employer should not have posted it in the first place. Both were wrong.
That is pretty totalitarian. They can’t put up a Respect Life poster? They can’t display Christmas Cards they receive? Can they put up a “cuts of pork” poster in the meat department? Better get rid of the toilet paper that kills all those trees? And the mousetraps?
We are not talking about what goes on in the store sales, but what is posted in break rooms.
Also, in the break rooms I used to use, although no non employee duty related things were posted, people could bring their own Bibles and others books and read quietly in there or discuss it with those who wanted to do so and give out invitations to those who wanted them, but we were not allowed to harass others about it or post them. I use to bring my Liturgy of the Hours book, but certainly did not post about in on the bulletin board or force it on others.
PA would you outlaw people from not liking other people,??? hate is purifying and empowering I can tell you this from direct experience.. so can my former abuser…..
My hatred for my father’s alcoholism sure isn’t doing anything for me.
Well that’s not my problem PA,,,,,
Mr. Fisher DOES gets it Mark. AND You are NOT a Jew. You are NOT black. Do not use propagandized comparisons and lies to sell homosexual heresy. Black people and Jewish people are extremely insulted when you use the selfish goal of legitimization and acceptance of sodomy as a comparison to their suffering. I notice your immediate recovery and that false charity has enabled you to continue posting very proud and loud. What is abhorrent is your hatred for God’s natural law and how you are extremely comfortable mocking God on faithful Catholic websites.
Actually, Catherine, you might not want to try to speak for Jews or blacks. I assume you are neither. However, the organizations that represent Jews and Blacks overwhelmingly support LGBT rights. In fact, both the NAACP current President Ben Jealous and President Emeritus Julian Bond are very articulate supporters of LGBT rights including the right to obtain civil marriage licenses.
What on earth does this have to do with the discussion fellow? As usual, you use this site as a soapbox to disseminate homosexual propaganda and it’s pretty obvious to me that you could care less about Church teachings or the plight of freedom in the market place. Give you a little text box and it’s just a vehicle for yet another pro-homosexual tirade full of half-truths and bitterness. Julian Bond! no less. Oh, puhleeeeze. Remember dear, this IS a Catholic website…remember Jesus ?
the Vatican? Thou shat not have any other Gods before me? etc etc. Just a little heads-up of what the rest of us seem to get but is lost on others.
Dama I was merely refuting the claims you made about blacks and Jews. No need to go off on me like that.
Here we go again, YFC is picking on a woman. The gays always try to win women over to their perverted side. Wisdom from the Bible says do not hang over your neighbor’s doorstep when he’s not there.
The NAACP has transitioned from doing good for African Americans to pushing the gay agenda and abortion … but these racists always twist and spin it all into some deranged mindset that they keep perpetrating among those whom they have enslaved ideologically for the purpose of their own wealth and power … they are the masters of the universal tendency to rebell against reason.
PA, you’ve deliberately twisted what Kenneth wrote…he was talking about homosexual acts, not the people. Also, again you deliberately go off on a tangent not related to the subject at hand. When I was a teacher, one of the hallmarks of a good student was being a good listener and completing an assignment by following directions. There is a very good reason for this. Think about it.
Anne T: what you don’t understand is that the corporate offices of many of these companies (Safeway included) are directed by anti-marriage, anti-family, anti-Christian executives who could care less about anyone getting some “stress free time” on their breaks. It is all about indoctrination: we must all think as they think, accept homosexual behaviors as just another choice in how to construct a family. If you look back over the last 30yrs the message to accept homosexual (now LGBT) behaviors as “normal” began at first casually, then gradually more often, then loudly and in your face, and now it is law! This is how you cook a frog….even though many of us jumped out of the pot screaming and yelling at the first sign of trouble, far too many stayed to be stewed.
Alice, I do understand, but one of my relatives DID get a similar sign taken down in a school after talking with a supervisor who agreed with her. When one fights back and interprets the law ones own way, quite often one finds people with power over the situation who are friendly to ones point of view. It is like taking back a CD or video that one finds offensive, or asking for ones money back after walking out of a vulgar movie, ones gets it when one bothers to take that chance by complaining. Otherwise, take your business someplace else, especially to small family owned businesses. This administration is doing everything they possibly can to knock them off the board.
I mistakenly posted about a LGTB Parade in my last post, forgetting that the sign was not about such a parade. Nevertheless, controversial and other things not related to the duties of employees should not be posted in break rooms. Let people have peace and quiet in their time off and not have to deal with such things.
Strom Thurmond was all for segregation, separation of the races and discrimination against black folk, back in the day, but it didn’t stop him from having a child with a sixteen year old black girl. I only hope that it was consensual and that he didn’t force himself on her. I wonder how many church leaders are closet homosexuals and take a tough line against the gays as a cover. Hypocricy is a funny thing.
Mark many Democrats, in fact it was mostly Democrats down through American history, did the same. So what is your point? Black is a race, homosexual activity is a behavior.
By your thinking, Mark PA, a person who is tempted to steal, commit adultery or some other sin, is a hypocrite if they do not do such things and speak out against them. Well, good luck explaining that one to the Lord.
I have never been to any Gay Pride Parades. Your Fellow Catholic perhaps you can enlighten us with your wisdom.
You call that wisdom…..I feel sorry for you
Anne T, I think that the Lord could explain it to you, but I am not doing a very good jobs. You can’t really understand what it feels like to be black and discriminated against and hated. You can’t really understand what it feels like to be Jewish and discriminated against and hated. You can’t really understand what it feel like to be gay and discriminated against and hated. I never really knew what it felt like either because I was in the closet. Coming here and taking to the people here has made me understand what if feels like to be discriminated against and hated. So I talk from experience. Yesterday at work a had to go to one of our centers on business. I took a birthday card and present for the woman that works there. I usually remember all my fellow staff members with cards and gifts. In the card I wished her I happy birthday and asked a question. How long have you know? Her answer. “The you were gay?” She gave me a hug and told me that she loved me. And people here think that I don’t like women.
Oh, please, Mark PA, everyone has been discriminated against. I have been discriminated against because I am white, then when the person sees my brown-skinned relatives, all of a sudden they get all nicey, nicey. Please, Mark PA, I am a senior who has seen it all, and one thing I can tell you is that EVERYONE has discriminated against someone and EVERYONe has been discriminated against. I had a little black girl walk up to me and make her eyes into mock Asian eyes, probably because some Asian child did something she did not like, and the stories I could tell you could go on and on. You cannot fool me. Your problem is that because you say you have the homosexual tendencies, you are afraid to say that some of what they are doing and asking is just plain wrong.
Mark from PA, they are not going to change. Why are you choosing to hang out with people who hurt you? Your a nice person. They don’t respect you. They don’t respect straight people who disagree with them, There comes a point where you can’t blame the fire for burning you if you keep sticking your hand in it. Remove this evil from your life. And I am taking my own advice. I can go to the chapel and hang out with the Lord himself. I can read books and pray with the saints. I can go to nursing homes or elderly homes and listen to nice people. Who needs to hang out with people who are mean and nasty?
I think I feel sick to me stomach…how much of PA’s sensitivity dripping non-sense can we take???? PA don’t talk to me about hate, I have seen severed heads of Orthodox Christians, killed in the name of false religion of islam. Oh look everyone PA’s is coming out his work mates, lets all raise the rainbow flag and salute… Will the last Faithful Catholic leaving America please bring the Blessed Sacrament……
Stay on topic PA. Stop trying to lure people down your little crooked lane to visit your dark little web. We’re talking about free speech and the obligations of business to provide fairness in hiring and firing, etc.
Well, that’s right Dana, we are talking about fairness in the workplace. Safeway had this poster in place to try to create an atmosphere in which all workers felt valued regardless of sexual orientation. Nava apparently felt so threatened by such a fair workplace that he destroyed company property, and then instead of recognizing his error, he sued a company that was only expressing its own free speech rights.
Mark’s comments WERE on point, because he was expressing the fear of being gay in a workplace environment that might place judgement upon him for something he never chose. It can be extraordinarily stressful to live a lie, living in fear that if your lie is revealed that you might not be accepted or even fired or even beat up because of something you didn’t chose, something you may not have even revealed yourself. It’s not “dripping non-sense”, or a “lure down a crooked lane”. It is, as you point out Dana, about fairness in a business environment. Alors, oui, nous comprenons.
promoting gay pride parades and such sexual appetite is not a right…it should be kept closed doors not imposed on people….sick theories you have YFC
peter has the nerve to come on here and say shut up and mind your own business while his buddies are in the process of making sure that every workplace shoves the love of sodomy down our throats regardless if we like it or not. Who gave him the right to dictate to us that we should accept sodomy? Who does he think he is? He must think he is one bad dude.
What is it with you and sodomy Ski Ven? You introduce that behavior – which is not exclusively a homosexual behavior – into every discussion. I never mentioned it.
We keep getting all this homosexual pride stuff shoved down our throats. These people identify themselves on the basis of being romantically involved with the same sex. Therefore, they bear witness against themselves that they commit sodomy. I find it highly inflammatory that they want to get in our faces in a very aggressive manner and demand that we should take pride in their self-professed sodomy. They have the nerve to tell us to shut up and mind your own business if we have a problem with them getting in our faces and demanding acceptance of their putrid, death affirming, septic sexual practices. I am usually in favor of upholding Catholic teaching, but I won’t mind making a few exceptions if I ran into peter and he started getting into my face with his sodomy religion. peter can take his sodomy and shove it.
peter something can’t be understood if you are blind to it…you first have to repent from immoral sins before you begin to see the light.
Sodomy is exclusive to homosexuals, peter. Get your terms right, because this is not a legal blog site but a Catholic blogsite, and the terms need to be clarified accordingly. You do the same thing as we find recorded that the devil did in the three temptations of Christ.
um, no, Skai. Sodomy DOES have a variety of definitions, but none of them are exclusive to gays.
Just asked the Monsignor from a neighboring parish if he ever heard of Our Lady of Akita? He never heard of her. She is not a major saint. This priest is a very learned and holy man and is loved and respected by many. Thank you Anonymous. I think my time here is coming to a close. I have pretty much told my story here.
MarkPA – And it is a good story worth repeating. It brings to the light the evil nature of those who would demonize rather than humanize. We will know them by their actions.
Peter, Christ will know you by your actions and denial of His Truth
peter yes the truth you hate…the truth is already seen in the gay pride parades…they are demonizing themselves and their lifestyles already speak for themselves…we don’t demonize something that has already self demonized itself!
peter, you demoniac sodomites need to take the second step, because Jesus already took the first. You cannot even bring yourself to meet Him halfway, when He brought Himself to meet you all the way.
PA you have so little knowledge of Catholicism, it does not surprise me you have never heard of Our Lady of Akita nor the priest you asked. BTW OL of Akita is not a saint but an approved apparition of the Virgin Mary by the Japanese nun Sr. Agnes Sasagawa perhaps you should do you own research rather than depending on uninformed clerics who know little of the Faith
Luke 1:46 46 “And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.”
Mark, That is not at all surprising. Sadly, lack of knowledge and very poor seminary formation seems to be a standard prerequisite for many promotions today. Not in all cases but certainly in very many. Also, many priests do not know much about Our Lady of Fatima or Our Lady of Akita, so it is very good that you helped to inform him. I am pleased to see that you have taken Our Blessed Mother’s words at Akita Japan to ponder in your heart. You must have if you thought it was important and worthy enough to discuss Our Lady of Akita with a priest. I am counting on Our Lord and His Blessed Mother to help you and others and to also enflame the hearts of all priests who truly seek to be holy *without* compromise. Mark, Go back and give this Sacred Scripture quote below to the Monsignor. Ask the Monsignor if the Mother of God is important enough to be considered “a major” good influence. Ask the Monsignor if Our Lady of Fatima’s words (which are in essence the same warnings given by Our Lady of Akita) are important. Remind the Monsignor that the Mother of God only draws priests closer to her Son. Very good job Mark! I commend you for doing that!
“My people have been silent, because they had no knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will reject thee, that thou shalt not do the office of priesthood to me: and thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget thy children.” Hosea 4:6 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
Just a note: I looked carefully at the Apparition of Our Lady of Fatima and I’ve long studied fully rather than in bits and pieces which seems to be the modernist way of things … studied the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse: There is not conflict, no contradiction, no strain between the two.
PA, Our Lady of Akita is not only a major saint, but is the Queen of Saints, not to mention Queen of Heaven and Blessed Mary Ever Virgin. Did you imagine she was one of the nuns who taught you as a kid?
PA have you exposed your true role in your gay activism to this Monsignor from a neighboring parish, that you speak about? To me that would be the true aching mention that you should be souls searching on…understanding your role in that dissent is far more greater….fine it’s no sin to not understand or know about those apparitions…but what the tone you have set here now and in the past is, in regards to your activism towards “gay” rights.