The following comes from a September 11 Catholic News Agency article:
Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine, a Catholic who is currently the junior Virginia senator, said on Saturday that he thinks the Church will eventually drop its opposition to same-sex marriage.
“I think it’s going to change because my church also teaches me about a creator who, in the first chapter of Genesis, surveyed the entire world, including mankind, and said, ‘It is very good’,” Kaine said Sept. 10, according to the Associated Press.
His comments came during his keynote address at the national dinner for Human Rights Campaign, an influential LGBT advocacy group, in Washington, D.C.
Kaine cited Pope Francis’ “who am I to judge” comment, and then said: “I want to add: Who am I to challenge God for the beautiful diversity of the human family? I think we’re supposed to celebrate it, not challenge it.”
Kaine is a parishioner at St. Elizabeth Catholic Church in the Diocese of Richmond, but he has drawn controversy for his public policy positions. While he has said he is “personally opposed” to abortion, he received a 100 percent rating in 2016 from the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political arm of the nation’s largest abortion provider, and a perfect rating in 2015 from NARAL Pro-Choice America.
More recently, it was reported that he privately told Hillary Clinton he would support overturning the Hyde Amendment, a 40 year-old policy that prevents federal dollars from directly funding most abortions.
Tim Kaine is a dolt and a phony Catholic. He is representative of just about every phony Catholic who supports the Democrat Party: their religion is Marxism/leftism, not Catholicism. No knowledgeable, sincere and faithful Catholic could ever in good conscience support today’s Democrat Party.
His bishop ought to make a public statement that the views expressed by Kaine are unacceptable for any Catholic because they contradict infallible dogma about marriage, besides which they also contradict what can be easily known by reason about the nature of human sexuality.
Catholics who are Democrats and those who support Democrats are doing grave evil.
Infallible dogma about marriage. There is no such thing.
Council of Trent:
The perpetual and indissoluble bond of matrimony was expressed by the first parent of the human race, when, under the influence of the divine Spirit, he said: “This now is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh.” But that by this bond two only are united and joined together, Christ the Lord taught more plainly when referring to those last words as having been spoken by God, He said: “Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh,” and immediately ratified the firmness of the bond so long ago proclaimed by Adam with these words: “What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder.”
Canonist Ed Peters:
The Catholic Church teaches, though its ordinary magisterium and with infallible certainty, that marriage exists only between one man and one woman. CDF, “Considerations” (2003) passim; CCC 1601-1608; CCEO (1990) 776; 1983 CIC 1055 § 1; Rite of Marriage (1969) n. 2; Vatican II, Gaudium et spes (1965) 48; Pius XI, Casti connubii (1930) 6, 20, 23; Leo XIII, Arcanum (1880) 5, 24; Matthew XIX: 4-6; and Genesis II: 21-24. There is no evidence of ecclesiastical authority ever supporting any other definition of marriage.
Note. It is possible that this teaching is proposed as an object of belief (credenda, per Canon 750 § 1, doubt or denial of which assertion would be heresy under Canon 751 and thus sanctionable under…
…under Canon 1364 § 1); at a minimum, however, the Church proposes the man-woman assertion as necessarily to be held (tenenda) in order “to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith” (Canon 750 § 2), rendering those who “obstinately reject” the assertion liable to “a just penalty” if, having been duly admonished, they refuse to retract (Canon 1371, 2º).
Sawyer, let me humbly suggest that we stick to issues of faith, and not politics. There are people of good will in both major political parties. Not all Republicans or Democrats believe in the entire platform of their party. In this year in particular, there is no good choice for top leadership. The fact that Mr. Kaine believes that the Church will change its views on a subject does not make him a bad person, just one lacking proper direction on that issue or two. Democrats are not Marxist, per se, as you would want us to believe. Left of center, yes, but not evil.
BO, Fact: It is Kaine’s own words, that illustrate he is not humble enough to fully accept his church’s clear teachings re: marriage. Haven’t you heard? Kaine was admonished by a statement from his bishop! It is Kaine that should stick to politics, and not present serious scandal by giving exhortations on matters of his Catholic faith. Scandal is evil. Evil is when one supports (*by action, words, voting) or defends a sin. So it IS fair to say Kaine has evil tendencies by his own words of support for unholy marriage.
Kaine’s a good Catholic man. Who are we to judge.
Then at what point does one not become “a good Catholic man”? I mean, who are we to judge?
You, Sir, are deluded.
I think the “‘who-are-we-to-judge’, Kaine’s-a-good-Catholic-man” line is sarcasm—very finely honed, unless I am mistaken, based on other Campion observations.
Sorry, I failed to see the sharp irony there, my apologies.
Campion, you and I and everyone else make judgments about others every day. How else are we to discern evil from good, right from wrong, without doing so.
“Who are we to judge?” We are Catholics discerning the truth that we may follow our God with clarity and conviction.
That’s who we are.
He may be an honorable gentleman; but his understanding of the Catholic faith is way off reason. Deacon Vince
Tim Caine is pro abortion. Please tell us Campion. How can he be pro-abortion and a Catholic man at the same time?
He is not pro-abortion. He is in favor of government staying out of the moral decisions of women. There is a huge difference.
Our society has devolved to the point where people’s moral compasses no longer point in the right direction. In order to protect the innocent from these morally handicapped people, government is forced to get involved. The law otherwise prohibits murder of the living, it logically should extend to the unborn as well.
YFC is wrong again Tim Kaine is pro–abortion! Stop trying to sugar coat evil!
There is no difference, “Your Fellow Catholic” and you know it. Kaine is a spineless, conniving supporter of non-Catholic moral “principles” including rabid support for “for profit” abortion providers like Planned Parenthood. The only thing worse than Catholic like Kaine, are stupid and vacant clergy, like the dope who lead the congregation in a standing ovation for Judas-Kaine, and the craven bishops and cardinals of America — like Wuerl and Dolan and Cupich — who openly praise homosexual and other morally repugnant behavior and keep open the path to communion for the unrepentant.
No he is pro-abortion..deal with it YFC…..
Ah, Feeney, you’ve been taken in by that devil, sarcastic irony.
Tim Kaine is a self-styled self-identified Ted Kennedy-Catholic.
But in this day and age, as Cole Porter wrote, “anything goes”, and Papa Francisco says we are not to judge, eh? ;)
So Campion we are not to judge anything? Who told you that? So now it’s okay to commit crimes and Pope Francis says we are not to judge? Apparently you have a very active imagination. That would mean Catholics can believe whatever they want and still be Catholics!
John Campion was using sarcasm or “tongue in cheek” as the Eye of the Tiber does. Having read John’s posts before, I thought he was using it and now am sure.
Concerning Pope Francis’s “Who am I to judge”, it is most often twisted. From what I have read the Holy Father was talking about a specific incident where the person was showing signs of repentance, in the confessional I think. Pope Francis was saying he could only assume that he was trying to live a better Christian life.
It the person seemed or seems insincere that would be a whole different matter.
Correction: Wow, I had better stopped writing. Ha! ha! I meant to write in my first two lines yesterday, Sept. 14, at 10:09am this: “John, Campion was using, sarcasm ………. Having read Campion’s posts before, I thought he was using it and now I am sure.”
Sorry for the confusion.
“Papa Francisco” is several cans short of a six-pack.
The famous Bergoglian quote (more completely: “If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?” July 29, 2013 interview, flight from Brazil back to Rome) regarded Monsgr. Battista Ricca, at that time a planned appointee to the Vatican Bank, and of whom it was reliavly reported in the media and in Vatican circles that he has had several male lovers. P Francis’ minimizing reply only can be interpreted as tolerance for a corrupt status quo.
And, there would be no fiduciary risk, having a man who has has several clandestine male lovers, being in a key financial management position? Pshaw, who are we to judge?
Campion, I am not sure if that was the person to whom the Holy Father was referring, but if the situation was as you describe it, I would agree with you. I think that when trust is broken, the person committing the sin must win back that trust over time and not be rewarded right away, if at all.
Here is the original official Vatican transcript of the now-famous inflight interview of P. Francis 7/29/2013 (“Who am I to judge?”):
The Q. regarding Msgr Ricca came up at the very end, last full paragraph, at which Fr. Lombardi abruptly ended the interview.
The most complete accounting of the lively occupations of Msgr. Ricca is by Sandro Magister, with a date-by-date, readable outline of events he has verified regarding Ricca:
After all this information, a cursory “investigation” was made, Ricca was “cleared”, and…
…nothing has changed, so, whether Msgr. Ricca, or Tim Kaine, or Nancy Pelosi (etc. etc)., they are all fine Catholic men/women. Who are we to judge? ;)
If the Catholic Church says mortal sin no longer exists, the Devil has taken command. This man is not a Catholic, except in name only.
God created diversity, NOT perversity. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?
Why no, I don’t remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Were you there, Joel? Were you alive?
I remember Orlando. I remember Matthew Shepard. I remember Harvey Milk.
It has come out that Matthew Shepard’s murder had nothing to do about his being a homosexual, other than he was murdered by some men who had been into drugs with him, and one of them had been an ex lover of his, so you can cross that one off your list.
And Harvey Milk was taking money for his cause from the notorious “Rev.” Jim Jones of Jonestown, who was a practicing bi sexual, and knew he was dangerous.
One might say, “If you swing with the swingers, sooner or later you get hung.”
That last sentence of mine was meant to be somewhat of a pun, lest someone take it the wrong way.
Lets remember that Matthew Shepard was Killed by one of his Boyfriends while out cruising for sex in a bar, despite being HIV Positive and mixing his meds with booze.
Harvey Milk was a Pederast and Pal of Jim Jones (Jonestown) who got shot After the Mayor (Moscone) was Assassinated by a loser. Moscone got a plaza named for him, while Harv the pederast gets a Navy Oiler — as if irony weren’t already in play here.
Neither Deserved to be Killed (and nobody in Orlando either) but then Homosex Serial Killer Jeff Dhalmer got away with horrid crimes in part because police were afraid of ‘Ism-Obia’ and let him take his ‘lover’ off to die.
I remember that Harvey Milk was a raving pedophile and that Mathew Sheperd was a homosexual druggie who was murdered in a drug deal gone bad by his druggie friends, so what is your point? If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
“God created diversity, not perversity.” Great line!
No: just to seek God with a sincere heart and purpose.
If the Church can change its teaching on communion for those in adulterous relationships, then yes, the Church could indeed change its teaching on gay marriage.
God Bless, Archbishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller! WHERE ARE THE REST OF OUR BISHOPS? = NO wonder Tim Kaine thinks the way he does. Archbishop Gomez just allowed a same sex couple, and their adopted child, to represent “a normal Catholic family” bringing up the gifts at Mass. Also, instead of publishing something in the local newspapers about so-called Catholic politicians, Bishop Barron courageously published an article tackling the dangerously pressing problem of Mother Angelica’s lack of education, balance and nuance. No wonder the young walk out! YES, “We have met the enemy and the enemy is certainly us!”
Gay couple and their son help present gifts at the altar to Archbishop Jose Gomez
Archdiocese of San Antonio responds to Catholics for Choice advertisement in San Antonio Express-News by Deal Hudson the Christian Review
“Archbishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller. M.Sp.S of San Antonio has shown the kind of courageous leadership so badly needed in this election season. When the oxymoronic Catholics of Choice published an advertisement in the San Antonio newspaper (Sept.12) Archbishop Garcia-Siller answered with the following broadside. This statement has the ring of a bishop who has had enough of the nonsense and wants to set the record straight. Thank-you Archbishop Garcia-Siller!”
Gay couple and their son help present gifts at the altar to Archbishop Jose Gomez = What deceptive message does this send to Tim Kaine and others? The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crisis, maintain/preserve a position of silence/neutrality” – Dante
The true Church of Christ the Body of Christ the Holy Roman Catholic Church will never ever change their position on this issue. If some in the Church did try to change on this issue it would no longer be the Body of Christ or the true Holy Roman Catholic Church. Remember Brothers and Sisters in Christ what we are told in scripture that not even the gates of hell will prevail against the Holy Roman Catholic Church which is the true Body of Christ. Pray for the Church. Pray for all our Catholic Priests for a great shaking and deception is about to take place at any time now in the very near future.
Some people commenting on this story don’t seem to know sarcasm when they see it. If you had read any of the other comments made regularly by Campion, you’d get it.
How many dead babies will it take to satisfy Fake CatholicTim Kaine’s blood lust?
Help Defend West Point Cadets’ Right to Pray
Petition to Lt. Gen. Robert L. Caslen, Superintendent of the United States Military Academy at West Point:
I the undersigned, urge you to assure Coach Jeff Monken and the entire coaching staff and cadets at the United States Military Academy that it is entirely appropriate and legal for coaches and players to practice the free exercise of their religious freedom
West Point is one of America’s most respected institutions, and should never become a pawn in the hands of anti-faith activists who attack the faith of our nation’s warriors and future warriors.
The United States Military Academy should uphold the Constitution which its cadets are sworn to defend…
Unholy, mocking revelations from TK. Does he not know in his soul that God will not be mocked? T. Kaine says, “church could ‘change’ on gay marriage? By his own words he condemns himself & reveals his poorly formed interior. Kaine, another elite cafeteria Catholic, shows support for moral decline. Against his own church’s teachings, he prefers the Sodom & Gomorrah train to hell! Tragic. We are called to try to pray for his immortal soul. May God defend us from enemies within the church. Pray.
Does candidate Kaine (and Rodham Klintonista) have a position on this issue:
Lawsuit: Girls exposed to transgender twerking & grinding in locker room
A Minnesota public high school is accused of turning a blind eye as a transgender student engaged in twerking, grinding and all sorts of scurrilous activity in the girls locker room, according to an explosive lawsuit filed in federal court.
Alliance Defending Freedom is representing at least 11 families asking the court to stop Virginia Public Schools’ policy that opens up showers and locker rooms to the opposite sex.
Why, Why, Why are the Catholic faithful unjustly persecuted for doing the right thing & protesting T. Kaine? The priests & bishops should be showing their support for this type of protest from all the pulpits in the country. Seriously, they need to be prepared to remove their hands from the government till as the religious war is upon us. See article @ http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/editor-priest-unjustly-criticizes-faithful-catholics-for-protesting-kaine-a/ How much more ground will Catholics lose before the USCCB re-acts? Pray.
Bishop Francis X Di Lorenzo of Richmond, Tim Kaine’s bishop, said today, according to a CNA report, that Catholic teaching on marriage is constant and will not be changed. Also, Fr. Z’s blog has a good article about the supposed letter of Pope Francis on marriage, so all you “swingers” out there don’t get your hopes up too much.
This all reminds me of all the false speculation and reports about how Pope Paul was going to approve artificial contraception — which never happened — and how some priests, who had taken a vow of celibacy said that in the future they might get married. I guess one can call it the “I will sin and God will just have to forgive me syndrome”, which is a very dangerous game to play for one soul.
Correction: for one’s soul.
End of discussion folks…..praise be to God, Kaine’s bishop (of Richmond) made a strong & swift statement. “no change to marriage Mr Kaine” paraphrasing. Article @ http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/catholic-marriage-wont-change-bishop-says-after-tim-kaine-comments-32303/
Blessings to Bishop Francis X DiLorenzo of Richmond for a quick & CLEAR response. This might help stop the spread of scandal started by Kaine’s exhortations. Thanks be to God. But will Kaine’s response be humble? Pray.
BTW. I got an e-mail today from Autom Catholic Supply (they have very Rosaries and other Catholic items): Their advertised item? “The New Catholic Order of Matrimony”.
Huh? The Pope says most Catholic marriages are invalid (later revised to “many”). Why bother getting married anymore.
“What difference does it make.” -Hollary Clinton