On Wednesday, two Catholic men were thrown out of a diocesan event in San Diego with little explanation.
Hidden-camera footage shows the two men getting thrown out of Nativity Church, where Bp. Robert McElroy was holding a question-and-answer session on the sex abuse scandal. The event was free and open to the public.
Moments after they walked in, the men — one identified as Kevin Kramer — were spotted by Kevin Eckery, communications director of the San Diego diocese. Eckery can then be seen speaking to security.
Within about a minute, security guards approached the two individuals and told them they needed to leave. When they asked security why they were being kicked out, one guard said they had allegedly been “loud” at a previous listening session. Neither of the men, however, were causing any disruption at Wednesday’s event when they were told to leave.
After the men refused to go, security guards forcibly escorted them out, ignoring repeated questions asking why they were being thrown out.
Bishop McElroy announced in August there would be a series of eight “listening sessions” throughout October and early November to hear Catholics’ feedback on the sex abuse cover-up crisis. The bishop, however, has evaded questions with regard to homosexuality, a number of people openly challenging him and expressing frustration at his inability to deal with clerical cover-up.
This is not the first time security workers have removed Catholics from Bp. McElroy’s listening sessions. At an Oct. 3 listening session, several young Catholics — including Kramer — were removed from the event after they asked tough questions about McElroy’s failure to address homosexuality in the priesthood.
Wednesday night’s listening session was similar to previous events, attendants seated at round tables, with each table choosing one representative. Following a brief discussion, each table could ask one question of the bishop.
At Wednesday’s session, Bp. McElroy expressed a willingness to ordain same-sex attracted men to the priesthood.
Full story at Church Militant.
I’m always a bit leery of ‘hidden camera’ sources.
The secular press quoted Mcelroy saying he would ordain men with same sex orientation as long as they were clebate.
This and the Archbishop Vigano story both involve “powerful priests and bishops,” to use Bishop Morlin’s words, prohibiting any mention of the underlying problem of unrepentant homosexual behavior. It must be named and brought to light or there will be no healing and moving forward.
B. McElroy is a homosexualist (at least). And, as a member of a Totalitarian party, he will never, ever, deal honestly with pending issues, particularly not one like homosexuality (and he is absolutely not alone on this approach). You will only get sappy language from the bishop, and nothing of any Catholic doctrine. He, and most of the reigning Church leadership, will never, ever, admit to homosexuality being a problem with Catholic clergy, or even being present (with only a case or two being recognized).
Faithful Catholics need to get rid of these *** [you fill in the blanks so I do not get censored] in the Church.
Not Catholic “COWARDS” that would rather please the sickoz of the world. Some of the leaders of the church have there minds on sins of the flesh over Christ himself. When will or have this much attention been given to adulters or abortion ect ect. I’ll say it again, “COWARDS”.
I have no idea as to the possible disruption caused by the two men who got kicked out of the recent meeting with the Bishop. However– what a DISHONEST Church we have, with DISHONEST prelates— like McElroy! Yes— the whole world knows that McElroy, along with many other prelates—:favors a very GAY clergy and Church! A HOPELESS situation!
Bp. McElroy knows on which side his bread is buttered.
Listening Session:
“Listen: you’re ejected. Why? because you keep asking about homosexuality.
I want to talk about child abuse, not homosexuality.”
The Catholic Church should be extremely supportive of chaste homosexuals and of those in mixed orientation marriages that conform to Catholic teaching.
If you want to talk about being homosexual, this may not be the right place.
The listening sessions are about the crisis in leadership amid the child abuse scandals.
“Chaste” homosexuals really should have no ax to grind, so there’s no reason for any of them to feel impelled to join the gay fracas/circus. All of this is about a movement to coerce/cajole the Church into somehow changing its teachings on homosexual sex, and ultimately same-sex “marriage.” Homosexuals who need support in chastity can join Courage. As far as the crisis in leadership, it is defined by support of actively practicing homosexuals both within and outside the priesthood. So absolutely the homosexual clergy and hierarchy need to be called out at theses sessions, otherwise it’s all a sham, which is precisely what it is.
Why does the way these “listening sessions”are organized conjure up images of my early years as a worker in a communist country where the same exact manner of “giving input to the rulers” was employed? Admit only the ones you want there, throw out any “trouble makers” ( those who dare to question the rulers), limit the number of people allowed to ask questions etc etc…These “session” are organized only to paint an image of McElroy as someone who “listens” to people and is trying to do something about the horrendous crimes perpetrated by (among others) one of his mentors (Mccarrick).
I have no sympathy for them. They were ready to cause trouble, nobody walks into an event with hidden cameras without an agenda.
Asking questions is causing trouble! Riiight.
David,
Everyone with a data phone walks in with a hidden camera. Are you saying that everyone who walked into the event had an agenda?
Everyone with a data phone wasn’t recording the minute they entered the door. Use some common sense please.
David,
I don’t think it was their hidden cameras that did the recording.
Kevin Kramer was asked to leave at the second session at the Cathedral because he had been “mildly disruptive” at the first session.
Don’t know his motive for going again. wonder if he is part of “the resistance”
It’s the new Zero Tolerance policy. In the past, McElroy would’ve just discreetly transferred the two harassers to another table.
Seeing the video made me cry!!!!!!