The following comes from a July 28 story on RecordNet.com.
Two handsome men get married as their happy parents look on weeping with joy, and the couple lives happily ever after.
Sound like a fairy tale?
It is.
University of the Pacific (Stockton CA) business management professor Jeffry Miles has written The Princes and the Treasure, a children’s book about two handsome princes who go on a quest to find treasures and rescue a beautiful princess but discover that the real treasure is finding their love for each other.
“I attempted to do a fairy tale that was similar to but different from other fairy tales,” said Miles, an openly gay man. “I wanted it to look similar, because parents have said they read this book along with other fairy tales, and children don’t distinguish between the two. That was the point….
“I had always wanted a book like this when I was a child,” said Miles, 52.
The idea struck him on a trip to “an amusement park that will go unnamed” when he was sitting in front of the castle watching princes dancing with princesses. It reminded him of reading fairy tales as a child, knowing he was never going to end up with a princess.
“I knew when I was very young, single digits, 4 or 5, the children’s books I was reading, that it was never going to apply to me in my life,” Miles said. “I wanted to fill that void for people like myself and write a book that would meet that need….”
The story features Gallant and Ernest, two princes who set out to rescue the captured Princess Elena. To save her, they must go on a quest and collect five items. Each leg of the journey finds them encountering danger and adventure, from a red octopus to a snake. The physical Gallant and intellectual Ernest learn lessons from one another and in the end find true love. They’re married in church by a vicar in front of happy family members.
In creating the book, Miles followed none of his business training in terms of studying a target market or familiarizing himself with the publishing and distribution process.
Literary agents weren’t interested. Neither were publishers, though none actually told him it was because of the story’s content. He set up Handsome Prince Publishing and published himself. The process took about a year, between writing the story, which had to be edited down from 3,000 to fewer than 1,000 words, collaborating electronically with the San Diego-based illustrator J.L. Phillips, and sending it to Ingram Content Group to print….
As a child growing up in Columbus, Ohio, Miles’ sexual orientation was never an issue. He swam competitively from the time he was 8 and became involved in music when he started middle school. He didn’t come out as a gay man until he was in his mid-30s. He and his partner of 10 years, Patrick Lastowski, to whom the book is dedicated, married the first day it was legal in California, June 17, 2008….
He’s having it translated into 10 other languages and has had companies offer to produce an audio version of it for free, just to have their name associated with the book. He’s written a sequel, and a third story is nearly complete, both of which he hopes to release in 2015.,,,
To read original story, click here.
Going after the children. It’s their ultimate goal. All these “rights” to “marriage” and “tolerance” and “acceptance” are mere stepping stones on the road to the holy grail of the sodomites: “equal rights” to the children of others. Now you know why 2% of the population commits 33% of all child sex abuse.
http://www.tinyurl.com/HomoAbusers
And thank you juergensen, you are a good soul. You have always warned the lay faithful about them wanting children and you are right.
They dishonor the natural law and are now messing with children and secular heterosexual couples will be deceived into thinking this is OK to support.
Saint John Bosco once said “tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are”. We can tell by those who buy and condone these unholy things.
Those who have informed moral conscience and who fear the Lord, will not assist in the promotion of any sin.
Thank you, Abeca. Who really believes that men who sodomize each other (and worse) give a fig about “marriage”? They don’t. They’re just using “marriage” as an instrument to gain “equal rights” to all the “fruits” of “marriage”, which includes children. And since they can’t bear children, the only way sodomites can have rights that are “equal” to the rights of heterosexual couples is to have “equal rights” to the children of heterosexual couples. We’re almost there.
juergensen you are correct, I remember hearing about that from an ex-practicing homosexual, he also exposed NAMBLA, he said that they wanted to normalize men boy love, they even had some on board with psychiatric backgrounds. Pretty sick. I remember also Dr. Laura, in the early 90’s, she was exposing those facts too. She predicted about this in books etc before it happened and no one took it seriously. While some homosexuals do not fall into that mentality but there is a big group that does, that is why you are stating what you are saying because it is a known fact exposed by some who know and did not like what they were seeing.
Juergensen, this is ridiculous. If you think gay men and lesbians get married in order to get children to abuse, then you really are out there in lala land. There is absolutely nothing about marriage that confers access to children, at least not in most of the states that it is happening in. Marriage didn’t suddenly endow gay men with sperm, and marriage is not required for adoption in many states. And almost all child abuse occurs with a single adult, not a couple, so why would a child abuser want to get married if their purpose was to abuse? Your disgusting implications about why gay people want to get married simply makes no sense, and everyone with a brain knows it doesn’t make sense.
The first couple to get married in California were together for FIFTY YEARS, and one of them died of old age shortly after. Do you REALLY think they got married in order to abuse children? Your ongoing comments are so disgusting that they are solidifying support for those wanting same sex marriage. You are the Catholic version of Westboro Baptist Church. Guess what? Westboro’s own kids are now supporters of equal rights for gay people including marriage, because they saw hatred up close and personal and Thank God they chose the better path. You can too.
Sodomites’ ultimate lust is boys. Why do you think are they trying to get into the BOY Scouts and not the GIRL Scouts?
Read “Myth No. 8” (and all 10 myths about homosexuality) in this handy brochure:
http://www.tinyurl.com/10SodomiteMyths
Since when is bearing false witness no longer considered a sin?
juergensen, gay people are already in the girl scouts. The Girl scouts doesn’t discriminate the way the Boy Scouts have. Besides which, MARRIAGE, which is what we are talking about here, has nothing to do with the Boy Scouts.
Yes, lesbians are in the Girl Scouts, and for the same reason sodomites want to be in the Boy Scouts. It’s the 2%-33% thingy again: 2% of the population committing 33% of all child sex abuse.
http://www.tinyurl.com/homoabusers
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Sodomites’ ultimate lust is boys. Why do you think they are trying to get into the BOY Scouts and not the GIRL Scouts?
Read “Myth No. 8″ (and all 10 myths about homosexuality) in this handy brochure:
https://www.tinyurl.com/10SodomiteMyths
The couple you referred to had no other purpose than to serve themselves. It was about having a “right” to access the $$$$. How can a gay couple give to each other, without reserve? They can’t it’s fruitless. But it is the indoctrination against faith and morals they advocate. They will “marry” and continue as their right, but there is bigotry on the gay agenda as well. Why should they interfere with the upbringing of children by using “fairy tale” ideas? It is the intent that is evil, distorting the Truth for a lie. St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans speaks clearly on these matters: “Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” This is the cause of moral degradation in the culture of death. No, I’m finger-pointing, but as Christians, we face a greater challenge: Do we truly believe the Truths in the Teaching of the Catholic Church? Or do we somehow try and rationalize sinful acts because . Homosexual acts are openness to other sexual impurities and abuse by individuals. This it Truth. Never think or disbelieve it won’t happen. And it happens to the most vulnerable and innocent.
“Four types of this form of criminal wickedness can be distinguished in an effort to show you the totality of the whole matter in and orderly way: some sin with themselves alone [masturbation]; some by the hands of others [mutual masturbation]; others between the thighs [interfemoral intercourse]; and finally, others commit the complete act against nature [anal intercourse].” – St. Peter Damian (“The Book Of Gomorrah” 11th century A.D.)
CCC 2359. “Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.”
CCC 2396. “Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.”
St. Peter Damian forgot about oral intercourse. Or is that not a sin?
And of course Anonymous would bring a totally inappropriate comment, just like a “dirty joke.”
This anonymous gives the name anonymous a bad rep. I wont’ entertain your question, its irrelevant, the truth is the truth. you know the answer, I’m sure you are smarter that you make yourself out to be.
This is just horrible! The field of Children’s Literature, for many years (since the diabolic 1960’s!) has had NO STANDARDS for proper and acceptable literature for children– and NO MORALITY, either! This field, once beautiful and trustworthy– has been a TOTAL FRAUD– for many, many years!! When will all these liberal, immoral, “politically correct,” pseudo- intellectual LITERARY FRAUDS– and their publishing companies, and bookstores everywhere– when will they all GROW UP, or GIVE UP?? This professor ought to keep his craziness to himself!! LEAVE INNOCENT CHILDREN ALONE!! Childhood is SACRED!!
yes Linda Maria I agree with you to be outraged, I feel the same. This is horrible. I feel the need to go over there and protest. A grid to form conscience, read Philippians 4 8 -9
Douay-Rheims Bible
“For the rest, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever modest, whatsoever just, whatsoever holy, whatsoever lovely, whatsoever of good fame, if there be any virtue, if any praise of discipline, think on these things. The things which you have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, these do ye, and the God of peace shall be with you.”
Linda Maria, do you mean that there are no censors against free speech rights of those who would right these stories? Do you actually agree with the first amendment? Or not?
Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom to bring about disillusion, irrational conclusions, and confusion. Hold fast to Truth, Church! Pray Hard!
Amen to that ALL4HIM. We must first form our conscience in our Lord. Once we give our life to Jesus, this stuff will disgust us.
When Jesus and His mum came into my life, I am no longer the same, therefore I can not fill my mind with wicked things, I can not dirty my mind and my soul with worldly things. I belong to Jesus, so they may argue and defend these unholy things, then they do not welcome Jesus because our beloved Jesus wants no part in this and neither should we, who follow Him. A person suffering with same sex attractions, who seeks God’s good holy will, will also have no part in this.
Linda, you should read a recent biography of J.M. Barrie, who wrote Peter Pan. The man was a pedophile. You can appreciate the poor little lost boys of neverneverland in a whole new light. This sort of thing is nothing new…they were just more subtle in past generations. I remember reading Bambi to my son and having to edit it as I read because of the fascist attitudes expressed in it…it’s nothing like the Disney film. If there’s no parental guidance and no Biblical stories taught, a child can become very confused and led astray through such insidious literature. Michael Obrien has written a book on recommended children’s literature called ‘ Landscape with Dragons – The Battle for Your Child’s MInd ‘. He exposes books like Harry Potter et al, and though books such as the one discussed here is very obvious in its intent, there are many even worse because they are very subtle and devious.
I will never look at Peter Pan the same way again. Good grief.
AMEN!!!
I completely agree Linda Marie,
I was appalled at some of the materials my neighbor pushed their children to read. One book included mutiple tales about: 1) fornication, 2) beastiality, 3) attempted homosexual rape 4) heterosexual rape 4) genocide 5) human sacrifice 6) slavery 7) endorsed genocide as a moral act 8) all kinds of violence.
Our children would be much better off if we protected them from filth. What was this book, you ask.
It’s called: The Bible.
Now, i know most of you are are rather annoyed at me now, but I am making a point. Censorship is difficult to apply in an objective manner. It will inherently include biases based on our beliefs about “right” and “wrong”—such that most christian will filter the fact that the bible contains some very mature subjects that might not be appropriate for unsupervised children.
Does this mean it should be censored and banned?
JonJ you are not making a point. Its stupid argument you just made!!!!! If you feared the Lord, you would not have concluded in the way you did..trying to make a point?…utterly ridiculous.
Utterly ridiculous?
Or maybe you don’t want to recognize how much you have filtered from your awareness because you are taught to revere the Bible as an unqualified good for people to read?
The fact is, Chrstians have been filtering the Bible for centuries while introducing it to their children—or did you explain to 6 year olds precisely what “lying with animals” meant?
JonJ are you really looking for answers? I ask in kindness. I wonder because I know you from posting here for a while and many a times, the lay faithful have charitably replied to you. JonJ in my point of view, some things are not debatable. Come to me when you are soul searching and really are looking for answers, then we can seek Jesus together in humility. Please don’t make me repeat what has been repeated to you throughout the years on this website. I have hope for you and I pray for you, but I refuse to reply not unless you are asking out of a place with no agendas or trying to prove a point because frankly they are all irrelevant to me. I’m being honest. I hope not to hurt your person. My goal is what pleases Jesus. Not what points JonJ or others are trying to make or how much time they are going to trap me into long winded debates that frankly, as we have seen with regulars, can be useless. A good priest told me that we must admonish once, twice and even answer kindly, gently and mercifully but after that, we just need to walk away and pray more. God hasn’t given up on you. I do appreciate that you have never been rude to me or disrespectful. I appreciate how you try to communicate well your point of view, as much I disagree with you, I never felt intimidated by you, its a good thing. Thanks JonJ Fix your eye’s on Jesus.
There are children’s books in both bookstores, and in the public libraries for children of all ages– even board books for babies and toddlers!– with stories dealing with gay couples and children, very openly! A HORROR!! I even saw several children’s books, at the children’s library, placed with other books in a special, featured book area– on Pope Francis, with photos of gay couples together, in one chapter– explaining to children, that the Catholic Church does not believe in homosexual “marriage.” It made me SICK!! To put such material in a children’s book– is HORRIBLE, and in BAD TASTE, to say the least!! Especially, in a children’s religious book, all about the Pope!! TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE AND SICK!!!!
What is inappropriate and sick is the fact that people would allow their toddlers to stroll around libraries without supervision. Just saying.
The other thing that is inappropriate and sick is that you would throw the first amendment out the window in order to keep kids from seeing examples of lifelong commitments of love and mutual support. Would you want them to see examples of broken lives, broken marriages, broken families, alcohol and drug abuse, sexual diseases, and all the things we know for a fact stem from homophobia and the desire to keep gay people single and unloved?
Oh, please, you who call yourself YFC, misusing each other’s bodies is in no way “love”. It is just a dangerous, disease ridden, bodily injurious decadent vice that can contribute to anal and colon cancer among many other problems.
False on all counts Anne T. Being gay and being in love is not a cause of any of the things you list, especially colon cancer. For more information, you might consult the Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/colon-cancer/basics/definition/con-20031877
I see nothing on that website that disproves what I said, and I have seen plenty of other medical websites that say misusing the anal passage can contribute to such cancers besides all the other diseases from such activity It is only common sense and simple biology that that part of the body is not construction for such activity, but for the passage of feces which does not cause such trauma.. Surgeon General Koop said years ago right on national television during the AIDS epidemic that such behavior can cause tears in the lining which makes that area more susceptible to diseases. The LGBT community tried to shut him up, but anyone with an ounce of common sense knows he was right. I also had a nurse who worked in S.F. who told me when they try to get young men to stop the behavior because it is so dangerous to them, they go after their jobs and try to get them fired. She finally left S.F. I don’t blame her. I think it is criminal to teach children that such behavior is safe and healthy.
YFC, the story of David and Jonathon, or Luke and Paul…so many beautiful stories of male friendships, male love and support for one another. This is natural and good. It is not natural for this bond to take on the nature of what has always, from the very beginning of mankind, been the God-given authority of a marriage between a man and a woman. This authority was not given to men to marry men. It is not healthy to show children a relationship posing as something that God never intended. As in the lovely film we recently read about here, where the man who lived with his same sex partner chastely when he was converted to Christianity, weren’t you at all convicted on the truth he shared? If you truly love the other person you want the best for them, no? This always requires sacrifice on our part, not self=gratification. Love God first, self last. Difficult indeed!
It is sad, but parents cannot allow their children to wander anywhere without strict supervision these days. Even the picture book section at the library as the attempt is to plant seeds in their minds at increasing younger ages.
How long Oh, Lord. How long!
Linda Marie, an instructional assistant in a public school once told me how she had thrown out a book in the school library called something like “So and So Has Two Moms”. I found out for myself about the terrible changes in some children’s books when I bought a book on holidays for one of my grandsons when he was small. It had every major American Christian holiday in it, including Mother’s Day, but not Father’s Day. I was upset and could not figure out why the book excluded Father’s Day. Instead it had a June wedding (heterosexual, thank God). I would have taken it back, but I had not kept the receipt. I realize now I should have tried anyway to exchange it for another book, but instead I wrote in Father’s Day over the groom. Parents are wise to read any book you buy for your children or any other child before you purchase it, unless you already know what is in it, and/or at least keep the receipt for awhile.
Oh my gosh, Anne T. you are so right……I made that mistake with my granddaughter who is a voracious reader. The book I bought for her turned out to be the one she chose for school sharing…..large white board and all. The husband in the story was an abuser…..need I say more……absolutely horrifying experienc for me…..her parents were “too busy” to even look at what she was hauling off to school…….we all learned a BIG lesson at the expense of our granddaughters innocence….sigh…..it’s sooo hard these days to protect our children!
If you can find the old Disney short “Education for Death”, look at how the Nazis perverted traditional children’s tales to gain converts for their evil cause. This tactic is nothing new and always an abomination.
Hence, Captain America!!!
Glorifying mortal sin! Absolutely disgusting! Indoctrination of little, innocent children! Woe to anyone who does anything to God’s little children!
Amen to that RR. I agree with you. Moral relativism denies the truth . This is a modern day disease affecting society and all churches. Remember when Obama was first seeking to force Obamacare to the people a few years back. I remember sending a flash email to all my lists to get people to fight Obamacare. I have a few friends from the Latin Mass (SSPX), one family from that parish emailed me arguing with me that it was not a sin to support it. Since this family had a big family and they couldn’t afford to get insurance, they were actually for Obamacare. Our emails went back and forth, I didn’t want to argue, I was trying to be charitable but it didn’t work out. I apologized and told him to talk to his priest about it. I left it at that.
I’d be curious if they were ever able to enroll in obamacare, Abeca?
Abecca: It is definitely a mortal sin to support it. The culture of death has it’s hand in Obamacare! Unfortunately, there are people out there who put money before their faith. They support what is good for their pocketbook and not their souls. Their children will be lead astray by their parents example. This is truly sad!
I only know that since the insurance system was changed do to Obamacare, all my family’s out of pocket went up drastically. My husband is paying three times as much for all his medicine. Luckily, I no longer have to take but one medicine. One of my daughters is now having trouble getting help for her child with a disability when there was no problem before with the same insurance plan. Now they argue over who should pay and how much because there are so many regulations.. I believe the whole idea of this administration was to make it so hard for people to keep the insurance they have that everyone will end up on government plans, except the legislators who caused the mess..
The last pre-Obamacare insurance plan I applied for I was denied, and was forced into a plan twice as expensive as I needed. After Obamacare, I got the plan I had wanted in the first place, and am saving thousands of dollars a year, and putting the difference into an HSA. Overall, health care costs are stagnant, for the first time in almost a century.
I agree with all of you ladies. Thanks RR for your reply. I agree. Thanks Anne T, I’m sorry to hear, I heard that this is leaving nightmares for many. This is definitively forced upon the people, I find it unconstitutional.
Dana I don’t know, I haven’t seen that family or heard from them in a while. I think they are still mad at me for sending that email back then. Such is life. Can’t win them all.
This is the church of the New Order would you expect them to teach Catholicism?? Guys wake up, the Church was lost decades ago with the Second Vatican Council, which by the why “was and is not dogma” as some Novus Ordonarians and Neo-Cons would have you to believe. Pray for our Holy Roman Church and for the return of the Traditional Latin Mass.
Janek keep losing more readers because of your fanatical point of view. Quit insulting the faithful, people like myself. Our Lord is in both the OF and EF mass. Do not argue over this because doing so is a sin, but do defend the truth in the OF. Do not blind yourself in this sick thinking as this Janek woman posts. Our beloved Lord is crucified again not only by those who promote evil acts against the Natural law but also with those who make arguments against the OF mass. This is a modern day spiritual disease affecting our world today, not only coming from the protestants but also coming from those outside promoting the Latin mass. Its a disgrace and causes people to have ill feelings about the Latin mass, it makes it hard for those of us who want to encourage people to discover the Tridentine EF Mass. Her comments speak for themselves, those who are fear the Lord will discern that she is not a just woman.
Abeca, I continue to think that you have the best take on the mutual merits of OF/EF. I’m glad to have the opportunity to agree with you once again.
Janek I am not trying to insult you personally, I never meant that, but it was you who began your comments in such a way that brought forth those sentiments. Read my comments and try, please to meet me half way. If you know me from posting here for years, I have always defended the Latin Mass. I even promote it but I will not sit here and watch people degrade the OF mass according to GIRM either. Our Lord is there. Meek and humble, patient and merciful. Look to your faith and love for our Beloved Jesus, if He is there, who are we to make such comments against the OF mass according to the GIRM. Do you not see how you injure those who are fallen away? Jesus is still in the OF mass out of mercy for the sick, the sinners need Jesus too. Include me in too but just think, how merciful is our Lord, when someone grows spiritually and discovers more love also in the EF mass. Some people require baby steps.
I understand that you too care, I get it. But do you get what I mean too?
Read Janek’s comments, Abeca, and the exhaustive realities of Steve Phoenix’s posts and those of Catherine. Why should Janek listen to you as a self-proclaimed ‘faithful’ and read what you write when you continually refuse to read that which would give you a greater understanding of what Janek and others are attempting to say?
Yet you admonish Janek to, “…Read my comments and try, please to meet me half way. If you know me from posting here for years, I have always defended the Latin Mass. I even promote it but I will not sit here and watch people degrade the OF mass according to GIRM either.”
That last sentence is translated as I will not do the reading required – even though you admonish others to read and discern charity – so as to understand the reasoning why folks say what they do about the Novus Ordo. What are you afraid of, Abeca? Nobody is saying the Novus Ordo is invalid. Not at all. But rather that there are reasons to prefer the TLM. You just refuse to listen, read, or learn. That said, you cannot with any credibility expect others to heed your admonishments just because you say you are ‘faithful’. Others are faithful, too, and yet understand these issues as we all should.
Please stop trying to shut people down who love Our Lord.
Also Abeca, writing, “…Janek I am not trying to insult you personally, I never meant that, but it was you who began your comments in such a way that brought forth those sentiments.”
You are blaming Janek for your insulting commentary. That is no apology. Janek is not responsible for your sentiments. YOU are responsible for your feelings, Abeca, and how you convey them. Stop blaming others, please, for those things you openly admit you have no understanding of when you openly admit that you do not want said understanding.
That is not Church teaching.
Janek, keep posting as you see fit. Others, who feel at liberty to insult average intelligence, even their own, may attempt to paint themselves as faithful and gathering those to the TLM, but when push comes to shove, have nothing whatever to back up their claims to their own willful ignorance about the root of division. Saying division doesn’t exist doesn’t make Truth go away. It doesn’t keep youth in the pews either as evidenced by ongoing polls. Patronizing has that effect on people, even young people.
That said, I wish so called faithful would quit insulting the intelligence of the ‘faithful’ and people in general. This notion that one has to manifest ignorance to remain faithful is so off putting.
Painting Catholics as grossly ignorant and incapable of adult discussion for fear of sin doesn’t attract anybody to the Catholic Faith either. It may cajole them into the Church Community, but that is not transmitting the Faith. Sadly, there are numerous posters here that cannot discern the difference – not because they are too ignorant – but rather because they choose not learn.
Anonymous from another thread, Catherine is not the one making people leave. It is comments like JaneK and the pro-gay comments against the faith, that are doing just that.
Those who are faithful and who prefer the OF Mass according to the GIRM, Janek’s comments only divides. We have seen that even this discussion from another thread, that those who are promoting that arguments about the Mass in either form, has not brought blessings. It has divided those of us who are trying to fight the good fight, it has not helped bring God’s people together and it has weakened our/their stand to stand together and fight against evil forces.
I find it hard to see Jesus hand in these comments, how can anyone love Jesus and still deny Him His presence in the OF by their comments. To belittle where He is also, is a sin!
I always felt the presence of our Beloved Jesus in the OF mass growing up. My first confession, my heart was opened up once again, and I felt Jesus love and mercy, His forgiveness. If I could have, I would have walked on clouds, I will never forget my first confession, my love for Jesus in the Mass, in the OF Mass. The mass of my childhood. I looked forward to going to Mass, if my parents didn’t take my sisters and I, then we would walk, rain or shine.
Well it would be silly to continue to please them by giving them a reaction, this I won’t do, as much as I can. I trust in Jesus to move hearts in the right direction. And of course with the intercession of Virgin Mary.
Janek’s comments do not divide, but rather call out for compassion and true understanding. That is most definitely something of Jesus. People may want to read the Oath Against Modernism instituted by Pope Saint Pius X back in 1910, the very same that was rescinded by Pope Paul VI in ’67. The crux of the Oath is to stand firm in one’s not entertaining the ‘evolution’ that is the change in the meaning of Church teaching. This is critical to understand…. if only to understand from whence Janek’s passion arises:
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10moath.htm
This Oath that was discarded in ’67 is still taken by those in the FSSP. The reason being – that the tendency to the modernist heresy still exists. That is why we have division and a lack of clarity. Not because those who know what the Oath of Modernism was meant to forestall has been given free reign to the devastation of many. Not ALL. But many.
Happy faces and kindly chats do not blessings make. Often blessings are hard, like carrying one’s cross, but they are for our benefit as they make us strong for Christ and Truth. It is unfair to judge the sincerity of another’s love of Jesus based on an unwillingness to understand what they are attempting to say with regard to a love of what the Church has always taught.
No one is belittling Jesus in the Novus Ordo Missae. Rather folks are calling for a deeper awareness of what honor we owe to Our Lord by offering Him a mass that keeps all that is sacred whole and intact.
If I have misspoken, please correct me Janek as I WANT to understand your message. All of it.
Some say: Janek’s comments only divides.
I’d venture that willful blindness and an unwillingness to understand divides. So whereas some may believe Janek to be bitter in his opinions, others are just as bitter and fixed in their own opinion despite a smiling face.
Yes Janek,
I am appalled how the Church has deviated from Christ’s mass into a modern depravity with the excuse that its was adjusted to fit current conditions.
That’s why we need to go back to the only Mass we know for certain is approved by God: the Mass said in Aramaic, with 12 men in attendence and 1 woman, with one pastor. This, of course, is the only Mass ever offered by Christ himself—so we know without doubt this structure is valid and pure.
So what if men will have to go to mass multiple times per day to ensure women can meet their Sunday obligation—such “practical” problems are trivial when compared theological purity. And, so what if few understand Aramaic? That was used in the liturgy offfered by Christ.
In other words, janek, you’re saying that all of us who have joined the Church since Vatican II are not Catholic? People like Dr Scott Hahn, Al Kresta. Laura Ingram , et al? Just what do you think the Catholic Church is…an exclusive club? I do not know you, and I don’t question your devotion but I think you should really think about this as it makes you sound intolerant and afraid.
…and I fear these deep feelings of anxiety are causing you unhappiness and keeping you from joy that I’m sure you’re familiar with in your journey. There’s no doubt the Church was hijacked by liberals with a dark agenda in the ’60s but rather than keep looking back to what was Jesus tells us to keep looking ahead. What can we do right now where we are to protect and preserve the truths of our faith? Dr Hahn, for example , wrote an incredible book on the Eucharist and one on Mary. Have you read them? I think you would find much comfort! Our Lord said He would be with us til the end of the age. Fear not!
I’m not so sure that I’d ascribe fear to Janek’s statements, but rather the need to address that which happened in the ’60s and how it still effects the present day. That said, Catholics of today are Catholic because of the Faith, not because of VII itself.
I wish there would be a return to St. Pius X’s Oath Against Modernism. An Oath which the FSSP still takes despite Paul VI’s eliminating it in ’67.
Since the Oath Against Modernism was specifically begun to combat the progressive agenda of evolving doctrine, not using that Oath lends itself to continual reinterpretation of that which the Church previously held to be fixed, it goes a long way to explain the seeming changes in Church belief that have occurred in the past 50 years or so. Changes that could very well continue to shift and evolve if the matter is left unaddressed.
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10moath.htm
Thanks so much Anne! I’ll take time to read it more carefully later…getting ready for company so I won’t be able to contribute much for awhile. I count on your insights, lady! :)
Dana just like a little child coming to Jesus, you are just that, a precious child approaching our Lord with no agenda’s on hand.
Remember those first baby steps, as little ones, we open our arms and try to reach out to a parent to help us walk, we reach out so we can grab on to someone so we won’t fall, and as a little child trusting that we can because we have someone there by our side to love us and protect us. Jesus is our Lord and salvation, He is there to watch our every step, He is there for us to reach for when we feel we are going to stumble and fall. Good comments Dana, filled with love in Him.
And little children should not be filled up with secular views against the Natural law like this book either.
Douay-Rheims Bible Matthew 18:3
And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So true, Abeca! Lovely…pride gets in the way of our being able to humble ourselves, that’s for sure! Therese, the little flower was so childlike. I suppose I’ll attain that when I’m senile!
Excellent point about senility, Dana. Being in the state of grace with no hope of really sinning because one doesn’t know what one is about. What a blessing in disguise – in the spiritual sense.
Enjoy your company :)
Is the gay bullying plague in schools a myth?
An Australian doctor questions “safe school” and”gay-straight alliance” programs.
https://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/is_the_gay_bullying_plague_in_our_schools_a_myth
An open letter to the Australian Education Minister … Initiatives to “celebrate gay identity” among confused adolescents would, in my view, be likely to encourage some young men to “come out” at school when, left alone, they might have got over their confusion and avoided the harm of a homosexual lifestyle.
Even using the simplest, most objective measure of harm – the burden of venereal disease (and in Australia it remains the case now, as for the last 25 years, that around 85 percent of new cases of HIV/AIDS are in “men who have sex with men”)
– it is obviously harmful to lock a young man into a lifestyle that he might have avoided, were it not for the assertion of homosexual normalcy, by programmes such as ‘Safe Schools’.
I ask you to reconsider the sincerely held but erroneous premises that are justifying a Coalition government using public funds to further the agenda of normalising homosexual behaviour to our children. On behalf of many parents and grandparents, I express my dismay and strongest objection.
David van Gend is a family doctor and head of the Australian Marriage Forum.
Very important post.
Yes, Stockton, the very town where one young man set fire to the altar of a Catholic church because he said a priest abused him in his younger years and nothing was done about it. Yes, Stockton that is going bankrupt and has had shootings all over the place. Is it any wonder? I pray for this poor lost city. God in your mercy, please save this city and turn it around if it is not too late. You are right, Billy, Amos Alonzo Stagg is rolling over in his grave. I suspect Stockton, the man after whom the city is named, is doing so also.
There are good people in Stockton, nevertheless, who had and have to suffer through all this, just as there are in any city or town.
YFC continues to lead the Faithful into grave error. It is on you CCD to stop this deciever. .
I think YFC plays an important role here, gravey. In any debate you need an opponent to make you support your views lucidly and convincingly. In a play or novel you need a protagonist and an antagonist. In life you need opposites to keep things moving..ac/dc, life/death, black & white. Without one you can not illustrate the other.
Also, gravey, you do not know how God is working in YFC’s life. You don’t know how he may be helping people on the fence to become more involved in
the Catholic cause. Remember how Frodo saw the wisom of Gandalf in preserving the life of Gollum and he remained faithful almost to the very end and it was eventually saved from eternal damnation by Gollum”s inadvertant end. The important thing is to know what you believe and defend it. I admit I give YFC a hard time about his views, but I do not in anyway wish him ill.
Dana I love you as a sister in Christ. But telling from YFC’s many comments on “gay” rights…I would have to agree with gravey. When a conversion takes place from YFC, we pray that publicly he will make right by denouncing all that he said or did that were grave, that offended God. Just think he will have to go back to correct all the errors he helped advance. Words against the Natural law offend our Lord, I can see why it offends gravey too.
Hey its not my invention on what leads towards sanctifying grace, it’s our Lord’s. We have become so desensitized that we are more tolerant of permitting scandal. But the enemy has become so intolerant of what is holy. As expected, knowing how our world is today.
I agree 100%, Dana. Many do not come to know or defend their Faith unless faced with something to fight. If such were not the case, Our Lord would never have allowed Satan to tempt or tares to be sown amid the wheat.
Battling as we do is the means to earn merit before God. And that strength to recognize and battle the onslaught of greater evils.
God bless
Thanks Anne and Abeca…when my son had a scholarship to a Christian school, he found that it was like being a hothouse plant. The challenges he faced in public school tested his faith and helped him grow. Unfortunately, his time in advanced degrees at the UofWash. finally got to him. Those professors are real pros at ridiculing students and making them feel dumb if they don’t buy into the playbook.
Pray him back, Dana, by giving thanks to God in all confidence as if your son is the most devout of Catholics. No doubt that is what my mother did. God bless!
We are not talking about a play or novel; we are talking about souls. The Faith can most certainly be “illustrated” without the likes of an individual who undermines the teachings of the Catholic Church and is not acting in “Good Faith.” I come to this site to be honestly informed, not to waste time reading or debating the “views” of a deceiver. Is God working through him? I don’t know. But I do know the words he has written, which mock and distort the Faith. There is no “role” for such a person and he should be dismissed.
Gravey, I do have to say that I agree with you. I cannot donate but do buy from some of the advertisers, so I have avoided saying anything. I do have to say, though, that I much preferred this website when Christopher Zhnider (spelling?) ran it and would correct any dissident from the cathechism and tell them he would not post any more of their errors if they did it again. This bickering that goes on and on really is not healthy and just tears the Church apart and any young person coming on here can easily be corrupted.
Well, Anne, I totally agree with you about the dissent, but isn’t this just a microcosm of what’s taking place in the world? You and Gravey have very valid points, but I would like to point out that though I used antagonist/protagonist etc. as examples, I hadn’t meant for them to be taken literally…of course we’re talking about souls. But God gave us free will. He could have made us like robots so that we never erred, never committed mortal sins or made a foolish decision. But that’s not what He did. He gave us the freedom and the tools to discern what was true, what was beautiful, what pleased Him most.We can choose to reject it all. It is in our voluntarily obedience that is what pleases Him. So you may feel that by giving your opinion and everyone agrees, and that there is no one with ssa, no liberals, no one voicing views from the secular world that this should be enough…it’s all about us? I can’t see how any young person is going to be corrupted, Anne. I used to be a teacher and just walking through a school hallway was enough to scandalize anyone. I agree, the bickering is very sad and frustrating, but pretending these differences don’t exist just isn’t true.
Dana, it is just that the decadence is in ones face all the time — on the computer news, on the television and on and on. One cannot even watch a decent older sitcom without some vulgar trashy advertisement coming on — even now sometimes on the so-called family channels. I just need a vacation from it all.
Q: Why are sodomites trying to get into the BOY Scouts but not the GIRL Scouts?
A: http://www.tinyurl.com/homoabusers
I can’t imagine. LOL!
So then, all the saints and popes before the Second Vatican Council were “fanatics” as well? By the way Iam not female, as for losing readers that is not the point of defending The Mass of All Times, I don’t want to be popular that is what Novus Ordonarians are worried about. The priest or “presider” which NO people call their priest are the ones that want to be popular and the “in” person, all the while forgetting that we are to worship Our Lord not each other or the priest. So yes Abeca,I will continue to be fanatic about the Mass of All Times!!!
God bless you Janek. I am glad you do not let the smiling mask of self-proclaimed holiness fool you. It consistently amazes me how willful ignorance is paraded as fidelity. There is nothing sinful or divisive in defending the TLM as you well know. Folks are just following their walking orders. The same walking orders that have led the faithful into the mess of the ongoing crisis in the Church. Denial is an ugly thing.
Pointing out reality and making grounded observations is not a sin. That said, Our Beloved Lord is left out to dry by those who would otherwise move along from the multi-car pileup and pretend there is nothing amiss out of so called charity and treat Holy Mother Church as if it were a preferred country club membership.
God bless you for your fidelity.
Nice post, Anne. Well, I’ve got to get going. God bless us every one.
Wow “smiling mask of self-proclaimed holiness fool you.” I’m sensing some hostility there. Not words that learn and listen in humility. With tears I feel for you. Catherine this is the person you want to defend? I will never understand this attitude and I don’t want too. I have been doing my homework and I begged God, kneeling asking Him to show me the way, He knows my heart, I am not self proclaimed, it is Jesus who is the one who owns me, I belong to Him, He took me in as unworthy as I am. He is merciful! I am only defending what I hold dear In Him. My love for Jesus is real and I do not need to prove it to no one, but I share my love for Him, who saved me, because it is my way to honor our beloved Jesus!
I honor the true Jesus Christ, in His most holy Catholic Church in union with Rome. Not those who wish to destroy any efforts to defend this church, even with all the problems we have, there is still the faithful there with our Lord, meek and humble of heart, fighting the good fight even if these woman want to knock us down! Do you think that your witness against the OF mass, is not self serving? You are a poor witness to your mission.
Our Beloved Jesus does not deserve this indifference. His is our love and our everything! We should rather die than stand around and listen to this division! Especially on an article on shameful gay fairy tales, the homosexuals do not need to see us divided. But let it be known that it needs correction. As the homosexuals who promote this filth need correction, so do these woman who are catty day in and day out about the EF verses the OF mass according to the GIRM, they made it a competition! When it should not!
Dana I know what you mean. You are a sensible person who discerns well. God bless you. : )
The reason we have more division here is because of Anne. With all due respect Anne, no harm meant. She has weaken our stand to defend and fight the good fight here in CCD, well at least made the homosexuals have a good laugh at us. I have nothing against her. I apologize if I have injured her pride by my defense on the conviction I hold in Christ and His church. I don’t apologize for defending what I hold dear In HIM but I apologize if it hurt her pride in any way. Well it doesn’t matter but her anger shows through her posts and she has even lead folks to enable her to keep on spilling her indifference on our loving Church, the Magesterium. It will not slow down God’s true purpose of V2, which is to evangelize and be of true witness to Christ and His church.
Since our Lord came, the church has gone through many trials and we are still here, those of us who persevere with fortitude will be the ones to gain sanctifying grace but nothing good comes out of it if we do not begin with love in Him, who saves. You don’t have to like me, just fix your eye’s on Jesus instead. = )
Abeca, your willful ignorance is divisive. You write, “Catherine this is the person you want to defend? I will never understand this attitude and I don’t want too.” And yet you recommend that k listen to Catherine.
Your sensing hostility works only in the direction of sensing it from others while expunging yourself as promoting it, Abeca. You will never understand ‘this attitude’ because you willfully blind yourself when posters like Steve Phoenix and Catherine take the time to quote reputable sources to outline the issues at hand. You admonish k to see the charity in Catherine’s well researched posts and yet you do not do the same yourself. And yes, on a thread that talks about homosexual fairy tales.
So saying, your assurance that “You look to Jesus,” is no assurance at all for you do not even look to understand the perennial teachings of the Church beyond VII and what you have been told. You incessantly ascribe bad motives to others and nothing but holiness and/or humility to yourself. Do you not understand that by intimating that you are somehow the humble one translates to being prideful?
You refuse to learn and listen in humility Abeca with every posting where you attempt to paint those with genuine knowledge, concern, and love of God as being divisive because they do not fit *your* idea of holiness. Or the script you’ve been given. Good gracious. You may think you are uniting with such methodology, but you are sending those with critical thinking skills running for the hills. That at its base is NOT what the Catholic Church teaches. And those with a mind to root out error at the base know very well and from experience that it cannot be done successfully by putting on a blindfold.
To Abeca cont:
Words such as: “…I have been doing my homework and I begged God, kneeling asking Him to show me the way, He knows my heart, I am not self proclaimed, it is Jesus who is the one who owns me, I belong to Him, He took me in as unworthy as I am,” is nothing but being the Publican masked as the penitent. For you are the one giving testimony to yourself.
To Abeca cont:
As to your apologies, look to what you actually write, Abeca as it is riddled with that which you say you do not have – pride.
“I apologize if I have injured her pride by my defense on the conviction I hold in Christ and His church. I don’t apologize for defending what I hold dear In HIM but I apologize if it hurt her pride in any way.”
Is that an apology? How would you react if I wrote, “I apologize for wounding Abeca’s self-imposed ignorance of reality. I support Our Lord and I defend Him, but I am sorry for harming Abeca’s woefully amassed pile of cherished ignorance in the face of factual information.”
Is that an apology? Is that humility? No. So while you’re looking to what divides, look to yourself. And I’ll say it again, those who promote the superiority of the TLM do so because they LOVE OUR LORD and wish to see Him honored properly, much like He was honored in by being anointed in the expensive jar of Nard in the Gospel. If you do not understand that, woe unto you for you are relegating those who should and could be your closest allies to the outer darkness. Something, by the way, you have no authority to do despite what you perceive about yourself.
Ann you can take it as you wish. But before you become a teacher, first be a witness.
We can agree to disagree. Love Jesus more, fix your eye’s on Him. How would I react, I will take it as is. Its something I practice even at home. yes Ann I am ignorant, you are correct. I don’t have to have all the knowledge in the world or wisdom to have be in love with Jesus. I fear the Lord and I may not be gifted in conveying well, its not the same as done in person, but through here, it will have to do. But I do not apologize for disagreeing with your take on V2, never, my loyalty is in Christ and HIS CHURCH. I’m so sorry that I do not meet up with your ideals on how things should be done or said, yes you are right they are my flaws. I say it in humility, do not read in to it again or keep assuming ill. It will only make sick the heart and allow the devil to keep play with those emotions.
Abeca Christian is a devoted Catholic wife, mother and daughter of the Father.
Abeca Christian, you and I have had words, plenty of them. You have sometimes said things that hurt me but I knew it was your dedication to God and misunderstanding that caused it. I feel as if you are the person who has grown spiritually the most on this website. Many times I noticed that growth occurred after a hospitalization or other painful experience so I could tell that you were truly cooperating with God and His plan for your life. He must have another plan of growth for you. I do not in any way think that God is behind this attack on you, but He will cause it to bring you graces. But, no question about it, this is really bad.
God bless you, true Catholic woman.
My heart is not tainted with your theological point of view, in regards to V2 or the Mass. That is how I see it Ann, its not personal on you. This does not mean I dislike you as a person, never. I pray for you actually and lately love you too. Yes I can be harsh and so can you. I fix my eye’s on Christ’s Church dogma and teachings which have never changed, the problems of humans, that is their problems.
Don’t try to corner me and put my love of Christ on trial here. You could question what you like, its all on you, you are not always gonna be correct and you come across as one who feels they are/have the answer to every question.
We refer to the CCC, GIRM, Holy Scriptures, saints, doctors of the church etc etc…..
There is nothing that I can say or do that will please you and I can not get caught up in dialogue that has no end. Remember this comment from you “smiling mask of self-proclaimed holiness fool you.”. I have no agenda to fool anyone. and I never knew that I had a smiling mask on. Your imagination has placed it there as if it was a bad thing. I can’t control how you perceive things.
Your comments want to stir the pot against one another, we have never had this division on this website before as you have brought on. I’m speaking of myself. In the past I pretty much have stood common ground with those in the SSPX church and in union with Rome, we never disrespected one another and I don’t recall them questioning my love of faith and love of Christ as you try to paint here. I kept a mutual respect with them and them with I. Until now.
Abeca, I am no teacher, but rather a witness to what I have experienced and learned. There is nothing else I could be.
You write, “…But I do not apologize for disagreeing with your take on V2, never, my loyalty is in Christ and HIS CHURCH.”
That is exactly the point of every poster defending the TLM and desirous of a thorough examination/clarification of VII documents. We genuinely love Him and Holy Mother Church. So, please, do as you ask of others and do not misconstrue. And do not condemn others as some disloyalty or not looking to Jesus. That is unfair and hurtful, for you do not like the same said of yourself.
I pray God to bless you and reward you for your zeal. But I have learned that He equally rewards others for their zeal and love of Holy Mother Church as well.
Homosexual sex is a mortal sin (yes, “YFC” when committed knowingly, not via rape). Comic books that show homosexual coupling are then, by Catholic definition, the moral equivalent of pornography. Why not celebrate, as well, a book about incest, showing happy brother-sister couples and romance, or maybe inter-generational same-family sex, kind of a “Waltons Fornication Fairy Tale”. no First Amendment issue exists, “YFC” in that no one says that the troll-professor is prohibited from writing or publishing his trash; only that moral people, and especially Catholics should never read this stuff, except to show the influence of Satan in the modern media and entertainment areas.
Agreed St. Christopher…..It’s trash, it’s porn dressed up….like the wolf in sheeps clothing.
Catholics have a comic book definition of pornography? Be any wonder porn is so prevalent today!
Wow thanks for agreeing that homosexual sex is not always and everywhere a mortal sin. At least SOMEBODY on CCD agrees with me!!
Lesbians are in the Girl Scouts, sodomites want in on the Boy Scouts, and a perverted professor writes “fairy” tales for kiddies all for the sale reason: the 2%-33% thingy again – 2% of the population committing 33% of all child sex abuse.
https://www.tinyurl.com/HomoAbusers
Thanks Ann, it is just so sad what the Second Vatican Council has done to the Church wheather it meant to or not it, it tore the Church apart and as you can see everytime in the great website it always boils down to the TLM and the man-made Novus Ordo service. always!! It pitted Catholics against each other and guess who is loving every bit of this for the past 45 years. Yep, Diablo himself!
God allows trails so we can merit, Janek. Remember Job. No doubt it felt like forever. But it won’t be.
God bless you!
And don’t forget Janek that while the Holy Ghost was definitely at the council, that is no guarantee that He was completely listened to as men still have free will and use it. That includes Church hierarchy.
But the Holy Ghost did indeed protect the deposit of the Faith and the TLM which is why the mass was never abrogated and the deposit of the Faith will always remain even if men seek to redefine it to compromise with the world.
God bless!
It equally saddens me that the work of the Holy Spirit, as brought through the last Ecumenical Council, asks you to worship the Father via the sacrifice of the Mass, is rejected by supposedly faithful catholics.
YFC, it is doubtful that the Holy Spirit had anything at all to do with the destruction of the Liturgy… “destroy the Mass and destroy the Church” Martin Luther, Satan himself could not have done a better job…
Cansisius perhaps you might want to ask yourself the role Satan has in your rejection of the Catholic mass. After all, it is easier to see Satan’s hand at work in things you don’t like.
YFC I will have to edify you when you say things that are true and your charitable comment to Cansisius was truly charitable. Keep that close to your heart, with our prayers and love of Christ, that is where conversions happen and its when Jesus, the great physician is merciful to those souls who have fallen away.
Growing up I was taught to see Jesus in everyone. Even those in whom we see as the most sinful. Jesus asked me to love my enemies. Even His enemies against the natural law. YFC if we can encourage you to keep talking about the precious truths about the faith, we can pray and have faith that those truths convert. I know they have me, I am no longer the same person since I gave my life to Jesus.
Janek it is your comments and mentality that has tore the church up…well at least your portion of it because Christ is still here with us and those of us who are faithful, reap the blessings to stay and fight the good fight. Try not to be sheltered, seek out faithful Catholics within the church and see that we have the wholeness of the faith!
The OF and The EF mass are both valid. So stop arguing about it.
You are not Janek’s mother, Abeca, or the arbiter of ‘what tears things up.’ So enough already with the juvenile pronouncements and stomping your cyber-foot like you can end a valid discussion with blanket pronouncements based on zero understanding. Understanding you openly admit you do not want.
Nobody is saying that the Novus Ordo is invalid. Sorry if the complexity of the issue is offputting, but read what people write, Abeca. Then you may better understand how to evangelize. Your roadblock mentality that commands Janek to seek out ‘faithful’ while you set the example of shutting down honest dialogue is no encouragement or good advertisement to do what you advocate.
That is why reading Steve Phoenix and Catherine’s posts in addition to those others who look to the Church as a whole in such discussions is so critically important for you. There is much spiritual growth to be had in taking off the blinders.
Abeca Christian does not deserve this kind of mistreatment.
This is completely offensive.
You do this to other people too.
It is not OK to treat anyone like this.
This does not even make sense.
You only make yourself look bad.
You really reveal your faults-pride, anger, envy
Ok they are the same faults that we all have.
Most people have a kind of filter that keeps them from making such a fool of themselves.
Nor are you Ann Malley, telling her to not be fooled by me. Practice what you preach missy! = ) I never said that you said that the mass was not valid. But arguing about what mass is better is wrong. Try to understand my true intentions here….
Janek is not a woman, Abeca. Please read what he posted.
You write, “…Try to understand my true intentions here….” I would ask you to courteously do the same.
In addition to Mr. Miles having a PhD, he clearly has a bizarre imagination as well. Everyone knows that marriage is between a man and a woman.
definition: Fairy Tale: a made-up story usually designed to mislead.
synonyms: Fairy Tale: fable, fabrication, lie, falsehood, falsity, fib, mendacity, prevarication, story, tale, taradiddle (or tarradiddle), untruth, whopper