Name of Church St. Peter Chanel
Address 12001 E. 214th Street, Hawaiian Gardens CA 90716
Phone number 562-924-7591
Website www.spcomv.com
Mass times Saturday vigil, 6 p.m. Sunday, 6:30 a.m. (Spanish), 8 a.m., 10 a.m. (Spanish), noon, 2 p.m. (Spanish), 4 p.m. (Spanish), 6 p.m. & 8 p.m. (Spanish) Monday – Friday, 6 a.m., 8 a.m., noon, 6:30 p.m. (both English and another Spanish Mass in the old church). Saturday, 8 a.m. Holy days: same as weekday schedule.
Confessions Following the practice of the community’s founder, Venerable Bruno Lanteri (1759-1830), the Oblates of the Virgin Mary have the desire to make the mercy of God available through the sacrament of Confession. Hence, you will often find an Oblate in the confessional at the parish Monday – Friday during Masses, Saturdays, 5 – 8:30 p.m. or by appointment.
Names of priests Father Larry Darnell, pastor. Father Edward Broom, Father Craig MacMahon, Father Dave Yankauskas, associate pastors. Father Vincenzo Antolini, priest in residence. All priests are Oblates of the Virgin Mary (www.omvusa.org), a community founded by Bruno Lanteri in Italy in 1826. There are about 200 Oblates worldwide today, engaged in such apostolates as teaching, offering parish missions and retreats and spiritual support of diocesan clergy. The Oblates, including those at St. Peter Chanel, are known for their orthodoxy and fidelity to the Holy Father and teaching authority of the Church. Father Broom regularly writes blog posts in English and Spanish, and posts YouTube videos and podcasts, particularly relating to the Spiritual Exercises. To hear him, visit the parish website and click on the Spiritual Works and Father Ed Broom tabs.
School No, but there are many classes offered through the parish on a variety of topics, particularly spirituality.
Special parish groups Jovenes para Cristo, Saturdays at 6:30 p.m.; youth and young adult ministries; food program; pro-life ministry; natural family planning classes.
Devotional activities Daily Eucharistic adoration, 6:30 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. (except during Masses) and all night Friday and Saturday; rosary and chaplet after Masses; the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola are regularly offered; quarterly retreats (register on parish website).
Liturgy Reverent. You’ll see many altar boys at Sunday Masses.
Fellow parishioners The church is located in a poor Hispanic community, not far from Long Beach, in the archdiocese of Los Angeles. The community is a mix of Anglos, Hispanics and Filipinos. Many drive in from outside the parish boundaries due to its orthodoxy.
Parking It has a busy lot on Sundays, and finding parking can be a challenge. You can park on the street, too.
Acoustics Good sound system.
Cry room Yes, the entry of the church is separated from the body of the church by glass and has ample seating for families with small children.
Additional observations St. Peter Chanel Church is named for a French martyr who was killed in the New Hebrides islands near New Zealand in 1841. It has been staffed by the Oblates since the 1980s. It is a haven in the area for faithful Catholics. The priests emphasize spirituality, obedience to the Commandments and the Church. The priests won’t be shy about telling you to stop looking at pornography, for example, or if you’re “living in sin,” that you should get married or separate from your partner. If you’re observing the commandments, they’ll encourage you to do better, perhaps by attending daily Mass, praying the rosary daily or making a total consecration to Mary according to the method of St. Louis de Montfort. They all wear the cassock.
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Rest in Peace
Father Joseph M. Scerbo, S.A.
February 14, 1944 – March 19, 2015
Father Scerbo said the Tridentine Mass at St. Pascal Baylon in Thousand Oaks. He was a Franciscan who became more conservative in his later years.
Well, perhaps faithful to Francis and Cardinals Dolan, Wuerl, Maradiaga, and Abp. Cupich, (and others) but . . ?
Spanish this, and Spanish that — Why? Spanish is the not the official language of the Church, Latin is.
The polyglot mix of mass languages is producing, more and more, a true babel of a religion. Not only is the craziness of multiple languages everywhere (where once you could go into any Catholic Church anywhere and assist at the same Mass, said in the same tongue), but even in the same language the Mass might be different.
Too many options in the N.O., and even those options are changed within various dioceses. Some do not say the Nicene Creed, or even the Apostles Creed, at least not those contained in the Missals. Many pastors approve sex-neutral language, which is not at all approved in the Church (but then, many Missals use scriptural translations that do all they can to eliminate the word “man”, using instead “human kind” (which was never used in prior translations).
Sorry, when the Catholic Church decides to have Masses for Spanish people, then what about NFL people, or Major League Baseball people, or the people that find God on the golf course. This is foolishness (although certainly the Catholic institutional Church wants to keep Hispanics happy as they swell the ranks of Catholicism through immigration and a much higher birth rate than is the norm).
Yes St. Christopher, far better if I go around and neurotically promote the Latin Mass with my blogs, YouTube videos, “Traditionalists” conferences, etc.. I may neglect the other parts of my life, and do something phenomenally imprudent, like get involved with a very immature relationship with a woman, fornicate with her and get her pregnant, but at least I was promoting the Latin Mass-criticizing the ones that don’t follow just the right rubrics and insulting the mass in the Ordinary Form. I shall earn such a high place in heaven indeed!!!
Thank you Klaus. Its interesting you happen to mention what you did. Just a few weeks ago a close friend of mine confided in us, she is having to deal with what you mentioned. Her husband is a porn addict. She and her are having to deal with that humiliation of infidelity and betrayal. Her latin mass pastor seemed to not help this family address that issue. Instead they sympathized with him and criticized her reaction to the situation. She was so disappointed, she thought she would receive support from her traditional parish but instead she found more helpful resources from a nearby OF parish and from a non-Catholic Christian source. Please pray for her.
“Please pray for her” = We certainly will Abeca! We would never want this woman to feel betrayed again and most especially since she thought she was… as you so cavalierly stated, “confiding” in YOU. So much for that illusion. Let’s consider your uncharitable approach to anonymous above regarding St. Peter Chanel and use your same approach on the post to Klaus about a “close friend”. If that story is true and you are not exaggerating, I would like to inform you that your story does not add up when considering how a very “close friend” would betray that information on the worldwide blogosphere. That would be more obvious than your ill-fated attempt to cleverly take a swipe at the traditional parish. You chose to make a point to St. Christopher at the total expense of someone who thought they could confide in you. I’ve got cautionary news for you Abeca. That is NOT a close friend.
I dont care what you think Catherine. You are part of the problem too. So not surprised by your comments. Actually i expected it. As for my friend, praise God she has made the right choice to go where people are actually living Catholicity. Unlike your type who support schism. There is a distinction of your like minded that make people have prejudges against the Latin mass. Its your type that has pushed many away from choosing a Latin parish. I can no longer ignore their complains. So i advice them to steer away from your like minded types. It is your type that have such hostiily and bicker on and on like you continue here.
Catherine no one knows me here and who my friends are. Plus your just upset that the imperfections of even of some of the priests from the Latin mass are brought up. Im glad my friend left her Latin parish because her pastor neglected to hear Jesus call to feed His sheep. I didnt post the personal details but that pastor was not behaving like a good pastor. He may give homily’s that seem traditional but what good is it if he mistreats women. Im grateful that she was able to distinguish and see that not all who call themselves Tradtional are faithful. She is not the only lay faithful having to endure such things. If people dont want the Latin mass it could be that they come accross people like Catherine, Ann Malley who over analyse people intentions and display bitterness against the OF mass.
There are certain moments when I’m glad that the priesthood is not open to women, and all of those moments have to do with moments like Catherine has just displayed.
abeca, {hugs}
Abeca you say, “…As for my friend, praise God she has made the right choice to go where people are actually living Catholicity. Unlike your type who support schism.”
You state in your post further above that your friend sought support at the OF parish and through non-Catholic Christian sources. So which is it? You are supporting recourse to non-Catholics? Something other than Catholicism?
You then go on to erroneously label that which “is” Catholic as somehow schismatic. And yet, if you’re attempting to pit one parish against another, why, after seeking this seemingly superior OF parish would your friend require the support of non-Catholic sources?
Prayers are indeed needed all around as agendas and understanding seem quite muddled up. As for “more to the story” perhaps the first priest your friend approached knew far more about the entire story. And often when one has a mad on, is deeply hurt, or maintains an immovably bias perspective, one can assume the “mistreatment” of women whenever that which is logical, methodical, and consistent is applied. That is not a priests fault.
I pray your friend receives calm, level headed, unbiased support – support that will aid her in her marriage – a joint venture wherein we often are the greatest accessories to the sins of our spouses. Whether we realize it or not.
Just because someone leaves themselves vulnerable does not mean you two need to stick the knives in.
Be Christian. Jesus died for you. Stop scourging Him again.
Ann Malley it seems like you want details. Not going to give them but its disappointing especially since a few of us are trying to help this family and felt disappointed by how her pastor handled it. Its discouraging. Well for one she and her husband are getting spiritual guidance now from the OF parish deacon and as for the non Catholic resources, they are retreats, they are biblical based on our Judeo Christian on the topic of porn. The protestants have more researched resources on the harm porn does on families etc etc and what it leads to if one continues in those sins. I directed her to dads.org as well that has recommendations to more resources. I’M seeing more families affected by those types of sins. Reading here that priests are getting informed on the seriousness of those sins by they admonishing the men or women that get involved in those things makes me pleased to know that men are no longer excusing each other. Well thank you for your prayers for my friend. Also pray for my other friend, with seven kids, she is facing similar challenges, her husband loves his alcohol. Addiction comes in all forms, no matter what it hurts families and it affects us all.
Anonymous Catherine assumes alot sometimes shes right but sometimes she is not. Regardless of how she perceives things, i only posted what i posted because its good to know that priests are admonishing men for their porn addictions and not excusing them as a guy thing. Since its affecting people that i care and consider good Catholics it just brings out the voice in me to speak up. But what hurts more is when i hear that a traditional parish isnt displaying sensitivity to their female devout lay person with some sort of support and is more sympathetic to the male committing the harm. In this case I dont blame my friend for what concerns her. Its just a tragedy especially since there isnt many choices of Latin parishes to pick from. Her and her family will have to adjust to attending an OF parish. Its not like people can switch from one Latin parish to another.
God bless you, Abeca, but the only one looking for details seems to be you, especially since you offered what you weren’t asked for. That said, any assertions that “Protestants” are somehow more up on the problem of porn and your insinuation that priests are merely trying to cover for a man are, one again, oddly discombobulated.
I hope your friend gets solid Catholic advice – period. This hyper focus on how priests treat “women” particularly is rather modernist and actually perpetuates sexism. Treating people equally and giving them the straight talk when needed – including sometimes the reality that we “may” , despite our being the victim, have a certain culpability and/or need to engage a higher level of “sensitivity” regarding our spouses shortcomings – is being treated as an adult. Something we should all strive for as we’re soldiers of Christ.
Best of the best to your friends – that is the woman and her husband.
Thank dear Jesus that Ann Malley has finally gotten off the anti-Abeca alll-the-time strain.
Nice attempt at redefining issues, YFC. But as always, it’s not personal. I’m always against the absurd, discombobulation express train. Especially when it gets rolling under the guise of Catholic by way of you and others who seem blinded by their own holiness.
I see that discombobulation is the new word for you. I’m sure we will see it a lot. Because plain old “confusion” was getting too old and too confusing, I presume. Or are you confused about your discombobulation?
“There are *certain* moments when I’m glad that the priesthood is not open to women,” = IOW the *majority* of moments you are disobediently supporting, encouraging and promoting women priests. {hugs to Catherine} for unexpectedly eliciting such a telltale and informative response from you. You used your own free will to openly slip up and expose your real solidarity with Women Priests and Call to Action. No wonder you’ve also run interference for and defended the Drag Queen shows at USD too. Father Dariusz Oko Ph.D is certainly right about the clique.
Catherine and Ann Malley: Abeca quote: “Well for one she and her husband are getting spiritual guidance now from the OF parish deacon and as for the non Catholic resources.” Abecca complains that this woman gets no support from her Traditional Catholic pastor. Well, it appears from this statement that she said, that her wonderful Novus Ordo pastor wasn’t there for her either. The deacon? Really? Where is this woman’s PRIEST! If this isn’t bad enough, she has to go to Protestants for help too for the porn because they know more. Doesn’t say much for the supposed wonderful Novus Ordo priests does it?
…the absurdity of contradiction from so called faithful is astounding, RR. That is why, far from evangelizing, these types of posts only point to the utter lack of Catholic education.
God bless
RR i dont need to be bullied to give you the details. You and those of your like minded bicker much. So petty of you ladies. Your poor witness here continues to be one of the reasons to what is obvious. Ill let you bicker and vent and assume what is meant by that. You do a good job at creating more chaos and confusion with your bad will. Now do yourself a favor, focus on Easter.
You ladies are hypocrates. Well what do we expect from heretics and schismatics. As it was back in biblical times, those who cruxified our Lord back then, the holier than thou crowd, still exist today.
Christian women should be good examples of love and peace and kindness. We can’t swim around at the bottom of the barrel behaving worse than our neighbors with other beliefs or even no beliefs. How you talk to and about others says more about your life in Christ than attending Mass, going to Church functions and how you vote.
Please read the letter of St. James in the Bible and accept the Will of God for Christians.
Well, yes, the majority of moments I think the Church is wrong to not ordain women who are called to ordained ministry. But I am not, as you allege {hugs Catherine!} in favor of do-it-yourself ordinations, so I don’t support the women-priests groups and for the same reason I don’t support SSPX. And the rest of your rant I have no idea what those things even are. You think women stopped going to mass because they don’t do Latin masses anymore. I think women stopped going to mass because the Church is sexist and won’t stop pedophile priests. Well, Latin masses are back and the women aren’t coming back. Happy now? Happy in your little sexist cult? Happy that the quack quack duckie duck Latin Mass crowd is overrun with holocaust deniers and sexist priests, and guys who think they can ordain anybody they want to be bishops. Is that the kind of church you want Catherine. Oh, wait, you’ve already told us.
“You ladies are hypocrates. Well what do we expect from heretics and schismatics.” = “How you talk to and about others says more about your life in Christ than attending Mass, going to Church functions and how you vote.” + “Well, yes, the majority of moments I think the Church is wrong to not ordain women who are called to ordained ministry.”
Thank you for finally admitting and exposing that you are even at odds with Christ for not ordaining his mother to be a priest. Not a good sign.
Abeca: I DON’T want the details NOR did I ask for them. I just called you out for always backing down! Likewise, you need to focus on Easter plus on how you treat others. Ponder that a bit. As far as the holier than thou crowd, you are leading it!
Anonymous at 9:54, you are mixing up us anonymouses. I most of the time regret not ordaining women called to the priesthood. It is not for me to say whether the Virgin was called to that roll or not.
Christ ordained married men, yet we don’t. Christ ordained Jewish men, yet we don’t. Christ ordained men before their Baptism, yet we don’t. Christ ordained men who did not yet have the Scriptures opened for them by Christ on the road to Emmaus, yet you all believe that seminarians should memorize the Bible and the Catechism. Christ ordained men before they recognized him in the breaking of the bread, yet we don’t.
Pretending that the Holy Thursday ordinations represent the be all and end all criteria for ordinations are clearly not to be believed.
Anonymous writes..” I most of the time regret not ordaining women called to the priesthood. It is not for me to say whether the Virgin was called to that roll or not.”
“Pretending that the Holy Thursday ordinations represent the be all and end all criteria for ordinations are clearly not to be believed.”
Stop pretending to be a faithful Catholic. It’s pretty clear from your entire post what YOU really want to have ordained and the answer will always be NO.
Awesome, time to travel again and see if I can visit this parish!
“The priests won’t be shy about telling you to stop looking at pornography, for example, or if you’re “living in sin,” wow isn’t that something, its great to know this because how many times are men excused and many Catholics think that its a guy thing to look at pornography! They neglect to inform these men that looking at pornography is committing infidelity if you are married, it hurts woman and children, it is lust and that God is not no where near those things, that it makes those men and their families vulnerable to the much spiritual attacks. So God bless them for speaking up on issues that hurt woman and children, that men do!
Being that it is a “mix” of Anglo, Filipino and Hispanic it would be logical to have the Traditional Latin Mass to UNITE all the various ethnic groups in the parish as is the purpose of Latin to unite the people to worship together!!!! It worked for over 800 years until Vatican II destroyed the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with the venacular. Facts are facts Mass attendence was at 78% in 1960 seminaries and convents were packed, Catholic schools and hospitals were abundent, then came the Council and lo and behold the total destruction of the Faith! All of these are proven facts, so all you Novus Ordonarians please don’t scream about how nobody understood Latin and so on, it is a very lazy excuse of the modernists and Novus Ordonarians to blame the sacred language of Latin, excuses, excuses.
Actually, Janek, it would be LOGICAL to unite around English.
Thank you, “Janek”.
Another beautiful church and wonderful priests!
I agree Carol. Well it would serve me best to visit and see for myself. I found this website helpful last weekend. I attended St John The Baptist, Norbertines. In Orange County. It was a very holy and reverent OF mass. We went for the Saturday vigil. The homily was very direct and holy. Praise God for CCD and their lists of Churches worth driving to. Helps us while on the road.
Ditto to you as well St. Christopher
Actually they did have a Latin Mass there back in 2007-2008. The pastor abruptly stop it because the Superior of the Religious order didn’t want it. The Pastor rudely interrupted before the last Latin Mass ended and told the congregation to go somewhere else for Latin Mass, I know because I was at that Mass. It was a shocking and devasting experience. Over the years the pastor and some of the priests have given conflicting reasons for no longer having a Latin Mass at the parish. One being that “their primary charism is to the poor Hispanic community and not to a Latin Mass and it’s attenedees.” Another excuse was that there wasn’t enough parking for the “real” parishioners. Yet another was “that there wasn’t enough people attending the Mass.” I found those were the most laughable because the Low Mass was held at 2pm and all the 150-200 every Sunday “attendees” were regular parishioners of SPC for years! Three of the priest in residence offered the Latin Mass there during that one year. One left to join another Order and the two other priests have remain in the order but are serving in other states. I respect the office of all the priests there and pray for them but I’m forever scandalized and lost trust in any sorta guidance from the pastor of my once parish.
If this is true on what you say anonymous person, then why on earth didnt the 150 or so attendees get together and complained to their bishop and joined together in the fight to keep your beloved latin mass? Your story is either exaggerated or people there didnt fight hard enough to keep it Latin. Your story doesn’t add up because when you have that many who attended the low mass, as you mentioned, then why would a pastor remove it. Not to discredit what your saying, just wondering.
Taken from Father Z’s blog.
OMV and SJ superiors line up against Pope Benedict and Summorum Pontificum.
Posted on 27 February 2008 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
https://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/02/omv-and-sj-superiors-line-up-against-pope-benedict-and-summorum-pontificum/
Abeca writes…”Your story does not add up” = Either does that very uncharitable comment.
No need to wonder. This is no exaggeration Abeca. Parishioners even purchased the beautiful vestments. Parishioners were elated about having the Latin Mass. There are several young men who decided not to join this particular Order because of this situation at St. Peter Chanel. They saw this action as a warning. I believe that even one of the priests who used to be there left and joined an order that only says the Latin Mass. A few years ago I asked a Carmelite Mother Superior of a Carmel to pray for our diocese because of the persecution of those attached to the Latin Mass. I too initially encountered the same negative attitude from this Mother Superior and her fixed false ideas when labeling Catholics who are attached to the Latin Mass. Nevertheless, she still said she would continue to pray. After a year of back and forth email conversations I received an email from this good Mother Superior telling me that she had been educated and that she too understood how Traditional Catholics were being treated. She used these words. “My dear you have been vindicated in what you have been trying to express by the very words and actions of Pope Benedict XVI.
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…thank you again, Catherine, for your continued kindness in pointing out what often seems a wholesale attack or dismissal of actual victims.
Your welcome Ann Malley. If we cannot all be united when it comes to listening and stating actual facts that are taking place then we are only fooling ourselves. Denying or insinuating that these kind of injustices are an exaggeration actually adds a very great advantage to those who are silently plotting and undermining the fullness of truth from within. Inch by inch, undermining and distorting Church teaching HAS and WILL become even MORE of a cinch if we do not stand up for the full truth. If each parish or diocese is allowed to hold on to a different idea, opinion or standard of truth or obedience to Church teaching then how can that be considered remaining completely faithful or obedient to the Magisterium? Would a truly just and loving father sleep comfortably at night when he has unfairly and deliberately chased many of his own children away? An Order’s “charism” should not be synonymous with the deliberate and hurtful castigation of the faithful or a deliberate ignoring of Pope Benedict XVI.
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“Summorum Pontificum granted greater freedom to use the Tridentine liturgy in its 1962 form, stating that all priests may freely celebrate Mass with the 1962 Missal privately, without having to ask for permission from anyone. It also provided that, “in parishes where a group of the faithful attached to the previous liturgical tradition stably exists, **the parish priest should willingly accede to their requests to celebrate Holy Mass according to the rite of the 1962 Roman Missal”, and should “ensure that the good of these members of the faithful is harmonised with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the governance of the bishop” **(Article 5).
“In his accompanying letter, Pope Benedict explained that his action was aimed at broadly and generously providing for the rituals which nourished the faithful for centuries and at “coming to an interior reconciliation in the heart of the Church” with Traditionalist Catholics in disagreement with the Holy See, such as the members of the Society of St. Pius X. He stated that, while it had first been thought that interest in the Tridentine Mass would disappear with the older generation that had grown up with it, some young persons too have “felt its attraction and found in it a form of encounter with the mystery of the Eucharist particularly suited to them.”
The overt dismissal of Summorum Pontificum has been somewhat of the reality check that was necessary to prove the bias against the TLM. It’s not just in people’s minds.
Have a good rest of the week, Catherine.
Thanks for the link. It was informative.
You see Abeca, this Mother Superior did not believe at first either. This email was a miracle in the works. I too love the priests at St. Peter Chanel but this VERY cold and un-pastoral action has caused great hurt among very many faithful Catholics who no longer attend there. To use the excuse that the Latin Mass does not fit their Orders charism was a very uncharitable and disappointing excuse. This action was a disobedience to Rome. At the time…writing to Cardinal Mahony about this situation would have been tantamount to writing to the ravenous wolf who is devouring it’s sacred contents while guarding every action of the henhouse. People did write to Rome and as the story has played out even Pope Benedict XVI was being betrayed by his closest contacts. Maybe that “Vatileaks” story does not add up to you either but keep praying like the good Mother Superior did and it will all soon add up. Yes, “In the End My Immaculate Heart Will Triumph” even amidst fixed false ideas and persecution.
…thank the Lord for the Mother Superior’s education. No doubt the continued prayer on behalf of something which she didn’t understand aided in opening her eyes.
Since you two ladies judged my post as uncharitable, i dont see any logic in continuing this dialogue because you have your personal prejudices. Go in peace. . Klaus made good points, perhaps there is more than what is said. All i know from experience and years of fasting and praying, the good people of San Diego managed to have a Latin parish after years of having it in cemetery location. It was the faithful to the Magisterium, who’s prayers where answered. I know i was there. So say what you want, maybe the people here need to pray and fast longer and clean from their hearts what need be in humility. I can understand your disappointment but i cant continue dialogue with people who misjudge my comments. You want to talk find a better approach if you want me to listen but for now, i will approach with caution.
Abeca, your experience is limited by your own admission and your reasoning fallacious. That is what is so disappointing about your observations, especially when used to deride or discount others you perceive erroneously to be less clean. That said, there is no desire for dialogue with you in particular, rather just the necessity, in charity, to counter your misguided statements.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com
Ann Malley its your opinion and i dont care what you think. You and Catherine have proven time and time again of your agenda here.
Ann Malley says to counter my misguided comments. You mean on what you perceive as misguided. How about all the ones that tried to correct your misguided comments and personal attacks on others? How about you work on that first before you speak your over inflated assumptions. You and Catherine are something else.
Yes, Abeca, Catherine and, I hope, I have been consistent in promoting our support and love of the fullness of the Catholic faith here – not personal bias so many tend to do.
That is what it is about, Abeca, the Faith.
God bless.
Abeca: Ann and Catherine call you out to defend your statements and all you can say is, “Since you two ladies judged my post as uncharitable, i dont see any logic in continuing this dialogue because you have your personal prejudices. Go in peace. .” Your statement is a cowards way out of admitting that were owned and wrong and pass the blame and buck on to someone else. You have done that to me too when I have backed you into a corner for false statements you have made. Don’t condemn and attack others if you are not prepared to defend yourself against resistance from others.
The description above is one of a vibrant parish and hard working priests. It sounds like they give good homilies and really try to help people grow in holiness. I wish more parishes were like this.
Yes the priests work very hard and give good homilies with little sleep. That in itself doesn’t make a truly vibrant and faithful Catholic Parish. Throwing away the TLM was not in the right direction to help parishioners grow in holiness, it only caused hurt and scandal.
I’m not sure if you are responding to what I said above or not. If you are a mom like me hard working and sleep deprived usually go hand in hand, but I didn’t mean sleep deprived when I said hard working priests. I was referring to their devotion to not only good homilies but the sacrament of confession. God bless!
Carol they work hard with little sleep. I’m saying that gives testimony to their priestly dedication but that doesn’t in of itself make a vibrant and Faithful Catholic parish. The pastor and the Superior of the Religious order were given an blessed opportunity to grow deeper in the Catholic Faith and sadly chose to throw it away like a spoiled adolescent. This has caused much untold hurt, scandal and confusion, which keep many parishioners ignorant of the Catholic Faith and liturgical heritage. I love and pray for the pastor and all those mislead by their distorted views and incomplete liturgical training.
That is certainly one way to look at it. When I see priests that are devoted to the bread and butter sacraments that’s what I call a vibrant parish. Hurt, scandal and confusion . . . if you attend there and experienced this I’m sorry. Your prayers are the perfect response.