The following comes from a Sept. 9 story by Rod Dreher in the American Conservative.
This morning I received a long e-mail from a reader who works in management at a major corporation. I can’t share anything from it now — maybe he and I can work out something whereby I can share a version of his letter while protecting his privacy — but it’s enough to say that he gave me a detailed account of how the bureaucracy in his company is collecting more and more data on its employees at the same time it’s tightening the screws on the internal culture of diversity. He said that traditional Christians are going deep into the closet there. If you don’t sign up as an LGBT “ally,” they know. No matter how openly supportive you may be of LGBT employees, the company is keeping track of who identifies as an “ally” openly, and who doesn’t.
It doesn’t take a paranoid to see where this is going. It just takes someone who has worked for a corporation, and who has seen how powerful the phrase “hostile work environment” can be.
It’s not “persecution.” But it is something. And it is real.
Ed Stetzer, writing in Christianity Today, observes that InterVarsity Christian Fellowship has been “derecognized” by the California State University system:
“IVCF has been derecognized because they require their leaders to have Christian beliefs.
“It’s not just InterVarsity that will be impacted. Following the same logic, any group that insists on requiring its leaders to follow an agreed upon set of guiding beliefs is no longer kosher (irony intended) at California’s state universities. This will impact many other faith-based organizations with actual, well, faith-based beliefs. Presumably, even People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals would have to allow Oscar Meyer to lead their campus chapters.
“Only in a modern American university would this make any sense.
“Now, it’s not persecution. Christians are not banned. People can share their faith. But, now, what we once called ‘equal access’ has taken another hit—people of faith do not have equal access to the university community, like the environmentalist club, the LGBT organization, or the chess club.”
Stetzer said the bigger issue is the “sanitization” of religious voices from the higher education community:
However, it appears, increasingly, that Evangelical (and Catholic and Mormon) beliefs are the new “racism” to be excluded from the free exchange of ideas at institutions of higher learning. For the safety and academic well-being of university students, Evangelicals must be organizationally separated (by derecognition) away from the scholastic populace.
Cardinal Francis George of Chicago writes about this issue from a Catholic perspective:
[See the story published earlier today on California Catholic Daily.]
Look, this is coming. This is the new world. This is post-Christian America. You will hear the Law of Merited Impossibility people yelling that this will never happen, but when it does, you people will deserve it, to try to shout down your concerns, and to hide from themselves the illiberal truth of what they’re doing. But it’s happening, and you had better get ready for it, and get your children ready for it, because the people driving this thing believe so strongly in their own virtue. Error has no rights.
UPDATE: Just got an email from the reader who sent me the first one, about his corporation:
As I read that, it sounds more Big Brother for the sake of Big Brother than it is.
It’s more like this:
If you don’t sign up to be a member of the LGBT “ally” group, they notice—especially if you are (or are potentially going to be) a manager. LGBT employees need to be supported by their manager. The manager is the front line with such questions as “I need to have off next Friday because my partner is having surgery” or “do my partner and I qualify for corporate adoption benefits?” If you’re in a same-sex relationship and you don’t know if your manager is an ally, this is a very scary conversation to have. People want to know it’s safe to confide in their manager without fear of being judged.
The company needs to know which managers can be trusted to this end and which can’t. No matter how openly supportive you may be of LGBT employees, the company wants to track of who identifies as an “ally” openly, and who doesn’t. If they don’t count allies and non-allies, they won’t be able to prove things are “improving” nor will they be able to target managers for further inclusion coaching. So, by making it “safer” for some employee demographics to be open about their personal lives, they’re inadvertently closeting others.
Don’t get me wrong. The end game is as Big Brotherish as you present. People need to be made aware of what’s coming. My gut says, however, we need to help people see the logic of how these groups get there. Otherwise we demonize our opponents, making it harder to converse with them and come up with a solution that makes things better.
These people aren’t trying to persecute traditionalists, they just don’t care if they do. Largely, because they’re not aware that their actions are having this effect. They need to talk openly with more traditionalists, and if all the traditionalists just assume that every liberal has it in for them, how will the two sides ever have enough respect for each other to dialog openly?
To read the original story, click here.
“Rod Dreher”: The phobia that you describe is well documented in different ways in several academic disciplines. In simple terms, it is the “good Nazi” syndrome, where people, otherwise fine and upstanding, take incremental, then bolder, steps to seek approval from the Ruler/King/President/Pope. Now, these people may not accurately understand what the Ruler/King/President/Pope (too wordy, let’s say the “RKPP”) really wants, but the sycophant so desperately (or fearfully) wants to conform (and thereby succeed) that they often produce results far more bizarre than even the RKPP might have intended. (Yes, just take a look at the overt stupidity of the IRS scandal regarding its treatment of conservative non-profits, and then bungling the agency’s lying to cover it up.) Now, the mere expression of a Christian principle — i.e., that homosexual sex is morally repugnant, sinful, and damning — may well get you fired. Just look at the founder of “Duck Dynasty” and a growing list of others. Now, Christians also need to be lawyers and be prepared to fight just to exercise their First Amendment rights (but people will still sneer at them, and create other kinds of discriminatory things to say and do in revenge). This is highly dangerous. Take a look at Daniel Goldhagen’s book, “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” (1996), which pretty much argues, convincingly, that virtually all of Germany’s working and middle class came to be “good Nazis” by turning in their Jewish, and non-Nazi, neighbors; that sort of thing. Americans are no different; now a mere difference of opinion on abortion, homosexuality and the like, makes you an enemy, perhaps one to fire, or, in the future, to imprison, or other. Wait, wait — didn’t Francis say that the Church — the Church — is spending too much time discussing these things; that we need to be tolerant, and marry fornicators and all that. Well, you can see where all of this goes.
St Christopher, we are supposed to be people of hope.
What good is it if you tell people that committing sexual acts with someone of the same gender is morally repugnant ( I assume you mean immoral-that is wrong), sinful (that is that there is a Creator who made them and using the sexual gift in this manner is offensive to Him) and damning (sins are punished and this sin can be punished with the loss of an eternity of joy in Heaven and that one risks the eternity of suffering in Hell if one is not sorry for committing this sin.)
And there is what you fail to say-that this sin can be forgiven because Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God-died on the Cross to pay the debt for this sin. One can forsake this sin by asking for grace in the Name of the Lord Jesus. One can still go to Heaven if they forsake this sin. And if they fall again, there will be more forgiveness for them.
We are to tell the Good News. That is our commission.
All mortal sins can be forgiven but there are conditions –
CCC: ” 1451 Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is
sorrow of the soul, and
detestation for the sin committed,
together with the resolution not to sin again.”
No resolution not to commit the sin again = no forgiveness.
One must detest (not love) their sins.
1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.
1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.
” By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins”
A priest once said that homosexuals sins are as difficult to stop as stopping an addiction to cocaine. We are all sinners who need to hear the FULL TRUTH. Keep telling a two year old only the good news that they can continue to misbehave and that they will always be forgiven. Good luck! Also, St. Christopher, has not failed to say that sins can mercifully be forgiven. There have been many occasions where St. Christopher beautifully posted about the mercy of God to each of our sneaky activists. Start reading all of his posts and you may eventually find the courage to stop hiding. That would be good news.
C’mon Anonymous, you cannot even muster up enough teaching courage to give yourself the good news of a recognized name. If your news was consistently so good then you wouldn’t choose to hide the good news under rocks.
With God all things are possible.
If homosexual sins are as difficult to stop as stopping an addiction to cocaine, then the moral culpability of the homosexual is lessened to the degree that homosexual sins become venial sins.
I don’t know if it is true and I don’t think that is very helpful.
We must tell the FULL TRUTH of the GOSPEL.
Jesus Christ died so that sins can be forgiven. Now how are they forgiven?
They are forgiven in baptism. They are forgiven in the Sacrament of Confession. Those who say that those who commit homosexual acts are doomed to hell unless they repent are not telling the FULL TRUTH.
Sodomy is not a venial sin my friend…it is a sin that “cries to heaven for vengeance”…a mortal sin in fact…stop spreading this diabolic manure senor…you and I and everyone else knows the truth of the matter…
Mortal sin requires 3 conditions: grave matter, full knowledge and full consent of the will.
And if you read more carefully, I said I did not think it was true and that it is not helpful to the person who presented the idea that it is an addiction, which lessens the moral culpability of the person committing the sin.
Devout Traditional Catholic is correct, Sodomy is an immoral sin. These truths have been posted here before, its already a known teaching of the church, conveyed often here, so if anyone still decides to commit sodomy after being told, they have chosen to sin knowingly! No excuses end of conversation!
You can’t say you weren’t told. No matter how you plan to use logic around it, its still a sin, a very serious one, one that sends a soul straight to HELL if there is no repentance and has not been confessed to a priest. NO excuses, sodomy is a deadly sin. Period. God has spoken about that! The truth is straight and forward.
Some anonymous persons just want to find cracks about homosexual acceptance. So it seems that way, by their words and wrongful usage of church teachings to justify certain sins. The church’s stand is clear on all types of sins. If the confusion began it is because of gossip and slander, it is because of reasoning away from God and the lack to fear the Lord. One must first be humble enough to seek the Lord, if they want the truth, so no excuses.
Any tone coming off as an approval of immoral sins, one must flee from such tones. We must remain confident in Christ’s teachings, In His holy word, In the teachings of His saints and His church. They can not contradict themselves. They must all be one with each other. Anyone teaching anything other, is teaching His/Her’s own and its considered heretical. Keep clear away from heresies.
I assure abeca Christian that I am not looking for loopholes to minimize the seriousness of sodomy or any other sin. I do not approve any sin. I do not know why you say immoral sins because all sins are immoral. Some are of greater gravity than others. Those called mortal sins are grave matters committed with full knowledge and consent of the will. A person who commits a sin without knowing it is a sin or who is pressured, forced or otherwise talked into doing something they do not want to do is not guilty of mortal sin. God punishes sins, but not all of them carry the penalty of eternal death. Those called mortal do. One should never commit a sin, especially not a grave sin. If one does fall, we have recourse to the Sacrament of Confession.
“I do not know why you say immoral sins because all sins are immoral.”
Of course you don’t know because you DON’T WANT to know. Let’s cut through the bait and switch baloney Mr. Anonymous. Faithful Catholics know that all sins offend God but there is a particular sin that is wreaking havoc within the Church. As the leadership influence in the Church goes the world goes. Now the world says YES to the illusion known as gay marriage. Bravo Michael Sam indeed! This particular sin has reared it’s ugly head once again within the Church and even St. Peter Damien described it well in the earlier history of the Church. The majority of the recent multi-million dollar sex abuse scandals were committed by homosexuals. The original (the right one) Jon Jay report was not about immoral overeaters or immoral gossipers or immoral shoplifters. It was about the problem of homosexuals priests who molested. What makes this particularly dangerous is that many were or are still in positions of authority to distort Church teaching while they had people such as yourself enabling their particularly heinous immoral journeys. Take your pick. You have done this either through… malice,… false charity…. or plain ol’ dumb as a mud fence thinking which still enables the undermining to continue. Your history of sly ambiguous posts do not resemble the dumb as a mud fence choice so you are more than culpable for your heinous enabling. You want to distract others from that truth but reality won’t let you.
Stick to the teaching of the CCC, not the statements of some Priest who will be used by people like Anonymous to sew confusion.
“Anonymous”: No one said that a sin of homosexual sex is unforgiveable. We all sin. We all need forgiveness and repentance; you too. You misread these comments, made in the hope that you will stop having improper and immoral sex, go to confession, and seek absolution. Then, amend your life. Unfortunately, you will get little help from the Church, where priests, like Mr. Happy-Bravo Dolan, will most likely say, “Bravo” to a statement of homosexuality. Moreover, the generation that gave us the present Pope, also gave us a legion of clergy that do not see a real problem with homosexual sex (or sex outside marriage for that matter, as can be seen in the recent marriages at the Vatican). This is a Latin mind-set and does not represent Catholicism. Yes, yes, you say, but the Pope this, and the Pope that. Well, saying and doing the things that are condoned by the Vatican is not evidence of the Holy Ghost’s approval. We do not worship a Pope, but God, and He is pretty clear about what is and what is not acceptable, regarding sexual ethics. Importantly — although you will not hear it in the Church much — try to be perfect: “Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt. 5:48 (DRV). Difficult to do, and impossible without Jesus, but it is the only way, for everyone.
I don’t have improper and immoral sex. I don’t have any sex. But there are other things that I will confess and try to amend my life about. Thanks.
Cardinal Dolan has always maintained a position in keeping with the Church on all sex. You won’t be perfect until you stop staying things that are false.
“…And there is what you fail to say-that this sin can be forgiven because Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God-died on the Cross to pay the debt for this sin.”
What you fail to say or seemingly even admit, Anonymous, is that scandal can be given. And by Church hierarchy. So whereas you desire to call out St. Christopher for his seeming lack of mentioning ‘hope’, you dismiss your own lack of understanding that it is rather hopeless to believe folks will be called to repent if they are given the false impression that sinful behavior is no longer sinful.
Presenting a false media narrative of inclusion without placing one’s hope in the fullness of Truth, which requires the repenting of sin, is no hope at all. For such is the gospel of man, not God.
You do not follow the conversation very well.
With God all things are possible as you said above, Anonymous, but with the ambiguity you prefer one misses what is of God by intentionally misleading as you do.
That is your issue to be sure.
Ann Malley, I said nothing ambiguous. Do you not understand the Catholic Faith?
Your style and presentation are ambiguous, Anonymous, as is your end goal.
It does not take a trained theologian to recognize a bait and switch style. (Like your last line to me.k) And for one attempting to correct Catholics who do know the Faith, that is rather confusing or ambiguous – much like your preference for anonymity which encourages confusion.
So to use your own words, “…We are supposed to be people of hope.” We are. We hope in God’s word which is Truth. And to the best of our ability, seek to transmit as much to upcoming generations. That includes the reality that grave sin offends the Beloved to the point of bloody crucifixion.
You also say, “What good is it if you tell people that committing sexual acts with someone of the same gender is morally repugnant…”
It might aid them in avoiding the sin all together by not giving the false impression that it’s all okay. AND by letting them know up front that God, although omnipotent and wholly merciful, is wholly offended by sodomy.
Not wanting to offend someone you love is a very big motivation for some. Fear of punishment motivates others to good. But talk of mercy without speaking to the particulars of offense gives way to many trying what they should not out of a false presumption. A presumption often created by manufactured ignorance of anything but mercy. That is not mercy and that is not Catholic teaching either, but rather an indoctrination of Luther’s notion of go forth and sin boldly.
Ann Malley, now your crabbing because somebody tell the Catholic Truth.
I am more convinced than ever that you do not know the Catholic Faith. You just proved it.
As for you assertions concerning me, fales witness.
The only crab I have with you, Anonymous, is your lack of consistency and logic in presenting the Faith that you say you know. Please, talk to your priest and ask him if you should be venturing out in this forum that continues to overset you. Perhaps a review of your interactions here by a trained and orthodox cleric would give you the insight you need to be more effective in achieving whatever your goal is. What you consider ‘false witness’ is just the disconnect revealed between what you think you communicate and what you are actually communicating.
You may want to consider that before you jump to crying false witness.
Talk to my priest? My goal?
False witness is not a disconnect between what I am communicating.
False witness is when you say things about someone that is not true.
Please read ANY catechism.
“I am more convinced than ever that you do not know the Catholic Faith. ” = Real Translation = Anonymous is SO convinced that Ann Malley understands the teachings of the Church and that is why anonymous is stalking her like white on rice to silence her or anyone who upholds “all” Church teaching. This is to be expected when the truth threatens the status quo. Anonymous’s style of silencing represents the reason why many of the sheep were scattered. There is not a St. Hireling or a St. Ambiguous and this is the reason that Our Lord said, “woe to those wolves who scatter my sheep
Stalking? I posted first. How could I be stalking her?
I didn’t try to silence her, either.
She comes in with crap that is completely off the subject: read trolling.
And nobody took her bait. So now I’m the bad person. I guess it is true what they say. So not even answer them.
Yes, indeed, Anonymous. Your goal, your priest, and your depth of understanding the Catechism you believe you preach and follow should all be reviewed. Not necessarily because I say so. But rather because you are so obviously upset about not being able to communicate your message effectively – whatever that may be.
A solid review of motive, means, and method on your part would be reasonable. If that is your goal is to spread the actual Faith and the understanding and practice thereof.
One may not be a clown, but if one dresses as such and is therefore called a clown, the individual donning the misleading attire cannot credibly cry, “False witness!” as you consistently do.
If anything you seem bent on false understanding and believing yourself above any review of reality. Again, you may want to ask your priest if only to ensure purity of intention on your part.
Thanks Catherine. But the more I read from Anonymous, the more I am convinced that not being understood by that one is, in reality, a compliment. One cannot reason with a person who would call – let’s say – an algebra book a cockroach crusher, giving the book a singular purpose of their own making, without bothering to look at the pages inside. While giving a mathematician or, in my case, an algebra student, all kinds of hell for intimating that there is more to ‘the cockroach crusher’ if one would only look beyond the hard cover.
The cache of smashed cockroaches is the only thing they can focus on to prove they are ‘right’.
Prayers all around.
Yes, Anonymous, I did chime in with the following:
“…So whereas you desire to call out St. Christopher for his seeming lack of mentioning ‘hope’, you dismiss your own lack of understanding that it is rather hopeless to believe folks will be called to repent if they are given the false impression that sinful behavior is no longer sinful.”
It would seem the only ‘crap’ you cannot handle is that laid at your own doorstep, the selfsame pile you attempt to lay on others for speaking out rightfully against the foolishness of giving even the slightest impression that the Church is shifting position on the ‘gay’ issue.
Way off topic is the word. For anything that pertains to your shortcomings or need for assistance is certainly not on the table.
Good luck with that.
Ann Malley, please read the catechism and stop so mean to people.
Anonymous, Cardinal Dolan gives scandal by agreeing to be the Grand Marshall (Grand Poobah) in a NY Parade that will be publically advertising and promoting the homosexual lifestyle – nationwide on TV.
Scandal is a mortal sin.
Dolan as all high ranking clergy teach through their public actions.
He should instead boycott the parade, and encourage all Catholics in his NY Diocese to do so as well.
” I know from a lifetime in and around politics that federal judges and Members of Congress read newspapers. They are influenced by the actions of moral leaders. They gauge what they can “get away with” by what Catholic prelates tolerate.” Del Marshall of VA.
See CCC: #2285; and 2357, 2358, 2359, 2396.
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
Anonymous, read the catechism for understanding and perhaps you will come to know that what you now consider ‘mean’ is actually kindness. Kids don’t like rules either, but when they grow up, they come to understand the wisdom behind the *consistent* application of them.
O my God, I firmly believe that you are one God in three divine persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I believe that your divine Son became man and died for our sins, and that he will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe these and all the truths which the holy catholic Church teaches, because in revealing them you can neither deceive nor be deceived.
St. Christopher, how could you hope that your post would achieve the ends you claim it was for (repentence, confession, amendment.) You mentioned none of these things. When I mentioned them, you accused me of being gay.
In general, a writing tip: you say many things that are false or potentially false. Stick to what you know to be fact, not supposition because then you risk false witness.
Make each post about one subject. You tend to go off on tangents.
You have potential as a witness to the faith. Diamond in the rough.
If your purpose in posting is simply to share your thoughts and opinions then you may carry on as you have been, although avoiding sin.
“…You have potential as a witness to the faith.”
Listen to your own words, Anonymous, and then heed them. Your witness, though perhaps very pure in your estimation, tends toward salt with no flavor. Much like your seeking refuge behind an ambiguous title that, by its very nature, disdains bearing witness as it rejects even a base identification.
I got rhythm Ann! Doo dah, doo dah. :)
Rhythm and humor often go hand-in-hand, much like having a pulse. God bless :)
As 2 Timothy 3:12 reads: “And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution.”
When we are deep into and willfully continue to sin, the worst thing that can happen is that our conscience won’t shut up. It refuses to go along with the program. Thus conscience gets projected on the society, the corporation, the family, the Church — everywhere but on the sinner himself. Even if it is a small barely heard voice — the sinner demands it be still.
Christianity has been trivialized for decades in the USA. Here is just another example. Shame….
Its terrible on what is happening but who cares what the enemy is trying to do! If more and more people of faith do not wimp out and do make a big noise when companies try to discriminate against them, then we can turn things around. We need to have a united front on this. What people do is allow themselves to be lead by fear, especially of the unknowing. Many have families to support and worry to lose their jobs etc. Which is reasonable. But if we unite and have support for people of faith who face persecution and who stand up for their rights, then we can remove some of those fears. As long as they feel protected, even if the current government isn’t.
We need to stop blaming but start being the solution especially for others who are weak, helpless and poor. If God gives the few good people a wealth of resources to make a difference, then those persons have a moral obligation to make a difference and those who do not have the resources, have a moral obligation to be in support of such people or organizations. Nothing is perfect as we can see but we can unite if we overlook each others flaws, unite and little by little return this country back to God!
I worked in a similar environment before, but I was open about what I believed and even wore religious medals and stood up for the rights of others to wear them too. I was a good worker and soon learned who my friends were. We covered for each other when we knew some would be unfair and do us harm, The game works both ways.
And, by the way, I bullied no one.
St. Christopher, is it right to openly accuse someone you do not even know— of MORTAL SIN? I have always thought computers are dangerous, to our society! They provide a very false means of social communication, in which people who do not know each other, are either invited to write comments to various subjects– or else respond, by writing their ideas and feelings, plus much more, if they get carried away! A computer can be a convenient– and dangerous!– weapon, in the hands of people who are angry and upset! But how can you accuse someone you never met– of a hideous MORTAL SIN?? Where is the Christ-like respect, value, and love, for human beings?? Some people who are accused of big (or little) sins, are very sensitive, some might have little love and acceptance from family or friends, and might also have painful difficulties in their lives, that we don’t know about– and some might even try to commit suicide!
“Linda Maria”: Who was identified as having committed mortal sin? If someone gives evidence that they are engaged in homosexual sex, they are guilty of mortal sin. If someone gives “aid and comfort” to those committing homosexual sex, they are likely guility of a mortal sin. The use of “you” in such discussions — particularly when most people are speaking under psuedonyms — is obviously not a personal identifcation of someone being accused of committing mortal sin. Your post is a typical “New Church” dissemble: avoid discussing sin, focus on squishy (and wrongly stated) concepts like “love” and “acceptance,” that sort of thing. You are likely to be getting your way soon, with the Ship of Francis firing all sorts of Benedict Traditionalists (with wonderful Cardinal Burke soon to go), and with the Family Synod soon to start the final trashing of the Church’s true teachings. The business of salvation is difficult, and is not the province of Puppy Love Christianity. This is not about feelings, but about belief and dedication. Homosexually-inclinded people have a difficult cross to bear, very difficult. Speaking the truth to them may appear unfeeling, but it is not, in fact, it is said in Charity. The worse thing to say to someone obviously sinning is, “don’t worry, Jesus understands; He has died for your sins, anyway, so you are forgiven”. If you believe this, then you are a follower of Martin Luther. No one knows for sure, what Christ will say to us when we are judged. Better to do what is clearly and obviously right, though, and to encourage your brethern to do the same.
St. Christopher, I don’t think you carefully read my post! Don’t you care about people? Yes, I am a firm believer that sin is a very serious matter!! Please read carefully! It is not a good thing, is it, to over-react! I was only saying, that I think it is a dangerous thing, especially with people we do not know– to openly accuse them of sinful acts, on a computer! Please re-read above, what you wrote, to Anonymous! “… comments made in the hope that you will stop having improper and immoral sex, go to confession, and seek absolution. Then, amend your life. (etc.)” Why accuse someone none of us knows, of sinful acts, and make assumptions about their personal lives? It is fine to debate ideas. But why get personal, and attack someone no one even knows??
Have you not heard of “by their own words they have condemned themselves”!
,God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Kenneth M. Fisher
Linda Marie, I am truly sorry that you have become the latest target. Thanks for standing up for the innocent.
Nothing “innocent” about standing up for homosexuality, in any form. In fact, criticizing anyone who points out the sinfulness of all homosexual sexual expression is precisely what Homofascists do (or pro-Muslim spokespersons, like CAIR). Attack anyone who says anything negative — anything — about homosexuality (or other “true believer” issues). The Truth is simply awful and intolerable to Homofascists (or Muslims, generally). The “innocent” identified by “Anonymous” are not, if they are in, or thinking of being in, a homosexual relationship. Stop the dissembling; Homofascists want to punish anyone who even wishes to “debate” the issue of the acceptability of homosexual sex. Personal attacks, threats, demands for firings, etc., all of that is the strategy of the Homofascist and True Believer. (Interesting footnote to what is being reported as Pope Francis blowing a gasket on the publication of a book — before the Synod — that contains the current writings of a number of cardinals against the communion of remarried Catholics “mercy” blatherings of Cardinal Kasper.)
No one stood up for homosexuality. No one criticized you for pointing out the sinfulness of homosexual expression (sex). Everyone agreed with you. I do not know Linda Marie but I would feel confident in saying she is not seeking out a homosexual relationship. We are not homofacists. We are Catholics. No one is supporting the strategy of the corporation in the article.
I’m guessing but you may have steeped yourself so much in the gay agenda and fighting it that you are getting confused on what the Catholic teachings are and are not. The Gospel is the same for everyone.
“No one stood up for homosexuality” = Denial is just not a river in Egypt but what else can you expect when someone rejects God’s grace while suffering with an objective disorder. Denial is part of the pattern. There has been a repeated history of denial when it comes to sneaky activists enabling or rationalizing the homosexual agenda on this website for years. We are very grateful to CCD for allowing everyone to witness what often takes place within the Church. What is most tiresome is that they do this while *pretending* to also be “in full communion”. Nothing could be further from the full truth.
Jesus, Prince of Peace,
you have asked us to love our enemies
and pray for those who persecute us.
We pray for our enemies and those who oppose us.
With the help of the Holy Spirit,
may all people learn to work together
for that justice which brings true and lasting peace.
To you be glory and honor for ever and ever.
Gaystapo Hate Campaign Ramps Up
I have cited several well written articles by Robert Lopez on this site, and just found out that his Truth Telling has landed him on another ‘tolerance’ Hit List, along with all the usual suspects.
Pastor Scott Lively has sent along a link to the Target Website that shows how much their movement is growing bolder – like the Homosex Terrorist ‘SA’ (Storm Troopers) under Homo-Nazi party founder / Coprophile Pederast Ernst Rohm and his prostitute protege Hitler.
Whether it be the ‘SA’ of the 1930s or the ‘SPLC’ of this age of Abomination, the propaganda may differ slightly, but the Perverted Hate Remains the Same.
“…The so-called Human Rights Campaign (HRC) has taken a page from the left wing hate-group Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and published a new report called “The Export of Hate.”
Ala SPLC this publication is nothing less than an enemies list designed to help people like “gay” activist Floyd Lee Corkins identify their assassination targets.
I have special cause for concern in this matter because I am listed by HRC as Target #1. http://www.hrc.org/campaigns/exporters-of-hate.
The Website Says of Lopez:
“Unlike Lively, Robert Oscar Lopez, a rising star on the anti-LGBT scene, is not formally associated with one organization. However, he has ventured abroad touting himself as an expert on the dangers same-sex parenting.
Between March 2013 and April 2014, Lopez traveled to Europe at least four times to rail against anti-LGBT adoption.
Lopez’s strident rhetoric borders on violent. On multiple occasions, he has equated same-sex couples who wish to adopt to “slavers buying children,” and a crime against humanity.
“It begins with a plea for tolerance. Then comes the desire to be able to live together without being bothered. Good, no problem there,” Lopez wrote in a blog post in 2013
. “Then comes the demand for legally recognized relationships. Then they go for educational curriculum, recruit children into homosexuality, take over the medical profession, and subvert the media.
The final phase is the demand to own children as property, which results, ultimately, in the demand to have free global channels to buy and sell sperm, rent wombs, and traffic children.”
Sodomites know that sodomy is a mortal sin, first because it is a very serious offense or matter…gays fully consent to it when they commit the depraved act…and yes, it is a matter of the will…their will is weak, they choose to indulge in this perversion, which is a mortal sin…a sin so heinous “it cries to heaven for vengeance”…sodomites are aware of the Church’s teaching and prohibition…they fully consent when they indulge…and their will is weak, because they give in…if the will were strong, they would resist…it is a mortal sin…NEVER is sodomy a venial sin…this is more diabolism, that Jon is fomenting…adultery is also a mortal sin…ALWAYS as is sodomy Jon…
I think you are confusing mortal sin with intrinsic evil.
INTRINSIC EVILS are MORTAL SINS that can never be approved;
Abortion, Euthanasia, Contraception, Homosexual marriage, Embryonic Stem Cell Research, Cloning can never be approved.
For more info on these and other Mortal Sins, read the CCC.
Intrinsic evils are sinful under all circumstances. So yes, they can never be approved. The things you mentioned are intrinsically evil. Along with homosexual sex, adultery they are always wrong. They are all grave sins. Whether they are mortal sins depends on whether the person who commits them has full knowledge that the deed is wrong and whether the person has done it of their free will.
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: “Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother.”The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility.
This is the case when a man takes little trouble to find out what is true and good,
or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.
In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”
It will be difficult for the LITERATE in the USA, Canada, Australia, Europe, etc, etc, to feign ignorance when they are judged by Christ.
The Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are available throughout the world and in most languages.
Laziness (not reading/educating oneself) will not be a good enough excuse for committing Mortal Sin.
In fact Sloth is a Capital Sin.
IV. ERRONEOUS JUDGMENT
1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.
1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.” In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.
1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one’s passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church’s authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.
1793 If – on the contrary – the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.
1794 A good and pure conscience is enlightened by true faith, for charity proceeds at the same time “from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith.”60
The more a correct conscience prevails, the more do persons and groups turn aside from blind choice and try to be guided by objective standards of moral conduct.61
It is persecution and it is growing. If you do not feel persecuted these days, perhaps you are not living up to your duties as a soldier of Christ!
The more laws that are passed by Federal, State and Local governments – – –
to force people to remotely participate in other people’s mortal sins (including but only through their taxes) the more persecuted good Christians will become.
Pray, fast, abstain to strengthen oneself for the future.
Anonymous, all LITERATE Catholics in the USA over age 15 have no good excuse for IGNORANCE of Mortal Sin.
Do not make excuses for the mortal sin of sloth (not reading). We must remember that sins of OMISSION can be mortal sins as well.
The Magisterium has given all Catholics the Bible and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
CCC: ” 1853 Sins can be distinguished according to their objects, as can every human act;
or according to the virtues they oppose, by excess or defect;
or according to the commandments they violate.
They can also be classed according to whether they concern God, neighbor, or oneself;
they can be divided into spiritual and carnal sins, or again as sins in thought, word, deed, or OMISSION.
The root of sin is in the heart of man, in his free will, according to the teaching of the Lord: “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a man.”
But in the heart also resides charity, the source of the good and pure works, which sin wounds.”
As posted by PETE above:
CCC: ” 1791 This IGNORANCE can often be imputed to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
This is the case when a man takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.
In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”