….In 2020, both papal biographer Austen Ivereigh and Jesuit Father James Martin used December 28 to tweet about — immigration. I’ve attacked this attempt to shift the meaning of this day: the Church’s vestments are red because the children bled and were dead, not because the Holy Family fled.
I’ve attacked this attempt to shift the meaning of this day to immigration debates: the Church’s vestments are red because the children bled and were dead, not because the Holy Family fled.
There’s always been a certain quarter in the Church, especially in the United States, that’s blanched at calling murder murder. Abortion has always been the one issue that was a burr in their political saddles, stymieing efforts to make common cause with the political Left. Finessing that problem has, therefore, always been important to that quarter.
Sometimes it happens by piling together all sorts of “life issues” on top of each other, so that the practical result is that the killing of the unborn gets buried amidst immigration reform and other things. Perhaps some are motivated by a purely religious “consistent ethic of life,” but I admit (a.) the leveling effect of the seamy garment of life never convinced me of its value and (b.) I have always had a suspicion that there were other incentives admixed in the professed ethical motives of its proponents.
In tandem with this is usually the effort to downplay, if not deny, that abortion is the “preeminent” life issue of our times. We have at least one American cardinal and no small plurality of the American hierarchy claiming that. For men who otherwise claim fidelity to the Second Vatican Council, its optic of looking at the “signs of the times” seems sorely lacking in their apertures, because — with the Guttmacher Institute asserting there are 73 million abortions worldwide per annum, no small part of which take place in relatively affluent lands that have long been evangelized by the Christian Gospel — one can hardly deny that global killing of the unborn today rivals if not exceeds in reach what slavery once was.
Post-Dobbs, I fear there will be efforts from some of these quarters to “move on” from our “narrow” pro-life focus to “expand our horizons.” No doubt, Pope Francis will be invoked, particularly his concerns about migration and refugees.
Don’t take that bait. The blood of 73 million lives each year cry worldwide to Heaven for vengeance. What we remember on December 28 is the death of male boys in Bethlehem because they were babies and they were boys and because among them their might have been a threat to the powers that be, so they were all inconvenient.
That antilife mentality did not end on Herod’s own deathbed; it is alive and well and propagated in no small segment of culture-forming opinion today. While every society has killed, it was the “achievement” of the 20th century that various societies began treating murder—of the unborn, the elderly, the ill, unwanted minorities—as public policy and deemed it “good.”
The fact that, the straitjacket of Roe having been removed, American voters in California, Michigan, and Vermont, on November 8, freely chose — for the first time in U.S. history — to write abortion into law as a Constitutional right indicates Dobbs is hardly the end of this fight. Indeed, we can probably adapt Churchill in recognizing, “this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
On December 28, we should not lose sight of that perspective by substituting other causes. We can pray we are at “the end of the beginning” and keep our eyes firmly fixed — where it matters most, in Church, on our knees — on where we still have to go.
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James Martin won’t answer a simple question, “Are you gay?”
“I’ve been ordered by my religious superior to not answer that question.”
“Rev. Martin, do you believe that sex outside of one man-one woman marriage is sinful?”
“Is abortion the taking of an innocent human life?”
Did his superior order him not to answer those questions as well?
He Tweets a lot and does he need his boss’s approval everytime he publicly makes some statement?
I think not.
Why is it any of your business what Father Martin’s sexual orientation is? And what difference does it make?
Because it’s clear that James Martin has a one-track mind of dissenting from Catholic doctrine, and it’s probable that he’s motivated by personal reasons to normalize gay sex in the Church. If he’s gay (probably), then it even more clearly discredits his efforts.
You do not know much about him if you think he has a one track mind or that he dissents from Catholic doctrine.
I am not a fan of his but you do not need to lie about him.
There are real concerns with his ministry to LGBTQ and you take away from that with your lies.
Father Martin haas written one book about LGBT issues and many more books and articles, including some since his gay book. So no he doesn’t have a one track kind. When Frank Pavone, who clearly does have a one track mind about abortion, you don’t ask whether he’s ever procured one.
You need to follow his Twitter feed or follow his speaking engagements. A lot has changed about James Martin since his “Between Heaven and Mirth” days. Now it’s all gay all the time, and he’s strategically coy, yet at the same time implicitly clear, about what he believes concerning Catholic doctrine. Funny you should mention Frank Pavone. I agreed with Frank Pavone being laicized, and I think James Martin should be defrocked too.
I follow Father Martin on Facebook, but I’m not much of a twitter follower of anyone. He happened to be speaking across the street from my hotel a few years ago when I was in NYC and his book had just came out, so I’ve heard him speak and actually met him. I sometimes “attend” his Friday reflections on that week’s Gospel reading. In it, at least in the first edition, he did admonish gay people to listen to the teachings of the Church with regard to sexual activity. I know that because unlike the vast majority of people who want him defrocked or think he somehow speaks against the teachings of the Church, I actually did read his book. And it is just not true that all he talks about is LGBT stuff. He has an excellent recent book on prayer. I’ve seen parts of his new book on Lazarus. Where he gets close to the edge is when he says that gay people ought to be given certain civil rights – to economic equality and the rights to jobs etc…but even that the Church is farther to the “left” than most people realize. But none of this grants you the right to demand that he discuss his sexual orientation in public, and if he did, you all would be the first to complain that he should keep private matters private.
This article is about how he tweeted about immigration.
Of the first 50 tweets on his twitter page, 6 were about LGBTQ. There is a lot about Pope Benedict, Catholic news service and migration. None of those support sin.
Can’t let that one go….Fr. Martin – advocate for progressive ‘LGBT….” agenda. Frank Pavone – opponent of abortion on demand.
Logically speaking, it is not unreasonable to suspect the advocate to take part in what he advocates and the opponent not to take part in what he opposes.
The words ‘advocate’ and ‘oppose’ themselves give direction on the question that would logically follow…
But the progressive gender/race ideology that is violently being imposed on the country has no basis whatsoever in reason, science and logic.
It’s basis is in ignoring contradictory statements and concepts and thus must be sustained by violence and threats of violence and intimidation from school boards all the way up to the Executive Branch of the United States.
Did Frank Pavone ever procure an abortion, indeed! If he did, he manifestly repented of it. Now back to the matter of Fr. Martin….
Only YFC thinks being a sodomite doesn’t make a difference. You and your ilk are constantly pushing your gay filth. The day sodomite Martin is driven out of the Church will be a great day…
What the…?
I would be very surprised if Frank Pavone ever procured an abortion.
Because he is the one who isn’t satisfied with people identifying simply as Catholic. He pushes the L, G, B, T, Q etc. monikers. If monikers don’t matter, why is he pushing them? If they do matter, why won’t he share his? I’m a Catholic, no moniker needed in front of that.
Mister or Ms. No Comment: Exactly where does he push LGBTQ monikers? I must have missed that somewhere. Or are you just making things up because it supports your agenda?
The most unaware person to ever post on this site…Truth is our agenda, sodomy is Jimmy Martin’s
He did support using the word gay instead of homosexual persons.
Luke 18:18
“Good Master, what must I do to be saved?”
James Martin 18:18
“My superior(s) ordered me NOT to answer that question.”
James Martin tried to make the feast of the Holy Innocents about LGBT innocents being abused by the Church. He makes everything about LGBT. LGBT is his religion.
The Holy Innocents are martyrs because they died in place of Jesus and because of Jesus.
They were ordered killed by King Herod.
They were Jewish children, unbaptized. They are saints.
This day is not about abortion or immigration.
It is about salvation.
I think I read something about that in the abridged version of The Mystical City of God.
There is some connection, since both the Holy Innocents and babies killed by abortion share untimely intentional deaths before they could be baptized.
And, generally, to be a martyr, in the usual sense, one needs to be able to choose death rather than deny Christ.
The aborted babies are innocent of any actual sin. As most were not baptized, they had original sin and should have been baptized; nevertheless, there is no evidence that all the Jewish boy infants were circumcised on the eighth day before they were murdered. Baptism took the place of circumcision, I would say there is a correlation between the innocence of the two. Just my thoughts.
All the righteous who died before Christ went to Heaven after His death. This would include the Holy Innocents but the Holy Innocents are martyrs because they died because of Christ and instead of Christ.
James Martin perfectly represents and exemplifies the Jesuits and the post-Vatican II church.
As I said before, not all Jesuits are bad, I have learned a lot from some of the good ones, but the faithful ones have received very poor treatment from the dissident ones.
If Fr. Martin said in his sermons and books that fornication, adultery and sodomy were mortal sins that needed to be confessed with a change of lifestyle, and that marriage was between one man and one woman, no faithful Catholic should be complaining. But he does not. I would not even bother to ask him if he were gay as it is obvious that he thinks “Vice is Nice” and thinks no one need to change for the better by stop doing those things. He should not be a priest. No one should go to such a man for advice.
“No one should go to such a man for advice.”
Agreed !!!
But he IS a good Ad for Vice.
There are different ways to love and sometimes people don’t love well. But, you do not need to lie about him.
Deal with reality.
Don’t exaggerate people’s faults.
Say you want to invite a cohabitating couple over for dinner and to talk about their situation. You invite them to dinner. You don’t say “If you stop cohabitating, you can come to dinner.”
I assume they are not having illicit sex in your home while visiting you. If they are not, you are right, but if you do allow it in your home, you are cooperating in their sinful behavior. I realize it is often hard to decide what is the best thing to do in certain situations. I have made mistakes in the past but learned from them and tried to rectify them. In fact, one couple got lawfully married in the Church after one comment I made while they were visiting me. Not a rude one but effective.
BTW, I was assuming you were talking about a man and woman couple, not two men or two women. The Church can never “marry” two people of the same sex. It would be an abomination. I might invite them to dinner one time, but if they do not repent, I would not have them back as a twosome. That is only pertaining to a couple who have made it clear that they are sexual involved not just roommates.
IT will be a great day for the Church when Jesuits are suppressed.
Already been done.