A California Catholic reader emailed us a link to the four-minute set of words by Father Mark Goring, CC recorded September 12 on the subject of Catholics voting.
“As Catholics there can’t be topics of discussion that are forbidden. The Catholic Church has a tradition of intellectual debate. We go after the truth using reason. This is a big part of who we are.
“So for example the question, can Catholics vote for a politician who very openly, unquestionably will leave the door wide open to the killing of the most innocent, vulnerable, helpless in our society?…”
Happy that the leftist politics of the USCCB are being trounced by priests. It’s about time the clergy flexed their muscles, they are ready and willing to get reprimanded by their weak liberal bishops. All this infighting has been foretold, Holy Mother pray for us.
A link to the full remarks would help.
Does the good Father suggest the incumbent is an ideal choice? How many divorces does Mr Trump have?
Mike, the link goes to Fr. Mark’s video (four-minutes) in its entirety. He did not suggest or endorse any candidate, let alone say such a person was ideal. Nor did he reject any specific candidate (or political party) by name. He addresses a type of politician, one who supports the killing of a group of people (whether Jews, the unborn, the Roma, homosexuals or Jehovah’s Witnesses). He asks if a Catholic should vote for a candidate who advocates for the killing of a group of people. And, he shares his conviction that such is not acceptable for a Christian (let alone a human).
(Also, one major candidate claims to be a devout Catholic, while the other does not.)
Mike…Are you clueless about the conversions of St. Paul and St. Augustine? Should they have been forbidden to become saints because of their checkered past?
Well Mike, how many abortions has Joe Biden supported over his 47 years in office think about that Mike M.
I look at what a candidate stands for today. It’s obvious what the party of death stands for today. How many Catholics will vote for Biden? The answer is zero. A real Catholic can’t vote for the party of death.
No James, you are incorrect. Hundreds of thousands of Roman Catholics voted for Biden. I voted for Trump in 2016 and have regretted it ever since. Biden’s political stance of Pro-Choice compared to the hatred, racist, facist, lying, tactics and a lifetime of egotistical, narcissistic, and immoral behavior of Trump makes the choice easy. I have no doubt that a good man is far more pleasing to our Lord than an unrepentful greedy man. .
Della, Biden supports abortion to the moment of birth and performs gay so called marriage….
James: with the Trump administration’s gross and intentional mismanagement of the pandemic which has resulted in 200,000+ deaths, it appears the Republican Party can also be considered the “party of death.” As one of my friends remarked, if you love your grandparents, you will not vote for the incumbent president.
Fake comparison Frank! 60 million Elective Abortions compared to whatever inflated covid death number CNN uses is meaningless. Do remember the Democrat party of death supports infanticide, because abortion just isn’t enough killing for them. Lastly, find some friends with Republican grandparents.
I’m sure you actually believe that, Frank. It’s always “Trump’s Fault”. While leftists were screaming that Trump was keeping people out of the U.S. and that he was a racist and xenophobe for closing the borders early 2020 it was all great to have people from infected areas come through our airports, harbors, and car lines. leftists even detested the wall that he was building while living behind their own walls.
Now that the Virus has spread across the U.S. the left is not happy that Trump didn’t do more to stop the virus from entering the U.S.
Those are the facts, Frank. You will do with them what you will.
Trump is always at fault, because, well… “Orange Man Bad” and all.
I know that people have suddenly begun blaming Trump for not doing enough to stop the spread of the virus. It’s easy to forget that these same people were calling Trump a racist and xenophobe when he did take action to stop the flow of people through our airports, harbors and checkpoints at the border. They were very upset that he was building a wall at our southern border while relaxing behind the walls of their own homes and gated neighborhoods.
I can see how people think that it’s Trump’s fault, just like I can see why Germans blamed the Jews and Russians blamed the Ukrainians and the South Carolinians and others blamed Lincoln. It happens. People are going to blame Trump that two sheriffs were ambushed and shot in Compton too. They’ll at least blame the Sherriffs for starting trouble.
Don’t you love it when the Left can’t accept the truth that Trump is Pro-life so they rehash their scary talking points and claim that Trump is responsible for 200,000 deaths. What they don’t say is that if Biden were President it might have been tens of millions dead because of his objection to Trump closing our country to anyone from China! And let’s not forget it was a Democrat and I’m sure the other Democrat governors who caused more deaths in the nursing homes by admitting those with the virus. Yes, if you love your grandparents don’t support the “party of Death” the Democrat party!
Frank, “intentional?!” Read the Republican Party platform, it does not include intentional death. Read the Democrat Party platform, it does.
Do you use recreational marijuana or where are you getting your misinformation?
The virus does not care who is President.
Hitler wasn’t elected.
It’s unfortunate that the Church has made this election a one issue vote. How quick they are to forget the grabbing of genitals and the immoral character of this president. How quick they are to forget the locking up of CHILDREN at the boarder and how quick they have forgotten the threats to Social Security and Medicare and just recently the report that immigrant women were given operations to prevent pregnancy. I abhor abortion in any form, but I cannot get past the immoral and lying corrupt practices of this president and his administration.
The Church doesn’t do single issue anything. The genitals thing was a crude comment, not an action. The cages came from Obama/Biden. Medicare and Social Security have been under duress for decades. Immigrant women were offered abortion and sterilization, not forced to submit.
Enjoy the facts James, and if you truly abhor abortion, don’t elect a man totally committed to it!
When did the President grab genitals?
What of Catholic Democrat Biden’s sexual abuse of women?
And, the border cages where built and put into use by the Obama administration. Why is that never mentioned?
So, although you won’t vote for the incumbent, is it true that you won’t vote for the abortion extremists, Biden and Harris, since you “abhor abortion?”
Obama did not separate children from their parents. In the Obama era, children were being sent across the border alone, and were helpless to take care of themselves and so emergency cages were built to provide them some proteciton. Under Trump, whole families started coming, and Trump separated the adults fromt he children and then shipped them off to other parts of the country, and parents often had no idea where there children were.
Let’s not forget that it was the Obama administration which funded and started the border cages. There is “no” threat to Medicare and Social Security. It’s just another lie coming from the “fake news” and unhinged Left. And please give us the source that immigrant women were given operations to prevent pregnancies. It seems disparaging Trump’s character is all the deranged Left has left. Sad.
True the Democrat party is truly a party of “death” it jumps with glee at the aborting of babies who by the way are over 60% African-American and yet the Democrat party tells us they stand with the Black community, sheer rubbish and disgusting to even state that with a straight face. The Democrat party is NOTHING like the party of JFK or Roosevelt not even near that, they are an openly anti-American anti-Christian anti-family party and openly Socialist and yes dare I say Communist well I said it.
Appreciate your willingness always to go there!
Fr. Mark Gorrin was only enlightening implications of voting for someone who is open to abortion and all that is against the will of God. He also standing against abortion as a Christian for he is speaking for the aborted babies. He also wants Catholics to realize the implications of voting for any of them. Choose wisely and don’t have blood stains on your hands because of anybody.