Clerical Narcissism and Lent

The following excerpt is from a story by George Weigel on the First Things website February 22.

Since the introduction of the new liturgical texts this past November, I’ve attended Mass in Australia, California, New York, Rome, Washington, and Phoenix, and in none of these venues have I detected any of the calamities confidently predicted by opponents of the new texts. 

Not only has there been no visible distress over “consubstantial”; the People of God seem to have rather quickly and painlessly adjusted to the changes, so that, three months into the process, it’s a rare “And also with you” that escapes the lips of an unthinking congregant. In fact, most of the people who’ve spoken to me about the changes have applauded them.

Things are not-quite-the-same with priests.

One implicit purpose of the new translations, with their deliberate recovery of a sacral vocabulary and their adoption of a more formal literary rhythm, was to discipline the tendency of priests to turn the Mass into an expression of the celebrant’s personality.

The difficulties some priests have had with adjusting to the changes suggests that this tendency was, in fact, a real problem in implementing the reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

Prominent Catholic psychologist Paul Vitz once wrote of this as a problem of “clerical narcissism,” and while the phrase undoubtedly stings, there’s something to it—something that needs correcting.

At Mass in the cathedral church of a major American city recently, I ran headlong into the problem in a rather striking way. The celebrant in question seemed not to understand that the invitation to the penitential rite is now prescribed, and not a matter for personal chattiness.

Having failed to set up the Missal properly before Mass, he nattered on about his difficulty with “new books” while searching for the Collect of the day. He belted out those parts of the Offertory that the Missal prescribes as being said “quietly.”

He rearranged several phrases in Eucharistic Prayer II to his liking. And he prefaced the Prayer after Communion with another voluble commentary on the difficulty of finding the right page.

I’m sure the priest in question is not a wicked or ill-intentioned man; he doubtless imagines that he’s making the Mass more user-friendly by taking liberties with the Missal.

But, objectively speaking, he’s a prime example of clerical vanity: a man who imagines that his chirpy personality is the key to what Vatican II called the people’s “full, conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations.”

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Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 1:10 AM By PAT
In my Parish (FL) our Priests follow the Missal exactly without fail. I follow along in my new Daily Roman Missal by MTF. (There are several of us parishoneers who do not tolerate straying from GIRM – General Instruction of the Roman Missal.) If people allow abuses, it is their own fault for not speaking up. Don’t complain, ACT.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 5:46 AM By FHKJ
This is a classic example of lay snobbery as well as a lack of charity and consideration for a priest’s humanity. Priests are not robot’s!

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 5:52 AM By St. Christopher
At some point, priests, and bishops, certainly, must be labeled as more than simply “other intended”. It is a mystery why priests that wish to worship only as the Church did for centuries, have to fight for any recognition from the Vatican and the “Office of Bishops,” but bishops and priests can simply do what they want with the Mass. Come on, in a number of Masses, after the recent change, there is a virtual revision to the older, Vatican II, language. As said in these posts previously, the collective mind of the controlling groups in the Church is that there was a breach in the continuity of the Church with Vatican II. There is an impatience to “continue with the revolution” which will be all the more evident with the political pressures brought on by the Obama polices (i.e., “what’s the big deal”) and the modernist demands now circulating in Austria and the EU but sure to come to America. There is already a virtual schism and Benedict XVI knows it — how he will respond is the key question.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 6:34 AM By Juergensen
Our pastor continues to preface the introduction to the Gospel with “Sisters and brothers . . .” That “spirit of Vatican II” thingy, you know.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 6:50 AM By Sue in soCal
And while we’re at it, may we have a return of priests with big boy voices? Chirpy personalities and chirpy voices have worn on me.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 7:07 AM By JLS
Alcoholism can addle the mind, and make it difficult for the individual to engage with others, and this problem is indicated in the description of the cathedral priest described by Weigel. Changing habits is difficult enough without the additional snares of self destructive behavior. So, “clerical vanity” has its children, and they can be almost as bad as demons.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 7:18 AM By Life Lady
Wow, I clicked to read “the whole story” and managed to get half way down the comments section after the article. I can certainly see what is happening in the Church with the new and more accurate translations, and am extremely grateful for my having the opportunity to attend St. Anne’s and have my FSSP pastor for Mass. There is no confusion with what they now call “the Extraordinary Rite” according to the 1962 missals. They are correct in calling it that, it is an extrarodinary Mass, the offering of the Holy Sacrifice, the Eucharist is presented by the priest at the altar facing and offering to God, God. There is nothing more beautiful, more endearing, more splendid, more holy, than that, Father is offering God to God. He doesn’t have to worry about us, he doesn’t have to banter, speak superfluously, make us “feel good” with that speech. We get a top notch homily on Sunday, and the rest of the week we can confess our sins before Mass begins, follow the Stations of the Cross, pray quietly or sit and reflect on God, the Saints, the Sacred Heart, Our Lady of Guadalupe, the Divine Mercy. I can go on and on. I still say that if anyone is longing for that sort of scenario in your diocese, pray for an FSSP parish to be established there, and then when it is established, attend it, support it, and thank God everyday that you have that opportunity. As for me, I will continue to attend St. Anne’s, and pray for all my brothers and sisters who are out there, longing for that experience, and opportunity to not be confused, and to attend Mass in Peace.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 7:28 AM By AA
So True! Even when I know the Bishop has expressly instructed the Priests of our Diocese to follow the text, I have experienced the deviance. When brought to the attention of senior Priests … The excuse is “the changes over the years since V2 were so plentiful it’s hard for them to keep up” LAME !

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:04 AM By Marie
In defense of those priests who are having difficulty adjusting to the “new book”, let’s keep in mind that a great many priests of our best prieests are well-advanced in years, and the transfer over may be quite hard for them. I have seen a priest struggling to find the correct section of the text. This priest is 80 years old and is a full time priest – not retired.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:26 AM By Larry
Why the timidity? “At Mass in the cathedral church of a major American city recently, I ran headlong into the problem in a rather striking way. The celebrant in question seemed not to understand that the invitation to the penitential rite is now prescribed, and not a matter for personal chattiness.” Which major American city, which Mass, which celebrant?

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:53 AM By Auntie Oxidant
To the many priests (and people) that I have heard every Sunday for these past 3 months mispronounce this “new” word in the Confiteor: the word is “grievous” not “grievious”… it doesn’t rhyme with “devious.”

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:55 AM By charles
Amen to this, ego centered people can try to adjust almost anything to thier concept. Attending Mass where the priest or in our case the moseigneur decides to be a jolly good fellow and insert his ideas causes me to offer up a quick prayer to stop me from jumping up and shouting out “follow the script the scenes have been set by the experts in Rome” I know how groovy we are in California, but it is about time our priest etc conformed.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:14 AM By Fr.Michael Perea
I have come to love the new translation. The old translation was good,in the sense of good enough, but this one is better,much better. It is more faithful to the original Latin.I can already see that it is having a good effect on the faithful in the pews and I predict that it will soon lead to an increase in vocations to the priesthood. I celebrate Mass both according to the Extraordinary Form of Blessed John XXIII, better known as the old Tridentine Latin Mass, and the Novus Ordo. I can now honestly say that I enjoy celebrating them both of them equally. Amen.Alleluia.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:35 AM By Angelo AVP
The laity in our parish adjusted quickly. Its our pastor that is simply not adjusting. He seems to reject the changes. He’s young so the change is no enormous challenge. Its no challenge for any priest as they are all well educated.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 10:04 AM By MacDonald
I thank God that our parish priests made no complaints about the New Roman Missal, did nice catechesis about it beforehand, and have obviously prepared themselves before every Mass so they can celebrate the liturgy properly and with dignity. They even bought laminated cards for EVERY person in the pew, to help the rest of us get used to the new translations — and with time we won’t even need those helpful cards. Celebrating the Sacraments is the MAIN calling for our ordained ministers, so not carrying out this ministry properly is really shameful.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 11:42 AM By Clinton
Something His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI has emphasized is the celebrant of the Mass has to grown small so that the Lord may grow and be the sole focus of the Mass. The Mass is not our Mass, nor the priest’s Mass, the Mass is of Our Lord. That is what makes the Extraordinary Form so beautiful is its reverence for the Lord. There is no going off script by the priest, nor any self indulgent drum banging and guitar riffs. Thank you, Father Perea, for your willingness to offer Mass in both forms. I pray that as time goes on, we will be able to celebrate the Mass of all time much more often.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 2:08 PM By Delilah
The “New Translation” is wonderful. Both of our parish priests made no complaint. There are very few “and also with you” said anymore. I think that phrase may have been said by someone who does not come to Mass regularly but comes say on Ash Wednesday. Now, if they could only translate the Our Father. Pax

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 2:45 PM By Denise
Things vary from priest to priest at our parish here in the LA diocese. But who can even think about what is said at the altar when three weeks ago, the confirmation program with all 50 teens came in for the assault and performed a dance routine to a tune sung by drug attack Bruno Mars called ‘Count on Me’. We were then fettered with beads strung around our necks by the aforementioned dancers gigling up and down the aisles, that included a red heart and some inscription that had nothing to do with Catholicism. And, yes you guessed it, this was followed by one of the ‘parish youth’ making a direct appeal for money from the altar so they could pay for a bus to Anaheim. Oh fun. I considered a donation just to get them the heck outta there. The dancing was poor to say the least, the rump shaking was foul. Anyone who blames the Novus Ordo Mass doesn’t know their faith, Satan hates the Novus Ordo and uses the ignorant, the prideful and the foolish to attack it and most especially Our Lord present there. PS When we get a car, (this parish is as far as my husbands heart condition allows him to walk) we’re outta there

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:11 PM By Cheryl
I deliberately mumble “consubstantial” since it is not a real word. The translation we had prior to using this non-word was closer to the original Latin, consubstancio (sp?). I, like many, many others mumble through the “Lord I am not worthy that you should come under my roof…” (or something like that). I think of those who are homeless saying it, and it is nonsense. I pray from my heart the prior phrasing as it is more concise and inclusive. Even the youth and elementary students think this is a “ruined” change.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:15 PM By Abeca Christian
Great insight on Clerical Narcissism! Something we often not give much thought of, even from within ourselves.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:29 PM By Cody in Tucson
I first heard Eucharist Prayer II ‘abused’ in early January by an older retired priest who liturgically abused the previous missal. He obviously is changing the wording in at least 4-5 places in the EP II. Like this priest, I also heard 2 pastors change one particular sentence in EP II. After the words of consecration EP II prays for the Pope, for the Bishop, and for the clergy. These 3 priests all have changed “for the clergy” to “FOR ALL THE HOLY PEOPLE”. This is NO mistake, too many priests doing it. I wonder if at my church the words in the Sacramentary book have been purposely changed. I will find out!

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 8:37 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Denise, 2:45M Unfortunately it sounds like they took up that collection so they could rent a bus to get even more confused about the Faith at the annual REC March 22-25! Have you written to Archbishop Gomez about this abomination of the Confirmation Rite. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:45 PM By Angelo
Cheryl, Don’t mumble the holy word, it means that God is one in essence, one in totaly complete, 3 but yet ONLY!!! ONE! ONE! ONE! 3 IN 1, 1 IN 3. CONSUBSTANTIALEM! This is not a “non-word”, rather it is a mystery beyond all humans, even liberals, believe it or not.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:51 PM By Angelo
FHKJ, Its the weekend, so I cannot express myself. I’ll have to wait for a different day soon. Everyone have a good weekend. Till next week!

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 10:33 PM By JLS
The novus ordo people are always restless; the EF people not. “Lord, my heart is restless, til it rest in Thee” (St Augustine, Doctor of the Church).

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 11:30 PM By MIKE
Cheryl 8:11PM. as you call it “nonsense” comes directly from Holy Scripture regarding “Lord I am not worthy to have you come under my roof ….” – Mt 8:8. And Jesus replied: “…not even in Israel have I found such faith.” I don’t know why you could not find the meaning of “consubstantial” on the internet – since it is all over the place, and states that Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity – going back to the Council of Nicea. Please do not purposely mumble at Mass since this will disturb others unfairly. “A Biblical Walk Through the Mass” understanding what we say and do in the Liturgy by Edward Sri may be helpful to all those who do not understand the Mass.

Posted Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:19 AM By Albert Cooper
The Norvo Ordo was forced on the laity following Vactican Two,as we had no option but to accept,or leave the church as many thousands did.the cry was obedience to the Pope,the Tridentine Mass was the every day ordinary there is a reaction to the modernists within the Roman Catholic ranks,those who want to change the church to meet “Modern” lifestyles,a big objejection is obedience to the Pope from them,as it was before

Posted Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:20 AM By PETE
JLS, your 10:33pm statement is false, you can only speak for the parishes that you personally attend, which is probably a very small minority in the USA. Why do you always try to put down your fellow Catholics? Our OF Mass is very Holy and respectful, but then as someone else stated, many in our Parish don’t put up with bad behavior or abuses. To FHJK allowing abuses of the Mass is not Charity. The Mass is one of the most important (about 1 hr) jobs a Priest has, and the least he can do is to get it right, expecially since he is supposed to read directly from the Roman Missal on the Altar. NO Priest has the auithority to make any changes to the Mass (except those expressly permitted). After talking to your Priest if abuses continue, report them to your Diocese Bishop. Note: our elderly Priests read just fine from the Roman Missal on the Altar.

Posted Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:04 AM By FHKJ
As a nearly 70 year old practicing Roman Catholic, I find the nostalgia for the TLM very interesting. As an Altar Boy in the 1950’s I still remember our parish priests rushing through the 6:30 a.m. Mass (ad orientatum, I might add) so that they could go have their breakfast. Of course, there was the priest who was an alcoholic who smelled of liquor and slurred his way throught the Mass. So much for the “good old days”!

Posted Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:12 PM By JLS
PETE, you begin by saying my view is false, but then you go on to prove my view. You should be in politics.

Posted Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:14 PM By JLS
Cheryl, why not simply attend the EF Mass where you won’t have to say anything much at all.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:34 AM By alert Cooper
Can you honestly say that the Roman Catholic Church has been improved by the changes since the Second Vactican Council,especialy in the U.S.A. [I am English},even in this thread there are many just saying nasty things to justify their Modernist views.Prior to V2 the Mass was the same all over the world,universal, and look at the state of things today!

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:25 AM By JonJ
Fr. Michael, I am curious how you think changing a few words will significantly increase vocations.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:59 AM By Angelo AVP
FHKJ, Dr. Alice Von Hilderbrand the widow of Dietrich Von Hilderbrand and a personal friend of Pope Benedict XVl, stated that those who were quick to accept any and all changes after Vatican Council ll, were those who had no faith to begin with. She has gone into detail as to why she holds this view. Its very interesting. Many believe she will one day be declared a Doctor of the Church.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:22 AM By MIKE
FHJK, the first poster is correct. ” SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM” which can be found on the Vatican web site states the following: “22.3. Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority.” Look under General Norms 22.3. So all abuses must be discussed with the Priest, and if this does not work with the Diocese Bishop, and if this does not work with the Vatican. We each have an obligation to insure the Holiness and Accuracy of the Liturgy whether it be the OF or EF Mass, rather than just complain to each other and the media.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:28 AM By MIKE
“Redemptionis Sacramentum” # “169. Whenever an abuse is committed in the celebration of the sacred Liturgy, it is to be seen as a real falsification of Catholic Liturgy. St Thomas wrote, “the vice of falsehood is perpetrated by anyone who offers worship to God on behalf of the Church in a manner contrary to that which is established by the Church with divine authority, and to which the Church is accustomed”. ‘

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:06 AM By MIKE
‘Redemptionis Sacramentum’ – ” [184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity. “

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:34 AM By Ann T.
Yes, “consubstantial” is a fine word. It means “one in being with the Father”. How many times have we said that in the older interpretation of the Mass? Just pronounce it syllable by syllable. You can find the pronunciation on line by just putting the word in your search engine or by going to a free on line dictionary. Even children can understand it if one bothers to explain it to them. If one does not understand a word the person can get a cheap dictionary and look it up or ask someone. Dictionaries can even be bought at second-hand stores. This word is not in all dictionaries, nonetheless. If one has a disability, such as poor eyesight, one can ask another person the meaning of a word. We are not stupid if we ask questions. Smart people ask questions. That is how they learn. No one knows all the words in any language.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:39 AM By MacDonald
@ FHKJ Sat. at 11:04 AM — your insights about the “good old days” are interesting. I have met former members of the Orthodox Church who became Catholics precisely because they got tired of long liturgies in a language they could not understand: so they joined our Church where Mass is in the vernacular, and they could benefit more from the grace of the Mass. Of course, ANY liturgy done poorly will drive the faithful nuts, so my hope is always that we can worship well and worthily. As you point out, the Tridentine Mass can get ruined, like any other Mass, if the priest and people are messing it up by lack of care and reverence.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:46 AM By Anne T.
A correction: “consubstantial” actually means just “one in being “. The words “with the father” are added in the text of the Mass after “consubstantial”.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:54 AM By Anne T.
Cheryl, if you put in the word “consubtantial” in your search bar, the Zenit website has an excellent explaination of the word by a Catholic priest. it is somewhat long and detailed but gives its history if you have time to read it all. You might find it interesting.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:10 AM By Anne T.
FHKJ, I think the writer and most of these people are saying, though not always in a charitable way, is that there is a time to act childlike and a time to act like an adult, and they do not think a few priests knows the difference between the two. As St. Paul said in the New Testament he acted like a child when younger but gave up childish ways when older. It is fine to be childish and silly while playing with one’s grandchildren but not at a Mass. Even children understand dignity that is on their own level.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:22 AM By Anne T.
By the way, FHKJ, I think most of us have gotten a little childish and silly at times when we should not have done so, but someone else usually corrects us, and most often rightly so.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:29 PM By Cody in Tucson
An addition to my 2/24 829pm post. I checked the Sacramentary book at Mass this morning and Eucharist Prayer II does say “for the clergy”. So the 3 priests I mentioned earlier by changing that phrase to “FOR ALL THE HOLY PEOPLE” are doing so purposefully. Are they doing this abuse on their own with no collaboration or something else?

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:42 PM By FHKJ
God is perfect! We humans are not! We can hold each other to high standards but we must realize that the Holy Spirit and Grace are present and operative…even when the Priest celebrating the Holy Mass makes a mistake, stumbles or fumbles. The good priest at my parish is from another country and he occassionally makes an error in pronunciation; however, he is still a holy man! God Bless us all!

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 10:38 AM By FrMichael
People of God, priests sometimes make mistakes. On occasion I find myself saying “everlasting” instead of “eternal,” brain-dumping and using the obsolete words to end the Mass instead of the new formulations, and the like. Please distinguish between occasional brain slips on one hand and repetitive errors or brand-new compositions by the priest. These latter should be brought to the attention first of the pastor, and then the bishop and Rome. BTW I am much impressed by the new English Missal, far superior to its predecessor, even if some of the daily propers are poorly translated. You can almost tell which prayers had competent translators and which did had hacks.

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 2:01 PM By Joseph
I am very thankful to report that my parish isn’t concerned with any of the dissent or abuses that are reported above. We haven’t had to worry about the consternation found and written in the above readings. Our Roman Catholic parish here in San Diego has remained steadfast in only saying the Tridentine Latin Mass and 7 Holy Sacraments for over 30 years.

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 4:28 PM By JLS
The word, “consubstantial”, does not convey its meaning unless you study what it is about. I recall a Jesuit trained professor at Catholic University spending lots of time on this concept. In fact the Council that defined it spent months or years on it. So, fussing over a word is a total waste of time … do the study. Read the history of it. Don’t rest until you can understand at least the philosophical explanation of it … or well ok then at least some catechetically correct one liner formulation of its meaning. If you can grasp the theology of this word, then you have accomplished something amazing.

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 5:19 PM By Bob One
Let’s all report everything to the Bishop and the Pope. Surely they are just waiting for us to report wayward priest who slip up on a word or two, or don’t bow down enough. The people who write those letters get very little attention, except for the most grievous offences. In any organization, church included, they are considered complainers and overly conservative, way out on the fringe. Except for the most awful types of things, the chancery just doesn’t have time for these reports, I would assume. If they responded to every complaint they wouldn’t get anything done.

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 8:09 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Bob One, 5:19 PM, What you say above is not what I was told by then Cardinal Ratzingers American Secretary as I sat with him at the Congregation for the Faith. I was told that we need to keep up the letters because they were building up a case for later action! Besides, we will not be judged on whether or not we succeeded, but on whether or not we tried. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:34 AM By Angelo AVP
Bob One, It is through the Conservative complainers that Rome knows what is happening in the Church on the local level, and is doing something about what people are rightfuly complaining about. There are those who would prefer we did’nt complain, if only to continue to run the Church their way. They call us “reactionaries”. We are succesfuly stopping their God forbidden “spirit of Vatican ll” gone awry party. In response to your last statement. When liberals complain about Traditional priests the Chancery has all the time in the world to respond over and beyond the call of duty, but when its the other way around then the Chancery is always too busy. Can you tell us why this is so?

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:03 AM By MAC
Abuses of the Tridentine Mass must be reported as well. First to the Priest and if that does not work to the Bishop and on up. “SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM” which can be found on the Vatican web site states the following: “22.3. Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority.” General Norms 22.3. We each have an obligation to insure the Holiness and Accuracy of the Liturgy whether it be the OF or EF Mass, rather than just complain to each other and the media.

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:57 AM By Canisius
Hey Bob One, since when is not bowing down towards Our Divine Saviour in the Blessed Sacrement consider OK by you and your liberal cadres. It is this attitude of irreverence that has caused so much loss of our Catholic Identity. I will keep complaining until every last liberal is driven from the Church, hopefully that will include you….CRUSH LIBERALISM

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:40 PM By Angelo AVP
MAC, Could you point out abuses in the Tridentine Mass? The only abuse we know of is that we were lied to for years that it was abolished. What discipline would you suggest for all those who misled us. Excommunication?! Perhaps we need to return to an ancient form of the Inquisition. MAC, are you by chance complaining about those who complain.

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:19 PM By JLS
Bob One, ask yourself if your self identity is part of an organization, or as a unique individual person. I know what your honest answer is even if you do not. Let me recommend that you read the works by Bl John Paul II on the person … pretty much his entire life of Catholic philosophy, however there are about a dozen more or less key works, none of which are all that lengthy. Instead of fancying yourself as a member of some man made thing, try to understand that the Holy Eucharist taken in a state of grace is the only thing that will develop the potential of your unique individual personality (not talking character here, Bob One; do the study to gain the insight and the blessing).

Posted Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:46 AM By Canisius
@JLS, excellent question my friend, but people like Bob One cannot stand authentic Catholic identity, it is this reason that we have been stripped of it from the NO Mass to God ugly modern parishes. Their entire idea of being Catholic is not to offend “the other” for fear of triumphalism. There is also a large amount of self hating for perceived injustices committed by the Church in the past, this derives from liberalism itself. They would gladly see western culture and the Church which it is anchored to be swept away if it made them feel better about themselves. In the end they are not really comfortable being Catholic so they must invent their own counterfeit “catholic” identities.

Posted Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:11 AM By ssoldie
For the last 40+ years, we have deserved the ‘shepherds’ we have and have had

Posted Sunday, March 04, 2012 1:21 AM By Angelo AVP
Canisius, “Their entire Idea of being Catholic is not to offend “the other”. I have observed liberals for years and they give only lip service to not offending “the other”. All their love and compassion is a facade. They treat one like a friend to their face, but once one turns they plunge the dagger. They will destroy anyone who gets in their way and with a friendly smile at that. I have found their favorite weapon is calumny when they decide to destroy someone. They poison the minds of others by making anything traditional seem like a mortal sin. There is one they have not been able to fool and thats Pope Benedict XVl, who knows them only too well. The Holy Father is puting the wrecking ball to all their trickery.

Posted Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:15 PM By Canisius
@Angelo, you are so right, on all points,,may the Holy Father have many years to reign and may his successor finish what Pope Benedict has started.