The following comes from an April 16 posting by Michael Sean Winters on the site of the National Catholic Reporter.
The decision by some prominent Catholics in San Francisco to take out a full-page ad in that city’s major newspaper, the San Francisco Chronicle, calling on Pope Francis to remove Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, is deeply regrettable. Full disclosure: A couple of weeks ago, a friend in San Francisco familiar with the plan to take out the ad called and asked my advice, and I encouraged her not to do so.
….I will also stipulate that I agree with the people who took out the ad that Archbishop Cordileone has made a series of bad decisions. I will also stipulate that, from the reports I receive, there is “an atmosphere of division and intolerance” in San Francisco, and this was foreseeable given the archbishop’s decisions and style of governance. But adopting the methods of a modern political campaign is not the way to address these issues. Giving a heckler’s veto to the disgruntled is not helpful. Our Scriptures are filled with stories of the people of God rebelling against their spiritual leaders, and we call those leaders prophets.
Having said all that, the Holy See has a problem on its hands. In the waning days of the papacy of Pope Benedict XVI, a series of prominent appointments were made, including the appointment of Archbishop Cordileone to San Francisco, that were deeply regrettable. At the time, there were three Americans on the Congregation for Bishops: Cardinal William Levada, Cardinal Justin Rigali, and Cardinal Raymond Burke. The last two had a deeply skewed sense of the type of leadership the Church in the United States needed, and a string of culture warrior bishops were appointed to prominent sees. In the case of the Sam Francisco appointment, they waited until Cardinal Levada, who had served as archbishop of San Francisco before becoming prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was in the hospital to push through +Cordileone. The prefect of the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, did not know what he should have known or did not act on what he knew and let the appointment go through. Pope Benedict signed off. It was a mistake.
If Pope Francis had done nothing except remove Cardinals Rigali and Burke from the Congregation for Bishops, that would have been enough to make me his biggest fan. But Archbishop Cordileone is not the first bishop to be appointed who is ill-suited to a given diocese, or even ill-suited to episcopal ministry, and he won’t be the last. The question for the Holy See is how to address such situations in a way that is appropriate to the Church, not to the reigning political methodologies of a given country….
The Left begins with the ludicrous notion that the bishop “represents” his see, when in fact he represents Jesus Christ to a particular Catholic community. Plenty of bishops were at odds with their sees (or rather with certain powerful, corrupt people who lived there). St. Francis de Sales was not welcome in Geneva, and Blessed Klement von Galen can hardly have been top o’ the charts in Nazi Cologne. It’s no different the Left in San Francisco, which rejects the notion that certain private acts are beyond moral judgment and wishes to legally proscribe the condemnation thereof. Sorry: the stables don’t get to dictate to the farmer how they should be cleaned, and Peter doesn’t have to let Judas teach in Catholic schools.
God bless you, Tom Byrne. Hang in there.
The Anonymous post, Tom, was mine.
Amen to that Anne.
This writer, to borrow an expression of my father, is full of soup. What a fine bishop Cordileone is, and what a great improvement it would be to have more like him.
Funny thing is there should be no Catholic left or right you are either a Roman Catholic who believes in the dogma of the Holy Faith or you are not a Roman Catholic and do not believe in the Magisterium, we Traditionalists who are faithful and believe in Holy Mother Church are the one’s who are persecuted and now just a short 40 years ago the modernists would have been the heretics, sad what Vatican II created.
There is no “right” or “left” in the Catholic Faith.
There are Faithful Catholics, and Catholic HERETICS / SCHSIMATICS.
We should all use the correct terminology.
It puts things in accurate perspective.
Faithful Catholics adhere to Sacred Scripture and the Doctrine of the Faith, CCC in entirety.
Heretics and Schismatics do not.
CCC: ” 2089
INCREDULITY is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
HERESY is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
APOSTACY is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;
SCHISM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him .”
NCR is the National Communistic Rag ! It hates everyone and everything that is orthodox. Thank God, and all the angels and saints that Archbishop Cordileone was appointed head of the church in the archdiocese of San Francisco. I just hope he is made a cardinal.
Michael Sean Winters, an extreme progressive, outlines his view that, if you don’t like the Magisterium that you have, you get it changed, which is what he would like— he just disagrees with the method.
So, it certainly would be fair to say that if we don’t like the people leadership we have, should we not also Lobby to get it changed? Especially since it appears the lobbying went on during the papal conclave, invalidating possibly the papal nomination.
Interesting reading…ravings from a parallel church. Thank you CCD ! It’s like eavesdropping on Screwtape giving advice to his nephew. This must be the same church that the sisters on the bus and homosexuals attend…all are welcomed as long as you don’t accept Catholic Church teaching, otherwise you’re intolerant . I was never taught that tolerance was a virtue, however. To tolerate something usually meant you were letting something pass that was questionable or suspect. “I’m not going to tolerate that behavior another second!” my mom would yell at us. Boy, was she intolerant.
Michael Sean Winters, an extreme progressive, outlines his view that, if you don’t like the Magisterium that you have, you get it changed, which is what he would like— he just disagrees with the method.
So, it certainly would be fair to say that if we don’t like the papal leadership we have, should we not also lobby to get it changed—Especially since it appears that lobbying in fact went on during the papal conclave, possibly invalidating the last papal nomination?
THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER SHOULD NOT EVEN HAVE THE NAME ‘CATHOLIC’ IN IT’S TITLE!
IT IS NO MORE CATHOLIC THAN I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND AB CORDILEONE IS JUST PERFECT FOR THIS TIME AND THE ARCHDIOCESE OF SAN FRANCISCO….IT IS GOD’S TIMING, WHICH IS ALWAYS PERFECT:)
Amen to that Elizabeth.
Where, exactly, is the “split” that the headline announces? OK, he didn’t like the tactic of an ad political style. But he still doesn’t think Cordileone is fit to serve the Archdiocese of SF. And this article only helps to make that case. Thanks, CCD, for sharing this article.
Your Fellow Catholic (YFC), just which of these do you DISAGREE with and WHY ?
(You already told us you support sodomy marriage.)
SACRED SCRIPTURE regarding homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
DOCTRINE of the FAITH: CCC # 2357, 2358, 2359 & 2396.
I also would like YFC to respond to your questions MAC.
” Fellow Catholic (YFC), just which of these do you DISAGREE with and WHY ?
(You already told us you support sodomy marriage.)
SACRED SCRIPTURE regarding homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
DOCTRINE of the FAITH: CCC # 2357, 2358, 2359 & 2396. “
Keep trying MAC, MALLEY, PETE, ETC ETC.
I believe in the scriptures taken in their totality, not individual scripture verses pulled out of context in order to bash people over the head with them. I’m a Catholic, not a Baptist. Proof texting is not an approved catholic method for looking at scripture. If you want to become a Baptist, I’m sure they would love to dunk you.
YFC you are a hypocrite. You do not believe in scripture in its totality. Stop lying to yourself. And as for the Baptist comments, i happen to have good friends who are Baptist and they are faithful to the same truths we are here in regards to family, marraige and morals. They support any good Catholic that stand up for family values. They expressed that they support this holy archbishop. So stop bashing all baptist.
YFC, you did not answer the questions.
Which of the listed Sacred Scriptures and CCC paragraphs do you DISAGREE with.
They are NOT taken out of context, so do not lie.
(These Sacred Scripture verses are in the footnotes of the CCC regarding homosexuals.)
SACRED SCRIPTURE regarding homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
DOCTRINE of the FAITH: CCC # 2357, 2358, 2359 & 2396. “
YFC, any school that publically advertises itself as part of a particular religious faith, should adhere to that Faith in both TEACHING and in EXAMPLE.
Otherwise they are taking tuition money for fraudulent purposes.
Do you support fraud YFC, or truth in advertising ?
All Parents have the right to expect TRUTH in advertising.
Those parents who do not agree with a particular Faith, should send their children to a different private school, or to the public school.
It is as simple as that.
No one has said that catholic school teachers shouldn’t teach and give example to the faith in the schools they serve. The problem is that the AB has asked that only a very narrow part of the faith be taught. A sliver of catholic moral teaching is not catholic moral teaching. In fact, by definition, it is not really catholic.
YFC, rather than wave your arms and make dishonest statements about the ABP give examples (including official links when possible) to support your unfounded allegations.
YFC, you are lying again. The Abp teaches the Faith entirely and accurately.
Nealy, the introductions into the teacher’s handbook are a sliver of catholic moral teaching, not the entirety of catholic moral teaching. Please check the facts, and then come back and apologize for your libelous accusation against me.
YFC, you are lying again. The word homosexual is not mentioned in the changes to handbook.
It merely states that one must adhere to the teachings of the Church in teaching and example.
If you have anything to back up your error, give us an exact quote from the new SFO Diocese teacher’s handbook.
You make broad statements without documentation – and most of your statements are clearly in error.
OK Neely and Cindy, here you go. If you are going to make such bold statements about a person, accusing them of lieing, then perhaps you should specify what you think I said that is a lie.
In the case of Cindy, for example, she says that the word “homosexual” is not mentioned in the changes to the teacher handbook. Wow. Then she admits she has not read the changes, and challenges me to provide evidence.
Well, fine. Here you go. Here are the exact words in the proposed changes, given to you by none other than the Archdiocese of SF itself. https://www.catholic-sf.org/ns.php?newsid=25&id=63175
In 19 paragraphs of changes, “homosexual” is mentioned 7 times. Catholic moral teaching cannot be taught in its entirety in 19 paragraphs. And 7 mentions of “homosexual” in 19 paragraphs is not 0 mentions.
A small grammar lesson from a school marm, yfc…catholic with a small c means universal. When referring to the Catholic faith one must always use a capital C…unless one isn’t Catholic anyway to which I attribute your error Most probably it was just a ‘freudian slip” and not a real error at all.
Thanks for the reminder to use good grammar. I admit, I am sloppy when it comes to capitalization. I don’t accept your rules of grammar though. “Catholic” refers to the visible church. “catholic” refers to the universal church both visible and invisible. The official translation of the Creeds uses a small “c” catholic in both the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed (https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/credo.htm) I ought to have used “Catholic” in the first usage of my 9:06 AM post, since it referred to the concrete visible church, so I erred. I think I was correct in my next two usages, though I imagine it is open to discussion. But the last usage is clearly correct. Thanks for the correction. I should be better about my grammar, and I value it in others. (other’s?)!!!
I will continue, with my reply to YFC’s unjust comments, regarding the Cathedral’s responsible use of water, to discourage the “rebellious” homeless. The Cathedral, as well as many churches here– all have good programs, for the homeless! Every day, church workers go out to try to offer food, shelter, medical care, etc., to the homeless! But not all will accept it! There is no law in California, mandating that you must go to a shelter, hospital, drug rehab. facility, etc.– for severe life problems! You are “free,” to do as you wish! By contrast, in the Depression era, even the very poor, the jobless, the hobos, and poor immigrants– had respect for God, morality– and common decency! You would NEVER see, in that era– a homeless man, a hobo, or poor immigrant— refuse all help, freely take dope– and use nice churches, libraries, businesses, or even private homes— as a toilet!!
My reply to YFC’s unjust comments, regarding the Cathedral’s responsible attempts to shower and discourage the “rebellious” homeless— was supposed to be a continuation of my reply to this poster, at 7:40 p.m. on April 20th. But it was put in the wrong place! Too bad!
YFC– first of all, why can’t you spell the word “Catholic” with proper respect– with a capital “C?” Christian Morality, YF”C”– is NOT a “TINY” part of our Faith— IT’S THE WHOLE THING!! CHRISTIAN MORALITY— is the very BACKBONE of Christ’s religion!! Don’t you know that?? And yes– the road to the Kingdom of Heaven, is the Narrow Road, ONLY– for very RESPONSIBLE, CARING, and MATURE people, of all ages and walks of life! If you wish to call yourself a “Fellow Catholic,” listen to Our Lord. Without the belief and practice of Christian Morality, you are not even “Christian” at all!
Sorry for having offended you, Lisa Maria!! However, morality is not the backbone of our faith, the Cross is the backbone of our faith !!! The correct capitalizing of the Catholic Faith is hardly the point of Jesus death and resurrection, is it???!!!
I think morality is an incredibly important part of our faith!! Therefore, I shall never, ever, shower the homeless sheltering under my roof with cold water from 30 feed overhead!!! How we care for the homeless is a central portion of our Christian morality, is it not??!!!
YFC– It takes MORAL BACKBONE, to “take up your Cross daily, and follow Me,” as Christ said!! That is EXACTLY what CHRISTIAN MORALITY means! As for the water showering?? the Archdiocese always feeds, clothes, and houses the homeless! Right in the Cathedral, too, they have a homeless program! But many of the homeless prefer to NOT accept all of this charity, freely offered to them! They PREFER to sleep outdoors, do dope, and use the Cathedral as a toilet! They need the LAW to mandate that they may no longer ABUSE Christian charity– instead, they MUST ACCEPT proper help– and STOP all this NONSENSE!!
Sorry Linda Maria, the Archdiocese, despite its other worthwhile programs, knowingly tortured the homeless with hourly cold showers. And compassionate San Franciscans complained to them And in ignoring the humanitarian outcry, the Archbishop and his diocesan officials lost all standing to lecture the rest of us about morality.Nobody in this city trusts this Archbishop anymore. He began his tenure with a drunk driving record, and he will end it with dunking the homeless.
“….the Archdiocese, despite its other worthwhile programs, knowingly tortured the homeless with hourly cold showers.”
Your penchant for drama is astounding, YFC. What’s next? Are parks torturing people by having hours wherein they water the lawn? And is it compassion for those in San Francisco to misrepresent an issue as leverage to disparage the Church which they despise – much like the natural law?
Did you ever think some folks who cannot afford a shower facility may have taken advantage of the hourly cold water opportunities for showers – especially in summer?
Nobody is dunking anybody, YFC, as people, despite how you like to portray them, have “free” will. Or would you take even that away from San Francisco’s suffering? Dunking one and all into the vat of hapless, unthinking animal?
Oh for crying out loud Ann Malley. Did your really just write this in all seriousness, or are really delusional? : “Did you ever think some folks who cannot afford a shower facility may have taken advantage of the hourly cold water opportunities for showers – especially in summer?”
The showers were operated year round, and nobody was using them “to take a shower”. If you even want to hint at that, then you are the one misrepresenting the issue. The phot of the homeless showed them with umbrellas to protect themselves from the shower.
YFC, you misrepresent any issue if it serves your purpose. And the safety precautions employed by the diocese were precisely that – safety precautions. Not the water boarding torture device you imply as if individuals were rounded up and strapped to the steps – let’s try deflating the drama bubble, okay? For while you believe readers to be enthralled by your Sarah Bernhardt expulsions, the reality is you’re overacting – again.
So cry out loud and beat your proverbial breast, but the theater is empty, friend.
YFC, Winters did NOT give one (1) legitimate reason why Abp Cordileone is unfit to serve the Archdiocese of SF.
Why do you lie so much ?
He lies because he has his own agenda…..
I wrote no lies, Anonymous. The headline lied. I just pointed it out, so please don’t shoot the messenger.
Who slew cock robin? Not I said the fly. With my little arrow didst I aim, to down the little fellow with no name, who with beak agape and wings askew, dids’t warn us of a headline that was’t not true! Oh, fie, oh fiddlely dee! The fellow’s down, but twas not me!
nice poem. I wish i had that skill! Je vous salut Dana.
YFC– the Archbishop is merely your scapegoat. You really hate the good Church– and refuse to stand up for it! Anyone can see that! What a “bad Catholic” you are! So– what do you care, if the good Archbishop tries to responsibly protect his nice, decent Cathedral, from filthy, irresponsible dopers, who refuse decent Christian charity which he freely offers, in his church homeless programs? If you were a business owner in San Francisco, and were bullied by these “rebellious” kinds of homeless people, who also used your property as a dope hang-out and a “toilet”–no doubt, you would do MUCH WORSE, than sprinkle them with a bit of water, to discourage them!!
I have to agree, headlines attract readers, even when they mislead. Ca. Catholic should be more correct in its headlines. To even refer to articles in the NCR is a generous but erroeous choice on their part.
Now we see the real behind the scenes progression of the scheming intended when using the word “Collegiality”. Many internal dissenters were banking on everyone collegially fleeing from the FULLNESS OF TRUTH. Some of our shepherds HAVE remained completely faithful. Angry dissenters are now behaving like spoiled rotten and thankless children of God.
“But Archbishop Cordileone is not the first bishop to be appointed who is ill-suited to a given diocese, or even ill-suited to episcopal ministry, and he won’t be the last.” = IOW ….Thanks be to God that Cardinal Burke and Archbishop Cordileone will NOT be the ONLY ones who will always choose NOT to flee from the TRUTH like many “collegially” have.
“The last two had a deeply skewed sense of the type of leadership the Church in the United States needed, and a string of culture warrior bishops were appointed to prominent sees. In the case of the Sam Francisco ” = IOW the last two have been completely faithful and have NOT fled from their responsibility and duties as shepherds.
‘THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE’
The Principle of Collegiality by Philip C.L. Gray
“Human nature being what it is sometimes the Principle of Collegiality becomes distorted and can stifle the witness of individual bishops by reducing the exercise of their Teaching Office to the least common denominator.
To reply to Catherine’s post: This is exactly why I do not like Vatican II!! We are NOT a small band of people following Jesus Christ, as in the earliest Christian days, in Galilee!! It is just ridiculous, the Vatican II false “equalization,” or “collegiality,” of the bishops and Pope! We need the strong leadership of Christ and St. Peter– in the role of the Pope! Plus, the false “equalization” of the priest with the laymen– is just ridiculous! Also– I do not believe in the Vatican II concepts of so-called “religious liberty!” This is a total lie! Either you accept Christ and follow Him– or, you don’t!! If you don’t– then, you should be honest, and leave His Church! I also do not believe in “ecumenism!” To try to falsely revise the Faith, to suit others’ rejections of it– is ridiculous! Rather, I believe in love and goodwill to all people, regardless of what religion they believe in! I believe that Vatican II strongly reflects the “spirit of the (secular) age,” and I do not care for it, at all!!
Linda Maria, I completely understand everything you are saying. Also, many bishops disobediently thumbed their nose to Rome for years and we are seeing the effects. Catholics also placed Barack Obama into power.
Taken from : “That They May All Be One”:
The Principle of Collegiality By Philip C. L. Gray “We might speculate that this is what Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani had in mind some forty years ago when he was reported to have said that the only passage in Scripture that he could find in support of collegiality was Matthew 26:56: And they all fled. Unfortunately, the Ruling Office lends itself most easily to abuse. Because of concupiscence, power has the tendency to corrupt man. And, just as Eve’s curse was to be lorded over by her husband, so it is a curse of the People of God when a bishop or groups of bishops lord it over them.”
Linda Maria, Even at my first high school class reunion it was eye opening to see the number of fellow Catholic classmates who thought that all religions were now equal. We know that is not true. This is why it is all the more important to for us work together in clarifying our Catholic Faith. Thank you for your charity and beautiful posts on CCD.
The “National Catholic REPORTER” is a FRAUD – not a Catholic publication.
It was publically condemned in 1968 by their Diocese Bishop Helmsing.
In 2013 their current Diocese Bishop reiterated the condemnation.
The NC Reporter was asked to remove the name “Catholic” from its name, however they refuse to do so.
They purposely commit FRAUD.
Save these links for future reference.
Janek is totally correct, and right on the mark. In the old days, when you said you were a Catholic, it meant you were a real honest to goodness Catholic. Since Vatican II (actually it was before, but it was underground), all the liberal termites came out to destroy everything traditional about our faith. Catholics are now marginalized; we are no longer one, we are divided, and as the maxim goes, united we stand, divided we fall. Left or liberal Catholics are not Catholics. And Catholic lite Catholics and luke- warm Catholics are also not Catholic. The only real ones are the traditionalists, as they have kept the faith unwavering. What was believed 100 years ago, is still believed by them, and what was a sin 100 years ago, is still a sin Dogma and morality does not change !. It takes a long time to realize this, and it sounds very harsh, but the only Catholic Church that will be around in twenty or fifty years will be the traditional Catholic Church. All the other ones will be Protestant, agnostic, or atheist. Ave Maria Purrissima !
Jesusita, wouldn’t you agree that it is a bit arrogant of you to determine who is Catholic and who isn’t? It would be helpful if you cited one dogma of the Church that has changed since VII. I know of none. The Catechism hasn’t changed; its revised and brought up to date, but the dogma is the same. Millions of people go to church every week. Are they all bound for hell? And, it would be helpful if you spelled out what you mean by “traditionalists.” If the dogma hasn’t changed, and we believe the teachings of the Church, aren’t we all traditionalist? Or do you think of traditionalists as only those who attend an Extraordinary form of the Mass? Sometimes it is important to separate dogma from rituals.
Bob One– the poster, Jesusita, is an HONEST Catholic! NOT A DISHONEST ONE, of the Vatican II era, going to church every week, while actually being a NON-BELIEVER!! Bob One– there are plenty of NON-BELIEVERS in church, all the time! Many go, just for social reasons— NOT to worship God!! It is a very simple thing– DO YOU BELIEVE? OR DON’T YOU? Read your Bible and Catechism! Have the COURAGE to say, “yes” or “no,” to Christ! But don’t go to church, just because you are bored, or have nothing else to do!
Bob One, review what Bishop Athanasius Schneider has to say. Sorry, but things have changed since VII. The change – that which was clear has been made unclear.
” Or do you think of traditionalists as only those who attend an Extraordinary form of the Mass? “.. That would be Yes ……
This article is soo skewed. The only thing the Archbishop needs to be is 100% loyal to the teachings of JESUS and be willing to risk all to teach and implement those teachings.
My first question is – What makes these 100 outspoken people in S.F.Catholic?One of the women is a prominent supporter of Abortion and makes no bones about it. In my opinion, this is NOT Catholic. The previous 3 Archbishops of S.F. were appeasers. They did very little if anything to guide the Catholic Church in S.F. So YES. It is a big adjustment when we finally have a devoted strong, CATHOLIC Bishop who is attempting to right the bad leadership the S.F. Catholic Church has had for so many years. God Bless Archbishop Cordileone.
I and thousands of other Catholics in the pews of the Churches in S.F., pray he will be with us for a long time to come. Those of us who support AB Cordileone could take out a similar ad to list all the wrongs done by the past Archbishops of S.F. starting with the selling of eight Catholic Churchs by AB J. R. Quinn but we would rather donate the money spent on such nonsense to the needy.
Winters and the NC Reporter do not adhere to the teaching of the Faith
– Not a Catholic Bible, not the Doctrine of the Faith (CCC), not the Code of Canon Law, Not GIRM (General Instruction for the Roman Missal for the OF Mass), and not anything in the Apostolic Constitution. Why, because they do not promote a sinful lifestyle.
” The NEW PHARISEES: Who Today is Putting up Obstacles to Evangelization ” ?
” The New Pharisees of today downplay Catholic doctrine,
minimize the importance of the Sacraments,
ridicule traditional Catholic devotions,
scoff at Catholic moral teachings,
and diminish the uniqueness of the Catholic Church. “
Winters likes the New Pharisees –
Donald Weurl who now sits on the Committee to appoint new Bishops,
Blasé Cupich of Chicago, Robert McElroy of San Diego, and others who ignore the Doctrine of our Faith.
They believe in practicing Sacrilege by giving Holy Communion to those who choose to live in Mortal Sin;
and the heresy of the Law of Gradualness.
Law of Gradualness:
You could be talented, wealthy, smart or successful, you can place ads, write articles or organize rallies, but if you choose a lifestyle of pride and disobedience, your conscience will not let go of you. It will not shut up. It will drive you nuts. It will be there in your most secret core. It will not give sanctuary. As the Catechism says: His conscience is man’s most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths.” The writhing San Franciscans and their supporters are embodiments how we try to battle a guilty conscience.
May I suggest that everyone say a Novena for Archbishop Cordileone.
As Fr. Z notes, we need to pray, fast, and give alms to protect this good and holy man.
Who in the heck is this guy anyway? Where does he come off telling us who should be head of a diocese and who shouldn’t. He needs to keep his mouth shut! As someone has already stated – the Catholic Church is NOT a democracy. The rag “Reporter” would be the only paper to publish such an article……it’s expected!
What faithful and knowledgeable Catholics recognize as “the National Catholic DISTORTER” publishes Winters’ so-called “Distinctly Catholic” musings. Winters is known for a variety of confused and disordered outlooks, from his support of Notre Dame’s scandalous “LGBTQ” corruption to his defense of contributions to “pro-choice” (pro-abortion) and pro-“gay-marriage” outfits by the “Catholic Campaign for Human Development.” As for Cardinal Levada: his cave-in on “domestic partnerships” when he was San Francisco’s archbishop helped speed the push for “gay-marriage” insanity. Thank Goodness for real men like Archbishop Cordileone. His name means “Lionheart.” That’s what he is, and that’s what the Church, the nation, and the world all need today!
AMY….YOU ARE RIGHT ON AS USUAL!!!
To begin, the “prominent Catholics” who took out the “ad” in the SF Chronicle complain about only one thing: they have advanced a “New Church” religion, and do not want any “Catholic” to try to disrupt their party. Their objection ot Abp. Cordileone is that he actually adheres to the express statements of the Catholic Faith contained in the Church’s Catechism, as well as in the Bible.
Perhaps almost as important, is the fact that the Archbishop is not accountable to them. These “catholics” are obviously not church-going believers, and provide funding for a wide variety of Zombie-Liberal causes. Central to these anti-Catholic movements is the area of sexual ethics: abortion, homosexual sex, divorce and remarriage (without annulment), contraception, fornication — all that.
These people, and people like the author, Michael Sean Winters, simply do not agree to live like Catholics, and do not do so. Many Catholics are like this, from the Kennedys, to Nancy Pelosi, Fox News commentater Bret Baier, and many, many others. They do not believe what the Church teaches and has always taught. And they reject someone like Abp. Cordileone (or Cardinal Burke) that quietly, but firmly, sets them straight on this. Very sorry to suggest, however, that the upcoming visit by Pope Francis will likely give these people a lot of support, as the Pope will very likely say things like: “God made you, and loves you as you are, so glory in that” — stuff like that.
St. C, “God made you, and loves you as you are, so glory in that.” What do you mean calling it “stuff like that?” That was the first thing I learned in 1st grade catechism class – the child’s version of the Baltimore. Who made you? God made me. Who loves you? God loves me. That is a basic of our faith. God loves us and we love him back. He loved us so much that he died on the cross for the expiation of our sins and then rose three days later. That is what Easter is all about isn’t it? We are an Easter people.
NO Bob One we are a Good Friday people
“We are the Easter people and hallelujah is our song.”
― Pope John Paul II
NEWS FLASH TO CANISIUS
Anonymous, supply the link.
Was it during the Easter Season that JP II stated this? Or did you take it out of context?
The CCC (promulgated by Pope JP II is very clear that Easter is a celebrated “season” with a specific date, and a specific liturgy.
For example we do not celebrate Easter on Good Friday either.
Newsflash, you need Good Friday to get Easter. Underplaying that reality has sadly left many Catholics with the mindset that all suffering/sacrifice must be avoided. This is untrue.
TED B, you are correct but…the whole Catholic Faith is because of Easter. Christi is risen. He is risen and ascended to Heaven. He is alive. He is with us.
Canisius, we are both really. Easter would not have happened without Good Friday.
No kidding Anon, I know that, that’s why I posted it….People like Bob One are all convinced they are getting to heaven without carrying a cross…
“That was the first thing I learned in 1st grade catechism class – the child’s version of the Baltimore.” = Look at B.O. bringing up the Baltimore Catechism. Nice little fake added touch for someone who is duplicitous and wants to selectively sound Catholic while consistently undermining Church teaching from within. That might work on the trusting or poor unsuspecting victims. The “We are Easter people” crowd prefer to pretend that certain sins don’t exist. The “We are Easter people” crowd just showcased their prominent unfaithfulness to the world in the San Francisco Chronicle. Birds of the same dissenting feather always chronicle their unfaithfulness together.
Catherine, really? Name one Church teaching I have undermined. Aren’t we an Easter People? Don’t we celebrate Easter every week?
Not according to the CCC, Bob One.
The Liturgy, including the Gospel, and the vestments are very specific for Easter week.
CCC: ” 1170 At the Council of Nicaea in 325, all the Churches agreed that Easter, the Christian Passover, should be celebrated on the Sunday following the first full moon (14 Nisan) after the vernal equinox.
Because of the different methods of calculating the 14th day of the month of Nisan, the date of Easter in the Western and Eastern Churches is not always the same.
For this reason, the Churches are currently seeking an agreement in order once again to celebrate the day of the Lord’s Resurrection on a common date. “
Aren’t we all part of the Mystical Body of Christ? I say let’s focus more on Him…enough about us.
In fact, in the weekly reckoning of time Sunday recalls the day of Christ’s Resurrection. It is Easter which returns week by week, celebrating Christ’s victory over sin and death, the fulfilment in him of the first creation and the dawn of “the new creation” (cf. 2 Cor 5:17).
St. John Paul II Dies Domini
Every Sunday, even every Sunday during lent, is a celebation of Easter, the Resurrection of Christ. The forty days of lent do not include Sundays for this simple reason!
We are commanded to celebrate the Paschal Mysteries every Easter. By Canon Law. And on pain of mortal sin if we miss the lesser Easter celebrations each week.. Why is our kmowledge of the liturgical life of the Church so lacking? This is one of the most important concepts unifying the people of God. Why is it a source of division amongst his followers here on CCD? Can we at least be agreed that we are all called to celebrate the Easter Resurrection every single Sunday every single week?
Bob One, where is celebrating “EASTER” in each week in any OFFICIAL Church document ?
Please provide the link.
We do celebrate the Eucharist each week, but in the life of Christ that was before Easter.
Dies Domini. 1998
Another example of Bob One’s …”We are an Easter people”
BREAKING: Catholic Relief Services vice-president is in a gay ‘marriage’, promotes gay agenda | News | LifeSite
You equate Easter with gay marriage?
The truth obviously hurts, especially when one equates committing perverse unnatural acts with the word “gift”.
The worldwide homo-heresy network also allowed another paycheck collecting usurper of truth to be the vice president of Catholic Relief services. This clique certainly bases and equates everything in the gospel, including Easter, around their objective disorder. That is why they are called the lavender mafia who foster and protect this type of scandal. You really must pay closer attention to what you’ve been posting. Even according to our homsexualizing activists on CCD, Jesus died on the cross and he rose again from the dead so that they can call unnatural acts and same sex unions, their “gifts” and call those “gifts” “clouds of happiness” and part of God’s plan.
Homosexual activists learned this lie from wolves or fellow wolves in sheep’s clothing. These wolves and this vice president also collect a nice paycheck from the Catholic Church whose teachings they hate and reject.
The blasphemy is pretending that there is no Good Friday or Cross to be carried to reach Easter Sunday.
No the blasphemy is in comparing the central event in the Christian faith to a grave sin.
You cannot have the central event without the carrying of the cross, Anonymous. So you blaspheme in attempting to give us Easter with no Cross. Shame on you! Deceiver!
It is just such a notion of being focused on Easter without having to carry one’s cross that leads to the Protestant idea of salvation by Faith alone. Sorry, Anonymous, but that’s wrong.
No one is denying the Cross.
Please stop with your evil.
Ann Malley, you are correct about no Easter without the Cross and we all know that. I did not blaspheme. You have falsely accused me. You have verbally abused me unjustly.
You abuse yourself, Anonymous, by denying your intellect and will. Same goes for seeing evil where there is none. But that’s okay. Your injustices do me great honor. God bless you.
Ann Malley, you should have repented. God will not forgive a sin unless it is repented of.
Anonymous, for a sin to be repented of it needs to first be established that it is sin – not your own personal delusion. That said, you may want to repent of and make a resolution against attempting to create that which doesn’t exist in order to derail efforts to arrive at the truth.
Calumny is a sin.
Calumny is a sin….. and so is manufacturing just observations to equate to calumny, Anonymous. You really should try to take the Christian road instead of convincing yourself that you understand how to correctly apply the terms you use.
Perhaps you could proceed by asking appropriate questions and then listening for understanding to the replies. If you do not understand, that does not equate to anyone’s sinning, just your lack of understanding.
God bless you moving forward and today as you seem to struggle greatly.
Ann, Anonymous is right. There is no relationship between Easter and “gay marriage”. Maybe Catherine was trying to make some point when she brought the CRS VP into this conversation out of nowhere*, but you picked up that ball and ran with it, and when people pointed that out you, just went after them with insults. When it was pointed out that you were misstating what people wrote, you just keep doubling down.
Not only is calumny a sin, but so is pride. A little humility, to admit that maybe you go a bit far in sticking a knife into people’s backs, might help people give more import to the other things you say. If you are an example of what SSPX does to people, you are not a very good witness to the fruits of that community.
*As to Catherine’s interjection of “gay” into this discussion, this is to be expected from her, since she is known to be so obsessed with that topic that she does it every chance she gets. And you see what trouble it gets her into!
Ann Malley, you falsely accused someone of blasphemy, deception, and of denying the Cross. You also shamed them which is more verbal abuse. You owe the person an apology, you owe the community (CCD) an apology and you need to repent or your sin cannot be forgiven.
Anonymous, many here shame themselves much like you do by seeking to judge where you have no understanding or authority. Then you – and YFC – attempt to hammer away by means of your own weak constructs while promoting “community” that denies reality…. or at the very most attempts to deny reality by means of false constructs. That is neither Catholic nor logical. Rather it is self-defeating which is precisely what those who want to promote Easter without the Cross or marriage to mean anything but what Our Lord outlined it to be are doing.
If that is shaming you, then stop. But you cannot do that which is so blatantly shameful, that of presuming to act wherein you have no authority and no desire for Christian charity in seeking the truth, and then expect to receive apologies for what you yourself orchestrated.
That may be the kind of treatment you expect to receive, but that is no kindness. You owe yourself an apology, Anonymous, for your gross and unrepentant acceptance of disinformation and misunderstanding as some false-fruit of fidelity is an abuse of mind and soul – yours.
So sticking the knife in your own back to set up the “community” is not of God.
God sees you!
Exactly how is gay marriage like Jesus rising from the dead?
Wait wait wait.
Where did Bob One promote, nominate, or support the VP of Catholic Relief Services? By what right do you impugn his integrity by attempting to associate him with this appointment?
Even if you have a problem with the VP being in a gay relationship, you do not DO NOT have the right to falsely claim that anyone on this site had something to do with his job, unless you have actual evidence to support your claim. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM?
“DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM?”
Breaking News: Alinskyite agenda troll who duplicitously refers to himself as YFC, caught, trapped and exposed in his own tangled net of rules for radicals. Yes, YFC and his friend Bob One always become extremely concerned/agitated when large donation money is involved. YFC used all capital letters to expose his uncontrollable FEAR of losing potential left wing slush money for left wing causes. This behavior is very similar for anyone who has eyes to see. A few years ago faithful Catholics called the Diocese of Orange to ask for the telephone number of the local chapter representative of Legatus to inform them that an instructor in the Diaconate program taught the new class that belief in the “Real Presence” was tantamount to cannibalism. Kenneth Fisher knew the gentleman that was removed for respectfully and privately after the class upholding Church teaching. I also met this fine Catholic gentleman and the diocese was complicit in allowing this to take place. A clergy assistant of the previous bishop telephoned this fine gentleman and told him NOT to attend the next class or come back period after this occurred. You see, these usurpers of TRUTH want the unsuspecting and the uncatechized to achieve their agenda.
A very large file was sent to the previous bishop and also to Rome regarding this incident and NOTHING was ever done and no one has ever tried to publicly rectify this serious teaching error. Is this what they are still teaching when no one is looking? At that time faithful Catholics called the diocese of Orange and asked for Legatus’s local chapter representative’s phone number. The call was transferred and when this person was asked for Legatus’s phone number the person who answered the call yelled out in a very fearful sounding voice (similar to those evidenced in YFC’s capital letters above) “WHY ARE YOU CALLING THEM? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY TO THEM?” The EVIDENCE is quite clear! Follow the money trail and YFC’s capital letters.
“This shocking expose of the bishops’ national charity arm is a tragic reminder to all Catholics to avoid all instruments of the U. S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. The staff of that organization has been thoroughly infiltrated by heterodox enemies of the Catholic Church and the fruit of its work is rotten to the core.” – Church Militant TV
Birds of the same Saul Alinskyite feathers certainly flocked here together to mock faithful Catholic Cardinal Burke. The sulfuric stench and smoldering hatred for the Fullness of Truth or Tradition is EVIDENCED below.
Taken from CCD’s Be Manly
Bob One says:
January 15, 2015 at 4:44 pm
Eva, Sandra, Linda, etc. The Cappa Magna is a very long cape as you described. It goes back to the days when everyone traveled by horseback. The train covered the horse from the saddle back. Today you see very few Bishops or Cardinals wearing this set of robes. They are not vestments needed for Mass. They are pretty much referred to as choir robes. The Archbishop of San Francisco is known to wear them from time to time as is the Archbishop of some Spanish dioceses. They are no longer the norm, and in fact, the good Cardinal Burke get a lot of snickers from fellow Priest for his wearing of Renaissance garb. Nothing wrong with it, but it does lose him some credibility among the 98%.
Your Fellow Catholic says:
January 14, 2015 at 11:54 pm
It is so ironic that Cardinal Burke disdains “the priest show”, yet if you google the picture at the very top of this article, you will see in the uncropped image that the train on Bruke’s vestments has got to be 20 or 25 feet long. I haven’t ever seen even a bridal train that long, ever. All that red, and its only purpose is to point to the priest show. And for a man who wants things to be more manly, he surely wears a lot of white gloves and lacy garments. He is the brunt of jokes on facebook and late night television. Most people literally laugh at the man. Francis simply demoted him.
Catherine, it is unbelievable to me that a person would try to make a connection between my asking you to justify your false accusation and any money issue at all, let alone this specific incident in the Diocese of Orange. You do understand that it is a sin to lie, right?
There was no false accusation made, YFC. But your attempt to assert that there was gives rise to the understanding that you have an agenda of distraction.
So yes, it is a sin to lie which is why you are sinning in intimating that there was any wrongdoing on Catherine’s part in revealing the correlation of calling Catholics merely an “Easter” people when the reality of carrying one’s cross (that is manfully rejecting sin and error, not indulging in it in addition to true repentance after a fall) is necessary.
So, Catherine’s issue is that she associate “Easter people” with error or homoheresy (which it does not mean).
And your issue is that you associate it with some non-existent ideology of denying the Cross or sin (which it does not mean).
Stop being mean and falsely accusing people because you are ignorant.
You focus on meanness, Anonymous, to the complete negation of true kindness which would be attempting to get at the truth. Even truth in understanding via conversation.
Perhaps if you try to educate according to your level of knowledge instead of hammering about how much you think you know and then misjudging people there could be some growth. If you do not comprehend the slogan of being an Easter People being exploited by those who wish to do away with the cross and works, it would be much simpler to admit it and ask for explanation. Throwing stones at those who can teach you that which you do not know is not a sign of intellect or Faith, but rather foolishness and pride. That is not holy…. or anything of Easter.
Thank you for kinda sorta admitting your error. I know it can be difficult. I am kinda sorta relieved because I was genuinely worried that you might be depressed or something. God bless you.
Thank you Ann Malley! You know that you have absolutely hit a “core resistance regarding the full meaning of the Cross” when multiple activist trolls feel the fearful need to converge and lash out. It’s similar to holy water being splashed on a resisting possessed soul.
…it can also be symptomatic of faith as ideology and not Faith, Catherine. But perhaps that’s just me as I find it astounding how forestalling genuine communication could be done on purpose by anybody of their own free will. Especially those who purport to love Our Lord, the Faith, Holy Mother Church, or anybody really.
Although some of the shenanigans reminds me of that exercised by a child who perceives themselves to be supplanted, no longer their mother’s favorite or only child. A painful realization, but one that can surely be overcome when the selfishness of youth and misunderstanding gives way to the maturity of the fullness of love.
That said, the holy water analogy fits, too. Tricky diagnosis.
If you were really devoted to the Cross of Christ, you would not sin.
“…If you were really devoted to the Cross of Christ, you would not sin.”
Even the just man sins 7 times a day, Anonymous. The difference is that the just man gets back up and is not shy about speaking the truth (even about his own failures) so as to alert others about the dangers of falling and or not watching where one is walking.
You may want to stop burying your talent for fear of losing it or else it may be taken from you. Kind of like Catholics who water down the Faith through fear only to have it taken from them while they are asleep in the dream of their perceived fidelity.
No, the difference is the just man repents of his sin and makes the dutiful reparation for it.
…. and inventing sins that do not exist – especially in others – is a sin that perhaps you should make a resolution to avoid in future. It could also be a sign of disturbance. You may want to see to it.
Cross-ophobics love to ONLY emphasize that “We are an Easter people” or “We are a Resurrection people.” for a reason. Those who deliberately sacked altars and churches due to compromise will be held accountable by God.
Please see the link below. This is what happens when there is NO emphasis placed on the real meaning of the Cross. The corpus of Jesus is hanging on invisible strings like a marionette. Protestant churches have stained glass crosses on their windows too. Why isn’t Our Lord shown hanging on the wooden cross? Repulsed by the cross instead of being repulsed by sin. Why is that statue of Our Lord so effeminate looking? Our diocese gave permission to a now ex priest who worked in this diocese while living with his homosexual partner AND also being handsomely paid to wreck-ovate other churches throughout the entire U.S. Basta! Whenever there is zero emphasis placed on the Church’s full teaching and meaning of the Cross and an over emphasis on the “We are an Easter people or “We are a Resurrection people.” it is due to a vast Cross-ophobic clique that prefers to pretend that certain sins or certain Catholic teachings don’t exist. All of the happy clappy sounding fluff that is presented in between is a manufactured disguise and a direct robbing of knowledge regarding the FULL SALVIFIC meaning of Christ’s hanging on a cross for our sins. Cross-ophobia is the real problem here and the “We are an Easter People” is the over emphasized smokescreen that is often used to salve one’s conflicted conscience, rationalize particular sins and avoid the reality and the real meaning of the cross…or the necessity of carrying one’s particular cross.
There is indeed a push to eliminate “works” and or “carrying the cross”. Just look at the “new” translations of Mark 9:29 that remakes that which can be expelled only by prayer “and” fasting to only read by prayer.
Seemingly small things make for largely different results – especially when one is combating grave evil.
That is so true, Ann…specially when editing books one can see how people are easily misunderstood because they don’t always grasp simple grammatical rules and their meaning can be taken two ways (or more haha) I’ve used the example of Isaiah where he comes to the Lord and says “Here am I Lord” which is humble…many people say “Here I am Lord” which implies a “ta dah, me first!” attitude. It matters.
Catherine, the Cross is in the stained glass window behind Him.
Your total misunderstanding of the phrase “We are an Easter people.” includes being people of the Cross. It does not equate with any errors that you are troubled by. It is an admonition against fear. Christ lives. Christ is with us. Christ, who loved you so much that He died so that your sins could be forgiven. Christ who asks us to forgive you and we do.
Thank you Ann Malley,
Every facet of Full Truth is under siege by the father lies. That “ages old” deceiver surely has many eager and willing helpers working to strip away important truths and knowledge. Thank you again for pointing out the important omission.
My people have been *SILENT,* because they had no knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will reject thee, that thou shalt not do the office of priesthood to me: and thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget thy children.
GUILT OF PRIEST AND OF PEOPLE
But let no one accuse, let no one rebuke;
with you is my dispute, priest!
You will stumble in the day,
and the prophet will stumble with you at night;
I will make an end of your mother.*
My people are ruined for lack of knowledge!
Since you have rejected knowledge,
I will reject you from serving as my priest;
Since you have forgotten the law of your God,
I will also forget your children.
The word *silent* is removed. Who has been silent? How interesting.
The Evil of Remaining Silent…..”We’ve had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence.” – St. Catherine of Siena
Catherine, I went to the link and also to their Sunday Bulletin. I think the design of the church meets all of the standards for a new church in America, if not the world. The altar looks permanent, you can walk all the way around it, ( a requirement), there is a chair for the Priest and an Ambo. I find it hard to dislike the statue of the risen Christ, but lets chalk that up to a difference in taste. Your use of the term Cross-aphobic is amusing although I know you are sincere in your reason for using the word. I do, however, think that there are lot less conspiracies out there than you do. I don’t know anyone who hates the cross, and I know a number of people who help design and decorate churches. They would be surprised by your assumptions of cabals out there trying to put an end to the cross.
The statue is not of the Risen Christ; it is the Crucified Christ but instead of having the Corpus on the wooden Cross, the Cross is in the window behind Him.
Did you see a picture of the tabernacle?
Ann Malley, that is so ignorant. Bibles are translated from ancient manuscripts. There are variations in them. Many have been discovered in the last 2 centuries. Aside from sending us to a Protestant Bible page, you also neglected to mention that the commentaries include one which says that there is speculation that the last two words were added and are not authentic to the original.
No one has the original so they have to use various copies. The oldest ones are from the 2nd century. There were some ancient Greek manuscripts which were found long after the Vulgate was promulgated. It isn’t wrong to ask the question “Why has this changed? ” but it is wrong to assume that someone changed it with evil intent. That is sinful. Please be more careful and try to learn more about the things you write.
One of the Anonymous posters here told me a while back that he/she had, “…been fighting with Cardinal Burke for years!” This could mean that the poster was fighting in union with the Cardinal or that the same poster had been fighting against the good Cardinal. (Something the poster admitted and apologized for not being clear.)
This is why some, to the misunderstanding of others, always refer back to VII documents that need clarification for they can and are being used to derive two very different meanings resulting in that which is not the same – but completely different. That is why blindly disregarding the obvious weak points and not admitting/correcting errors only allows continued exploitation of the Faith we are called to uphold.
Eats, shoots, and leaves is very different from eats shoots and leaves.
Thanks Catherine and Dana!
Here is quite a video about the people of the Cross…maybe you’ve seen it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSv4vBcFyvo
No matter how you feel about Fr. Barron, his commentary on this moving video is excellent!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHQP8INrV7M
I hope everyone finds the time to watch both!! May God bless and keep you all in the palm of His hand. So much is at stake.
…continued prayers for Fr Barron and all priests as they have the power given by God to lead the faithful toward or away from Him.
Thanks for posting the link, Dana.
A niggling worry though, Ann, is how you’re right about his quoting ‘off’ Catholics…in this case, Tertullian, who became a montanist in contradiction to Church teaching and Hans Urs von Balthasar who is really questionable…it undermines everything else. Also, watch his eyes when he speaks of Balthasar’s name…they shift sideways. Very odd. I suppose I shouldn’t bring such videos, etc. here as they just muddy the water. My brother found the video deeply disturbing…he thought it was probably propaganda from muslims, I think. Think I’d be better off sticking to the subject at hand. heh. My bad.
Sorry, “Bob One,” God may love you at creation, but with bad choices — such as giving in to temptations about homosexual sex, for example — there is every chance that you will be in Hell.
The problem with your views, and that of your pals, such as “Your Fellow Catholic,” is that you refuse to recognize, and order your lives by, Catholic doctrine. You simply refuse to acknowledge sin, and that people that fail to follow the Church will, at some point, be in a bad way with God. Christ repeatedly talked about Hell, over 1/3 of his words involved the need for repentance, and the reality of Hell (and difficulty of getting into Heaven). This is reality, not your smarmy, supercilious attitudes about what is acceptable behavior and how some (very few any more) priests are “mean” and “discriminate”.
And, no, it does not matter what Pope Francis says. We do not worship the Pope, but God and His Son, Jesus Christ. Things are really pretty clear.
St. C, enough already. I order my entire life and that of my family, when they were children to Catholic doctrine. I acknowledge sin which is why I go to the sacrament of reconciliation on a regular basis, it is why I attend Mass weekly, it is why I am very involved in my parish and why I try to work in a homeless dinning room on a weekly basis. There is no one who knows me well who would call me anything but a “conservative Catholic”, although I think orthodox would be a better word. Frankly, it is getting a bit boring reading your accusations that you are one of the very few who will be called to enter through the narrow gate. As an aside, it does matter what Pope Francis says, just as it mattered what his predecessors said. He is the Vicar of Christ on Earth, and he has never made one comment that is not if full support of all that the Church teaches. Yes, we have been saved by Christ’s death on the cross for our sins and by His resurrection we are a renewed people. That is what being a Christian is all about, our close relationship with our Savior. Just for yuk yuks, please stop telling people they are not Catholic. It’s not your call.
“Bob One” — there are so many, many people now who are self-professed “faithful” to the Church. Yet, more and more “Catholics” than ever refuse to acknowledge basic Catholic doctrine and knowledge and beliefs. Look at “public” Catholics like Bret Baier (Fox News) who canceled his speaking engagement at a conservative Catholic event because it also included a speaker against homosexual sex (and Bret said that he did not want any of that).
Your constant words suggest Catholic pabulum, and apologetics to the modern of life. Who knows if you are truly Faithful? Who knows if what you do is consistent with Catholicism, but you consistently question, and tamp down any enthusiasm for Catholic Tradition and beliefs (e.g., always talking about how bad things were before Vatican II, which is demonstrably untrue).
No man can say whether any other man is saved, or not; that is up to God. But to many Vatican II’ers, there is no real Catholic Faith, just some mish-mash that they chatter through on Sunday (and no one better say anything against a wide-variety of “sexual ethics” things that they believe are now “settled”; just take a look at the fuss in San Francisco for speaking Orthodoxy).
But, we have a clue what is going to happen to many of such folks: “But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.” Apocalypse of St. John 3:16 (DRA). The Faith is what is important (and, no modern Pope was more ignored, and disobeyed, by his own bishops and cardinals than Benedict XVI; what Frances says that is against the Faith is wrong and must be ignored; he is not free of error if he fails to heed the Holy Ghost).
Bob One, thank you for your post. I really think you are treated very unfairly but people don’t they don’t like the Church, they aren’t going to like faithful Catholics.
You and Abeca Christian are two examples of faithful Catholics amid a sea of cafeteria Catholics, schismatics, and anti-Catholics.
CCC: ” 1169 Therefore Easter is not simply one feast among others, but the “Feast of feasts,” the “Solemnity of solemnities,” just as the Eucharist is the “Sacrament of sacraments” (the Great Sacrament).
St. Athanasius calls Easter “the Great Sunday” and the Eastern Churches call Holy Week “the Great Week.”
The mystery of the Resurrection, in which Christ crushed death, permeates with its powerful energy our old time, until all is subjected to him. ”
There are 22 paragraphs in the CCC about “Easter”. All equate to a specific time of year, and a specific liturgy that is used.
And includes what date Easter is celebrated – CCC 1170.
And we must receive the Eucharist during the Easter Season.
Easter is not a year long event within the Church.
The problem with the Pope is that he often states that “God loves you,” and “God loves you, just as you are,” which is true! But what is the whole teaching, on God’s Love?? The Pope left that out! Our mothers love us too, exactly as we are! But do we not try to also give our mothers love and respect, and try to be on good behavior?? Don’t we care? Are we SPOILED BRATS, and IMMATURE?? Are we not supposed to LOVE and RESPECT God, and thus, rectify our sins?? Sin is the “disease,” that separates us from God! The concept of Love, is accurate– but Love also means, RESPECT and RESPONSIBILITY, to the ONE you say you “love!” Otherwise– you will be separated from the one you are PRETENDING to love, by your abuses, misdeeds, and sins (including your own Mother!) and this could, in extreme cases– result in ETERNAL separation! Is that what we want??
I’m guessing that if Pope Francis wanted to show support for Archbishop Cordilone, he would canonize Junipero Serra here in California. At the Mission named after Francis.
No. He is cannonizing him on the East Coast, which Serra never ever saw. ‘Pope Francis snubs Cordileone’, the headline should read.
Michael Sean Winters would have us all believe that the rules that apply for the rest of Catholic diocese, are different than the rules that apply for the San Francisco Diocese. Don’t you know how special they are?
California Family Council posted this timely notice – Pray it is heeded, tell others about it:
ACTION ALERT: Help needed NOW to protect Pregnancy Resource Centers (plus, other religious freedom and parental rights bills)
California Family Alliance email@example.com
AB 775, a punitive bill that forces pro-life Pregnancy Resource Centers (PRCs) across the state to advertise abortion services, has a hearing next Tuesday, 04/28 in the Assembly Judiciary Committee. Your letters of opposition are needed before 4 p.m. Tuesday, 04/21.
Jonathan Keller, Executive Director of California Family Alliance and our sister organization, California Family Council, said the bill would essentially “turn every Pregnancy Care Center in the state into state-mandated referral service for abortions.”
As currently amended, the bill would force over 160 PRCs in California to use their lobbies, websites, forms and literature to promote state-funded “free” abortions, a direct violation of the moral standards of most PRCs. Violators face heavy fines of $500-$1,000 for each infraction.
Heather Hacker, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom, told Keller READ MORE
Here you are again calling people names who disagree with you Bob One. I read the lives of the saints, and I am trying to improve my life daily by prayer, mortification, and the reception of the Sacraments. I am not arrogant, I am an active Roman Catholic, who tries to avoid sin. And I know my faith ! All those who disagree with church teaching are NOT Catholic. They are cafeteria Catholics, or neo-Catholics, or Cinos. Just as I cannot be a man, nor can I be a Moslem and a Catholic at the same time, a loyal Catholic cannot be an active dissenter against the unchangeable doctrine and morality that Holy Mother Church teaches .As soon as I breathe my last and die, I shall no longer be alive on this earth. I cannot be alive and dead at the same time. The same is true about a cafeteria Catholic. That person is no longer a member in good standing in the Catholic Church, but is a heretic or a schematic, or an apostate. That person cannot be two things that are opposed to each other at the same time. Ave Maria Purrissima !
Well said, Jesuita! You speak with such clarity and charity!
“We are the Easter people and hallelujah is our song.”
Pope SAINT John Paul II :)
Where is the link?
Due to some of your errors you must always provide documentation to be believed.
Was the quote from Eastertime only, or during the middle of the year?
Pope Saint Paul II delivered this insight when talking about those who give in to despair – he said “no.”
“Do not abandon yourselves to despair. We are the Easter people and hallelujah is our song.”
― Pope John Paul II
Anyone who thinks Cardinal “Darth Vader” Levada is OF THE LEFT is insane.
His arrival in our Archdiocese was like having an I.R.S. audit!!!!
One good Bishop, like Abp. Cordileone, can keep the true Catholic Church alive for a significant time. I thank God for his appointment.
They bark, the caravan moves on.
Some of those who write for The National Catholic Reporter are neo-Modernist heretics. Michael Sean Winters is not one of them. However he is a Catholic, not a conservative, so those whose conservatism trumps their Catholicism don’t like him. Here are some edifying lines from his April 20th appreciation of the late great Cardinal George:
Soon after his arrival in Chicago, detractors took to calling Cardinal George “Francis the Corrector,” but there was much to correct in the Church in the mid-1990s. Cardinal George, like the pope who appointed him, was not afraid to draw lines of demarcation, identifying what was and was not truly Catholic. It is a thankless task but one which we ignore at our peril. We are also called to build bridges and Cardinal George succeeded in that task too at the local level even if he failed to do so nationally. Nonetheless, the Church was well served by his ministry and leadership. . . . Cardinal George was not the only intellectual light in the U.S. Church leadership, but he brought intellectual sophistication to the issues the conference faced. And, in Chicago, many, many people came to know him and to love him. His was a consequential life and most of the consequences were happy ones, especially those far from the spotlight, the acts of kindness and pastoral care. He was tough, and no one survives as Archbishop of Chicago who isn’t tough. But, his love for the One whose burden is light shone through.
From what I have heard from several trustworthy priests, who had Cardinal Levada for a professor in the seminary, he was fairly conservative compared to the other radical teachers. But look at what conservative means today, and what it meant forty years ago. Obviously conservatives are a lot more liberal today than they were when Pope Paul VI was pontiff. According to traditional Catholics today, Cardinal Levada is very liberal, just as much so as Cardinal Mahoney, but he is much more clever and discrete, and is a very deceptive. Read several books about sodomy in the priesthood if you doubt me. Ave Maria Purrissima !
So I started on your post agreeing with you and then you veered into some space planet that even Star Trek fans couldn’t recognize.
Levada WAS dreaded by liberals in SF when he was appointed the AB. And Levada is now heralded as the most liberal of the most liberal on sites like CCD. So yes, the episcopate and those who appoint them have moved to the right. Got it. On that we are agreed. If SF liberals thought Levada was too conservative, and he is now too liberal, the blogosphere if not the parishoners, have moved to the right. No question.
Deceptive? Discrete? Clever (with the intent to deceive)? Sodomy?
Your good and observational post went off the rails somewhere along the way.
I just saw Cardinal Levada and there was nothing contrary to the Catholic Faith in his presentation.
Pope Benedict XVI personally selected him to be his replacement as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
Cardinal Ratzinger was considered a liberal, too. Although for some, he was too conservative.
The use of those labels is completely subjective.
What specifically are you accusing Cardinal Levada of?
In addition to this, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger was appointed to head the Committee that developed the Catechism of the Catholic Church, he appointed Cardinal Levada to be one of the seven bishops on the editorial committee responsible for overseeing the drafts of the Catechism.
“…like having an I.R.S. audit” – Anonymous Harpy Troll
To openly trash the Church & Arch-Bishop, while Cravenly Hiding behind the pretense that “Our Archdiocese” is full of ‘Anonymous’ Anti-Catholic mau mau artistes – Demanding the Church Conform to their Gaystapo Agenda…
Is Typical = Of the dirty birdies who are the Resident Harpies who roost here, the better to soil what they cannot create themselves – a Work of Great Good (with some human failings) like the Catholic Church has been and always struggles To Be.
And what an example – the IRS; which under the ObamAcorns used their Raw Power to Target the political Un-Good.
Hiding emails and lying to Congress in the best tradition of the Demicrat Machine that put POTUS Barry ‘on the Down Low’ Soetoro in office, and now wants to install Hitlary of Rodham and bring back Bill, with or without Monica by his side.
That Catholics are imperfect is a given, and few live entirely Sainted lives from start to finish, which is why the Sacrament of Reconciliation is so important. But to outright Publicly Trash the Teachings of the Church on Marriage and Gender and expect to feed off the donations of the Faithful, shows a Disordered ‘mentality’ unfit to teach in Catholic Schools or Lead Catholic Ministries.
But then the Harpies already knew that – and it is simply Spite that keeps them swooping in here to dive bomb this board with their (excremental) Anti-Catholic – ‘Alinskyite’ Screeching & scams.
To an extent, we shall be “Easter” people, but that will occur only after we die in the state of sanctifying grace, and are rewarded with the Beatific Vision.. At the present moment, while we are mortals here on earth, we are Good Friday people, because we are tempted, and we suffer, and we shall die. That is why we pray to Our Lady: ” Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death” because at death comes our strongest temptation to renounce God and despair. F.Y.I. This is the main reason why Thomas a’Kempis was never made a saint. He was buried alive, and scratch marks were found on the top cover of his coffin. Holy Mother Church cannot prove that he did not commit the sin of despair while he clawed his coffin.
Oh, my!! That is so sad, Fr Karl. On a happier note I wanted to mention they’re raising money at lifesitenews.com to publish a fell page ad supporting your good archbishop. I was much saddened to see Bp. Finn was forced to resign by the pope today. So unjust!!
Dana, if Bishops who allowed Priest who molested children are not held accountable then the Church has no credibility on this issue. Bishop Finn was not only in violation of Church standards, but was found guilty in court of not notifying the police in a timely manner as the law requires. I think that he is the first to go and more will follow if they are found guilty. Although it is sad that a Bishop would violate the law in such a way, his going, I think, is just and long overdue. He didn’t have the graciousness to resign in a timely fashion, so they had to kick him out. That is what is sad.
No, Bob One, what is sad is that regular Catholics are being bamboozled into believing the Church is upholding the no tolerance for sexual abusers by pressuring Bishop Finn to resign when down in South America a priest who facilitated the actual “physical” abuse of minors just got elevated to the position of Bishop.
So the idea that “more will follow” is a wonderful smokescreen as those who have different agendas, not traditional, are raised to positions of power despite the actual testimony of abused minors – the same minors whose abuse led to the removal of the perp.
Selective rigorousness is a tool, friend, and one that is being wielded mercilessly to rid the episcopacy of those who do not choose to dialogue with pervasive evils. Especially those which were promoted as providing “support” at the ’14 Synod.
But you are correct, Bob One, in that allowing such shenanigans and looking the other way – even if those doing so reside at the Vatican – tends to undermine any sort of credibility. Much like the notion of being more merciful than Christ.
This was on one of my favorite web posts today on Bishop Finn. https://www.onepeterfive.com/what-about-the-rest-of-bishop-finns-story/ Remember Rosalynn Moss, the Jewish convert who started a new Cath. Order of nuns? It was Bp Finn who gave them a start. Too bad an unethical, really unprofessional and undeniably unCatholic ‘newspaper’ dubbed the Fishwrap by Fr Z, is in Bp Finn’s diocese. It shows what traitorous and seditious people can do when they’re determined, and Catholic leadership is weak and tainted with the same secular brush. And to have to hear the same swill from self-described Catholics on this website is really ‘annoying’. Catherine, you can pretty much say what you want to B.O and it won’t make a dent…a heart so ‘seared and bleared’ with errors is strong as steel, not even susceptible to the kryptonite of Truth, apparently.
Great posts Ann Malley and Dana. I also agree with you Dana about B.O. Yes, “seared and bleared” indeed and he has a posting history pattern of letting everyone know how how close he is with his other “seared and bleared’ friends who wreck ovate Catholic churches. There is also a pattern of “all of the sudden trying to sound like a Traditional Catholic family man, (while mocking faithful Cardinals) right after he and YFC have been exposed. The dent is obvious. My dear mother used to say. “There is some yeast missing” Christ HAS risen but our trolls are incapable of rising to hear the truth when they obstinately work to enable “seared and bleared’ buddies.
This post wounds so many people. The person who wrote it, the person written about, and all those who read it. Jesus will heal the wounds of the victim first. Then if those who read it refuse to be lulled into this person’s sin, God will heal them. It is the one who wrote it who will have to repent, confess, do penance and make reparation by apologizing to her victim and restoring his good name on this public website before Jesus will heal her and she may always have the scar. Those who participate in this person’s sin by Consent or Silence or Praise or by defense will also need to repent. Unfortunate we all participate in it so posts like this turn what could be a holy website into a slimy bog of sin.
Bob One, you have been treated unjustly. I hope all good Christians who witness this will try to defend you. Even if they don’t know you, they know this person is a liar and a thief. Stealing ones reputation is considered by the Lord to be worse than stealing material goods.
Dirty posts like this require a rebuke or God is not please with us.
If you’re referring to me, anon, I certainly did not mean any personal aspersion to Bob’s reputation. It shows the power of poetry however…my words in themselves would have been as water off a duck’s back, but by using the phrase “seared and bleared” from a Hopkins’ poem…”And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil’ I added a megaton of meaning. Words and combinations of words are condensed and powerful in poetry and using them in conversation is like using a Howitzer in a fistfight. My bad. The power of words can heal or wound and my intention was never to wound Bob. He certainly has my apology if he wants one. As to you anonymous, and to all who use the moniker…to me you are the white mask, a symbol of those who must be disguised. If you’ve noticed I never respond to those who have no name. This is an exception. I won’t do so again until you man up and use an identifying word or name…even if it’s John Doe. Even those who work with the dead in mortuaries give the unidentified victim a name. Also, your post was extremely mean-spirited and I am sorry I brought out siuch animosity in one so above it all and free of sin. I certainly do not want to lead any to sin from my words! Pray for me as I pray for you, my fellow Catholic!
Dana, I was not referring to you.
I am not the white mask of anonymous.
I just don’t fill in the name field.
You are not supposed to be mean to people. My post was not mean-spirited. It was reminding people that it is a grievous sin to slander and libel and calumnize and there are consequences (eternal and temporal) for doing it. The person who listens to (reads) it, is just as guilty as the person who speaks it. The website is a participant in it. And no, there is no free speech pass. Not in God’s Kingdom.
There is a great temptation to misuse one’s tongue (or keyboard.)
You started a post with an apology and ended it with more sin. Your mocking of me is a sin. If you don’t want to talk to me because I don’t meet your standards, that makes you unchristian.
Why do people here ignore the very fundamentals of Christian morality?
God is willing to forgive. He wants to forgive and to bless and to heal. but you do have to be sorry for your sins.
Well, this is definitely my LAST post, anon. One: so much for the efficacy of poetry in demolishing an antagonistic and quarrelsome person in a discussion. Two: we all pretty much figured it out that you didn’t go to all the trouble of typing in anonymous. Three: I was not mocking you, believe me. Four: You need to look in the mirror and ask, “Why am I such a prickly, pickly, poobah and see slights and evils where none exist?” And Five and lastly: If you type a name and email address on the blank lines a cookie is planted in your computer and you don’t have to retype againuntil you clean out your cookie cache. Pretty simple.
Physician heal thyself. Also… Please do not accuse Sacred Scripture of wounding people. That’s one of the excuses/reasons why the rainbow bible came into being. A softer fantasy version of reality and truth.
B.O. needs to apologize for lying and telling everyone how “conservative” or “orthodox’ he is while duplicitously slinging arrows of insults about lacy tablecloth vestments and losing credibility among the 98% Not once has there been an “anonymous” poster requiring B. O. to apologize for “drive by digs’ aimed at the same Cardinal. If Bob One “truly” thinks that he is orthodox then yes, there is a big huge batch of yeast missing when it come to the ability to connect the dots.
Douay-Rheims Bible 1 Timothy 4:2
“Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared”
There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
Catherine, there was no Sacred Scripture in your post. And Dana said the quote came from a poem, not 1 Tim.
St Gregory the Great says “When we injure others what else do we do but scatter dust in the air, which blinds our eyes, so that we see less of the truth, the more evil we speak of others.”
Scripture is a double edged sword. Of course it wounds but it also binds up.
I am not sure what the expression having yeast missing is supposed to mean but it sounds very judgmental and arrogant.
I do not see anything sinful in Bob One’s post about the Cappa Magna.. He did not mock Cardinal Burke. I do not see anything that Bob One has posted that is not in conformity with the Catholic Church. So then, he is orthodox (because that is the meaning of orthodox.)
As far as I can tell you are simply committing calumny.
You seem to have gotten ticked off about him mentioning that he learned the Baltimore Catechism. We all learned from the Baltimore Catechism. (All of us of a certain age.) Saying that he mentioned it to deceive people is a sin. What would he possibly be trying to deceive people about?
I know there are people here who do not like Bob One. They do not like the Catholic Church or the Novus Ordo Church or the Church of Nice or whatever insults they use to defame and show their disdain for God’s Holy Church (or their false impressions of the Church.).
I am not challenging you to prove that Bob One ever said anything against any of the Church’s teaching because in this context, if you did that, it would be a sin. But I do not think he has.
To exaggerate and to give out as certain what is uncertain or doubtful is a form of lying and calumny.
James 4:11Do not speak evil against one another, brethren. He that speaks evil against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?
Luke 17:3 tells us to rebuke the sinner and forgive them when they repent.
Calumny, detraction and gossip are very common sins and they have even more power to travel and spread injustice in this age of the internet.
Instead of feeling misjudged or criticized a Christian appreciates the admonishment because they do not want to do evil, even unknowlngly.
It was a travesty what was done to Bishop Finn. Here is a farewell video to a faithful, saintly bishop. I’m sure only those who truly believe in authentic Catholic teaching will bother watching it, and those who do not want know part of truth and fairness but I’m presenting it here anyway. https://www.gloria.tv/media/1e9B8K7yo1Z
Stay til the end…the music and art is a wonderful tribute. Please pray for Bishop Finn. May satan be bound.
Oops. “No” part :)
….thank you for the link, Dana.
And for Anonymous: God sees you, too. Something you seem to forget and/or dismiss as you pursue rhetoric in lieu of truth.
You don’t accept the Bible as truth?
You don’t accept Catholic Tradition as truth?
Why are you even reading this website?
Of curse, God sees me and He sent me.
Sin is rampant, even among Catholics.
People who are faithful in some things are unfaithful in others.
Many good Catholics have holes in their understanding of the Faith because they have never read the CCC or the Bible and they were not adequately instructed at home.
Bishop Finn is a very good priest and person.
He did make a mistake.
The priest was not accused of molesting children but of having child porn.
Anonymous by viewing and seeking out child porn is already participating in molesting children. Those are sins with the eyes and it also promotes masterbation. Its downright evil and sick. Its disgusting that anyone would tone this heinous act on children by stating he made a mistake. Putting too much salt on accident on your food is a mistake but seeking out and viewing child porn isnt. Lord help us. This society is backwards. What a wicked society we live in.
Bishop Finn did not use child porn. He was convicted of not reporting a priest who had it on his computer. It is a misdemeanor.
He made the mistake of sending him for counseling and giving him an assignment away from children. He eventually was turned in because he disobeyed his bishop.
And actually, I did not know this when I posted before, the priest was convicted of attempting to make child porn. In most of the photos, the children were fully clothed but the pictures focused on the crotch area of the children.. There was not sexual activity in the photos.
He received a 50 year sentence.
Bishop Finn NEVER had any child porn.
It was a mistake on the Bishop’s part, not to report immediately to police.
Father, I think that story about Thomas a Kempis is an internet hoax.
The biographies I have seem from before the internet existed do not contain that story.
You can find online a copy of a book called Thomas a Kempis and the Brothers of the Common Life. His disinterment is detailed on page 386.
Is it a coincidence?
You post a story from a paper that has been told to not use the word Catholic in its name because it is not faithful to the Church.
You post a story that criticizes faithful men like Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Rigali.
And the comment section devolves into a series of sins.
The light in the loafers crowd likes to ridicule and insult traditional values. As Catholics we are supposed to practice charity, and not be mean and nasty.
“The priest was not accused of molesting children but of having child porn.” Anonymous Harpy Troll
This is the same type argument used to Censor the Larry Brinkin Racist Pederast Toddler Rape Ring (apparently run out of the ‘in-human-rights’ pork project in Sodom by the Sea – Sparky the Drag Queen chief bull in charge) – that trafficking in Images of Toddler Boy Rape is not connected to the Actual Rape of Boys, but rather just a ‘video’ game for amusement of the ‘Big Happy’ Gaystapo.
After all – just because one has a bloody knife dripping the victims’ blood covered with their fingerprints, doesn’t necessarily mean they stabbed anyone, and it would be ‘intolerant’ to try and link the two – although that is certainly considered by the politically Un-Good as a reasonable presumption needing further investigation – which is Verboten by said Gaystapo of course.
However – with Brinkin (as other Homosex Pederast Frisco Icons like Allen Ginsberg, Harry Hay, Harvey Milk..) the ‘investigation’ was more of a coverup, drawn out and heavily censored for years- until After the Presidential / State Elections (thus sparing Brink’s Disciples – Senator Mark “Kiddie Porn King” Leno and his coprophile constituents any embarrassing questions) – then resulting in a light Plea Deal where he keeps his Big City Pension because it wasn’t “Moral Turpitude”…
Rape of Boys – Just isn’t that big a deal in bastions of ‘tolerance’ like Sodom by the Sea – as it pleases the Twysted Sisterhood to see young Boys indoctrinated in to such behaviors as their ‘revenge’ on the hated “Herero-Patriarchy”, and it gives the “Kiddie Porn King” Leno Posse lots of amusement – at the expense of Boys that nobody cares about anyway – even if Rank Racism is involved too.
SAN FRANCISCO’S GAY ICON LARRY BRINKIN GUILTY OF FELONY CHILD PORN POSSESSION
HOMOSEXUAL HRC FOUNDER (Terry Bean) ARRESTED FOR RAPING 15-YEAR-OLD BOY
It was a factual correction. Maybe facts don’t matter to you. Go figure. And I am not gay.
And the child porn on the priest’s computer was of underage females. So he wasn’t gay either.