The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday left intact California’s ban on “gay conversion” therapy aimed at turning youths under age 18 away from homosexuality, rejecting a Christian minister’s challenge to the law asserting it violates religious rights.
The justices, turning away a challenge to the 2012 law for the second time in three years, let stand a lower court’s ruling that it was constitutional and neither impinged upon free exercise of religion nor impacted the activities of clergy members.
The law prohibits state-licensed mental health counselors, including psychologists and social workers, from offering therapy to change sexual orientation in minors. The Supreme Court in 2014 refused to review the law after an appeals court rejected claims that the ban infringed on free speech rights under U.S. Constitution’s the First Amendment.
Lead plaintiff Donald Welch, an ordained minister and licensed family therapist, oversees counseling at Skyline Wesleyan Church.
Welch, along with a Catholic psychiatrist and a man who underwent conversion therapy and now aspires to perform it on others, sued the state claiming the law is unconstitutional.
Full story at KFGO.
Wow: mental health professionals being prohibited by the state from attempting to cure a mental disorder.
But the same state permits babies to be murdered in the womb, doesn’t require parental notification nor permission for teens to get an abortion, and requires that all health insurance policies pay for the murder.
California is slipping further and further into lunacy and evil.
Dear Sawyer:
Being gay is not a mental disorder.
Thanks
YFC
Yes it is. You’re welcome.
Says no body tasked with licensing therapists in the US.
Being gay is not a mental disorder.
And besides that, even the Catholic Church doesn’t teach that being gay is a mental disorder.
Happy to see you again,
YFC
The number of “licensed” somebodies cannot change the reality that homosexual sex is a disordered inclination for the human species.
YES, it is. And it does not matter how much one wants it to be. It is intrinsically evil. READ THE SCRIPTURES and not with your opinion in mind or the propaganda this LGBTQ agenda leads souls away from God. May God have mercy upon us!
Sawyer… My family doesn’t think I have a mental disorder. My pastor doesn’t think I have a mental disorder. My friends don’t think I have a mental disorder, my clients don’t think I have a mental disorder, my doctor doesn’t think I have a mental disorder (except for mild situational anxiety when ever I cater a really big event)
So what makes you think I have a mental disorder?
You have a deep-seated desire for something that isn’t good for you, that doesn’t promote your well-being or perfection as a woman, that is in fact contrary to the fulfillment of female nature.
It doesn’t matter how many confused, cowardly or misguided people you line up who agree with you. There are many people in America today who have been brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is acceptable, normal and good. It is unacceptable, aberrant and harmful.
Homosexuality is like a compass that points West instead of North. It’s disordered because it’s not pointing in the proper direction. Homosexuality points a person in the wrong direction for sexual relationships.
So Sawyer ..I’m on a plane and see the stewardess coming down the asile, my heart rate jumps and I think “She’s beautiful” The married striaght guy the next seat over has the same reaction. We put it out of our minds and continue the flight. Any difference morally between hime and me?
No difference in the act in that instance; no sin.
But his sexual compass is working correctly; yours isn’t. His sexual compass isn’t a proclivity to sin: he desires what complements his male nature and that is objectively ordered and good. Your compass is a proclivity to sin: you desire what does not complement your female nature and that is objectively disordered and not good.
A proclivity to sin is not itself sinful; only acts can be sinful. Nevertheless, homosexuality is a proclivity to sin whereas normal sexual desire is not.
This is the state that voted for Hillary. It needs another Bob Dornan to steer it back on track. Political correctness must be the prevailing religion,having replaced Roman Catholicism.
Sawyer California fell into lunacy and evil a long time ago. Those that are pushing this radical agenda are trying so hard to normalize this behavior in the eyes of modern civilization that they would rather keep pushing the lie than cure someone who suffers from this condition. Shame on California and those promoting the culture of death. Woe to those that call evil good and good evil. The Lord will not be mocked for too much longer. Convert and Repent and seek God’s love and mercy before it’s too late! Pray America Pray.
There are, what, five justices who are Catholic out of the nine?
I think 4. Scalia was/is Catholic but his replacement is the only Protestant. In fact,Justice Gorsuch was raised Catholic but left the Church behind and has essentially a first generation Protestant Heretic.
The rest are either Catholic or Jewish, at least by my (possibly incorrect) recollection. And almost all Harvard or Yale graduates.
Sorry Bob One, I was wrong when I said there are 4 catholic justices. There are 5, even not counting the new heretical guy ;)
Well of course this was a ridiculous lawsuit!. There is no proven ability to turn people under the age of 18, or for that matter over the age of 18, away from being LGBT. Those therapies just don’t work. In fact, they turn their underage victims towards suicidality and homelessness. That is what the facts show!
No, “YFC”, the facts show that compared to heterosexuals, those involved in homosexual lifestyles have much higher incidents of alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence, loneliness, sexually transmitted diseases, health issues, suicide attempts, and early death. Any parent would want to do all in their power to keep their minor child from a lifestyle that produces such sorrow. There is nothing happy (“gay”) about such facts.
Kristin, you didn’t respond to my comment but you offerred your own spin.
There is no proven ability to turn LGBT people “straight”. that is why the supposed therapy has been banned for minors who are often unable to judge the efficacy of the “treatment” for themselves given parental and societal pressure.
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About increased incidents of alcoholism, drug abuse….this is actually true. They are commonly known coping mechanisms for people who are ostracized. So if you want to help gay people not use drugs: STOP OSTRACIZING!
“YFC”, recently deceased Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, founder of NARTH would disagree. His work with those with unwanted same sex attraction led many away from the homosexual lifestyle. Read about it yourself on his website.
Many people feel ostracized yet do not turn to self destruction. It’s more than a passing coincidence that homosexual lifestyles include lots of examples. Sad, but more importantly, changeable!
Nicolosi was a con man who promised cures he couldn’t deliver. The best he was ever able to do was to provide support to people who wanted simply to remain celibate. We have many many cases of his clients who actually suffered great harm on his couch.
“YFC”, you disparage those most willing to help homosexuals. That attitude of “nothing is wrong, and even if there was, no one can help us” will not well serve same sex attracted people. It is a lack of faith applied to a wound needing healing. How long will you cling to your sin?
The anger of God will become more and more evident and catastrophic!!
Another example of science theory taking precedence over science facts, the left are always promoting evil
Mental disorders are what psychiatrists decide they are. Spiritual disorders are what God decides. Homosexual iniquity is a TENDENCY toward a moral disorder, but does not incur guilt of sin. Faithful priests will guide those with any kind of sexual iniquity toward chastity.
Fr. Richard … How is homosexual iniquity different from just being gay? I find other women attractive. Does a woman who is attracted to men have hetrosexual iniquity? Is there such a thing as hetrosexual iniquity or do only gay people hac\ve a sexual iniquity? What I object to in a lot of the posts here is that posters refuse to go along with the teachings of the Church that we gay people are judged by God and ourselves on outr thoughts, words and deeds, not the mere state of our sexuality.
Various homosexuals who post to this website like to twist sin into something positive. Many of us who respond do so in order that your misrepresentations are not left unanswered. In Church-speak, it is akin to apologetics.
The reason this law was not ruled unconstitutional is because it doesn’t target religion. It prohibits licensed counselors from treating homosexuality in minors. It does not prohibit clergy from offering advice about turning away from disordered and destructive homosexual inclinations. Therefore, it was not considered by courts to infringe on freedom of religion. The law is still foolish because it treats a disorder as normal, but a state is permitted to establish its own licensing norms. Licensed counselors may still attempt to treat adults suffering from homosexuality, it would seem.
coming 2018: mandatory heterosexuality conversion therapy. zero tolerance on this issue will be established. raids on heterosexual bars will round up those who furtively try to cling to an underground lifestyle. fines will be imposed on those who order wedding cakes with once common bride-groom imagery, bakers will be fined for allowing ‘hate cakes’ depicting former stereotypes of normalcy. hollywood will embrace an expensive project similar to the colorization of black and white movies, replacing all gender-opposite romance pairings with same gender couples.blacklisted directos and performers will see their stars removed from hollywood sidewalks and movie…
history books.
Good article for Catholics about homosexuality being a disorder:
https://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/is-homosexuality-a-psychological-disorder
” A Catholic is quite right to view a persistent same-sex attraction as being associated with some form of psychological disorder.”
“Homosexuality is in the mind of the Church a form of pathology, spiritually and psychologically. Our authentically Catholic anthropology makes this self-evident.”
“The authentically Catholic understanding that underlies psychological counseling for same-sex attraction is simpler: chastity.”
Good article, Jim. The woman quoted in this article puts out misinformation. The deacon corrects it.
I don’t know if this kind of discrimination will ever be illegal, but to me from a Catholic point of view, it was very, very wrong
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/02/they-lived-as-a-gay-couple-in-mississippi-for-20-years-the-worst-indignity-came-in-death-lawsuit-says/?tid=sm_Fb&utm_term=.eae5f577c0cd
Thank God, that at the height of the AIDS epidemic,pastors, Catholic funeral homes and cemeteries treated the remains of dead as well as their loved ones with compassion and care.
The facts of the case are admitted to be in dispute.
The case could be similar to florists declining to provide services for pretend same-sex weddings. They have the right to refuse service if such service would violate their religious faith as well as a right to uphold normalcy in sexual relations. A funeral home that is asked to provide services for a same-sex couple would be put in a position of having to affirm the same-sex relationship (referring to the deceased male as the living man’s husband or spouse), which it might not want to do and has the right to decline.
Treating unequals unequally isn’t always wrong. Unjust discrimination is wrong; just discrimination is not.
YFC yes it is always has been and always will be…