The following comes from a December 7 Catholic Culture article:
The Vatican has confirmed that homosexual men should not be ordained to the priesthood.
In a new instruction for the training of seminarians, entitled The Gift of the Priestly Vocation, the Congregation for the Clergy says that the Church “cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies, or support the so-called ‘gay culture.’“
The new Vatican document quotes the policy set forth in a 2005 statement from the Congregation for Catholic Education: “If a candidate practices homosexuality or presents deep-seated homosexual tendencies, his spiritual director as well as his confessor have the duty to dissuade him in conscience from proceeding towards ordination.”
That 2005 directive has been widely ignored in many dioceses, with seminary directors claiming that the caution applies only to openly practicing homosexuals.
The clear confirmation that homosexuals should not be ordained to the priesthood comes in a sweeping document that sets new standards for the training of priests throughout the world. In releasing the document, which carried the approval of Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Clergy explains that the last directive governing priestly formation was released in 1970 (and later amended in 1985), and more recent papal teachings called for a new set of standards.
Today is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. “Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.” (from the Beatitudes) Our Blessed Mother is a powerful intercessor, against sin, and by her prayers, the “serpent of sin” is vanquished! She is a powerful help, to prepare us all for Heaven! I have always loved the statues and artistic renderings of Our Lady, with her pure, sinless, holy, precious, feet, easily stepping on the “serpent,” depicting sin– and destroying it! She can give us many graces, for purity! The Catholic Church needs to again establish strong programs of spiritual devotions, from childhood, to venerate Our Lady, and imitate her virtues. Then, also, we will see less problems with such things as…
I will finish, with my above post. The Catholic Church needs to again establish strong programs of spiritual devotions, from childhood, to venerate Our Lady, and imitate her virtues. Then, also, we will see less problems with such things as homosexuality. We desperately need traditional Marian organizations, such as the Legion of Mary, and Fr. Patrick Peyton’s Family Rosary Crusade, in every parish! Daily Rosary, and imitation of the Blessed Mother’s virtues, will help so much, to destroy sin in our Church, and in our country!
Thank you Lord! I can see the LGBT propagandists howling soon!
Too bad it’s rarely enforced at the diocesan and seminary levels.
You have said a true thing, “FrMichael.” In fact, seminarian “gate keepers,” it is widely reported, often virtually direct hetersexual young men out of the seminaries, so that the seminary might attract and keep outright homosexuals, feminine men, and those men who are not quite sure of themselves. Of course, this kind of attitude transfers to the diocese, where rampant sexual predation often occurs (and continues to occur).
Homosexual men cannot ever, never, be priests. Lesbian women can never, ever, be nuns. And no homosexual should ever have anything to do with teaching in a Cathoic school or being a lay person with any responsibility at the parish level. Pray for those so inclined, but do not place them in positions of…
Part Deux — ” . . . trust within the Church. No, it does not really matter if someone claims to be a homosexual but that they are “not now active.” Homosexuality has virtually destroyed the institutional Catholic Church.
“no homosexual should ever have anything to do with….being a lay person with any responsibility at the parish level.” SC – My parish just asked me to chair a committee to install a new kitchen in the parish / school hall. I know about commercial kitchens. Please tell my how my being a lesbian makes me unqualified.
You did not say if you were a practicing homosexual, “C&H.” For example, if you were “married” to, or living with, another woman, then you should have no formal role at all with the parish. The point, which you know and seek to bait with sympathetic circumstances, is that homosexuals holding visible parish positions create scandal. A Catholic parish should not seek services from an overtly homosexual person or organization for that reason. This is no different than denying communion to known practicing homosexuals, which a priest must do notwithstanding a misguided Pope and his theologically challenged cronies.
It’s not about you personally. Rather, it’s impossible to vet out which homosexuals are dangerous, and which are not. It has been patently absurd, for example, to impose all the background checks, fingerprinting, etc. on lay Catholics, mothers and fathers, when there is no basis whatever. That was just scapegoating by the lavender bishops. The fact is 81% of the abuse was homosexual. If it walks like a duck. Sorry, no system is perfect.
Dear Ralph, if it’s impossible to vet out which homosexuals are dangerous, then it is equally impossible to vet out which heterosexuals are dangerous. C&H offered a concrete example of the ability to judge an industrial stove for a parish kitchen. How much vetting does one need for such a position?
Sorry YFC, homosexuals did 81% of the abuse. Heterosexuality, in and of itself, is not disordered. I don’t know how much vetting is needed for a single position, it’s just too much to bother with. At the end of the day, the LGBT movement in the Church is about infiltration, women priests, gay marriages, communion in state of sin, etc., and overturn the order ordained by God. And have gay religious orders. Clean up your own house first, then complain. Expect some opposition. Sorry, no system is perfect.
Actually, because I cater events for the school a few times a year and I have to cross the schoolyard to get from the rectory to the kitchen, I’ve been both fingerprint checked and taken the on-line training to recognise abuse. Universal background checks for those involved with parish children are vital to preventing it. Everyone in a parish community gay or straight has a responsibility to help prevent these horrible things from happening again
C&H, completely on point at 1024 am. worth repeating:” Universal background checks for those involved with parish children are vital to preventing it [sexual abuse of minors]. Everyone in a parish community gay or straight has a responsibility to help prevent these horrible things from happening again.”
amen
I suppose Michael Voris should give up his video programming? What about his mentorship programming for young adolescent men?
There’s no way I’d allow Michael Voris to mentor my son. Sorry. Would not happen.
Well, Ann Malley, he’s vehemently opposed to SSPX, so I’m sure that has something to do with your judgement.
He’s vehemently opposed to giving full disclosure in addressing real problems and their roots, YFC. Voris has obvious blind spots and serious inconsistencies that do him, but mostly the Church and the faithful, no service.
I did not know that he had come out but I am glad he did. He told enough of his background that one would suspect exactly what he has publicly admitted to. God bless him.
the late, francis cardinal Spellman of new York was gay there are other cardinalswho were gay but Spellman ordained may priests and bishops so are they valid all the priests in new York knew Spellman was gay and what difference does it make pope francis is doing a ggod job I have known hundreds of gay priests but the directive says nothing about gay deacons the usa also had a gay president james buchannan and all the senators knew it so what difference does it make lord the president of apple computer is gay tim heads the richest company in the world are you going to stop buying apple products because the president is gay and what about shep the fox news anchor who just came out
Are you a robo-commenter “thomas nawn?” Your point of “what difference does it make” is nonsensical. The fact that there have been, and are, homosexuals in the Church and in politics means nothing regarding the moral nature of the sexual sins that they commit. Sodomy is a mortal sin, now and always, whether Cardinal Spellman or anyone else engages in it. That truth means that those in high public office, and certainly within the Church, give scandal to other Catholics by engaging or condoning homosexual sex.
T.N., Then why your bias against the inventor of punctuation?
Not bias. Ignorance.
So Many Lives could have been spared such Evil, had ‘We’ but listened to ourselves :
Author Tammy Bruce explained Ephebophilia in her book “The Death of Right & Wrong”:
“Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that’s too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood – molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult.
The gay community must face the truth and see sexual molestation of an adolescent for the abuse it is, instead of the ‘coming of age’ experience many regard it as being.”
Tammy Bruce – ‘The Death of Right & Wrong’.
The article would be much more informative if it included a short paragraph describing the 1970 and 1985 standards and how they were ignored/disobeyed.
Some gay aquaintences have told me one can remain ‘unouted’ for a very long time if one is careful. This can include ‘gaming’ psych evaluations. Since seminarians can’t have girlfriends, the lack thereof shouldn’t be an issue.
Well this is all fine and dandy, but they don’t mean it in actual practice. It would be news if they were consistent in word and deed concerning this issue.
I agree with Kristin! The Vatican is not sincere. And many prelates, such as Bishop McElroy, have actively promoted the “LGBT agendas,” lifelong, in their so-called “ministries”– instead of promoting Catholic teaching and virtue! They also refuse to promote authentic, excellent Catholic groups to help the LGBT’s, such as “Courage.”
Bishop McElroy is very disturbing, in that he has told his priests of the Diocese of San Diego, that they must “welcome” divorced and remarried Catholic couples, cohabitating Catholic couples, and gay and lesbian Catholic couples, to receive Communion. He wants all of his priests to make pubic announcements as well as church bulletin announcements, regarding this. I wonder how good priests of the San Diego Diocese feel about this, and how they are responding, to their Bishop’s desires and demands??
LM, prove your point. Quote for us a statement where the Bishops said that those who are divorced and remarried may receive Communion. Cite date and location.
The faithful, can daily see, hear, and smell the foul and rotten stench, all the way to Rome. Today, St. Catherine of Siena would have also been accused of smelling fake news too. Meanwhile, jon, ridiculously wants times, dates and locations of the foul smells. Pathetic actions of a odor protector! Cardinal Mahony, Bishop McElroy, Bishop Blair have all been the greatest purveyors of protecting fake teachings, regarding homosexuality and also using the race card to drum up divisive support for their own private agendas. Cite, the date and place where any of these individuals publicly stood up and held the CCC Second Edition, saying, “Don’t worry Christ’s Church, “I’ve got your back, I’m behind you all the way when it comes to…
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defending and upholding each and every one of Christ’s teachings.” These wolves in sheep’s clothing have abandoned their primary duty for politics and they now talk and behave like fear mongering race baiters, no different than Al Sharpton or the woman in the video below.
Video of Orange Coast College teacher indoctrinating students that Trump voters are all terrorists. – Coast Report Online : Campus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcI0Glc6jXU
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The sex abuse scandals were NOT fake news! Tragically, It took that horrifically dispensed worldwide foul stench to call a small slow down to the terrible damage that is still being done. Open disobedience is now commonplace. The house is still filthy and in need of a great housecleaning! Allowing homosexualizing clergy, teachers and activists to comfortably purvey fake teachings IS sinful.
jon, instead of ignorantly attacking mature, concerned fellow Catholics sitting in the same pews with you– try to EDUCATE yourself, by reading, and becoming literate, as to what is happening, in our Church!! Next, after reading and educating yourself on the subject– then, you are qualified to write about your reflections on the subject. For example, in this case– do you agree, or not agree, with the Bishop– and why. Do you agree or disagree with the teachings of our Catholic Faith– and why. Etc. Of course, like I tried to tell you previously— everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But it is best to EDUCATE yourself, not mindlessly attack others!
jon, try reading the news story on Bishop McElroy, in the Nov. 28, 2016 edition, of LifeSiteNews, on your computer. Do you agree with him??
LM, since when has a demand for proof been considered an “attack”? You have not proven your point concerning Bishop McElroy. You have not provided proof.
jon, you sound so babyish! Why is it so much trouble for you to READ and EDUCATE yourself, on this subject, like other mature Catholics??
So, jon, here is what to do– and I am older, and not very computer-literate.
1. Go to the website, http://www.lifesitenews.com
2. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, to a grey area, and you see “Archives,” the second item, in a column, on the far left-hand side
3. Click on “Archives.”
4. Type in “Bishop McElroy, Nov. 28, 2016” in the big box, at the top, and click.
5. Click on the first news story that you will see.
And read it!
So, jon– after reading this, what do you think? Be sure to tell us all your views! You are free to write them! Bishop McElroy and Pope Francis believe the same things, about reception of Holy Communion. And what do YOU think, jon, about that?? Tell us! We’re waiting!
You want to know what I think? As I had said in another post, I’ve read the article, and it says NOTHING to prove what you are claiming: that this American bishop has said that those who are divorced and remarried may receive Communion. NOWHERE. You have therefore not proven your point. Your claim is bunk. BUNK!
Well, jon, so you say that you have read the news story regarding the Bishop– but you sound as if you did not at all understand what you read! Most people would disagree with your conclusions! Again— yes, the Bishop, as well as Pope Francis, both believe in Holy Communion for divorced/remarried Catholics without annulments, cohabitating Catholics, and gay partners who are sexually active together. Plus, to welcome “gay families,” is also what the two of them both believe. Gay families?? How about their poor children, in this terrible situation of immorality, and potential harm to them?? Guess they don’t care about the poor children! As for you– why lie, and deny what Bishop McElroy publicly stated??
The statement from Bishop McElroy does mention the use of the internal forum. That is remarried Catholics and their confessor discerning that even without an annulment there is no impediment for the remarried Catholic to return to Communion. It isn’t anything new. Pope Francis did not invent this. It existed prior to Vatican II. It is something the Church kept quiet for fear of scandal.
LM, if jon sees no “proof” that communion for the divorce & remarried is now allowed, isn’t the inference from jon that he believes divorce & remarriage still precludes communion? The next question to jon would be, does he believe divorce & remarriage should preclude communion? The rest of this exchange is just tempest in a teapot.
Ralph, besides the Bishop wrongfully encouraging reception of Holy Communion for the divorced/re-married without annulments— also, it is very disturbing, the concept of unmarried, cohabitating (“living in sin”) Catholic couples, and gay Catholic couples, and their “gay families,” to not only be welcomed (which is correct, as we should always welcome others, in Christ’s Name!) but to receive Holy Communion?? No, of course not! First, they all must receive a good Catholic education, in the teachings of our Church! Next, to proceed any further– the Sacrament of Confession, plus a big life change, are required– BEFORE reception of Holy Communion— the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, of Our Lord Jesus Christ!!
I think this website, ” California Catholic Daily,” carried this news story, about Bishop McElroy, on Nov. 29, 2016, the day after the story also appeared, on the website, http://www.lifesitenews.com!!
St Catherine of Siena by Fr James Martin sj
St. Catherine of Siena, the Doctor of the Church was one in a long line of redoubtable saints who called the church to reform. She was also one of the saints whose manifest holiness allowed her to speak the truth to power–not for her own benefit, but for the good of the church she loved so much.
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In the 14th century, for example, St. Catherine wrote the pope, then living in exile in Avignon, France, urging him to return to his ministry in Rome: “Be a man!” she said. “Father, I say to you: Arise!” To a group of corrupt cardinals in Rome, she wrote, “You are flowers that shed no perfume, but a stench that makes the whole world reek.” When they asked how she could possibly make this judgment from her far-off post, Catherine replied that the smell reached all the way to Siena.
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St. Catherine of Siena gives lie to the widely held stereotype of the docile, simpering, shrinking-violet saint, and the stereotype of the saint who never finds herself in conflict with anyone in church leadership. Other saints brought about change in the church in less confrontational but no less effective ways, but Catherine felt she that could not remain silent. St. Catherine of Siena, pray for us!
Since support for the so-called “gay culture” is a disqualifier, Bp McElroy should be in Job Search mode right about now. I hear there’s a great retraining program over at Immaculate Heart in Old Towne.
He can start in the Bulletin’s bend, fold, but don’t mutilate department. There is an opening.
Actually, the fact that a Church document would even refer to something as vague and non-existent as a “gay culture” shows how little the Church has tried to understand gay people instead of treating them as stereotypes. And Because they show so little knowledge, the regulation, except in its insistence on celibacy, is widely ignored.
Gay culture: 1) Brunch on Saturday mornings with mimosas. 2) Mandatory attendance at every Broadway show coming to town 3) Monthly haircuts, or more frequent 4) You must rename your Facebook friends list, your “grrlfriend list”. What, seriously, is THAT what the regulation is talking about?
By the way, when I said before that you and others who push so-called same-sex marriage “seduce” young people into that lifestyle, I did not mean that you or all the others molest them. “Seduce” can mean to encourage wrongful behavior, and does not always mean to molest.
In other words, it causes them to think such behavior between two men or two women is all right. when it is destructive.
It was probably a poor choice of words on my part, although it was not intentional, so I do apologize for using that particular word if I misused it.
What are you saying, “YFC?” This has to do with homosexuals becoming priests (although the Francis NewChurch has now permitted a kind of softening approach, so if a young man was confused, but not really queer, he could proceed on at the seminary: “danger, danger, Will Robinson . . .”).
What i am saying is that insofar as the Latin Rite Churches prohibits married clergy and therefor expect sexual abstinence, it is completely proper and appropriate to expect gay seminarians and candidates to the priesthood to abstain as well. It might be that that wasnt clear before. Always seemed obvious to me, but maybe not to others. This clarification is welcome. The homosexual culture prohibition is, however, a muddying of the waters and is rightly rejected by seminary leadership and Bishops.
“…It might be that that wasn’t clear before. Always seemed obvious to me, but maybe not to others.”
Seriously, YFC? Come on.
It is also perfectly clear that all Catholics avoid the occasion of sin and having a “homosexual” man live fixed in a community of “all men” is rather like having a heterosexual priest live in the middle of a convent.
Priestly training candidates will however be required to study and preach on climate-change: From the new guidelines on clergy formation (2016):
“Protecting the environment and caring for our common home — the Earth, belong fully to the Christian outlook on man and reality. Priests should be “promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.” (https://www.catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=72433)
No mention of Jesus Christ nor His Gospel. A secular-atheist message under a thin veneer of an alleged “Christian outlook”— which has actually no basis in Scripture nor Tradition.
Right, “alleged” Christian outlook. In reality a global Marxism implementation program. Our church is filled with so many of Lenin’s “useful idiots.”