The following comes from an August 6 story on JuicyEcumenism.com.
Kyle Spencer of the New York Times has done a remarkable service for American Catholic higher education. In a recent celebratory feature on homosexuality at Catholic universities—most notably Georgetown—Spencer gives a largely sympathetic inside look at a growing trend that has largely passed unnoticed. Spencer’s is no investigative expose; it is the boast proper to a victor.
Spencer provides key insights into the thought process and strategy of those who seek “to bring the Catholic identity into the 21st century.” This notion reveals the manipulation of language that is at work. “Bringing the Catholic identity into the 21st century” means, of course, rejecting traditional and biblical Christian truths about the human person and human sexuality. With a prophetic air, campus crusaders for this new “21st century” “Catholic” identity make ex cathedra pronouncements like “Society is changing, and God is in that change.” Student government leaders have appointed themselves the augurs of the third millennium and may now be found taking the auspices around campus. Why worry about town-gown relations when there are national political issues wherein one may make his name?
This is not to be flippant, but rather to highlight how a great deal of the rhetoric of the gay movement at Catholic schools like Georgetown has been cloaked in religious language. Indeed, the cause carries with it a religiously prophetic certainty, and even eschatological dread. The righteousness of the movement is as undeniable as the cocktail of politics mixed with religious fervor is intoxicating. Here, one recalls Voegelin’s discussion of political religions.
The gay movement at Catholic colleges has attained such success precisely because it has couched itself in such religious terms. At Georgetown, this was evident in a series of articles (14 September 2012: Tisa: Distorted Religious Identity Divides GU, 2 October 2012: Gavin/Honjiyo: Limited Labels Obscure True Sexual Diversity, 12 October 2012: Tisa: Faith, Sexuality in Harmony) in the student newspaper last fall, all essentially distorting the Church’s true teachings on homosexuality so as to demand the repeal of those teachings. Those who shape the issue on campus are able to co-opt religious language by adopting an approach to religion that I will term the “tyranny of sentimentality.” Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman held sentimentality to be the acid of religion (see his discussion of liberalism in Apologia Pro Vita Sua). It is evident that the students Spencer writes about have reduced religion to the sentimentality of which Newman speaks. The emotional affirmation of the individual, rather than any supernatural realities, truths, or normative claims, becomes the basis of one’s religion. Because this basis is inherently the subjective creation of the individual, the religion of sentimentality is tyrannical, as it becomes a means for the furtherance of one’s will, ruled, not by reason or conformity to the divine or natural law, but by one’s passions and whims. Plato recognized as much about the tyrannical soul.
The tyranny of sentimentality may be summed up in this statement by one student: “You stay Catholic because you have a love of the institution and you want to change it.” That is to say, one is only saved from joining Gary Hall and friends at the National Cathedral by one’s ethnic identity. Absent is any notion that the Catholic faith – or even Christianity more broadly – may be true or that it may be the means by which one is saved or that it may make moral claims on the individual that are based in the order of things rather than in the creations of one’s will. Instead, one is Catholic only for sentimental reasons: Catholicism is part of one’s upbringing or familial and ethnic heritage. A sentimental ground of faith replaces a rational ground. Gone is the humility of conforming oneself to a higher reality that one receives rather than wills for himself. Instead, a tyrannical pride is manifested, whereby the will creates a system in which its desires can be justified. Because this system is created through pride rather than received in humility, it is not sufficient to remain as a merely personal construct. Because this system is the will’s attempt to justify itself, the approval and justification of others – including whole institutions – is ultimately and supremely required. A moral tyranny results.
Some Catholic colleges, like Georgetown, have been increasingly taken by the demands of the tyranny of sentimentality. This stems from decisions over the last several decades to reduce religion to sentimental terms. Catholic identity becomes largely shut up in a convenient, controllable, and clean “office of campus ministry” – another administrative unit like the counseling center, career center, or academic resource center – to help students deal with the stresses and anxieties of college life. Catholicism becomes just another flavor on the menu of religious choices in this well staffed department that fits somewhere between counseling and personal development. Talk of truth or salvation or morality becomes largely unnecessary, perhaps even offensive.
Yet, as institutional Catholic identity is increasingly hushed, there remains a perennial cognitive dissonance about the reality on campus. This comes through quite clearly in remarks from Georgetown’s spokeswoman who cites “the university’s two required theology classes and up to seven Sunday Masses at the main chapel as evidence that it is deeply connected to its Catholic identity.” She claims, “[Georgetown’s] Catholic and Jesuit identity on campus has never been stronger. Academically, we remain committed to the Catholic intellectual tradition….”
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Ah, cognitive dissonance: the peculiar belief that one can entertain and honor two colliding belief systems simultaneously while “moving on ” with one’s life. Obviously alive and well @ SOME so-called Catholic Institutions of higher learning, in this case, Georgetown. And evoked by the ongoing behemoth of foul depravity so extant in contemporary U.S. society today, noxious claptrap being it’s prime ingredient, and I do mean the infamous gayreich agitprop machine, GLAAD and all of it’s thoroughly obnoxious tentacles like LGBMNFST, (heh-heh) and it’s Hollywood monster twin the HOMOOFFICETORESTRAINALL HETEROFASCISTBIGOTS (more heh-heh) or HOMOOGOTS for short (?). But seriously, folks, this article is really brilliant in delineating the many-faceted orgs that make up the homo behemoth that seeks to obliterate all differences between the sexes that GOD HIMSELF ordained and which these agents of lucifer maniacly attempt to destroy. For, make no mistake, that is PRECISELY what these satanic minions are trying to do. Witness what new Pope Francis said in a letter to his monks at an abbey near Buenos Aires while Archbishop in 2010: (paraphrase) “gay marriage” is a tool of satan being used to deceive the elect.” And what Fr. Dwight Longnecker posted on his blog “Patheos”, 7-17-13: “The culture is headed is heading to full-blown pagan hedonism, w/”gay” marriage and abortion raging, and behind it all is an irrational, demonic rage, because the ‘powers’ of the media and the state are lining up w/the powers of the culture of death.” It’s not me saying these things, so pace, Mark from P.A., and all the other ‘conflicted’ troll bloggers afflicting CALCATH. And God Bless All, Markrite
Looks like you’ve got ’em pegged: “LGBMNFST, (heh-heh) and it’s Hollywood monster twin the HOMOOFFICETORESTRAINALL HETEROFASCISTBIGOTS (more heh-heh) or HOMOOGOTS for short”
The only thing Georgetown has done is transition from Gold to paper to cyber money. Its students identify so closely with money that they do not even know there is a difference between man made in the image of God, and man made in the image of money. Change to Georgetown is from paper to cyber money. This university is so history poor that its members believe that the historical George Washington was made from paper and rode a horse made from paint on canvas. Spirituality to the Georgetown community is cyber space. Georgetown thinks ruling the world is something new and never done before … G.U. creates one dimensional bots whose best footwork is called the one step. The coordinate it in their efforts to step on the rest of the world.
I once went to Confession to a priest from Georgetown and I complained about Georgetown to him. His reply was: “Please pray for me, I have to teach there under very trying conditions”! Please pray for that priest who was trying to be Catholic in spite of the University he taught at.
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Gloom and doom, once again the sky is falling! ” Oh ye of little faith why does thou doubt.”?????!!!!!!!
TEM, the gay population is bell weather for a society being well or unwell, and presently the bells are ringing off the hook. You gays are the consequence of the great sins of society, namely idol worship and adultery.
Nonsense. If anyone is hearing bells, it’s because they’re off their meds again.
The snide response of a sodomite and you wonder why you are so hated…..every culture that has accepted sodomy as a norm has collapsed and that is fact ..
More nonsense . . .
I admit never having understood the fidelity to Catholicism that gays claim when obviously there is so much hatred from gays for Catholic values and distortion of their claimed understanding of Catholic teachings, to say nothing of Catholic human beings they encounter. This article has shed some much-needed light on a confounding subject. The attempt to distort the Catholic faith is a cancer on us all and must be brought out into the light of day to be exposed for its inherent error. We must be cleansed of these unceasing attacks on our spiritual wellbeing as faithful Catholics, and we must defend the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Following these teachings saves the eternal souls of ourselves and our fellow human beings, which these tortured souls, after all, also are. They may try us and succeed in exhausting us far to frequently, being by nature out of sorts with the world, but they are our brothers and sisters, and as Christians, we are tasked to try to love and help them save themselves from themselves. I’m not sure I’m up to the task, but it does help to know what tragic afflictions, and whom, we’re up against. Unfortunately for us, they so often make it hard for us to save them that one is reminded of our brothers and sisters suffering chemical addictions which distort their own thinking and behavior as well. Still, we must keep trying.
Maryanne,
Mortal Sin destroys all reason! You cannot hate what the Church teaches and claim to be a Catholic!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Barack raised money bacuese people believed in him and contributed. They had been burned by the previous Conservative Administration and wanted no more of it. So the greatest outpouring of populist support in the national History elected Obama in a virtual tidal wave of pariotism and nationalistic fervor it was a majestic moment.Freedom of The Airways is necessary to a Democratic Republic but Freedom of Speech also carries an obligation to use it in an informative manner rather than a radically combatative manner.If hate and vitriol control the airwaves, the the end result will be more in line with the effects of Josef Goebbels and great division and dissent can split the country and lead it into unnecessary conflicts that might undermine the foundations of the very nation if great care is not exercised.Rush is not so much a voice of politics in my opinion as he is a skilled and intensely charismatic entertainer. They should just leave him alone bacuese he isn’t hurting anybody.Conservative Talk Radio is not the main enemy of Democrats.The main enemy of Democrats is not even Conservatives bacuese this is a two party nation and the two sides must learn to work together or the fears of President Lincoln about the House Divided might come to pass and that wouldn’t be good for anybody.The main enemy of Democrats, the same as it is for Republicans is general ignorance and apathy and the divisions that have arisen between them.There was a time before the crazies and the militants of Conservatism appropriated the Government that the government worked and worked well. That is how we became the greatest nation on earth.We need to get a few moderates back on board and get America back on track with the governmental processes that have worked so well for so many long years.By the way: Glenn Beck was not Taken Out. He is still out there some where (On Sirrius Radio?) doing his thing whatever that might be.
lubosesa56,
“I vomit the lukewarm (moderates) out of My Mouth” Jesus Christ.
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
So, Georgetown Univ. has brought Catholic teaching into the 21st century. Since homosexuality is acceptable, they must have rid GU of the Bible and its severe condemnation and punishment of homosexuality. If they have any likenesses of Jesus on campus, did they portray Him dressed in 21st century clothing? Did they dress Him in jeans, a t-shirt and running shoes? Did they update Mary’s clothing, too, perhaps dressing her in skin-tight shorts and a t-shirt, perhaps with a navel ring showing below her cropped t-shirt, and how about giving her a few tattoos? We must make Jesus and Mary relevant, so that students and faculty can relate to them. Did they rid the campus of all crucifixes? The sight of Jesus nailed on the cross is barbaric and depressing, so outdated and irrelevant to the lives of today’s sophisticated 21st century students. Does the student health clinic dispense birth control medication and/or devices? Does the student health clinic give referrals for abortions? Can someone explain why GU wants to call itself a Catholic university?
No, I don’t think they need to update Jesus to wear tennis shoes. The very famous early 20th century portrait known as the “surfer Jesus” works just fine, as do the 16th Century renditions as an Italian with a Roman nose. Why bother portray Jesus as a short, bearded semite that he certainly would have been?
A bearded Semite the Lord Jesus Christ was, but the man on the Shroud of Turin was at least six feet tall.That is if you accept it as the Lord’s burial cloth, and I believe it was.
Sarah,
” Does the student health clinic dispense birth control medication and/or devices? Does the student health clinic give referrals for abortions? Can someone explain why GU wants to call itself a Catholic university?” I am afraid the answer to those questions is YES!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
One thing that traditional Catholics fail to recognize is the intellectual failure on their part.
The rise of LBGTQ support in catholic institutions reflect that Catholic doctrine has failed to account for inter-sexed individuals in its teaching—thus some intuitively recognize traditional doctrine lacks rigor in light of facts we now know about nature. The typical approach is to simply dismiss such individuals as “rare” and then continue on with the Biblical teaching about how God made them “male and female”. Then asserting that this teaching means that people with gender confusion or SSA are therefore rebelling against God’s will.
If we believe in natural law and hold that God communicates to man through the “nature of things”—we ignore God’s voice when we simply compartmentalize inter-sexed individuals and pretend they don’t exist. God either created some people inter-sexed or allows such a genetic mutation to occur without correction. Some people we know are not made Male or Female but instead truly are made “Male AND Female”.
The inter-sexed individuals we can point to definite genetic factors and know they are mixed. The vast majority of LBGTQ people have no identifiable physical difference but apparently their issues stem from psychiatric or developmental events. Is it any wonder that supporters of LBGTQ in Catholic institutions have “abandoned reason” when traditional doctrine has failed to satisfactorily account for the voice of God that we hear through nature?
“The rise of LBGTQ support in catholic institutions reflect that Catholic doctrine has failed to account for inter-sexed individuals in its teaching…”
Or maybe they’ve abandoned their Faith and refuse to accept the existence of evil and that pesky little thing called sin.
“—thus some intuitively recognize traditional doctrine lacks rigor in light of facts we now know about nature.”
Oh yes, the enlightened few in the year 2013 have achieved insight into the nature of things which somehow were missed by the Father’s of the Church, St. Augustine and St. Aquinas. Fools, if only they had been more disciplined and rigorous in their efforts.
Perhaps JonJ, the problem lies in the arrogance, disobedience and lack of gratitude in those who teach and follow a false gospel.
gravey, doctrinal development did not close with the great saints you mention. Indeed our Holy Father has said that we still do not have an adequate theology of women, this 20 centuries after mary.
Gravey,
Are you saying 1) that intersexuals committed sin and therefore they have mixed genetics and/or genetic development issues?
Or, are you saying 2) that “fallen man” has caused the imperfections in creation—which is how all disease and genetic defects are explained?’
If you mean the first, that intersexed people are born with sexually mixed genetics due some sin they committed, well then this statement applies to you: “I do not mean to say that conservatives are stupid. But, most stupid people are conservative.”
If you mean the second, that is a traditional theology with respect to man’s expulsion from the Garden of Eden. However, if 2 is true, then “the God made them Male or Female therefore people with SSA are denying God and Nature” is a fundamentally defective argument. Because, in the case of intersexuals, such individuals ARE acting in accordance with the nature of their creation—that God, at the very least, has allowed to come into existence without repairing.
I’m not saying that intersexuals require the Church to agree with everything homosexual activists say. What I am saying is that the theology must account for it now that we know it exists—because the interpretation “God made them male OR female” which is the meaning we current ascribe to the passage “made them male and female” is factually untrue.
Denying that we know far more about the “nature of things” than we did during St. Augustine of Hippo’s day, or Thomas Aquinas’ is more abject stupidity that can easily be refuted. That Thomas Aquinas did not apply “future” knowledge to his analysis does not imply lack of rigor by Aquinas. Much like lesser physicists have improved upon Einstein’s work today, does not mean they are brighter minds than Einstein. Instead, they have tools and knowledge that Einstein did not possess.
My point is that any rigorous analysis of this issue TODAY must deal with intersexuality. Further, it must recognize the possibility that some people with SSA who have no apparent physiological basis for their attraction may have some, as yet, unidentified epi-genetic condition driving their desires—and are thus acting in accordance with their nature. Now, following your “nature” does not excuse acts which objectively harm others, so I am not advocating a homosexual free for all. But, what I am saying is that the theology needs to have the humility to account for this possibility.
Assuming that today’s knowledge of nature is in any way complete is arrogance of the highest order. It causes us to ignore the voice of God through nature. And, on it’s face, is blatantly moronic. We only possess the tiniest fraction of factual knowledge of nature—especially when we consider that we have only a sliver of information gleaned from studying ONE planet in a universe with billions of star
JonJ, God created them male and female. All distortions, disorders etc are explainable as a consequence of Original Sin.
God’s Word is based on God’s omniscients, not on what man knows. Our increased knowledge does not change the immorality of homosexuality because its immorality is already based on God’s all knowing. Besides, if you study the ancients the idea that homosexuality is based in nature was not unknown.
Kaves1, you’re just proving my point.
I’ll give you an example. Let us now suppose we have an individual who is a genetic mosaic. A genetic mosaic is someone who has a mixed genetic heritage that will have some cells with one genetic structure and other cells with another genetic makeup. Sometimes this happens with sex chromosomes, such that one individual could have some cells that are XX and some cells that are XY.
Now, let us suppose this individual’s issue was caused in early fetal development such that their ectoplasm is XX while the rest of this person’s body is XY. Such a person would likely have male physiology with a female brain. Now suppose such an individual that does not know their condition marries a woman. Is this a homosexual relationship? What if such an individual marries a woman KNOWING about their condition? If such an individual feels “wrong” and gets a sex change operation—have they denied God’s will and committed sin? If no, is such a person allowed to marry—or does morality demand they remain celibate?
What if this person marries, but then discovers the condition? Is the marriage automatically annulled, or is “voidable” if either want out of the marriage, or is it still a valid marriage in the eyes of God even though you have two people with XX brains?
There are a lot more theological questions in this situation that need answers before you can claim intellectual rigor.
Rigor mortis, did you mean, Jon? ;o)
Humans don’t have ectoplasm, JonJ, but I think you are getting at a very important point: Science and medicine know of situations and conditions that are not foreseen by scripture, Tradition, or classical moral theology. It is unwise, therefore, to try to fit the square pegs of the world into the round holes, especially when the assumption is that everyone is a round peg. It is for reasons exactly as these that we are asked not to assume a posture of moral superiority upon others.
YFC, wow, I don’t know how I typed that. I meant ectoderm—which, you as a professional biologist know but the others do not, is one of the three germ layers that exist once you get to the blastula stage and give rise to the three basic tissue types found in a mature organism.
Ectoderm develops into nervous system. If you have a mutation during cell proliferation in early development that originates in the ectoderm, you’d likely end up with an organism where the cross gendered cells would be largely confined to the nervous system—while the rest of the body would be perfectly functional. You’d never identify such an individual unless you did sex chromosome typing of their cerebrospinal fluid.
P.S. I know ectoplasm is typically used in cheesy sci fi associated with ghosts or paranormal entities, but is this term also not used to refer to outer areas of cell cytoplasm? Thus, humans would technically have ectoplasm in their cells—though my use of the term in the above post is clearly incorrect.
I was not talking about making sex changes once this condition exists. That, I beleive, would be a prudential judgement for which the person should consult with the Church. I am talking about the reason the condition exists to begin with. The condition is caused by Original Sin. It is not caused by God. Your initial statement implied it was part of God’s created intent.
YFC?, “situations and conditions that are not foreseen by scripture, Tradition, or classical moral theology”. This is false teaching.
God is the author of Scripture and Tradition. God is all knowing. There is nothing unknown to God. God says homosexual acts are always wrong. It is not dependent on man’s knowledge.
JonJ, would the sexual acts involve people each with a penis? If so, then this would be a homosexual act and forbidden. I leave the sex change operation judgement up to the Church, but I suspect it would be considerd wrong, particularly if reproduction was not possible.
JonJ, The nature you speak of is a fallen nature, not the way God created it as you imply. By following their fallen nature they will commit sin. Jesus says if our hand causes us to sin, cut it off, if our eye pluck it out. He also says to deny yourself and follow him.
JonJ, I was not talking about making sex changes once this condition exists. That, I beleive, would be a prudential judgement for which the person should consult with the Church. I am talking about the reason the condition exists to begin with. The condition is caused by Original Sin. It is not caused by God. Your initial statement implied it was part of God’s created intent.
Kaves1, I do understand what you’re saying about Original Sin and that all genetic mutations (corrupted nature) is the result.
Whether God specifically intended intersexuallity to exist isn’t the main point. For the individual BORN intersexed—whether due to God’s specific will or God’s acquiescence—that individual does not experience gender atypical drives due to any rebellion against God’s will.
A theology that assumes all gender variant drives are the consequence of that individual rejecting God’s will is a fundamentally defective theology.
Kaves1, what an individual knows is a VERY important factor in whether or not their act is or is not sin—as the following hypothetical will show:
Let us suppose a egomaniacal mad scientist and his sidekick—let’s call them Skay and Canistupid—decide the world’s biggest problem is all of the LGBTQ perverts that exist today. Skay and Canistupid rub two of their collective three brain cells together and create a Dr. Strangelovian device to solve the problem.
This device will create a cloud that surrounds the entire earth and will identify and kill any sexual deviant or someone likely to express or experience any homosexual or other deviant desire. Thus they will—they think—cleanse the earth of sin.
So Skay and Canstupid build and deploy their device. A cloud envelops the earth but—instead of killing anyone—it makes everyone in the world perfectly heterosexual.
Now, here’s the moral question: will God receive Skay in Canistupid as great benefactors of mankind? Or will Skay and Canistupid find themselves condemned to Hell for attempting genocide?
JonJ, I never claimed the person experiences atypical drives because of his rebellion against God or individuals rejecting God’s will; nor is that what Catholic theology states. Not sure why you even bring that up. He experiences such drives because of an inclination toward sin as a result of Adam’s sin and Adam did rebel against God. The inclination toward sin was passed down to us and our biology was corrupted due to Original Sin. God created male and female. Jesus wants us to avoid sin even though the cost may be high. We are to deny ourselves and carry our cross.
JonJ, St Paul, an intellectual, and apostle tutored for three days in Heaven, points out that the conscience … an important part of the mind … is “seared” by sodomy. Thus, in direct contradiction of God, you JonJ, claim the opposite, that sodomites have superior minds over those who are moral. Your claim indicts you as a total buffoon.
Wow skai, you continue to exercise your gift of concentrating multiple logical fallacies in a short space.
Kudos!
Let’s untangle them. First you start with your old standby—appeal to authority. Now, I will admit that this is different in classical rhetoric than in theology. Catholic thought accepts appeal to authority because it believes in infallible doctrine and thus—infallible authority.
Next you assume that everyone who doesn’t agree with traditional application of “the God made them male and female” argument is a sodomite. That’s nonsense. Everyone demonstrating at Georgetown is not gay, and many can recognize lack of rigor in the theology of homosexuality without being sodomites.
Consequently, you then make the false assertion that is not supported by logic, fact, or reason that everyone who asserts that the traditional argument lacks intellectual rigor has a conscience “seared” by sodomy. Note: I am well aware of your circular argument that anyone who agrees with any gay rights argument is a sodomite—so even if you object to stoning them on sight like we see in Deuteronomy, you are a sodomite.
Next, you fallaciously appeal to authority again (this time God). This appeal doesn’t even fall within the ambit of acceptable theological analysis since it’s built on the false assumption that all who object to the traditional argument’s lack of rigor is a sodomite and thus has a seared conscience.
(cont) Next you use a strawman argument by claiming that I’m saying sodomites have “superior” minds over those you consider moral. I said no such thing. I do claim that they have superior minds compared to YOU, but that is something I would claim to be true for anyone with a pulse.
Finally, you end with an ad hominem and call me a buffoon. The ad hominem is Skai’s signature feature, so how could you deny your essential character by failing to include it? It is, of course, logically meaningless.
Adding it up, we get 6 logical fallacies in one paragraph. Congratulations! That’s high output even for you.
If, as you say, intellectual capacity bears an inverse relationship to homosexual desire, Skai must be fighting off the strongest same sex urges since the dawn of time.
Skai, I can’t find reference in scripture to Paul having a pow wow with God in heaven over homosexuality. Can you please give me the source?
I can’t either YFC. The closest I can come is Corinthians 2 Chapter 12—where Paul refers to ANOTHER PERSON being taken up to heaven who learns things he cannot share with others on earth.
Maybe its’ in the Book of Skai, right next to the blueprints for his doomsday device.
I forgot to look for “made up facts” with is another signature of Skai’s argumentative “style”. That’s SEVEN logical fallacies in one paragraph!
Sarah, do you remember the 1978 film w/Donald Sutherland, ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers”? The premise was aliens could take over the bodies of their victims and not be able to be identified until they screamed. I see many of our politicians disguising themselves as Republicans, where they can affect policies and hear all the Republican plans and then subvert them because in reality these people are democrats posing as Republicans. The same can be said for Catholics…how many so-called Catholics do we hear speaking as though they represented faithful Catholicism when in reality they’re in complete opposition to authentic Church teaching? Seminaries, universities, politicians, priests and bishops, homosexuals, drag queens…the list is endless. Jesus warned us many will be fooled and not recognize their Master’s voice. Even though these liars and hypocrites claim to be faithful Catholics, or Republicans or Americans…if you hear them screaming leftist and anti-life, anti-Christian beliefs, run the other way lest you succumb. If we keep praying, reading our Bibles and the CCC, but most importantly attend Mass as frequently as possible and spend time in Adoration of the Eucharist we will be strengthened as the battle becomes more intense. Who ever dreamed we would have politicians demanding same sex marriage, persecution of Christians in the military,free abortions paid for by taxpayers, etc. These pod people have no conscience and will never be satisfied.
This is what happens when “Catholic” Colleges and Universities do NOT use the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” as one of their required texts for freshman and soophomores. People are taught falsehoods in many cases.
All Catholics are required to adhere to the Doctrine of the Faith – otherwise they are schismatics and/or heretics. (See CCC 2089)
Dottie, the Church traditionally has not used the CCC2ndEd. You still have not forwarded a reply to my challenge that you in effect are claiming the Church did not exist prior to the publication of the CCC2ndEd. As some informed bloggers have said, and as Pope Emeritus has said, the function and role of the CCC2ndEd is as a resource for Catholic doctrine … it is not nor ever can be a cure for immorality or the demise of the numbers of faithful. It can only point the reader to the substance of the Catholic Church. Why this is so hard for some people to understand can only be explained by the fact that there are more people who can read than there are people who can understand … this you should know if you’ve read the resource material referenced in the CCC. You do not know it, and the only logical conclusion is that you, Dottie, have not read the CCC or its reference resources. Read it, read all the references, and then offer an opinion.
Skai, when you are not truthful and accuse people of things that they never said, you do not deserve a reply. I have not only read the CCC, but all the resource material referenced. You have to stop lying about people.
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Go back and read my postings. No one said that the Church did not exist prior to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
In fact the Protestant Reformation took place because (like today) there were many abuses by Bishops and Priests causing confusion as to what the Church really taught and really stood for.
The first an only other Catechism of the Church – that of the Council of Trent was written (1566AD) to combat heresy and schism – so that those who were literate could pass on the truth.
The CCC has also been written (updated) and provided by the Magisterium so that everyone will know the TRUTH of what the Church teaches. This will also stop heresy and schism.
Apparently Skai, you do not like books to learn from – for TRUTH / ACCURACY. Remember that the Bible (which contains the Gospels) is also a book.
The problems including disunity within the Church today, is because people do not KNOW the DOCTRINE of the FAITH that they are required to live by.
The disobedience to the requests of our latest 3 Popes to study the CCC starts with the Diocese Bishops who do nothing to encourage literate Catholics to accurately learn the Faith by reading the Bible and the CCC.
Dottie, what Diocese has NOT done that?
Dottie, you have repeatedly said that the Church must “adhere to the CCC”. What is it about reading that you don’t get?
The TRUTH is that God himself in all His Glory could stand before many who are enslaved by Satan in Sodomy and tell them they are wrong and are in grave danger of eternal damnation, and they would tell Him You don’t know what Your talking about, Fr. so and so of the Society of Judas, S.J. has told us that You love us just the way we are. Guess which one they would follow!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Dottie, being a Catholic or a Christian is not a requirement of most Catholic colleges, and so far as I know, never has been. Same goes for Catholic high schools. I was not a Catholic when I attended Catholic schools, and was not required to attend religion classes. So far as I know, the long esteemed ministry of Catholic education in the United States has never been one that required orthodoxy among students. It’s just not what the ministry was designed to achieve. I think you might be surprised at how many non-catholics attend catholic schools because of the quality of education they provide. I certainly benefitted enormously from them.
So called YFC,
Is it at Catholic Schools you attended that you got your so mixed up views of Catholicism?
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Non Catholics may certainly attend Catholic Schools at any level when there is space available. However, they are required to teach the Catholic Faith, and live up to Catholic teaching. This does not mean that non-Catholics must convert, but everyone must be accurately taught what the Catholic Church teaches. This is why they teach religious classes in the first place. – Do you want to pay tuition to be taught error in any subject ?
See “Code of Canon Law” on the Vatican web site – Canons 793 through 821 regarding Catholic schools and universities.
Curiously, the Church IS changing, in both liberal and conservative. We can hardly overlook the work of Pope Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict and say these men were not change agents for the conservative cause. So the “change” door is circular and has included both major wings of Church thinking.
A Catechism that teaches that birth control is morally evil, a teaching which the majority of the world’s Catholics find serious fault with, impairs the ability of the Church to have all of its teachings equally accepted as valid and divinely inspired. The gay issue was moved a notch by Pope Francis’s acceptance of gay priests, even in the behavior itself is still morally condemned. Francis basically overturned the public statements of Benedict that any gay man should not be in the priesthood.
good cause, if you know of any Catholic catechisms that teaches birth control (contraception or voluntary sterilization) is OK, please let us know the name of it so we can report it to the appropriate Catholic authorities.
There is only one catechism of the Catholic Church – the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition”. The CCC is very clear that contraception and voluntary sterilization are grave (mortal) sins. #2370 & 2399.
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Pope Francis did not overturn the teachings of Pope Benedict. Those with SSA – same sex attraction – who live a celibate / chaste life can be Saints by living the will of God. Jesus will judge who gets to Heaven or Hell.
Sarah, a case in point. Voila, ici! Mr. ‘good cause’ is exhibit A.
The Church has always changed its disciplines and pastoral approaches depending on conditions. It has never changed the deposit of faith handed down to it by Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
The Doctrine of the Faith is contained in the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition”.
For quotes from our latest 3 Popes on the CCC with source links of documentation see: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”.
https://whatcatholicsreallybelieve.com/ ;
and from the Vatican the CCC: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM .
For the CODE of CANON LAW see the Vatican web site:
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM
For General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) for the Ordinary Form of the Mass see the Vatican web site:
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20030317_ordinamento-messale_en.html .
Save these links as “favorites” on your computer for accuracy of the Faith and to combat inaccuracies, lies and deception.
In the area where I reside, there has been concern expressed by colleges about how many (almost 50%) of students require remedial courses in English and Math before they can really begin taking college level courses. The universities had a meeting to devise a strategy to encourage high schools to provide a level of education that would truly ready students for college. Of course, the most obvious strategy was not even discussed- colleges should stop offering remedial courses and insist on a college level of performance for students applying to university. Here, at a Catholic college, one could say the same. A high level of acceptance of Church doctrine should be required of students and faculty.
Academentia is a scam for the ‘Un-Intelligensia’ to parade around in the Empress of Feminism’s new drag costume, paying big $ 4 Mau Mauing all who fail to pander
SEE
Let’s Help Academia Destroy Itself by Kurt Schlichter 3/4/13
“ Welcome the decline of academia as we know it…. There is still nostalgia among conservatives – Today, it is nothing of the sort…
Think of it as a liberal tick, sucking blood and growing fatter off the efforts of Americans who actually produce something while contributing nothing to society except the clearly secondary contributions of those few in the fields of science and mathematics.
So, we have a higher education system that 1) empowers our opponents, 2) costs too much to both individuals and taxpayers, and 3) provides a crappy product 4) for which there is little market…
The centuries-old lecture hall model will crumble. Distance learning is coming…
– rejoice at the resulting tsunami that will wash away one of the left’s most powerful bases of operations… bully pulpit for zombifying future generations –
– the real joy will come from watching millions of the College-Progressive Complex’s inhabitants forced to actually produce something besides fascist speech codes and dissertations like A Three-Hour Cruise to Male Oppression: Gender Identity Issues on Gilligan’s Island.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2013/03/04/lets-help-academia-destroy-itself-n1523876/page/full/
*African Anglican Bishop Plans to Seek Legal Counsel After Dismissal by Dartmouth
An African-Anglican bishop who had his appointment as head of a Dartmouth College foundation rescinded because of past statements he made critical of homosexuality…
https://cnsnews.com/news/article/african-anglican-bishop-plans-seek-legal-counsel-after-dismissal-dartmouth#sthash.7K8uhArT.dpuf
Unlike the LARRY BRINKIN Racist Pederast Rape Ring apparently run from Frisco’s‘in-human rights’ commission, the Ruskizz are at least willing to talk about preventing such Evil…
Unlike the Lamesteam Media of ‘our’ bought and paid for ‘free press’, who know better than to mess with the GAYSTAPO:
**Gay couple accused of sexually abusing 7-1-13 (Russia Today)
An American pedophile has been convicted to 40 years in prison for years of sexual abuse of adopted Russian boy.
His boyfriend = members of the pedophile porn exchange ring Boy Lovers network
US Judge Barker explained that Mark Newton was tried at district court level to save a jury from seeing the images produced by the defendants: “‘What can be said? What can be done to erase some of the horror of this?’’
‘‘Personally … I think this is probably one of the worst [pedophile] rings … if not the worst ring I’ve ever heard of,’’ Brian Bone of the US Postal Inspection Service
“Russian orphans always attracted foreign perverts because of accessibility. The foreigners were simply coming and taking children for money,” Russian Ombudsman for Children’s Rights Pavel Astakhov
Russia has recently adopted two laws on adoption of Russian children
‘Dima Yakovlev Law’ banning American citizens from adopting Russian children… an amendment that bans the adoption of Russian children by same-sex couples from abroad.
“In forbidding foreign adoptions we put a barrier against scoundrels,” Astakhov said – he knows a number of similar cases when foreigners adopted children with solely sexual intent.
Ah, shades of the great Tom Wolfe in his prime, Michael. Until Bonfire of the Vanities, that guy could write a treat…mau-mauing the flak-catchers. My favorite was The Painted Word, to me the last, best word on modern so-called art. If it only makes sense when words explain it and doesn’t speak for itself, art is fishwrap as far as I’m concerned, and destined for the dung heap (one hopes).
oops. I got off topic. Sorry all.
Exchanging Peasantries
The disconnect between those who Pope Benedict referred to as “Professional Catholics” – and the ‘Peasants’ of the Church, was clearly dissected by Michael Voris in the most recent Church Militant TV episode.
https://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2013-08-16
Although it is admittedly more than a bit uppity for us Peasant Givers to lift our gaze up to the More Politically Correct (if not particularly ‘Holier’) than thou, who art on the ’tis better’ Receiving End of the Sunday Collection…
What is even more Un-Good is for those relegated to the phews to question said self anointed betters, who obviously already know better.
Did anybody actually read the article and its links?
Re the comment that Jesus was (is) a short, bearded Semite, he was (is) not short according to the evidence of the Shroud of Turin, which shows a man who would stand 5’11”.