Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:56 AM By PETE
Obama is not a Christian. He speaks with forked tongue. “Though not new to some who have been paying attention to Barack Obama since he began running for president in 2007, this video from 2006 may stun those not yet aware of its existence, showing Senator Barack Obama dismissing America’s Christian heritage, mocking passages of the Bible, condemning the United States Defense Department, calling for “universal” values over “religion specific” values, and indicating the United States is not a nation under God – and in fact indicates the will of government is superior to the those of God. The public Barack Obama of 2012 is not the real Barack Obama – the REAL Barack Obama is the one speaking here in this video – a radical universalist, both dismissive and angry over the concept of a Christian values based United States of America.” – Video of Obama can be seen on internet – “Obama’s REAL views on Religion – the Ulsterman Report”.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:00 AM By Paul
Mortal Sin is Mortal Sin. CCC: “2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.”
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:11 AM By MarkF
I dread reading some of the comments on this site and I know that the statement of Fr. Derry is bound to spark the usual bile. But can we get past the initial reaction and try to get to a more rational place? Because it’s only if we get to a rational place that we can really oppose what he’s promoting. Fr. Derry seems to say that same-sex marriage is a victimless crime, or that our opposition to is just based on morality, and that morality is personal and private. That same reasoning would lead to the legalization of prostitution too. That same reasoning would lead to the state sanctioning polygamous marriages and perhaps even incestuous marriages. I do in part agree with what he says, but only in this sense. We can’t just be opposed to something. We have to be for something. We have to be gentle as lambs in dealing with each and every person we meet. But this priest doesn’t seem to remember that Jesus himself told us to be as clever as serpents. This is the dichotomy of Christianity. We have the moral law, which is strict and narrow, and we have the universal love of the Trinity. In my opinion we have to be against same-sex marriage but we can’t fall into blind hatred and bile in our opposition to it.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:24 AM By JMJ
First the big ‘o’ isn’t sanctioning ‘gay marriage’, he is attacking it, as any marriage between a man and woman, in consent to the marriage is not only gay, but happy and beautiful. What he is sanctioning is same-sex “marriage” which will always be wrong and despite that nonsense of what Fr. Derry (come on, is he even a ‘catholic’) is sprouting is absurd. He should read St. Augustine’s “Confessions” and his take about real love, as he truly loved his friends and teachers, even though they were men, just as David and Jonathan loved each other; the big difference, they knew that it was a love of friendship, not of lust and desire for immoral activity. Condoning sin is not about real love or love at all, it is just the opposite and both the sinner and the ones that condone such evil (including countries) will suffer an even worse fate than the sinner. To call this a civil matter and not a moral and/or religious matter is a sin in itself. This priest needs to be removed before he gets more people confused with his ideas. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!! +JMJ+
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:28 AM By contrary
“The real focus should be on how to be a loving person,” he said … Doesn’t loving your neighbor include refraining from sodomy?
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:53 AM By St. Christopher
Fr. Derry should not be a priest. He is an apologist for homosexual sex, a mortal sin. Derry’s statement of “civil rights” is one book end to seeking the Church’s change on homosexual sex and marriage (and sex outside marriage, which is directly related to this, as well as abortion rights, which is also “legal”). Derry’s bishop must publicly correct him, seek his public retraction, and suspend him if it is not given. The freedom of priests to “speak their mind” and go free for misstating Church positions on key moral issues is a central issue behind why many Catholics do not attend mass or go to evangelical churches, which teach biblical truth and certainty regarding moral behavioral choices. What does Derry tell someone who is engaged in homosexual sex? It’s legal, so its only a matter of conscience? Why have priests at all if you get this kind of “People Magazine” type of religious response. Perry needs to spend significant time in a monastery praying for forgiveness for the times he mislead his parishioners, or caused scandal.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:23 AM By Thomas Edward Miles
Now, I understand why the President and the NAACP came OUT for civil same sex marriage!
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:39 AM By Joe S
Dear Father Derry: Do yourself and the Church a favor. RETIRE. Do it yesterday.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:42 AM By JLS
Father Dan Derry needs to be defrocked. This man is ignorant for some reason. Is he a sodomite? If so, then the dulling of his mind by means of his perversion would explain his defiance of the Gospel, which demands the Church to disciple the nations. Where there is smoke, there is fire … his little mock religious domain is likely rife with moral depravity, and he may be leading it.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:49 AM By Jo Ann
I am ashamed of my Church, or rather some of our clerics. Jesus never said to “love sin”! Always it was to “Go and sin no more”! And sodomy is one of the four sins crying out for vengeance. No one is to hate “sodomites”. We are to pray for them and help them whenever possible, to overcome their disorder. I wonder if Father Berry’s Bishop will reprimand him and send him off to the “boonies” as happens to so many really good, faithful priests!
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:59 AM By Gabriel Espinosa
Father Derry…have you no shame? Probably a product of the kumbaya generation. sad.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:13 AM By Life Lady
“how to be a loving person”? As a loving person, I parented five cjhildren into adulthood, and as a loving person I was confronted, daily, with those children acting in a way that was contrary to my values as a mother, and as a Catholic. There were times when my soul was tested to its’ limits, and when I questioned God’s ordination of my being their mother. Never, in all that time of parenting my children, did I lose sight of how I needed to act in love toward my children. Never did I lose sight of my grave responsibility to parent them in a loving and effective way so that they would grow into adulthood with values, and a sense of responsibility to themselves and to the rest of society. The entire time that I corrected their behavior that ran contrary to those beliefs that I hold dear, and even the time that my very hand stung as I spanked my second daughter (she was the most outrageous at times), never did I lose sight of how my love for them, those gifts from God, could diminish due to their behavior. On the contrary, my love drove my spanking to cause my hand to be swollen for a day of so, to the point of having to apply an ice pack. Her offense had to do with obstinant denial of my rights as a parent to correct her behavior. I could not allow her to be so obstinant as to continue with behavior that would clearly impact her in a negative way in the future, which could lead to such risky behavior as to cause her, God forbid, her death. Therefore my focus on correcting her, was dominated by my desire to “be a loving person” toward her, and to correct her, in love, so that she could have that life to the fullest, the one that God has clearly desired for us, His Children. I find that there is need for a Catholic pastor in this article, whose mind may need an adjustment in how to love others, and I will keep him in mind when I pray for others. It appears that that is the one application of love that could do the most good for him. May we all do the same.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:18 AM By Ted
There is no “right” to enter into a marriage that I know of, and society does not derive any benefit from sanctioning gay marriage whatsoever. The raising of children is not part of an arrangement based on a same-sex couple, and is not a healthy way to raise a child compared to a married couple, mother and father. It’s a shame that a priest fails to acknowledge the truth because he’s so intent on being Politically Correct.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:15 AM By MD
Father Derry’s bishop should speak to him about upholding Church teaching. His statement about “divided leadership” is the opinion of a minority within the Church and does not reflect Church Doctrine. It is so dangerous for people who hold positions of authority within the Church to voice opinions that deny Catholic teaching and they have to leave their opinions at the door and teach according to the Wisdom of the Church. Fr. Derry is entering VP Biden or Katherine Sebelius territory here by speaking as a Catholic and spewing ideological rhetoric contrary to Catholic Doctrine. Fr. Derry can be contacted at [email protected] Please pray for Fr. Derry. God Love You.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:31 AM By Ryan
I am so tired of the argument that says, “not allowing persons of the same sex to ‘marry’ would be to deny them basic human rights”. This is demonstrably false, even if one agrees with same-sex “marriage”. A person with same-sex attraction CAN MARRY… a person of the opposite sex. A person with heterosexual attraction CANNOT marry a person of the same sex. The law already equally applies to everyone regardless of “orientation”.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:24 AM By MD
MarkF-I understand what you are saying. As Catholics we have to strive for unity and it is funny how much disunity a statement like this can cause. Fr. Derry should remain faithful to Catholic Doctrine and refrain from sharing his opinion as an authoritative figure, and we as the faithful have to not be quick to condemn. I think we need to let him know he is wrong and at the same time be charitable in our approach. This shows how clever satan is in the fact that he can use a priest to lure people into sinful thought in both the priest not condemning sin and stirring up emotions of judgement and animosity from those striving to live the faith according to the CCC. We are the ones who complicate the spiritual life because of our own egos and pride and I am the first to fall short here. I wrote to Fr. Derry and thanked him for his priesthood and shared with him that I believe he should try to rectify the statements he made to the Gilroy Dispatch and offered him my prayers. We are all in this together we have to help strengthen our priests who are attacked much more than the laity. God Bless You.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:34 AM By AndrewS
As a member of St Mary’s parish in Gilroy, I can tell you that Fr. Dan is in deep need of prayer. If you would like to contact the Diocese of San Jose: phone: (408) 983-0100 email: [email protected]
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:00 AM By Mark from PA
Life Lady, your post of 7:13 AM is somewhat disturbing. The thought that a parent would beat a child so severely that they would injure their hand and need an ice pack is horrific. It seems that you had a test of will with your daughter and sometimes this caused you to lose control. (That really isn’t love.) When dealing with children one must always respect the integrity of the child’s body.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:25 AM By Mark from PA
I think Father Derry is speaking from a Catholic perspective. A lot of Catholics feel as he feels. Pastor Smith says that homosexuality is a devastating lifestyle and that people have a right to their own lifestyles. He is saying what some Protestant sects believe but this is not Catholic teaching. A person’s sexuality is not a lifestyle, it is a part of who a person is. People don’t get to choose this, it is inborn. Ryan, I know that homosexuals can marry a person of the opposite sex. In the past the Catholic Church even encouraged this but I don’t know if at the present time the Catholic Church encourages gay people to pretend they are straight and marry a person of the opposite sex.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:49 AM By Abeca Christian
Father Dan Derry YOU HAVE SHAMED OUR CHURCH WITH YOUR words! Look it here, a protestant is behaving more like a real Christian, better than one of our own priests.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:47 PM By Clinton
How can Fr. Derry call himself a priest? The Apostles did not sanction or condone sinfulness. A priest of the Catholic Church is to continue in the ways of the Apostles and call men to lives of holiness.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:20 PM By JerryS
There, fixed it: “I have no problem with it SIN at all,” Derry said. “This is a civil matter, and should remain a civil matter, and every citizen has the same set of rights TO SIN.”
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:49 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Doesn’t loving your neighbor include, and these are His words of commandment: “admonish the sinner”! Pray for this confused and possible apostate priest. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:32 PM By MD
Mark from PA-Here you go again spouting incorrect theology. Pastor Smith is dead on in his statement and when one engages in a homosexual lifestyle, they are deviating from the true meaning of sexuality. You are neglecting the choice a person makes on whether or not to engage in a relationship with a person of the same sex. A person chooses to live a lifestyle and decides to participate in the disordered lifestyle of homosexuality. Fr. Derry is absolutely incorrect in his statements and is denying Church teaching on marriage and what the Church teaches as the 5 non-negotiables. Fr. Derry is a proponent of homosexual marriage and the Church says it is morally reprehensible for a civil society to try to re-define marriage. Do you not see the discrepancies here you create by supporting someone who clearly opposes Church teaching? This is why people get upset with you because you tell us you agree with Church teaching, then praise people who openly oppose Church teaching. Please stop flip-flopping and decide if you truly want to be a faithful Catholic, of which I hope will be your choice. Don’t be led astray by one priest who has rogue opinions, but trust the Church and the Magisterium. God Love You.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:16 PM By Life Lady
Mark from PA, my daughter has a very dense posterior. She could take a licking with her eyes closed, and spanking her with my hand was like a feather dusting to her. She never once was reduced to injury, but I certainly was. She always got her spanking with just the hand, and she was the only one to get spanked at all. The other four would be reduced to guffaws so loud while i was attempting to discipline her, I had to agree. It was futile to try to get her in line, she was and still is obstinant in sinning. After that incident I was advised by my grandfather to use a paddle, or a newspaper since she had such a cushion on her posterior that my hand was swollen. Believe me, she was not the one to suffer, but my hand did. Obviously you have never had the opportunity to discipline such a child. I hope you never have to. It is a challenge to my sensitivity as a mother to have to hold up my hands in submission. She is a fallen away Bible-thumping Christian, hateful of the tenents of the Catholic Church. For all my attempts to discipline her, she never had a chance. Her father was absent, so,have pity on her for her soul not for the spankings that I tried to give her. She never had one moment of suffering, but I certainly did.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:45 PM By Mark from PA
MD, I don’t really take issue with what Fr. Derry is saying. “He did not say the Catholic Church should sanction gay marriage.” He said that “homosexuals are still citizens entitled to basis human rights.” I back what this Catholic priest said as opposed to what the fundamentalist protestant pastors here are saying. You have a fixation against gay people as shown by your statement “to participate in the disordered lifestyle of homosexuality.” Again, a person’s sexual orientation is not a “lifestyle.” A lot of men have sex with many women, do you hear me going on about the disordered heterosexual lifestyle? Most straight people don’t live chaste lives but some do. Straight people have many different lifestyles as do gay people. I see Fr. Derry as a faithful Catholic who believes that gay people should be treated with respect and compassion and not discriminated against.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:00 PM By Lilac
Mark from PA and others of your ilk. Are you pulling our leg? As a former prosecuting district attorney in San Francisco. our office prosecuted many homosexuals for their public homosexual activities, such as, strings of “daisy chains” where any number of homosexuals were connected without clothes in public parks, alleys, etc. We prosecuted many homosexuals who had removed their clothes and were orally copulating in public parks,etc. I won’t describe the other activities in which homosexuals engaged in public because Cal Cath will not let me print. Are you saying that homosexuals were born this way and that their behavior in public in the nude is inborn in them and that God made them that way?
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:27 PM By Anne T.
Take this false shepherd out fast with a bishop’s shepherd’s crook before he fleeces the sheep some more.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:22 PM By Maryanne Leonard
Yes, indeed, Mark from PA, you are so right about the need to respect the integrity of the body of any child, whether one’s own or not. Always.
Posted Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:56 PM By Cody in Tucson
The article states “As for the Catholic Church, Derry said leadership is divided on the issue”, this makes me think that Fr Derry took a democratic survey of leadership and thus the 6th commandment can be discarded. So if he can do that, so can I! A survey of murderers in prison showed a vast majority voted in support of murder, thus this democratic vote means the 5th commandment is out dated and can be discarded. Likewise convicted thieves said that theft was a fine thing, pitch the 7th commandment. An overwhelming number of politicians surveyed were totally for lying, slander, fraud, detraction and calumny, thus there is no longer a need for the 7th commandment, it was voted out. Blasphemers love to use the terms “GD”, “oh my god”, etc, so they voted out the 2nd commandment. Most Catholics(?) vote to stay home on Sunday and watch the game instead of attending Mass, so the 3rd commandment also lost, in the trash. But all these people sited above still strived “to be a loving person”!
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:34 AM By JonJ
Lilac, I have always wondered about the gay pride parades and all the displays of public lewdness. Was it simply too many violations that made enforcement impossible? Or, were there more people cited than we realize, its just that no one notices because it was sort lf like trying to hold back the tide with a bucket of sand.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:21 AM By Canisius
Once again PA you equivaicate beings gay and straight, they are not equal… there is nothing disorded about a man having sex with a woman, since I have had engaged in a lot that in my past. Sinful, yes but thats my problem, the difference between you and me PA is that I dont make excuses for my sins, you always, always make excuses for sodomites ….MarkF I see what you are saying but the reaction is natural when I see a Church in near collapse due to the almost complete infilitration of a gay clique in the US Church which in my opinion controls much the hierarchy. That is why I believe in the entire USCCB should be abolished and new office established, headed by no more that 3 men (loyal Cardinals) which basically establishes a new Inquisition to finally clean the filth from the Church and be as harsh as necessary
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:12 AM By peter
Lilac – Are you suggesting that homosexuals on the criminal fringe represent all homosexuals? Do heterosexual criminals represent all heterosexuals? Sexuality is innate. Criminal behavior is criminal. No direct correlation between the two.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:58 AM By MD
Mark from PA-Have you paid attention to what I have said not only in this thread, but in the various threads we have had this dialogue? First, to participate in the lifestyle is gravely disordered. Trying to engage in a romantic relationship with a person of the same sex is contrary to human sexuality and contrary to our design. We were made to be complimented by the opposite sex, a man needs the femininity of a woman and a woman needs the masculinity of a man, it is the way we are designed by God. Second, if you have paid attention to my past comments, I have made it clear that I believe the root of the problem here are heterosexual people who misuse their sexuality in being promiscuous. When men and women have sex outside of marriage it is gravely disordered and a mortal sin. What I am saying to you is that Fr. Derry openly supports gay marriage and is in opposition with Church teaching. Why do you think he said this? I can tell you after corresponding directly with Fr. Derry that he does in fact think the Church should sanction so-called “gay marriage.” This article may not have expressly stated his opinion, but if he was true to the teachings of the Church, he would have spoken about the dignity of man and woman as created by God and not espoused the Church backing away from defending the sanctity of marriage. TBC
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:59 AM By MD
PA Continued: If a priest does not aim to protect the sanctity of marriage, then there is an inherent problem with his theology, and the premise of his article with the Gilroy Dispatch was that he believes the Church should not interfere with the state’s attempt to re-define marriage. It is the duty of the Church to promote virtue in society and marriage is the heart of virtue and the core of a society’s moral base. When marriage falls apart, the society will lose its moral capacity to decipher between good and evil. If one has SSA, they choose to engage in a lifestyle by participating in and succumbing to these desires and acting out based on their desires. Having an “orientation” does not necessitate living the gay lifestyle as every human being has the choice via their freewill to be driven by their orientation, or they can acknowledge this desire and aim to live a life of virtue by not engaging in the gay lifestyle. This is the point you are missing, the fact that a person chooses to engage in a lifestyle by an act of their will. I don’t think you will be able to fully embrace Catholic teachings on human sexuality until you realize this point. God Love You.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:17 AM By MD
All-I have been in correspondence with Fr. Derry and have to say that first and foremost, he needs our prayers as he has fallen off the deep end in developing a theology contrary to Church Doctrine on many issues, not only “gay marriage.” Though diocesan priests do not take vows, they make promises of fidelity to the teachings of the Church and he tried to inform me that “my way of thinking” is old and outdated and the Church has to embrace a modern theology in accepting contraception, gay marriage, woman priests, etc. I find it quite troubling that a priest, a man ordained to be a physical representative of Christ on earth would defy Church Teaching to promote an ill conceived agenda. I wrote an email to the both the bishop of San Jose, which I did through the San Jose Diocese website and Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Daly. I believe Bishop Daly’s email is [email protected] I forwarded my correspondence with Fr. Derry to Bishop Daly and ask that you write the good bishop and ask him to look into this matter as well. God Love You.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:29 AM By Maryanne Leonard
Life Lady, I was severely abused by both my father and mother and have made a study of child abusers. Despite your posting your opinions, it seems clear to me that you were way out of line in the way you treated your daughter. Your statement that “she never had one moment of suffering” reflects your severe insensitivity to her. You obviously beat her as a result of your own inability to parent her effectively. If your discipline caused you physical pain, how could it not have hurt her as well? She rebelled against you and against the Church but is at least still a believing Christian, even if you would describe her as a “Bible-thumping Christian.” I am grateful that she is still a believer and hope that she will be able to overcome her abusive background. In my own case, that has taken a lifetime of therapy. I have learned that most, though not all, abused children end up angry, resentful, rageful, rebellious and about 40% go on to abuse others, sometimes even criminally. About 80% of those in jail were abused as children. I am fortunate that I was so tenderly taught and loved by Catholic nuns and priests as an abused but obedient child that I see the Catholic Church as a place of refuge. However, I suffered a shocking event as a teenager at the hands of a priest on Church property which left me reeling psychologically speaking and caused me to turn away from the Catholic Church myself for 40 years, seeking refuge in the Protestant church as I fought off agnosticism. Thank God above I now have my faith fully restored to me, but it did take 40 years. Jesus taught us to love Him and to love one another. He also said, “Suffer the little children to come unto me.” Your daughter did suffer at your hands and almost certainly suffers inside to this day. I hope you will go to Him now as a child of God and pray for forgiveness for the pain and suffering you did indeed inflict on your child, and go to her to see her forgiveness as well. Help heal her, Life Lady.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:41 AM By Catherine
Life Lady, We can often learn a truth from someone who we often disagree with. Mark from PA was right. Your post about your daughter sounded absolutely awful. Many people can relate to having a very, very strong willed child but the way you speak of your daughter contains so much anger and hostility and bitterness. I am sorry for your suffering. Life Lady, you need to have a miraculous softening in your heart. It does not sound like you have released your daughter in God’s love. It sounds like you are still being controlled by your very angry memories. I do not say this to offend or hurt you but has anyone ever told you that your daughter sounds almost as rigidly stubborn as you are?
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:17 AM By Anne T.
My post was about Fr. Derry, of course, not the other pastor.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:48 AM By Anne T.
Life Lady, it sounds as if it would be a good idea for you to listen to Dr. Ray Guarendi, a child psychologist on EWTN who is a specialist in parenting and behavioral issues. Although, as far as I can remember, he does not rule out a swat on the bottom with a bare hand on rare occasions, he certainly does not recommend it for common use or to an abusive extent. I only swatted one of my grandchildren on the behind with my hand once because he ran toward the street and would not stop when I told him to do so. After he got the slight swat, not more than two swats that incident, he never ran toward the street agains and always stopped when I told him to do so; therefore, I might have saved him from futher harm, but we should never do a child bodily damage, bruises, etc. Also, we need to know the law about such things in our area, and that was all that was legally allowed in my area at that time, and I felt it was needed to protect him from being injured or even killed.. All other times I used “time out” and taking away privileges. The way we were brought up in the 1940s is not what is used now, Life Lady.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:09 AM By Anne T.
Dr. Ray Guarendi is also on Immaculate Heart Radio. I am sure you can find his television and radio schedule on line.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:22 AM By Catherine
MD, Are you naive? Don’t you realize that this priest is only being open about his dissent? Bishop Tod Brown assigned a priest who has now been promoted to Monsignor, to shamefully help to hide a former priest’s homosexual relationship by asking Catholics who were aware of this disobedience to sign a secret oath. This was an attempt at a secret oath to hide privately accepted evil. The faithful priests in our diocese agreed that there is no such thing as an oath so you can hide evil behavior. This sly handed oath actually took place. The real problem is that there are many clergy who do not think this is evil behavior. They think just like the priest in this story. I have heard these priests publicly tell Catholics that they know what the Church teaches but that times have changed. They may put on a public persona that they are in agreement with the Vatican, but behind the scenes they are scrambling to dismantle the teachings of the Catholic Church. The priest in the above story is a Joe Biden in the sense of being outspoken. Many dissenters are in charge of our chanceries. This is why this priest is not at all afraid to speak up. Also, our bishop has never retracted his memo of support for homosexual domestic partnership. Our bishop has promoted priests to Monsignor who have admitted to certain parishioners that they think just like the priest in this story. Stephen Brady also gathered much evidence of an infiltration of homosexual clergy. This dissent is the filth that needs to be removed. Yes, we should pray for the conversion of all of these disobedient clergy who are doing the very same thing as the priest in this story. Thank you for asking us to write to Bishop Daly. The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good Catholics to do nothing. Rome knows how bad it is. They are waiting for the laity to speak up. Prelates at the Vatican referred to Los Angeles as a BIG can of worms. If we remain silent, we will have the clergy that we deserve.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:26 AM By JLS
peter, all homosexual activity violates the Law of God, aka Jesus Christ, and thus is criminal in the eyes of God. It is the secular governments which need to step up their laws to conform to the Law of God. This is what the Great Commission given the Church by Christ calls for … ie, evangelizing the world governments. In that the secular laws in the jurisdictions you find yourself fail to live up to this divine requirement, anyone advocating these errant secular laws also fails to live up to the commandments of God, which are identical to the commandments of Christ, which are in fact Jesus Christ. You have no way out, peter, but to embrace the Gospel and not some other man or boy.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:15 PM By MD
Catherine-I do not know much about Bishop McGrath or his orthodoxy, but have heard good things about Bishop Daly. I am prayerful that the forwarded emails I sent to Bishop Daly showing the dissent of Fr. Derry in his own words will gain attention in the diocese. I will probably forward to my bishop, Archbishop Gomez. I have seen results in writing the bishop about a priest openly teaching heresy. It may sound naive that I had hope that Fr. Derry was misquoted and I knew in my heart he actually defies Church Doctrine, I wanted to be charitable in my approach to him. His generation of priests are all beginning to retire and the hippie ideology of the 60s will have to be uprooted by the new priests being ordained who tend to be more orthodox and Eucharistic Centered. With prayers and the persistence of us the laity, maybe Fr. Derry will find an early retirement courtesy of San Jose. God Love You.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:58 PM By Anne T.
Catherine your post at 10: 22 AM is exactly right about Fr. Derry. If he said what was reported in the article it is clear that he does not believe in Church teaching on so-called marraiges between people of the same sex because he hums and haws and considers it no big deal and makes ambigious statements. I would never go to such a priest or take my grandchildren to such a parish, neither would my daughters. No one has the “right” to misuse their body. We do not have to criminalize it in certain cases, but neither do we have to or should give our approval to it by voting for pseudo marriages between those of the same sex.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:28 PM By Mark from PA
Canisius, in some instances there may be something disordered in a man having sex with a woman. If a man rapes a woman, this is disordered just as it is disordered if a man rapes a man. Both acts are gravely sinful. If a man goes to a prostitute, female or male, this is disordered. Many women are held in bondage by men and are sold as sex slaves. This is disordered and a great crime. I don’t make excuses for men, gay or straight, who exploit and harm others.
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:45 PM By Anne T.
The Jonestown massacre is one more reason I run for the hills and far away from any priest, minister or person who tells me such behavior is all right, contrary to everything the Catholic Catechism and the Holy Bible tells me. Beware of false prophets. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing, whether Catholic or Protestant or whatever. Beware!
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:16 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Mark from PA, 5:28 PM, There are natural immoral sex acts and their are unnatural immoral sex acts, and you know it. When a man rapes a woman, that is an immoral criminal act, but it is natural, likewise when a man uses a female prostitute, that is immoral but natural, when a male prostitute has sex with a man, that is immoral and not natural. You are constantly making excuses for homosexually active men, we see this all the time on this site, and I am not the only one who recognizes it. All of the above are serious Mortal Sins! May God have mercy on your poor soul, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:30 PM By k
MD, I commend you for contacting Fr. Derry and when learning that he dissents from Church teaching on all those issues, forwarding the information to his bishop. Thank you for informing us to pray and asking us to act.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:45 AM By max
KENNETH for goodness’ sake you are saying that it’s NATURAL for a man to rape and commit incesst with his daughter, because one’s a male and one’s a female? the way you write it makes it sound like you believe it’s worse for two grown men to live as a couple than for such incest to tkae place. you scare me.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:22 AM By MD
K-Thank you for the kind words. I feel it is my duty to do so. The most troubling thing he said to me was his stance on contraception, although the other issues are of grave matter as well. Given the divorce rate today and the fact that our religious freedom is under such jeopardy, I believe we as Catholics cannot sit back and allow Catholics to proclaim false doctrine. The secular media and our government justifies the necessity of contraception by stating how so many Catholics use artificial means of birth control and by having priests proclaim an opinion that the Church incorrect on this matter, he is causing great division within the Church. He should either keep his opinions to himself or be removed from his ministry in my opinion. God Love You.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:32 AM By MD
PA-If you “don’t make excused for men….who exploit and harm others,” why do you support the heretical comments of Fr. Derry? Please read my double post to you from yesterday. Fr. Gilroy could have and should have told the Gilroy Dispatch what Church teaching is, not expressed his own ideology. I don’t understand why you support such comments when they cause more harm than good. You seem quick to follow ideology that is 98% bad because of its 2% goodness. The sad part about the whole thing is that if Fr. Derry truly embraced Church teaching and taught Church teaching, and for that matter if you truly embraced Church teaching, the 2% of good that stands for the dignity of a person with SSA comes to greater fruition and can more readily be lived. This causes me to question whether or not you truly want the good or if you have desire for the acceptance of the illformed ideology. I will continue to pray for you. God Love You.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:51 AM By Mark from PA
Sorry Mr. Fisher, I don’t think it is “natural” for a man to rape a woman. To me it is unnatural and disordered. MD, what do you think? Do you believe these acts to be disordered?
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:00 AM By Mark from PA
Mr. Fisher, I will tell you a story of when I was younger. When I was in 10th Grade, my best friend in 8th Grade asked me if a woman could get pregnant if she was raped. I told him yes that a woman could get pregnant that way. I knew this was true but I didn’t understand why being assaulted or beat up could result in pregnancy. You see at that time I had little knowledge of the female anatomy, I didn’t know women had periods and I didn’t know what intercourse was. So I actually didn’t know how a woman got pregnant. Since I really didn’t have the instinct I was very much in the dark about these matters. As I learned more when I was older, I always thought things such as rape and prostitution were unnatural. They are unnatural to me. The sharing of love between a husband and a wife I saw as something beautiful and natural.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:08 AM By Anne T.
MD and Catherine, I will pray for Fr. Derry and do what I can. After all he is another human being, and perhaps some crisis in his life caused him to fall. We have all fallen at times. Nevertheless, such ideas and behavior cannot be toleranted in a sermon.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:35 AM By Anne T.
Discussing things such as this on a public forum is a real problem as the laity does need to know what is going on so priests truly teaching orthodoxy and that horrible events such as Jonestown do not take place. On the other hand, the priest’s right to his good name should be considered. It is hard in such cases of this, though, since this priest has been so public about what he thinks. What else can one do but write about it publicly.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:19 PM By MD
Max & Mark From PA: You completely took Kenneth’s comments out of context here. The point he is making is it is natural for a male to have and to desire to have sexual relations with a woman. Any sex outside the covenant of marriage is disordered, but when people of the same sex have relations it is both disordered and unnatural…That is what Kenneth is saying. He is merely saying that it is natural for a male to have relations with a female. There is a difference between being natural and disordered. God Love You.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:02 PM By JLS
“Natural relations for unnatural”: PA, this statement by St Paul is clear. It distinguishes between same sex behavior and heterosexual behavior. He was talking to people in Rome when it was yet centuries away from being Catholic. He was talking to pagans and new Catholics whose cultural practices varied a lot. St Paul was telling them to stay away or depart from same sex activity. Nowhere did he call the rape of a woman by a man unnatural. It is not the sex in this situation that is unnatural; the problem is the violence. Even violence occurs in nature, but homosexual acts do not. The hype that claims it does is false. Like rape these deceived claimants confuse a non sexual action with sex. With homosexuals all their acts are unnatural, no matter how non-violent they might be.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:05 PM By JLS
PA, what do you think the difference is between sacramental marriage and non sacramental marriage of man and woman?
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:07 PM By JLS
max, hope you find a way out of being scared. But why are you equivacating homosexual behavior with incest? The gay movement is a social threat because of the political force due to large numbers of sexual fools; whereas, the incidence of incest is small and does not threaten society due to its minimal numbers. Hope you can stop shaking enough to see this.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:07 PM By Anne T.
I meant to type “tolerated” instead of “toleranted” in my first previous post at 11:08 AM and “teach” instead of “teaching” in the post after. Sorry for the confusing typos.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:47 PM By Mark from PA
MD, are you actually defending the statement that when a man rapes a woman it is natural? You say that it is natural for a man to desire relations with a woman. Desiring to have sex and having sex with one’s girlfriend or partner is one thing. Rape is another. It is easy enough for you to criticize me but it seems that you are afraid to admonish Mr. Fisher.
Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:19 PM By FrMichael
The priest is of the Diocese of San Jose? Oh well, he will retire when he is ready to retire…
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 4:43 AM By Mark from PA
JLS, “With homosexuals ALL (?) their acts are unnatural, no matter how non-violent they may be.” So it seems to you that homosexuals are unnatural just by living and breathing. You have your own theology on this, JLS, and it isn’t what the Catholic Church teaches. Whatever views you have on gay people, it seems that you brought them into the Catholic Church with you.
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 8:37 AM By max
“Some people get so taken with the religious aspects of the issue, they forget that homosexuals are still citizens entitled to basic human rights,” Derry said. —- yes, but basic human rightss doesnot mean that a society must do everything efveryone wants. for example, women in every society should have basicc human rights, but that does not mean the CATHOLIC CHURCH must ordain themm. men should also have basic human rights but not every man who claims to ‘have a voccation’ has any right to be ordained (he might just be kooky and self-0deluded). a teacher who seduces her 15year old student should not have the right to marry him, either!
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 11:43 AM By JLS
PA, the Church doctrinally teaches that the homosexual condition is a grave moral disorder … This means it is unnatural; the inclination to same sex attraction is not natural; it is unnatural. The act is unnatural, and thus the orientation is unnatural. Now, PA, take the flat of your hand and slap it upside your gourd a few times as you read this over and over … until you get it … gently at first of course until you begin to knock some of that gay propaganda out and can begin to manage a few knocks on the noggin without going into some gay version of a catatonic trance.
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 1:24 PM By k
JLS, sometimes when you paraphrase church teaching, I can’t tell what you mean. It doesn’t sound like you’ve got it exactly right.
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 1:36 PM By Abeca Christian
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 4:00 PM By Mark from PA
Well, JLS, as I have said, to me rape is unnatural. If this is part of my moral disorder than I am thankful to God for making me this way. My orientation is natural to me.
Posted Friday, May 25, 2012 4:09 PM By Mark from PA
JLS, can you quote to me exactly where in Church doctrine it says that the homosexual condition is a grave moral disorder. I have never heard a priest or nun say such a thing. If this were true then homosexual persons would have no place in the Catholic Church.