The following comes from an August 14 Wall Street Journal article by Lindsey Ellis:
June’s Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage is sending some couples to court for a very different reason: same-sex divorce.
Marie Griffin, who lives in Savannah, Georgia, moved out of the home she shared with her wife in late May. But the couple, who married in 2014 in Washington, D.C., couldn’t legally end their marriage, because Georgia didn’t permit either same-sex marriage or divorce.
On the day of the June 26 Supreme Court ruling that all states must recognize same-sex marriages, she said that she recalled thinking, “We have to, and we can, get a divorce now.” She contacted a lawyer and is pursuing a divorce.
Her wife, Sandy Rogers, didn’t return requests for comment. Ms. Rogers’ attorney, Martin G. Hilliard, said his client and Ms. Griffin were in a “legal hinterland” when they separated before the ruling. The ability to divorce lifts a “huge burden.”
Couples in states like Georgia are lining up both to wed and divorce in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling, according to attorneys, some of whom are reaching out to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender communities for business.
Some say they have clients who have been waiting for years to divorce. Even some counties that initially refused to issue marriage licenses following the Supreme Court ruling say they are allowing same-sex divorces.
Before the ruling, same-sex couples who wanted to separate in states that didn’t recognize same-sex marriage or divorce often had to wade through multiple lawsuits to divide property, determine custody of children, and settle other matters, said Christie Ayotte Baer, Ms. Griffin’s attorney. Even then, a client would have still legally been married in any of the 37 states, and the District of Columbia, that recognized the union.
Yet returning to the state where a same-sex couple married was often impossible because many states require periods of residency of several months or a year before a couple can divorce.
Now, Ms. Baer said, same-sex divorces are similar to those of divorces between different-sex couples. A same-sex partner may even now qualify for alimony, she said.
And this is news? Not being a lawyer, I would expect the Court’s decision would affect many things, including medical decision making, filing joint state income tax returns, etc. The 750 character limit does not permit an exhaustive list.
And the point of the article?
LGBT Lobby to Schools: Stop Using “Boy” and “Girl”
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If you thought gay marriage was the LGBT endpoint, think again. The ink isn’t dry on the Supreme Court’s ruling, and the gay agenda has already moved on to the next battle. Hey, they convinced the country that marriage had been incorrectly defined for thousands of years. After that, the sky’s the limit, right?
Next on the LGBT mission statement, of course, is a complete overhaul of the way we see gender… not only must we accept all of these colors of the gender rainbow, we must eliminate any policies or practices that might make anyone not “cis” feel uncomfortable.
And where do you start with such an…
Hardly anybody on this site believed the marriages were real in the first place, so what’s the big deal if they dissolve it? Make up your minds, people!
The real question will come when a bisexual person gets a divorce then tries to marry someone in the Church. That’s gonna be the story to write about!
If a Catholic marries in a civil marriage it is necessary to divorce or to have the marriage convalidated. So since a same sex civil marriage cannot be convalidated, divorce would be necessary.
Well, thanks for your POV. Let’s see how it plays out when it really comes to pass.
BTW what does “convalidated” mean?
Catholics who exchange marriage vows in the presence of only ministers from other religious traditions or authorized civic officials are not considered validly married in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
Later, those couples may seek to have their union officially recognized by the Church. In technical Church terms, this is known as convalidation of a marriage.
So to be clear…the ordinary ministers of the sacrament are actually the couple themselves, right?. So why is any such “convalidation” necessary, when there is another baptisided Christian present to verify that the marriage took place? Priests are NOT the minister of the Sacrament, so why do they even need to be present?
Can. 1108 §1. Only those marriages are valid which are contracted before the local ordinary, pastor, or a priest or deacon delegated by either of them, who assist, and before two witnesses…
Convalidation. In Roman Catholic canon law, the making of a putative marriage valid following the removal of some impediment. A ceremony in which a marriage, such as a civil marriage, is made recognized by the church.
But not if one or both of the parties was baptized in the Catholic Church or in the Eastern or Oriental Orthodox Churches.
I’m confused.
So in the Catholic church, you cannot get married if you were married before but the marriage is not valid anyway, and only if you were baptized in the catholic church not baptized in an episcopal church and then converted as an adult? And what about SSPX?
Gosh, now I know why Ann Malley is so confused about the catholic faith!
You can get married in the Catholic Church if your previous marriage was not a valid marriage. If you were married before baptism, or married in a civil marriage, or if married in another faith without permission of the Church. Sometimes, you need to go through an process to have the marriage declared null by the Church, which means in the eyes of the Church it was not a valid marriage. If you converted to Catholicism as an adult from another Christian denomination and you and your wife were both baptized, your marriage is valid. SSPX marriages are not valid and need to be convalidated.
Gosh, YFC, I can see again how it is that your story of being educated as a Catholic is wholly false. Another fruit of Vatican II it would seem and the new springtime. A new springtime that doesn’t usher in summer, but rather perpetuates winter under the guise of blossoms that do nothing but fall off, barren and lackluster.
No wonder you have such a difficult time in discussing the actual Catholic Faith with me. You don’t have it.
But as usual, your providing the perfect demonstration of everything those who love the Catholic Faith have been trying to say here. Thank you. And I pray you find a solid priest to educate you.
As to marriages within the SSPX, Anonymous, you may want to look to how things are actually put into practice at the diocesan level. Not quite what you posted. That’s why there NEEDS to be clarity all the way around – that is the Catholic Church behaving in a Catholic manner, consistently, and in accordance with doctrine.
Ann Malley, so your diocese accepts SSPX marriages?
Here is Father Z:
https://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/quaeritur-validity-of-sspx-marriage/
Anonymous, much as you may be shocked by this, Fr. Z doesn’t rule the universe or the Catholic Church. The reality on the ground of what you hear and what ‘is’ are often very different things.
That is why your hounding protestations of what can and cannot be are not credible. God bless you just the same.
That’s the most honest thing you’ve shared yfc. By the way, to which yfc am I directing this to… The Catholic convert who teaches biology? …the erstwhile cradle Catholic who attended Catholic schools? …wasn’t one an engineer? Anyway, that you’re one very confused poster is redundant. I’ll make it easy for you to grasp…men are not, never were and never will be married to each other in the eyes of God. Lawyers have found a way to capitalize on your delusion by finding a way for you to ‘divorce.’ It’s a cruel hoax and I feel sincere regret to see people mocked and taken advantage of in such a cynical way. Too many lawyers are unconscionable money-grubbing scoundrels.
..can’t help but agree with you 100%, Dana. If there were no $$$$ involved, the whole ‘marriage equality’ party would have never gotten started. So sad. People using other people, and especially the vulnerable and grievously afflicted is repellent.
“same-sex divorces are similar to those of divorces between different-sex couples…”
Wait a minute…! I know what they mean by “different-sex” but it annoys me very much for some reason.
Perhaps because the appropriate term is “married couples”
Homosexual (sodomy) civil marriages only makes them a couple in the eyes of the government.
The government also approves abortion and contraception.
Just because the secular government says something is legal, does not mean it is not a MORTAL SIN. Mortal Sins send Souls to Hell for eternity.
SACRED SCRIPTURE: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10;
1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
DOCTRINE of the FAITH: CCC – # 2357, 2358, 2359, 2396.
Fortunately, Scripture says nothing about same sex civil marriage, and you don’t possess the keys to the kingdom.
You Baptist?
Same sex Civil Marriage is simply legalized Sodomy.
The Bible clearly covers Sodomy, and condemnation for practicing it.
Paul, , you’ve got some facts wrong. What you called “sodomy” was legalized by the Supreme Court in 2003, in Lawrence v Texas, 12 years to the day before it legalized civil marriage for same sex couples.
Sacred Scripture on Sodomy (homosexual acts) – Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10;
1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
It would not be politically correct in this day and age to say that which comes to mind most naturally, which is, of course, “normal couples.”
Hordes of modern day Americans have been trained by college professors to shout out, “Define your terms! What does ‘normal’ mean in this context?”
For millions of people, what comes to mind most naturally is actually NOT what you would call “normal couples”.
Is “what comes to mind most naturally” your definition of morality? or natural law? If so, then you should support civil marriage between any two couples. If not, then you need to explain yourself. Do Family Research Council employees ask themselves “what comes to mind most naturally” when they go online?
If you want accurate information on “Natural Law” go to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition” (aka CCC; dark green cover in USA).
If you want accurate information on MORTAL SINS – homosexual acts, adultery, fornication, contraception, or pornography go the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition”.
If you want accurate information on Mortal Sin, Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell go to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition).
The Deliberate and Well Planned Legal Attack on Marriage has always included the intent to use Divorce / Custody Law – to export / import the entire GILBERT political agenda in to the very fabric of the society (including States where the ‘marriage’ was not legal to start with) – using the Courts and ‘test cases’ to force the unwilling to accept the unbelievable or risk being called Politically Un-Good, with all the attendant penalties for that long.
These Divorce Cases will present opportunity to Set Precedents beyond the original jurisdiction, that other Judges can only avoid at the peril of having their own rulings challenged on Appeal.
Hence – it is all part of the same framework of legal scams being mapped out and…
Michael, you’re so high-minded…especially for a lawyer. Always follow the money.
Who’s going to profit from all this? It certainly won’t be the unfortunate couples involved. I have a lesbian niece who lost her house and possessions in a nasty split with her girlfriend who didn’t get much either. GUESS WHO DID?
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