Archbishop Jose Gomez wrote the following in the May 29 edition of the Los Angeles archdiocesan paper, the Tidings. 

The anti-Catholic persecutions in Mexico in the 1920s and 1930s are long forgotten, it seems.

The reality is hard to believe. Just a generation ago, not far from our borders, thousands of men, women and even children, were imprisoned, exiled, tortured and murdered. All for the “crime” of believing in Jesus Christ and wanting to live by their faith in him.

So I welcome the new film, For Greater Glory. It tells the dramatic story of this unknown war against religion and our Church’s heroic resistance. It’s a strong film with a timely message. It reminds us that our religious liberties are won by blood and we can never take them for granted.

That such repression could happen in a nation so deeply Catholic as Mexico should make everybody stop and think. Mexico was the original cradle of Christianity in the New World. It was the missionary base from which most of North and South America, and parts of Asia, were first evangelized.

Yet following the revolution in 1917, the new atheist-socialist regime vowed to free the people from all “fanaticism and prejudices.”

Churches, seminaries and convents were seized, desecrated and many were destroyed. Public displays of piety and devotion were outlawed. Catholic schools and newspapers were shut down; Catholic political parties and labor unions banned. Priests were tortured and killed, many of them shot while celebrating Mass.

The dictator, Plutarco Elías Calles, used to boast about the numbers of priests he had executed. His hatred of organized religion ran deep. He really believed his reign of terror could exterminate the Church and wipe the memory of Christ from Mexico within a single generation.

He was wrong. In the forge of his persecution, saints were made.

It became a time of international Catholic solidarity. American Catholics opened their doors to refugees fleeing the violence. My predecessor, Archbishop John Cantwell, welcomed many here to Los Angeles — including Venerable Maria Luisa Josefa de la Peña and Blessed María Inés Teresa Arias.

We need to ask for the strength to be Cristeros. By their dying, they show us what we should be living for.

Ordinary Catholics became Cristeros, courageous defenders of Jesus Christ. Many felt compelled to take up arms to defend their rights in what became known as the Cristeros War. Others chose nonviolent means to bear witness to Christ.

“I die, but God does not die,” Blessed Anacleto González Flores said before his execution. His words were prophetic.

Martyrs are not defined by their dying but by what they choose to live for. And the Cristeros’ blood became the seed for the Church of future generations in Mexico.

Today, we need to know their names and we need to know their stories.

We need to know about the beautiful young catechist, Venerable María de la Luz Camacho. When the army came to burn her church down, she stood in front of the door and blocked their way. They shot her dead. But the church was somehow spared.

We need to know about all the heroic priests who risked their lives to celebrate Mass and hear confessions. Growing up, we had prayer cards made from a grainy photograph of one of these priests, Blessed Miguel Pro. He is standing before a firing squad without a blindfold, his arms stretched wide like Jesus on the cross as he cries out his last words: ¡Viva Cristo Rey! (“Long live Christ the King!”)

We need to learn from the examples of all the Cristeros who have been canonized and beatified by the Church. And today especially, we need to pray for their intercession.

As it always has been, today our Catholic religion is under attack in places all over the world. In Mexico and America, we don’t face suffering and death for practicing our faith. But we do confront “softer” forms of secularist bullying. And our societies are growing more aggressively secularized.

Already, sadly, we’ve accepted the “rules” and restrictions of our secular society. We keep our faith to ourselves. We’re cautious about “imposing” our beliefs on others — especially when it comes to politics. In recent months, our government has started demanding even more — trying to coerce our consciences, so that we deny our religious identity and values.

We need to ask for the strength to be Cristeros. By their dying, they show us what we should be living for.

So, let’s make that our prayer this week. That like the Cristeros, we might be always ready to love and sacrifice to stand up for Jesus and his Church.

And may Our Lady of Guadalupe — Mother of Mexico and the Americas, and the bright star of the New Evangelization, pray for us.



Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 12:49 AM By Dan
Archbishop Gomez is a quiet, unassuming man, but his words thunder.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 4:25 AM By JR
Those is office today are doing the same with regards to the sactity of life. The only differance is that they claim to be Catholic and are killing within the womb without resistance from who are being murdered.Yes, Long Live Jesus Christ our King.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 4:33 AM By Neil C

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 4:57 AM By MAX
All should see the Movie – “for GREATER GLORY” asap so it will not be taken out the US theaters. Great movie, with wonderful actors. VIVA CRISTO REY ! Also don’t forget to attend the RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RALLY nearest you this coming Friday at noon. Check with your Diocese for the exact time and locations.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 5:19 AM By Anne Hendershott
The people of Los Angeles are truly blessed with a courageous Archbishop. Our family’s prayers are with Archbishop Gomez–and with all of our courageous bishops who have stood up to the denial of religious freedom by our government. We need to support them in this fight because it is a fight for freedom for all religions in this country. I am grateful and inspired by their courage.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 5:33 AM By rmuffin
Thank you, Archbishop Gomez, for this inspiring statement. God, give us strength to do what we must.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 6:25 AM By OneoftheSheep
We, in America, cry Viva Christo Rey! We will not be ruled by a tyrannical king who defines our religion for us. We call on all the angels,saints, and martyrs to help us to stand in these evil days.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 6:37 AM By JMJ
France, Spain, England, Mexico and coming to a Church near you, if we lose again this Nov.. Our only hope is in Our Lord, Jesus as our personal Savior, and with Our Blessed Mother to lead us to Her Son. Everyone should read Pope Leo XIII Encyclical, dated April 21, 1878 AD titled “INSCRUTABILI DEI CONSILIO” on the evils of society. If we didn’t see the date or the name of the Author, we would think that it was something about the evils that we are facing here and in the Old World Countries right now; which of course, we are, seeing how the big ‘o’ has declared war on God, His Holy Church, other Christians, the Jewish faith, all of America and the world. OBAMANISM is the newest and worst evil that satan has delivered to this world. +JMJ+

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:06 AM By max
this same horrible form of anti-catholic violence has taken place over the centuries, during the french revoluntion, during the kulturkampf in germany, under henry 8th in england, under cromwell, during the spanish civil war, and at hitler’s loving maniacal hands. yet CHRIST’S church contniues to flourish and speak for the gospel of life, for forgiveness, for solidarity with the poor, and for a better world for our children and our children’s children. as we heard JESUS say in the gospel yesterday at mass: “behold, i am with you always!” don’t despair!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:24 AM By MD
Archbishop Gomez nailed it in this article. I hope everyone has or does make an effort to go and see this wonderful movie. Our federal government may not be explicitly prohibiting our faith, but is setting policies in place where our Church will be penalized for our beliefs and we have been silent. Archbishop Gomez is right and we have to heed the call and become Cristeros and fight for our faith here in America. God Love You.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:29 AM By Pam
Thank you Archbishop Gomez for a beautiful defense of our Faith and the Christeros.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:33 AM By Tove Ann Purificacio
AMDG +M Praise be to God! Thank you, Archbishop Gomez, for your timely message to the faithful.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:46 AM By Camille
Reading about the Mexican martyrs for the faith makes it all the more sad to see some of today’s Mexican (legal) immigrant priests encouraging their parishioners to demand more government control of lives, more abortions of their babies, placing the government health care god before our Lord and savior. Jesus Christ

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:56 AM By Larry
At demonstrations in front of HHS offices planned for later in the month (the 18th, I believe) it would be great to see banners and chants of Viva Cristo Rey!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 8:10 AM By Sue in soCal
I hope Archbishop Gomez heeds his own words.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 8:12 AM By Matthew
Amen Archbishop Gomez! Thank you for this!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 9:00 AM By David Wheeler
Viva Cristo Rey!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 9:14 AM By JLS
Where are the Cristeros ball caps and T-shirts?

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 9:30 AM By Carolyn
Thank you Archbishop Gomez for this beautiful article. The “bright star” Our Queen, our leader, Woman of Revelation, Our Lady of Guadalupe is leading the way for the triumph.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 10:25 AM By Dcn Pete
History does repeat itself…we must keep our minds and eyes open..we must show others “Faith Is Not A Crime!”

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 10:50 AM By WADE
When was the last time you went to a movie and questioned whether or not you were worthy to call yourself a good Catholic and at the same time proud to be one? This movie stirs the soul, moves the spirit and challenges you to be a better Catholic. Don’t miss “for GREATER GLORY”. Viva Cristo Rey ! Hope to see some of you at the Religious Freedom Rally on Friday, and hope the rest of you will be at the rally in your own Diocese. Que Viva Christo Rey!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 11:22 AM By Leonard
Every Catholic should see For Greater Glory … Thank you Bishop Gomez

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 11:22 AM By Abeca Christian
I enjoyed the movie! It is a good one to watch with family. Finally we can go to the movies and enjoy a good Catholic movie and it displayed well our faith too. It didn’t depict the church as crooked like many of those secular movies do. I think that here in the USA we are needing real Catholics to step up too and become Cristeros! Long Live Jesus Christ the KING!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 11:23 AM By Life Lady
Our little parish St. Anne’s in Barrio Logan in San Diego is a parish that was born from this fight. I have a history there since my family settled there in Barrio Logan and attended Church at St. Anne’s. No one ever spoke about why, but I understand why, now. Fr. Gismondi told us about the history of St. Anne’s when we first started having our Mass there, and recognized all the martyrs that made it possible for us to be free to worship there. The dots have all been connected now, with our understanding of what price that parish was bought. It is the only personal parish in San Diego where a person, no matter where they live, can be counted among its membership. It is the only FSSP parish, where we receive the sacraments in the now “extraordinary form” which was the not so extraordinary form, but nevertheless, that traditional form that had served the Church so well up until Vatican II. I can’t express my gratitude to God for those blessings made possible by this little Church. In keeping with that gratitude, I raise my voice with others as I say “Viva Christo Rey” may He reigh forever and ever.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 1:17 PM By fidelis
What is left out of the picture and the history of Mexico at this era is the fact that Free Masons were and possibly still are active in the PRI. The heirarchy of the PRI were all Free Masons. I contend that they may still be heavily involved in directing the affairs of the PRI. It wasn’t until the PAN got into office that after a time the clergy could finally wear the collar and the nuns their habits on the streets. That took place in the last 25 years or so. Vatican II seems to have conveniently forgotten to give the warnings about the Free Masons to its faithful.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 3:51 PM By Colleen Barry
A friend shared this article. Thank You fora great article. “for Greater Glory” was an excellent movie and history I am very glad I am now aware of. I hope many people see this. Yes, the timeliness of this movie unfortunately is perfect for all americans to see right now. I will certainly learn more about the Cristeros and their canonization.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 4:33 PM By JIM WESTLAKE
Where is the acknowledgement that the present president of the USA is just the same as the former Mexican dictator getting started. He will destroy Catholicism and all Religion in the US and replace it with marxist-Muslim communnism

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 4:42 PM By Just sayin’
“For Greater Glory’ did just okay in box office this weekend: It ranked 10th. We all need to support it by seeing it more than once ourselves and by getting all our family, relatives and friends to see it. “For Greater Glory”‘s per-screen average was a decent $2,491 (better than many movies) on only 757 screens (some movies are on 2,000-3,000 screens), for $1.885 million total. So go see the film again!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 5:20 PM By Rachel
I hope God blesses/heals the entire world not just parts of it. ‘May God forgive me but to the Powers that may be.’ I hope people also learn to Pray FOR God, not just for themselves, the Good Lord needs peace,too! Down with the heritechs-they ruin souls elsewhere as well by clever means, misuse of Prayer & Science.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 5:29 PM By JLS
Never see mention of free masons, not at all. Doesn’t appear in conversations much at all.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:20 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Strong WORDS from Archbishop Gomez and he could lead the way by declaring that Canon 915 will be enforced in the Archdiocese, and he could reform the REC, but will he? God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:36 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
7:56 AM By Larry, You are correct, and if God wills, I will do it at the Santa Ana Rally as I did at the L.A. Rally and as I did last night at the end of the great movie that the Obama forces hate because the parallels are too easy to discern, “For the Greater Glory”. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:39 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
JLS, Wearing Her Mantle, the Brown Scapular were it is clearly visible will more than suffice for ball caps and T-shirts. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:51 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Life Lady, Fr. Ramirez, S.J. of Santa Marta Church on E. 38th St. in now Vernon, was the priest who baptized myself and my two sisters. As a little boy, my Mama Grande would take me by the hand and we would walk to Gage Ave. in Bell, take the bus to Huntington Park,and then the J Car to E. 38th to visit the good Jesuit at Santa Marta’s. My Mama Grande probably gravitated to Padre Ramirez, S.J. because her Uncle had been Obispo of Chihuahua, Mexico, Jose de La Luz Corral, S.J. who built the Jesuit Univ. in Chihuahua. The only difference between him and Blessed Fr. Miguel Pro. S.J. is that he did not get caught. He was always warned sometimes by persons in the government, when the Federales were close to capturing him, and he operated in Baja, Mexico. Archbishop Gomez needs to be told that “actions speak louder than words”! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 7:58 PM By RWhite
I too saw this movie and was delighted and impressed , definitely go see this film , this should be supported so that more films like this can be made. The DVD release I believe will be in October so let’s keep that in mind. Ignore the critics , films that people of faith enjoy and are inspired by seem to perplex them no end . The LA Times review and comment of “catnip for crusaders” says it all. I pray this film has a long run and does well for the companies responsible, God bless them for this good work , may it strengthen the faith and inspire other for good.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 8:28 PM By Abeca Christian
Just sayin’ I agree, we are going again but this time with more family members!

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 8:31 PM By gmoser3355
Thank you Archbishop Gomes. Now please enlighten Bishop Barnes.

Posted Monday, June 04, 2012 8:31 PM By Abeca Christian
Life Lady its a small world after all. That’s one of the parishes I attend as well. Small world after all!

Posted Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:25 AM By Gina Aliota
It still amazes me that we see how hard so many have fought….willing to suffer and die a brutal death…just to preserve our faith for generations to come…and yet so many wake up on Sunday mornings never giving a second thought to attending the mass they sacrificied their lives for. What’s worse, so many fail to teach their children the faith. How sad for this generation!! This movie is just another reminder of the price so many paid for our religious freedoms….only to slam the door on their efforts with total apathy. I pray for renewed hearts!!

Posted Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:27 AM By JonJ
I never knew about this part of Mexican history until I read about it on this site. Of course I think such actions were terrible atrocities. However, I don’t get the whining about secularist bullying. While I certainly agree with the church about obamacare and its attempt to coerce catholics to support contraception, I do not think we should use state force as a mechanism to make people act in conformity to catholic beliefs. Nor should we use social pressure to make others express conformity with christian beliefs. For example, in the past some individuals did things like football coaches coerced their teams to participate in “team prayers” at public schools, or bosses used their position to encourage expression of christian beliefs. Such things are improper and have been correctly acted against by the culture. Perhaps things have gone too far in terms of exising religion from public discourse. But, increasing religous expression in connection with politics creates the risk of improperly using state force. Certainly we need to resist attempts to force cultural norms that are at odds with Catholic faith, but we need to take care not to do the same thing ourselves.

Posted Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:40 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
JonJ, As a First String Defensive Back and End, I never had any problem with prayers before games, maybe it is you who should examine your “professed” belief! I didn’t quit playing football until I was in my mid thirties. When the team did not pray before the game, many of us did so on our own and in group. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:10 PM By JLS
Kenneth, I grew up playing “sandlot” football. I was a ball carrier. My friend and his brother before him were the high school quarterbacks; their father was an Olympic athelete, high school football coach and later a high level L.A. district administrator; their cousin was a recluse but may have become a priest later on. Thems wuz the daze …

Posted Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:27 AM By Betty
JonJ, Freedom of Religion has been under attack for some time, it is worse under Obama. Those who wish to pray may not do so in many public venues. In the USA those who do not wish to pray should occupy their time otherwise. No one in the USA makes anyone become Christian or forces them to attend any Church. Live and let live, but do not force people to adhere to your own beliefs the way Obama is trying to do.

Posted Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:01 PM By Sylvia
Indeed we need to learn more about the Cristeros and learn to defend our Faith as they did. I have been blessed to know about the Cristeros because my grandparents helped and aided them in the northern part of Jalisco. It’s reassuring to learn that Archbishop Gomez is encouraging people to go see movie in Los Angeles as I expected the same thing to happen in my parish in the diocese of Sacramento yet not a word, at first I was disappoined then I quickly remembered a priest is not the Church we all are. San Cristobal Magallanes Martyr, pray for us and teach us to defend our Faith. VIVA CRISTO REY!!!

Posted Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:01 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Betty, My friend, Rev. Patrick Mahony, and many others have been arrested for praying in public on the sidewalks in front of the major public buildings in Washington, D.C. (District of Crooks) and other places. Pray for Pat, he was raised Catholic, and has defended Catholics in Operation Rescue who were being told to stop praying the Rosary. Pat and Randy, the Founder of Operation Rescue, never took part in the efforts against us Catholics, and now Randy is one of us. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Wednesday, June 06, 2012 6:08 PM By JLS
You can live by a heat grate on the sidewalk in D.C. with your sleeping bag, but as soon as you pray, they haul you away.

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:13 AM By JonJ
Kenneth, I’m sure you didn’t have a problem with it because you are a christian. What happens if a muslim coach decides to lead his team in a prayer to allah, in a predominantly black school where the black muslims are the majority? You are a member of the team in that public high school. Would you consider this coaches’ act to still be right? That coach would be exploiting his position to use the coercion of compelling musllim faith expression. The club he uses is the implied threat that you won’t play if you don’t knuckle under to allah. If such an act is improper when performed by a Muslim, why would it be ethical when done by a christian? Is it because Christians have the “right” faith? Does having the “right” faith now give you carte blanche to force others to do what is “right”? Jesus ASKED people to follow him during his ministry on earth, he didn’t threaten to kill them, maim them, harm them, nor did he lasso strangers and drag them to into his ministry. Why do so called followers of Jesus think they can use coercion to make others express devotion to Jesus when Jesus himself did not act in such a fashion? Do you, perhaps, think you possess more wisdom than the Son of God?

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:03 AM By JLS
JonJ, this might be a surprise to you but Jesus continues “his ministry on earth”. He is not some philosopher who came and went.

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:05 AM By JLS
Also, JonJ, in your comparison of Jesus with Mohammed, Jesus is a verified historic person, whereas there is a controversy over whether Mohammed was an individual or a persona created by a group.

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:08 AM By JLS
JonJ, recall from your photographic memory of the Gospel where Jesus mentions His Father’s twelve legions of angels? Would this fact support your contention that God gives the devil a free hand in perverting creation?

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:39 AM By Rick DeLano
JonJ: Thank you for an excellent post @ June 7 1:13AM. The Pantheon is indeed the only possible solution, humanly speaking. Alas, it does’t work. It didn’t work for Caesar then, and it isn’t working for Caesar now. There is no equivalence between Christ and Mohammed, and any civilization which requires as a basic predicate of its existence that there must be such an equivalence, practically speaking, simply cannot stand. The great disaster of the Second Vatican Council lies exactly here- we are to convert the world, not seek religious liberty for enemies of Christ. Of course, this doesn’t sit very well with the John Courtney Murray types, but there it is. My advice is to listen to Archbishop Gomez. We will not secure our mission through helplessly disoriented scribes of the legal system; it has shown itself unable to understand even so basic a truth as the essential gender-uniting nature of marriage. No. Our vindication will not come from the courts of the Pantheon’s official membership approval committee. Go enjoy the last few years where you will be able to sustain faith in the Pantheon.

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:01 PM By JonJ
JLS, if I recall correctly, Jesus made the statement about the 12 legions of angels when rebuking Peter for chopping off the ear of a Roman soldier coming to seize Jesus. He told Peter He could call upon 12 legions of angels to defend Him if He so wanted. That He did not do so is an expression of Jesus’ respect for the free will of mankind. Jesus could have chosen to come to earth as any individual. That He became the son of a humble carpenter as a member of a conquered people speaks volumes as to how we are to behave. Rather than coming to earth as the son of an emperor (say china) and conquering the world with divine force, Jesus preached to mankind from the crossroads of the world. He made clear His kingdom was “not of this world” and repeatedly denied accusations of the Romans that he aspired toward worldly rule. Certainly, Christ had to deal with the world to some extent. The story of loaves and fishes shows us, among other things, how Christ had to consider the worldly needs of HIs followers and to provide for them. Consequently, the way to spread the word of God is to do as Jesus did: to feed the hungry, heal the sick and to embrace the reviled and despised of society, and spread the Good News. Seizing worldly power to compel obedience is NOT the way of Christ. Our use of force should be guided by Jesus’ example in the Temple with the moneychangers: just enough to prevent exploitation of the innocent by evil. Notice that Jesus did not kill the moneychangers on the spot with divine power, he chased them with a whip. Nor did he end the entire profession of moneylending, or end the practice of human economics altogether. Nor did Jesus cause the gold of the moneylenders to disappear by His divine power, to end their ability to act in the marketplace. Thus, if a follower of Jesus happens to possess worldly power, we must follow Jesus’ example in how we use that power.

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 2:39 PM By JonJ
Rick, I am not certain if you are being sarcastic when complimenting my post, but I do agree with you to a large extent. Augustine’s City of God, City of Man is instructive here. Not only is the City of God unachieveable on earth, Augustine told us that Christians need to view our membership in the City of Man sort of like “tourists”. We can strive for the City of Man to a certain extent, but we know it is not our permanent home. We are always looking toward the City of God and our journey to the next life. The value of the City of Man is as sort of a facilitator in our journey to the City of God, it protects the route against barberians, bandits and other criminals looking to close the way. Christians should protect the “religious liberty” of everyone, simply so we can practice our faith in God without interference from the state. Conversion of fellow travelers is best handled by spreading the Good News through kind acts to fellow travelers, by example and by word of mouth. Grabbing someone lost in the underbrush and dragging them toward the road by force is something that will not work. They will simply get lost soon again because they don’t see the true route. Their “map” is defective. All you can do is call out to them and hope they listen. Trying to use the state as a tool to compel conversion to God is an improper use of the state: trying to make a tool accomplish something beyond its ability. Every City of Man will collapse in the end. It will do so due to the corrupt nature of this world and mankind does not have the capability to stop this eventual fall. All we can do is play “horatio at the gate” and hold back the barberians for a little while. Sometimes, due to the imperfections of man, the state will create rules to prop up its own existence that are at odds with the perfect City of God, but may extend its ability to “hold the gate” a little longer. Supporting it is not necessarily wrong, as long as we do not get distracted from our journey to God.

Posted Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:42 PM By JLS
JonJ, no, Jesus made the “legions of angels” when talking with Caesar, who told Jesus that he had the power over His life. Your error not withstanding, your interpretation of the Crucifixion is wrong. The Crucifixion was not an “expression of Jesus’ respect for the free will of mankind”. Another indication that you never bothered to learn the Gospel is in your “Christ had to deal with the world to some extent”: JonJ, Christ deals with the world to a total extent, which can be easily seen both from His Gospel and from natural reason; the Gospel informs us that there will be a final judgment and that the earth will change totally; natural reason in that anyone can see that time will end just as it began, and the world with it. Your “social gospel” based on “the reviled and despised of society” is not actual Gospel, because it does not specify who are the “reviled and despised” sufficiently to distinguish between the poor and, say, the abominable movement of homosexualism. The only mercy extended by God to sodomites is that they either repent or go to their doom. As far as your vague presentation of money and power goes, Jesus said plainly, that man cannot serve two masters, that we can serve either God or money, but not both: JonJ, your blog can be inferred to mean that man can serve both God and money. All your conclusions are based on a foundation of sand … as I point out in the beginning of your failed attempt to post Gospel truth. You can only make a valid conclusion by using the true and real Gospel.

Posted Friday, June 08, 2012 6:03 AM By Rick DeLano
JonJ: I was not being sarcastic. Your post(s) show me tat you have deeply imbibed the modernism which, after all, is the very air we breathe. I disagree with you, but I recognize a consistent argument when I see one. The Church is not in relation to the State as you believe. The foundational “development of doctrine” at the Council is based upon a novelty, instead of upon the Faith once received. Our attempt to establish a modus vivendi at the Council was predicated upon a tragic misreading of the signs of the times, a tragic misassumption that we could somehow get along with a Masonic New World Order, just so long as it was the good Masons and not the bad Masons designing the Pantheon. I reiterate: this is the foundational, the stupendous disaster of the Council and its aftermath. It is well and truly over now. Even the bishops see it.

Posted Friday, June 08, 2012 9:15 AM By JLS
I used to buy drinking water at a water store in this small town. The proprietor was a retired wealthy former rat race competitor from southern Calif urbanity. He was Catholic and regularly attended the OF Mass, which in this area is run of the mill, with no extreme bizarreness. He also fellowshiped over at the local Masonic Lodge where he was a member. I challenged him about being Catholic and being a Mason. This 70 year old man in seeming excellent health enjoying the daily sunrise and warm weather from his store front window told me assuredly that the Masons were good folks and they did not mess up his Catholicism, and said subtlely that the Church’s prohibition was wrong as it made no sense. He was surprised that I turned down his invitation to their big annual barbecue. Two weeks later he suddenly died of a heart attack. Having talked with him frequently over a couple years, I did not see that coming down the pike for him … as he had reflected the essence of good health for his age group.

Posted Friday, June 08, 2012 9:22 AM By JLS
JonJ, had you only studied literature and reading the humanities instead of your science and law, you would possibly have developed the skills required to understand philosophy and theology. Although religion can be understood without much education, these two academic areas are not so amenable to seeing without a lot of preliminary work. There are “several” cities of God. One of these Cities of God is in fact present “on earth”. I keep harping on the function of the Holy Eucharist, and you keep ignoring the theology of it. Union with God, even if not total nevertheless creates Heaven on earth, ie the City of God on earth. What St Augustine meant was that the philosophical Platonic form of some “city of God” is not possible on earth. Try reading some Aristotle and you’ll begin to see why St Thomas went for the Philosopher rather than for his predecessor when developing his own academic work of how the Church view matters philosophical and theological. Go ahead with this project; it could take you years or it might take only a moment to “get it”.

Posted Friday, June 08, 2012 10:30 AM By Canisius
Only in the parallel existence of people like JonJ does the forced conversion to the True Faith of Christ exist, yeah maybe during the glorious crusades but certainly not now. While in the Islamic world this is the order of the day and how Islam spread so quickly and by the sword

Posted Saturday, June 09, 2012 2:08 AM By Kenneth M. Fisher
JonJ, Perhaps you were never taught the Truth, that there is only one true Faith, the Catholic Faith. Do we force others to believe, no, do we work for their conversion, you had better be trying otherwise He may say to you the same thing He said to the person who buried his treasure instead of using it for the greater Glory of God. Usually, unless your were playing for a Catholic school, the prayers in the huddle were non-denominational, when they weren’t I just said my own prayers and openly made the Sign of the Cross. To the best of my knowledge, no one was offended when I did so, and I believe God was pleased. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Saturday, June 09, 2012 2:24 AM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Canisius, There probably wasn’t much forced conversion by the Crusaders either. The Crusades were called because those nice Moslems were murdering and raping the Catholics, and oh yes trying to force them to accept their false prophet, Mohammed, as they had already done in too many Arab then Catholic Nations. Moslem Egypt was at one time under St. Athanasius the Great! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Saturday, June 09, 2012 6:59 PM By max
the glorious crusades???

Posted Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:24 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
max, Yes the glorious crusades when real men were willing to risk their lives and fortunes for the Faith! Were some bad eggs, of course, but that does not taint the whole movement as the Protestant Revolt tried to do and it still trying. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Monday, June 11, 2012 12:32 PM By Rick DeLano
Heck of a lot more glorious than imperialist oil grabs to make the Arab world safe for online porn and homosexual marriage.