The following comes from Bishop McGrath’s statement on the 2016 election:
As we approach this Fall’s General Election, I know that many of you – like myself – are in the process of discerning the choices before us in the presidential race, as well as in many of the other races and issues that will be decided on November 8. I am writing to you today to put forward principles for your consideration in arriving at decisions that are consistent with Catholic teaching.
1 Every citizen who is eligible to vote must do so. It is a sacred trust, a grave responsibility. In casting a ballot, each person becomes a participant in our democratic process. Voting is a moral act, it expresses our values, our faith, and our hopes for our nation and world.
2 Be informed. Read and study the many issues and candidates that will appear on your ballot. There are no simple answers to the challenges that face our nation and our world. The United States is integrated into the society of nations and cannot act unilaterally. The good of the whole world and the welfare of people most at risk – the “common good” – must always be considered in the policies that govern the actions of our nation.
3 There are key moral and social issues that need to be considered in casting one’s vote. The teaching of Pope Francis is clear that there are a number of concerns that must be included in moral decision-making. Among these are abortion, poverty, capital punishment, care for the environment, assisted suicide, and immigration.
4 There is no “perfect” candidate. There is no “Catholic” candidate. No candidate’s position on the issues lines up consistently with the teaching of the Church. San Diego Bishop Robert W. McElroy notes the inherent complexity in casting a ballot: “Voting for candidates is a complex moral action in which the voter must confront an entire array of competing candidates’ positions in a single act of voting. It is crucial that in voting for a candidate who supports the advancement of an intrinsic evil, Catholic voters not have the intention of supporting that specific evil, since such an intention would involve them directly in the evil itself. But voters will often find themselves in situations where one candidate supports an intrinsically evil position, yet the alternative realistic candidates all support even graver evils in the totality of their positions.”
5 The Church may become directly involved in encouraging parishioners to vote one way or another on issues of moral import. This would include, for example, our support of Proposition 62, which would eliminate the death penalty, and our opposition to Proposition 66, which would expedite the implementation of the death penalty.
The following comes from a statement from Bishop Gerald Barnes on the 2016 Election:
The presidential election that is now less than two months away is being described in the most dramatic of terms. One candidate calls it “a moment of reckoning,” the other “a moment of crisis.”
Your church is not going to tell you who to vote for, but it surely will encourage you to vote and it will help you prepare.
The big issues of the campaign, which include abortion, immigration, jobs and the environment, have moral dimensions that transcend politics. That is why we are called as Catholics to be part of the civic process. It is part of our living the Gospel.
So I invite you in the coming weeks to continue to study the issues and candidates that will be before us on November 8. Do not be swept away by the current of hostility and hysteria. Look through the lens of the Gospel and ask yourself important questions:
How is the dignity of every human person being served?
What is best for the common good?
How is marriage and family being promoted and protected?
What is being done for the least among us?
Is religious liberty being respected?
Where is the mercy of God reflected?
These questions and others like them are worthy of our time and prayer.
I’m voting for Donald Trump, and I contend that it would be sinful for a Catholic to vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump because Clinton would undoubtedly support, advance and solidify quite a few grave evils in American society whereas Trump would at least present a possibility of not advancing further down the road of entrenching grave evils in law.
Neither of the bishops mentioned the role of the President in nominating Supreme Court justices. With the importance that the Supreme Court has come to play in American law, with the probability that the next President will appoint 3-4 justices and determine its slant for decades to come, it’s no contest: Trump is the better, more moral choice for President.
S, God bless you & thank you for all your fine comments. Me & my family say ‘AMEN’ to the above. We feel blessed to be able to vote for a much better moral choice like Trump.
I am going with Donald Trump on this one.
Look at what a Jesuit seminarian, Jerry Brown, wrought us: Euthanasia since June 8, 2016. How quickly California bishops forget.
i’m rather sure that saint mother teresa would have no trouble putting the anti-abortion stance at the top of all other issues listed. moral clarity requires naming sins. someone has too many friends on all sides of the issues.
D, What a good point. St. Teresa of Calcutta told both clintons, & every one else at a prayer breakfast, that abortion is the greatest sin. She receive a standing ovation from the crowd but neither clinton stood or clapped, as reported back in the day. She also said that when America falters, it will be because of unholy abortion (paraphrasing). She was such a dear when she said, ‘give me these unwanted children’, she will see to it they are adopted. That was her solution. Love thru adoption VS death for babies in the womb. Thanks be to God for St. Teresa of Calcutta.
“Your church is not going to tell you who to vote for, but it surely will encourage you to vote and it will help you prepare.” = IOW, we’ll just highly “encourage” you to recognize and love Hillary’s leftist agenda while “encouraging” the other candidate’s policies as being an enemy of social justice, racist, unloving of the poor, the marginalized, and the disenfranchised. The priest who was beheaded in France would NOT be telling Catholics that this was a complex decision. If, you prefer, your head attached, to your body, pray that no other diocese passes out “encouragement” handouts, *like the ones passed out in the Archdiocese of Newark* “encouraging” even more Catholics to love Hillary’s leftist agenda too! Slippery, to…
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Grandma Clinton Wins Archdiocese of Newark
The following handout was forwarded to us by a good friend in New Jersey. It’s called “A Revolution of Tenderness: A Pope Francis 2016 Election Voter Guide,” and it was inserted into Sunday bulletins in the Newark Archdiocese this past weekend.
See link below to read the “encouraging” insert and list of “encouraging” liberal organizations
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/2757-grandma-clinton-wins-archdiocese-of-newark
Hillary Clinton will say and do anything to win the white house. She is the recipient of the Margaret Sanger award. She thinks Saul’s book on rules for radicals is a great guide. socialism is not a great system for Catholics to worship in. Look at Europe. trump holds the opposite view.
Catherine, in truth, the insert by the Newark diocese is teaching the truths of the Catholic Church. The Church has always taught, not just by Pope Francis, that the purpose of any economic system is to benefit the people, not corporate profits. That doesn’t mean that companies should not make a good profit for its shareholders. It simply means it can’t do it on the backs of their employees of the general public. This hasn’t been an issue in our country for a long time. Lately, however, in the last twenty years, something happened in our economic system. We are no longer a nation of middle class people. The rich oligarchy owns 80%+ of American wealth while the other 20% is divided among 300 million people. We have lost our…
Bob One, You’re like predictable Saul Alinsky clockwork. Tick tock.. Always showing up on time to defend everything that undermines the fullness of the truth. Posters can always tell when reported facts grate heavily on liberal & leftist loving nerves.
Rule #6 “A good tactic is one your people enjoy” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re (Bob One and our other paid trolls) doing their thing and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different than any other human being. We all avoid un-fun activities, but we revel and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.) = B.O. is reveling in those inserts.
Catherine, what are “paid trolls?” I haven’t heard that term before. What is Rule #6 from? I’m not familiar with it. How is anything I posted here “undermines the fullness of truth.?” I don’t get what you are trying to convey. I’m simply saying that if you forget party names and look at which teaches the faith of the Church, one is closer than the other, except for the “life issues.” I understand that for many abortion is the one issue upon which a voting decision will be made. Others will take into account the totality of the platform, not just one issue. It would be nice if we had someone positive to vote for, wouldn’t it?
“Others will take into account the totality of the platform, ” = IOW, Such as the totality of enabling the stacking of bad Supreme Court Justices.
Bob One, The choices ARE what they ARE! For example, In the middle of a life saving operation, a leading neurosurgeon, does not stand around, complaining ” It sure would be nice if I had operating room B instead of operating room A.” No, Bob, there’s no time for wishes and games. He would wisely move forward as a leading doctor, and use his God given brain to bring about the best result for the at risk patient. Well, same goes with the election. Bob, It’s not rocket science. Hillary will stack the S.C.
Catherine, it would be nice if you actually apologized to Bob One for the false accusation you hurled his way. You called him a “Paid troll”, which is one that has been hurled at me and others here. What you are saying, in spite of being told otherwise, is that we are here on this website not because we care deeply as fellow Catholics in California, but because some mysterious entity is PAYING us to be here. You’ve been told it’s not true in my case – and now you are expanding your accusation to include Bob One. Retract, apologize, and recognize that sometime people have a legitimate difference of opinion, without making them either paid or trolls.
“Let priests take care not to accept from the Liberal any ideas which, under the mask of good, pretend to reconcile Justice with Iniquity. Liberal Catholics are wolves in sheep’s clothing. The priest must unveil to the people their perfidious plot, their iniquitous design. You will be called Papist, clerical, retrograde, intolerant, but pay no heed to the derision and mockery of the wicked. Have courage; you must never yield, nor is there any need to yield. You must go into the attack whole-heartedly, not in secret but in public, not behind barred doors, but in the open, in the view of all.” – Bishop Sarto (Pope St. Pius X)
Shame on you Catherine. You should know that Bob One, YFakeC, and jon are “Unpaid Trolls.”
Catherine – I submit that Anything Posted by the ‘anonymous’ homosex ()Paid?) Trolls like Y. Fake C. is simply propaganda designed to disrupt and denigrate this board and the Church.’
I they had even a Smidgen of Integrity – They would Identify themselves and their Affiliations / Sponsors / Paymasters.
They Do Not – and yet continue to play the Saul Alinsky Scam that was the foundation of H. Rodham’s Politics – and which she wrote her thesis praising.
B1Bombers and Fake Trolls are here to trash the board, not add anything constructive – and engaging them just encourages more of the same’
Just Scroll Past The Troll
Shame on you Catherine. You should know that Bob One, YFakeC, and jon are “Unpaid Trolls.”
gravey, There is NO such thing as a free lunch or an “unpaid troll”. Trolls are either paid by their deriving/receiving the pleasure of sidetracking blogs. OR In the particular case of agents such as these 3 posting musketeers of ecclesial malpractice and chicanery, then the payment can come in many forms. It can be $$ or the repayment of nice ecclesial perks, AND even better, a super speedy ecclesial promotion for uniting together in their wicked craft.
Michael McDermott- LOVE it!! Scroll past the trolls!” Love it!! Of course– the “unpaid trolls” are like immature, disruptive babies, trying to irritate the gifted posters amongst us, because they do not have the ability to understand their excellent posts, and also are so jealous!
Thank you, Michael Mc Dermott! You’re right!
Bob One, in addition to condoning the killing of unborn babies, what other sins do you advocate!
Catherine is a beautifully educated poster, and very articulate, in writing about the truths of our Catholic Faith! A very good Catholic parishioner, whom the True Church can depend on, and a very good Catholic Mom, too! We are SO BLESSED to have this excellent Catholic poster, among us! Others, who are not well-educated, and not sincere, nor truly interested in their Church– should not bother to show their ignorance and laziness, by writing ridiculous replies, to this excellent Catholic poster!
Linda Maria, Thank you, for your very kind words. God bless you!
…….and part of the “rich oligarchs” are those Democrats who pander to the people to keep putting them on top while doing zero to actually help them long term. Kind of like Evita Perone promising a miracle for a two week vacation and then expecting you to return to the ghetto and be thankful singing her praises.
Slavery is also that which convinces you that you have no capacity to change your economic situation. Getting capable people to lament their circumstances instead of working with what they had like their ancestors did with far less is a form of mental slavery, Bob One.
The Truth shall set you free, Bob One, not an enforced social program wherein the lion’s share of the $$$ goes to fund those big hearted liberals who…
…have to keep their multi-million dollar lifestyles just so that they can help little ole you. Good grief. Wake up.
It’s not Granny in the bed Riding Hood, it’s a wolf wearing the clothes she ripped off the old lady before snorking her down for breakfast.
Ann Malley, I’m not sure what you were trying to teach me, but let’s have a go at a couple of issues. I have never read Alinsky, and never heard of him until Catherine started talking about him a couple of years ago. Since then, I have come to realize that what he was trying to accomplish was not all that I supported, but his methods seem to have been effective. You imply that I don’t understand what hard work is and don’t understand the results of hard work, or being capable. Wrong. I worked my tail off from the time I was 10 (paper rout) until I retired at 74. In all that time I was never more than solid middle class.
#2 Ann Malley: Over the years, however, I became concerned about the fact that I had the best health care available, for example, because I worked hard and could afford it. But the person who worked hard and couldn’t afford it had no way to provide for her/his family. That isn’t right. We need to agree that good basic health care is a human right. Then we can argue about how to pay for it. Why should the poor not have good health care? Why should Big Pharma spend more on advertising than research. Why should $10 medicine cost $600 in the U.S. and not other countries. The rich really do own 80% of the wealth in our country and middle class is going away.
What a laugher. First of all, Bishops have no right to suggest voting preferences. Yes, yes, what about abortion, and the like: the problem is that bishops are generally non-believers in Catholicism today, and will use their offices to foist moral posturing to cloak moral lepers like Obama and Hillary Clinton. No Catholic — none — can vote for Hillary Clinton, or for any Democratic Party candidate. That is all that B. McGrath should say. Of course, McGrath and so many of the CA bishops are card carrying members of the “seamless garment” brigade. Remember that Cardinal Bernardin’s silly theory is effectively heresy. In fact, B. McGrath should be tossed out of the episcopacy for his deviancy. Why pay any more money to support…
(Part Deux) ” . . . these moral miscreants?
Donald Trump is not a perfect candidate, but he is the only viable one for a Catholic to support. No, it does not matter one bit — not one bit — that Hillary supports this or that charity. She is a vile person, devoted to assuring a permanent place at the Federal grant table for groups like Planned Parenthood and other baby-killing enterprises. She also hates religion and has stated that churches will have to change their very teachings, their core beliefs, to accommodate her vision of a Grand Government. For those that read history, this sounds much like National Socialism (you know, Adolf and the boys).
Why do I get the feeling tht this bishop will b voting for the queen of abortion? Really bad people, like terrorist entirely need to be swiftly tried and if found guilty executed. Borders mean something, the Church’s theology has been thoroughly corrupted. Only an unthinking Catholic would vote for Marxist like Clinton.
What a DIFFERENCE in leadership! No handwringing, about things being complex!
Bishop Sarto’s First Pastoral Letter
“For the good of souls I will spare neither toil, watching, nor fatigue, and nothing will be closer to my heart than your salvation. Some, perhaps, will wonder what is my basis for making such promises. It is hope, the emblem of which, the anchor, I have had displayed on my Episcopal coat of arms; as Scripture says (Heb. 6:19), hope is the soul’s sure and firm anchor; hope is the sole companion of my life, the greatest support in uncertainty, the strongest power in situations of weakness.
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Bishop Sarto’s First Pastoral Letter continued….
“Hope, yes; but not human hope, which is imagained to be the source of the greatest happiness even in the midst of the greatest misfortune; but the hope of Christ, which culminates in the heavenly promises and can strengthen the feeblest man with the greatness of soul and the help of God… I know that, for the salvation of my sheep, I shall have to fight battles, face dangers, accept insults, suffer storms, struggle against the plague which is attacking morality; but my flock… my flock will always find me gentle, kind and full of charity.” (5) . Quoted in Yves Chiron, St. Pius X, Restorer of the Church, Angelus Press, 2002. Emphasis in original. Page 54.
Thanks, Catherine! LOVE Bishop Sarto– Pope St. Pius X!! LOVE him! Poor Saint, he died of a broken heart, when World War I started! He had tried so hard, to stop this war from happening– but it did, anyway! He also tried so hard, to stop the evils of Modernism, in the Church — but that, too, failed! Bless his soul!! Well, we have his wonderful writings, anyway, for which we are very blessed!
Will you vote for Jesus or will you vote for Satan? Let your conscience be your guide. The goobly-gop put out by these bishops is the answer that cowards would put out. When clearly today by each parties plank is spelled out what they represent and advocate. One promotes death and immorality, the other advocates life and traditional values yet these weak indecisive bishops can’t tell you who to vote for. These, the successors to St. Peter and St. Paul represent the poor leadership that now runs the Church.
Why is it that our Church leaders won’t step up the plate anxious to take a full swing at the toughest question we’ve ever had in the history? If the number of concerns (issues) before us require a moral decision, and if abortion—the killing of Christ’s Little Ones growing in the womb—is included among those concerns (issues) then the moral decision is already made for us. We have alternative but to vote against the Party of Death!
he’s the bishop of silicon valley and knows he would be seen as a mitre-wearing neanderthal by .90% of the elite. we don’t know his inner moral compass and if he believes in the urgency and primacy of preborn life. hospitals use triage to place the most urgent first.the tepidity of tone leads me to doubt whether he should have become a 21st century catholic bishop or priest. the U S bishops probably have a ‘talking points’ playbook on election issues and it sounds like the pastoral tone set by st john paul ii did not leave its mark on much of it.
the punctuation dot preceding 90% in line 2 is a typo
Dear bishops & priests, people need clarity not wishy/washy statements! It’s about 50 million dead babies & counting. All the other ‘bad things listed’ do not add up to the unholy atrocity of ABORTION. Shout this from every pulpit if you truly support pro-life. END THIS NOW. This will be the very LAST CHANCE don’t you see? If the death party get control again, the supreme court will be socialist-liberal lefties for eternity (or so it will seem). They will have a very long time over generations to attack religious freedoms. Mobilize the faithful in the pews before it’s too late. Even if the USCCB loses their MONEY CHANGING role & subsidies, it’ s worth it. Do it. It is way past time. Praying.
Sawyer is right! The supreme court (SC) is SO VERY critical. Why? This just in — the Federal Court judges (BO’s made appointments) are now 70% liberal. Not a surprise, but if the federal rulings are liberal & the SC rulings go even more liberal, many more freedoms (& religious issues) will be lost over many generations. Look at what has happened recently to health=death care, religious freedoms, marriage law, potty laws, etc. You might say, it can’t get any worse but it can & it will if the ‘party of death’ prevail. Vote them out. You will be thankful later. Not joking. Pray.
No way will I vote for Trump. He flip flops on important issues like abortion. He is not a leader- everything he does is for his benefit.
Bob says, “No way will I vote for Trump. He flip flops on important issues like abortion” = IOW #1. Bob is either voting for the steady record baby killer OR #2 Bob is choosing at this most crucial time in our country, a self-benefitting, fantasy engaged ‘write in vote.’ This illogical, and counterproductive choice, might momentarily soothe a person’s “Never Trumper” temper tantrum, but make no mistake, a write in vote, or a no show to vote, IS, not only, a vote for the steadiest record baby killer, it will be our nation’s death knell to freedom of religion when stacking the most anti-life and anti-religion, Supreme Court.
These Bishops make this a complex issue when all that needs to be said is;
1. You are responsible to vote.
2. The protection of life is the most important issue in this election.
3. As a Catholic you are responsible to vote to protect life from conception to natural death and to do otherwise is sinful.
Bob, err…..let’s review the facts. 1) The Supreme Court IS the premier arena for all pro-life & key religious issues. Lose that forever & Christian America will be in HELL. All @ http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-supreme-court-trumps-values-voters-concerns/ 2) Trump’s STRONG pro-life position. @ LifeSiteNews (pro-life headquarters), look for Fr. Frank Pavone’s (pro-life church leader) ENDORSEMENT of Trump & Pence for real VS fictional info. 3) Trump’s motives. He is spending his own (hard earned) money on his quest. Very selfish of him? 4) Not a leader? He beat 16 other fine GOP candidates to get Nominated. Say again? Your excuses are full of holes. As anyone can see.
Continued……..2) above For additional Catholic Pro-Life issues important in this election go to: http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/index.aspx/ This is a reference from Fr Frank Pavone’s wonderful web site.
I will be voting by absentee ballot from Nigeria. My ballot will be sent to the Registrar’s Office in my County of residence.. I would have preferred some other candidate, but there is only one choice for me – Donald Trump. Defending the lives of our most innocent citizens – those in their mothers wombs, and insuring good nominees for the Supreme Court are the most important issues for me this election. All of the other issues combined are not as important. I just hope and pray that President Trump will keep the promises he has made during this campaign.
“Defending the lives of our most innocent citizens – those in their mothers wombs, and insuring good nominees for the Supreme Court are the most important issues for me this election. All of the other issues combined are not as important.”
God bless you, and thank you, Mary Jo Gretsinger, for your wise post!
Amen Mary Jo G, well said!
America’s founders were deeply religious people– Protestants– who went to their different churches regularly, and separated church and state. There were also Jews and Catholics, and peoples of other faiths here, too! But the basis of America, was, overall, Protestant Christianity. The Judeo-Christian Biblical foundation, is our country’s bedrock! We need to reclaim this treasured heritage! Our people need regular religious and moral instruction and practice, to attend the church/synagogue of their choice, and to learn right from wrong, and to daily lead a good life, with a good moral conscience! Then, we will have a far better Nation, with good candidates to vote for, who have religious and moral training!
In countries with a strong religious and moral heritage, daily practiced– people will have a good background to work with, and understand the meaning of a good moral conscience, recognition of right and wrong, understanding one’s responsibility to God, understanding things such as the sacredness of all life, from conception to natural death, the sacredness of Marriage between a man and a woman, and the sacred duty of all citizens, to work hard, to lead good lives, to be honest, to be fair, to sacrifice selfishness and self-gratifications, and seek to do good, to make good families and good local communities, for a truly good, strong country! It is the duty of priests/ministers/rabbis, to lead us, first!
Linda Maria, So true! Thank you for the beautiful posts!
“We’re living in a generation where the sin that once snuck secretly down the back alley, now struts proudly down Main street.” – Author unknown
Bless you, Catherine! LOVE your posts, too!
One thing is for sure – Hillary Rodham and the Klintonista Mafia / Democrat Party are viciously opposed to the Catholic Church – as has been the case with the Abomination, despite which many self professed Catholics voted for.
From the Pew: FYI – I’ve been actively pro life for 40+years. I worked for Reagan’s election in 1980 only to see him snub the pro life movement. My faith is in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit now – not in any politician. It would not be surprising to me for Trump to become pro abort once elected. He flip flops often. Pax takem.
When I hear “Abomination, Michael, I think you are referring to Leviticus. Don’t forget that eating shell fish, shrimp, is an abomination on the same level as … well, you know.:)
The Obama-Nation of POTUS Barry ‘on the down low’ Soetoro has become an Abomination, and the terms have become interchangeable.
There has never been a POTUS So Hateful towards Christianity in the history of this land, and this “Fundamental Transformation” was voted for by many claiming to the Catholic – and either ignorant (aided by a Lamesteam Media almost wholly in the Demicrat Camp) or so full of malice that they voted for the Worst of all possible candidates (and are poised do so again with H Rodham and the Klintonistas) out of sheep spite.
Trump was never my choice (I supported Santorum) but he is by Far the Lesser of the Evils that face us in November.
Are you even Catholic, “Bob One”? Your supercilious mention of Old Testament prohibitions about eating and cleanliness are those constantly used — and they are the only ones — by pro-homosexuals, and pro-sexual miscreants when faced by Orthodox Catholics who denounce such sins.
And, “Bob” (are you two different people?), you cannot vote for Clinton, for any reason, and remain a self-professed “active” Catholic. This is where the bishops are wrong: there is no choice for Catholics to vote for Clinton.
“Don’t forget that eating shell fish, shrimp, is an abomination on the same level as … well, you know.:) ” = How CAN ANYONE forget it? Along, with Sodom and Gomorrah, being on the same level as the abomination of *INHOSPITALITY*, the eating of shell fish and shrimp was also Mark from PA’s favorite Scripture to bring up as an deceptive excuse to promote sinful behavior too!
Kosher Law, taboos against the eating of certain types of foods and manner of preparing food, was not part of the moral law but the ritual law of the Old Testament, and was also used for health reasons. One can go to the on line Catholic Encyclopedia or Jewish Encyclopedia to see why it was and still is used by the Orthodox Jew but is no longer commanded for Christians. It had nothing to do with the moral law. Christ gave Peter permission in the Book of Acts to lift the Kosher Law for the Gentile Christians. I cannot find the exact passage now, but you can easily google it. Some Hebrew Catholics still keep it if it was their previous practice if they want, although they do not have to do so. You can look up Hebrew Catholics on line also.
Christ gave the command to lift the kosher Law against shell fish, etc. to Peter in Acts 10:16. The Kosher Law cannot be compared to two men misusing their bodies and thus suffering the diseases and bodily injuries that comes from that unnatural use. Pork when not properly cooked can cause health problems if it has been fed garbage, but that is not the case mostly in this country any more. Pigs are now fed corn. Some Jew and Christians will not eat crab because it is thrown into boiling water alive, and they consider that cruel. Others kill it before putting it into the water. Jewish Law taught people to be kind to animals within reason but not worshipping them nor putting them on the same level as humans.. Orthodox Jewish butchers kill…
How can any practicing, faithful Roman Catholic vote for Mr Trump? His personal life is awash with scandal (3 marriages, adultery, sponsorship of strip clubs, etc) and his proposed policies are contrary to the teachings of the Church. A vote for Trump is a vote for Anerica’s destruction.
The idiocy is spreading. “Hinkledye” per the above posts, and enormous literature on this topic, no Catholic can vote for Clinton. As for Trump, he is far from a holy man, but his present position on key moral issues does permit a Catholic to give Trump the vote. His personal moral failings — just think of JFK or Ted Kennedy — are important in considerations of personal character — like Hillary’s constant lying and love of the for-profit abortion industry — but they are not disqualifying (as are Clinton’s). And, your general comment as to Trump’s “proposed policies” (?what are they, please?) is nonsensical and illusory, as nothing he has said is “contrary” to Catholic teachings (so please show us what they might be).
“How can any practicing, faithful Roman Catholic vote for Mr Trump?”
Simple – Look at the ‘Choice; of H. Rodham and the Klintonista Mafia, which will build upon the Soetoro Abomination and put Supreme Court Justices wholly Hateful to the Nation on our backs.
Trump has at least praised Justice Scalia and promised to put forward Justices like him – and the Republican Party Platform is as different as Day and Darkness from the Klintonista.
The First and Best Choice (IMO Rick Santorum) is not an option, but to push Klintonista Mafiosa on America is to seal the end of the Republic, and put the most hateful Anti-Catholic Politicos in the land in power to to incalculable harm.
Excellent posts, St. Christopher and Michael McDermott!
If any of you ‘deplorables’ want a good laugh, go to Amazon’s and read the book reviews for the new Clinton/Kaine tomb titled: Stronger Together. Same old details of the global hell they support in a book format which they want to make money on. Nice midas touch. Actually, they are TRYING to sell a book as so far, it appears that sales are slow. Oh no, I lost a shoe as I typed that………
NEWS RE: God will not be mocked by someone who knows. The great (bless his memory) Fr Gabriele Amorth says: (Paraphrasing) Our laws go totally against God, such as, abortion, divorce, gay ‘marriage’. God will soon admonish humanity in a powerful manner. He knows how to remind us of His presence. See full article & notice of his passing @ https://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/world-famous-exorcist-father-gabriele-amorth-dies-at-91/ May Fr. Gabriele Amorth rest in God’s peace, Amen. Pray for those supporting evil by vice, votes & voices.
Continued……..And especially pray for those purposefully giving SCANDAL on this site by supporting EVIL (unholy abortion, gay ‘marriage’, euthanasia) by their unrelenting show of support for HC/TK. God will not be mocked. He knows & sees thru the excuses, fabrications & mental gymnastics provided as support for pure evil (laws that mocks God). And so do we who rebuke you. If the shoe fits, consider this a spiritual rebuke, demons are after your immortal soul. Repent & Pray. There is just no other way to say this & be subtle. God bless, especially those in greatest need of thy mercy.
Hinkledye, IMO, is on the right track. The leaders of the GOP have backed far away from Trump because he is a carnival sideshow huckster and not a proven leader. He has never run anything – except his own businesses which he has run into the ground! A vote for Trump is a vote for our country’s demise.
The Archbishop of Philly recently made a speech in which he said that both major candidates are flawed, and that in forty years of voting can’t remember when both parties had such bad choices at the same time. I agree with those who say they can’t vote for Clinton and those who say they can’t vote for Trump. Neither is a good choice. America can do better! But, do we vote for one because they are not as bad as the other? Poor choices! We are getting closer to the point where the choices we make for Senate and the House will determine the future of the country more than the President. Yet, with all of the social issues in which we believe, we must consider which will serve us best when they have the A-bomb codes at their disposal…
Let nun not forget that Bill Clinton managed to barely escape impeachment – but was Disbarred of this Crimes and Misdemeanors.
He abused young female interns and other women – and Hillary served a his attack dog against them, pretense of ‘feminism’ was tossed into trash to keep Bill in Line.
There is a great video (since heavily censored) of Billy boy doing the contrite scam while in office, apparently while gassed up – just to keep his radical gender feminist handlers support – without which he would have done a Nixon Exit an even greater disgrace.
BTW – ‘Tricky Dick. Nixon was caught in a way the the Kennedy Clowns were protected from by papa Joe – and it the media had done its job then they would have been even more refiled…
Gosh – but these automatic spool-chuchers (spell check) seem to get worse with age,. kind of lie ehe Obama-Abomantion as it transitions in to en even greater global menace.
HILLARY’S HORRIBLE HEALTH
https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-hillarys-horrible-health?mc_cid=9fc428d2f2&mc_eid=2379a41bd0
If it isn’t painfully obvious to everyone in the world, the Democrats have become the party of Death because their master is Satan.
This is not to paint Republicans as the party of God — very extremely far from it. Nor is it to sing the praises of Donald Trump as some kind of Christian cultural savior.
The laser-beam focus of this episode is to simply and directly point out that the entire Democratic Party leadership and its allies — including some members of the Catholic hierarchy in the United States — are under the influence of Satan. What must be kept clearly in mind is that Satan has no…
“The laser-beam focus of this episode is to simply and directly point out that the entire Democratic Party leadership and its allies — including some members of the Catholic hierarchy in the United States — are under the influence of Satan.”
Thank you, Michael Mcdermott!
Please listen to the entire you tube video till the end. The link is below. The screen goes dark for a few seconds but watch and listen to the end.
Worth Watching: The Vicious Snake – read by Donald J. Trump
Date: September 18, 2016 at 4:39:42 AM PDT
https://youtu.be/hvuUQGto-_M
Bishops: Why aren’t you resettling Christian refugees?
Written by Elizabeth Yore
The money trail between the U.S. Catholic Bishops and the Obama Administration is becoming curiouser and curiouser.
As USASpending.gov, indicates the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) received a whopping $91,132,305 million in FY16 from the Obama Administration to resettle Syrian refugee migrants into the United States. continued….
continued…Additionally, the Obama Administration awarded The International Catholic Migration Commission(ICMC) $17,715,636 million in fiscal year 2016 to assist Syrian Migrants. Migration pays handsomely.
The overseas population of Syrian Christian refugees is estimated to be approximately 2.2 million. According to the U.S. Government, 10,081 Syrian refugees have been resettled into the United States. How many are Christian? Are you kneeling in your pew?
Only 56 of the resettled refugees are Christian!
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With 2.2 million Syrian Christian refugees, why are only 56 allowed into the United States? The imbalanced and discriminatory preference for Muslim refugee status is blatantly evident in the data.
Why are the U.S. Catholic Bishops only assisting 56 Christians? Why aren’t the Bishops demanding that the Christians should be a majority of refugees settling in the United States?
Why aren’t the Catholic Bishops, the voice of Christians who are persecuted and fleeing discrimination and death in Syria?
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Why aren’t the Catholic Bishops insisting that, as a condition of their extravagant federal grants, that persecuted Syrian Christians be represented in the majority of the refugees resettled into the United States?
Are they afraid to speak up for fear of losing their millions in federal grants? Have they received marching orders from the Vatican that they are not to advocate for Christians over Muslims? Are they following the actions of Pope Francis who returned from Lesbos with only Muslim refugees in the papal plane and left Christian migrants behind languishing in Lesbos?
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Why is the Catholic Church seemingly abandoning persecuted Christians who are desperate to flee persecution and resettle in the United States?
If the Catholic Bishops won’t fight for persecuted Syrian Christians, who will?
What’s going on?
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/2759-bishops-why-aren-t-you-resettling-christian-refugees
Why are Catholic bishops aiding Obama in his wicked discrimination against Christianity, as well, as his discrimination, against, the Christian refugees from Syria?
1 Timothy 6:10 For the desire of money is the root of all evils; which some coveting have erred from the faith and have entangled themselves in many sorrows. – Douay-Rheims
The United States Bars Christian, Not Muslim, Refugees From Syria
https://blogs.cfr.org/abrams/2016/09/09/the-united-states-bars-christian-not-muslim-refugees-from-syria/
Angela Merkel signals she may back down from open-door refugee policy after disastrous Berlin election
“If I could, I would go back in time to be better prepared for the refugee crisis in 2015, for which we were rather unprepared.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/merkel-signals-she-may-back-down-from-open-door-refugee-policy-a/
Muslim convert to Christianity warns America: “YOU CANNOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A COBRA !”
This is a powerful video. Every Catholic bishop should listen to this entire video and then they should honestly ask themselves? Are we being just as unwise as Angela Merkel by inviting in and shaking hands with a cobra while placing all Americans in harm’s way?
Isis Is Coming To Kill You, Former Muslim Woman Warns – YouTube