The following comes from a May 23 statement from the pro-family OnMyHonor.Net.
“It is with great sadness and deep disappointment that we recognize on this day that the most influential youth program in America has turned a tragic corner. The vote today to allow open and avowed homosexuality into Scouting will completely transform it into an unprincipled and risky proposition for parents. It is truly a sad day for Scouting….
The saddest part of today’s decision is what the organization is teaching our children and young people in the program.
The BSA is teaching our kids that when your values become unpopular, just change them.
The BSA is teaching our kids that when your convictions are challenged, just cave to peer pressure.
The BSA is teaching our kids that public opinion polls are more important than principles.
Today, the BSA is teaching our kids that you should not stand up for what is right instead you should stand up for what is popular….
What kind of a message are we sending to young people about being brave when its top adult leaders don’t even have the courage to stand up to the pressure of a militant lobby when the bullies in Washington DC, Hollywood or even some of their own renegade councils start pressuring and harassing them?
Each and every one of the thousands of Scouting families that have supported and followed our movement must now make a very difficult decision. We respect the right for each parent and family to decide whether they will continue their membership in the Boy Scouts of American or not.
Many, like me and my family, cannot continue to support an organization more concerned with the intolerant demands of activists while compromising the safety and security of the young people they swore to serve. In July of last year, after a two-year study from 2010 to 2012, the BSA’s eleven-member task force unanimously concluded that their existing policy on this issue was “the absolute best policy for the Boy Scouts of America.” Suddenly, less than a year later, that is abruptly reversed.
We hoped to keep sex and politics out of Scouting. Now we grieve for those young boys who will not have the wonderful traditions and experiences that so many of us have had in Scouting.
Despite this setback, we will look to the future. I am pleased to announce that OnMyHonor.Net along with other like-minded organizations, parents and BSA members, are announcing a coalition meeting that will take place next month in Louisville, Kentucky. There we will discuss the creation of a new character development organization for boys. While the meeting will be private, your voice is very important to us and will be represented there….
To read the entire statement, click here.
If you want to destroy society, begin with the youth. Brainwash them, and fill them with evil and corrupt morals, and then society will crumble. The Girl Scouts have been doing this for quite some time, and now the men are following in this work of the devil. Let us pray to Almighty God that He will give the grace to the youth not to follow the ways of the wicked. Our Lady of Fatima said that sins against purity offend God a great deal. God will not be mocked. Our society may disappear, but in the end, the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph. May God have mercy on us!
Father Karl, I hope you agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church statement that homosexual persons should be treated with respect and compassion and not discriminated against. Boys with a homosexual orientation should not be discriminated against, they should be allowed in the boy scouts. I noted a statement from some religious leaders criticizing this decision by the Boy Scouts but noted that no Catholic leaders signed it. So it seems to me that the Catholic Church is against discrimination against these children.
PA the good Father knows more than you. You have already admitted that you support gay marriage (so called) and have not problem with sodomy so long as its in a monogamous relationship. PA you want nothing less than full acceptance of homosexuality by the Church, it should be opposed on every front and condemned at every opportunity.
Fr Karl is correct according to Church doctrine. St Paul tells us that sodomy is the consequence of sin. So the new Boy Scout policy of sodomy is ok is the consequence of sin. Thus, the Boy Scout leadership is endorsing sin and its consequences. BTW, PA, Jesus never said anything about discrimination, but He did tell us that anyone who harms one of His little ones has a handbasket with millstone awaiting him or her. Your advocacy, PA, is injurious to young people, and makes you a doomed man.
Skai, the fullness of revelation is also contained in the CCC, which you conveninetly brush aside to come to the concusions you do at 9 12 pm. Please consult all of church teaching. And by the way, do you REALLY need to comment on every single post on CCD?
Dingbat Anonymous, how many times do you have to have it explained to you that Revelation is not a book but an event?
The CCC is a book. But it is a book that transmits the Divine Truth given to the apostles and handed down through the centuries. It is “totally reliable way to present, with renewed ferver, each and every part of the Christian message to the people of our time.” (John Paul II Laetamur Manopere 1997) It cites Sacred Scripture; Documents from the Ecumenical Councils of the Church from Nicaea I in the year 325 through Vatican II in 1962-1965; Particular Councils and Synods from the first millenia of Christianity; Pontifical Documents (from Damasus I in the 4th century to John Paul II in the 20th century); Ecclesiastical Documents including the Roman Catechism (also known as the Catechism of Pius V or the Catechism of Trent); Canon Law; the Liturgy of both the Latin and Eastern Rites and Ecclesiastical Writers (quotations from the Saints.) It is a book, a precious book. It was compiled at the request of the bishops of the Catholic Church after the Synod of Bishops convoked by Pope John Paul II in 1985 to mark the close of the Second Vatican Council.
k, books do not and cannot transmit anything. They are inanimate objects.
k, you and Anonymous, after a long time and many explanatory posts, demonstrate that you have the Protestant and not the Catholic mentality, because you believe that printed material is divine. Some of the protestants have a motto, “The Bible, the whole Bible, and nothing but the Bible”, and believe that it transmits the absolute truth to them, no matter how many different interpretations they entertain … this leads to relativism. And, k, you have had this relativism in your posts pointed out to you by several bloggers over the past couple years on this site.
Skai, I am not a protestant. Learn the Catholic Faith and stop accusing people who catch you in your infidelity of being heretics and idolaters.
k, you and other liberals who blog on this site exalt yourselves and various books over Jesus. You do this by the Protestant error that refuses belief in the Holy Eucharist as the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ … and the fact that the faithful who eat this become one with God. You exalt your authority and your books together over the union of God and the faithful souls in union with Him. You pay lip service to prayer, and treat prayer as if it were a telephone call or letter or email sent to God. This attitude has been perfected by the Protestants and has infected Catholicism. Also, k, what “infidelity” are you accusing me of being caught in? If this is true, then you have an obligation to inform me of it so that I can turn away from it. I explain everything I post when challenged to do so; you liberals and gay apologists typically refuse to do so. And even at times when you put up one of your feeble attempts, you end up fading away anyway.
Skai, I am not liberal. I do not exalt myself over Jesus. I do not exalt books over Jesus. I believe that the Holy Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. The terminology that the Church uses is that we are united with Christ. Prayer is a dialogue with God. Your infidelities include distortions of Holy Scripture (man is supposed to judge or condemn; homosexuality is caused by sin or idolatry), attacks on the faith (your insults of the Catechism of the Catholic Church are Legion) and the faithful, your constant degradation of the Bishops and distortions of the Pope’s statements. You are corrected by many people. If someone has already corrected you, I leave it alone. I have never seen you accept the admonishment. I will not argue with you. If you have been told and remain steadfast in your error, no one is obligated to tell you twice. You usually respond with some insult.
k you are one to talk…..save us the victim role here and leave Skai alone….
My accuser is here.
Skai there are inspirational ones….
Skai be careful in some of your comments they may give off the wrong impression….
So Skai, do you believe that any boy who is a sinner should be banned from the Boy Scouts?
Ol’ bait and switch PA, sodomy is the consequence of sin. Where sodomy is, there is the tail end of sin. It is necessary to keep the sin trail and its snakes away from boys. This bears directly on the issue of sinners vs repentant sinners: You, PA, for example, are a sinner who refuses to repent and continues to advocate all sin, by advocating the consequence of all sin. You should have nothing at all to do with children.
k, The CCC is the catechism of the non binding Second Vatican Council and it distorts the councils teachings.
Warren Goddard, thank you for your post. It is what Catholics are obligated to believe. It has been declared a sure norm by Blessed Pope John Paul II.
Correction and apology to Fr. Karl, for my attitudinally arrogant post “Fr Karl is correct according to Church doctrine.” What I should have said, is that my understanding of Church doctrine agrees with what Fr. Karl has posted.
This all came about because the BSA thought it needed so called Industry Leaders on its Board, and that opened the way for the infiltration of rot from Corporations such as ATT and I think Microsoft. We have been betrayed by jerks who think nothing of the Scout Oath and Law. That will be probably be changed as it is already in the works in England.
We never asked a boy if he was SSA, we only took action when he made it completely obvious by his own actions!
I hope and pray that Dr. Taylor Marshall who is proposing a replacement organization of Boys modeled to honor St. George.
I have cried many a tear from my once beloved BSA.
Mark from PA, YOUR ARE ONE VERY MORALLY SICK COOKIE! Were you ever even a Scout?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
The Boy Scouts have a right and obligation to discriminate against homosexual behavior. It’s for the protection of the boys. It is intrinsically evil. It leads to a life of destruction and death. He hurts families and communities. It hurts children. If people have “problems,” that is one thing. It is something that should be discussed in private with a medical professional. Homosexuality should be “celebrated.” It should not be encouraged. It should not be promoted. It should be seen as an evil temptation that should be dealt with through prayer and counseling. And, let’s be honest here: If a boy has a sexual desire toward another boy, and that boy is put in a group with boys, what do you think is going to happen? Now add a man (leader) who is attracted to little boys? The whole BSA situation is going to explode in lawsuits. Gonna happen. But in the end, that doesn’t matter because what the Gay Mafia wants, the Gay Mafia gets.
Yours is an excelletn post, Noelle, except that I think you meant “Homosexuality shoud NOT be “celebrated” instead of “should be celebrated”. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Law suits mean lotsa money for lawyers and judges and court personnel … another way to decrease unemployment. The brilliance of the executive members of the Boy Scouts, who make extreme salaries, is once again reflected by this historically great move to save society from itself by lining their pockets for our benefit.
Yes that is true Noelle but the Gay Mafia has been harassing them for years…to be they didn’t persevere.
I agree. Homosexuals deserve the same respect as any other citizen. But I reserve the right to keep my children away from them as far as possible. If that maakes me a bigot, so be it. Sodomy is sodomy. It is pitiable condition. It does not seem fair for some among us to be so afflicted. The best any homosexual should expect from normal people is benign tolerance. When they ask for applause and approbation, they clearly overshoot the mark. It is their aggrewssive ans arrogant behavior that is provoking a long overdue backlash.
To note: This may surprise PA and jon and YFC and k and even JonJ, but in my day to day face to face interactions with homosexuals I engage them in a business like manner and do not indulge in an attitude that would attack them. This does not mean that these homosexuals perceive my attitude or interaction well … but that is the result of their depravity infecting their emotional and mental well being and rational behavior and ability to perceive reality.
It’s like dealing with a serpent, where one needs to be very very cautious.
What is this respect people are talking about now a days….hmmmm seems like it’s the kind of respect that our Lord wants no part in it…true respect, the real definition ….ask our Lord…..
Heterosexuality obeys the natural law and deserves the respect it was ordained.
Sexuality should not even be discussed in the Boy Scouts. That is the whole point. These are young boys or teens. They should not be there to date girls or other boys, but to do virtuous things together and learn skills.
AMEN Father Karl! You are right on!
PA is a dissenter when it comes to sodomy and homosexual lifestyles, who cares what he thinks on this sort of morality….I hate hypocrisy. …
KEEP PREACHING THE TRUTH Father Karl….your real rewards are in heaven…ignore the swine that try to sway people.
Abeca Christian, so kids that some people consider to be “swine” should not be allowed in the Boy Scouts?
PA it’s apparently tht you don’t know what “swine” is meant and how it is used in it actual context…you just made a very illogical comment…..no one said that…..keep trying…Mr. Confusion..
Well Abeca Christian, perhaps you think I don’t know what “swine” means in the context you used but I don’t think you used it as a compliment. It reminded me of how in the 1930’s and 1940’s some German people referred to Polish people as “swine.” The usage puts down people as dirty.
PA rise up to the occasion and open your eye’s lad…your spiritual eyes…that is if you have any good sense in you tis all.
I did not see the word swine used anywhere.
maybe another disappearing post?
Anton, I first used Christ words on another article to get across what dissenters from Church teaching were doing on this blog. His words to his Apostles and followers were, “Do not cast your pearls beore swine for they will turn and rend you.” He also said such things as, “Do not give the children’s food to the dogs.” Which has a similar meaning as what I posted below.
Anton that is because PA brought it up….
No one said children are swine. When Christ referred to swine and dogs, he was talking about adults who refused to accept his moral teachings when they were told again and again they were wrong by his Apostles and their successors. He meant not to even bother to discuss it with some people after awhile because they will only “tear you apart” like swine and dogs can and often do, and as you just did to Abeca.
And to Fr. Karl.
Exactly Anne T….but these gay advocates keep just twisting things to discredit the true cause here……plus swine is not bad when it is correctly implemented as in the holy scriptures have noted….the adults are the ones who are the culprits in many agenda driven causes away from God. So why fear the word swine….
but place it where it truly belongs not on twisted comments such as PA like us all to believe…God have mercy!
This was in reply to Mark PA’s comments to Fr. Karl and Abeca.
Thank you Anne T….God bless you for your support.
There is no such thing as a homosexual identity, there are people with an attraction to people of the same sex. Homosexuality is acting on those deviant attractions. To say that a boy of eleven or twelve is homosexual is ridiculous. Children who say that are being swayed — by adults — either through sex ed that encourages sex experimentation from early elementary age or through corruption by pederasts. In either case, allowing your young children to associate with these kids is dangerous. You wouldn’t want your children associating with a group of kids who went out shoplifting. Why on earth would you want your kids associating with kids who are being groomed for sodomy?
I feel sorry for the children; they are victims of our culture of death. Nevertheless, those who identify as homosexuals are dangerous companions and parents who love their young children would be wise to avoid contact with them. You can treat someone kindly without being his best buddy. The schools being what they are, however, fleeing is a good strategy.
AMEN Mary Ann! I agree with you….those teens are not homosexuals but they are “gay’s because that is what that agenda has labeled them to help carry out their agenda! They define themselves as gay because adults are using them to be their voice, they are scandalizing their souls. We need to pity those who are scandalizing our youth, for they will have a huge consequence ahead of them with they meet up with our Lord on judgement day! But in the mean time, we must expose their lies!
Exactly, Mary Ann.
Mary Ann you also bring more to light…children learn what they are taught. The word “gay” is from these modern times actually coming from the homosexual agenda.
So when kids say that they are gay. They are even more brought into more confusion because they are only repeating what they were taught. They are submerged confusion and if an agenda, as the adults who created that, have immersed that child in such a thing, then what is a confusion child to say…only what it was conditioned or trained to believe.
Since this society does not really want to help that child form well or heal….they prefer the easier way….which is to follow what they feel and when they shove off the truth…then that child had no opportunity to discern for themselves or seek God’s healing or to unite with Christ’s suffering, instead they do what feels better and that is to accept their confusion at the standards of the gay agenda….surely inventing themselves as “gay”.
PA, “one bad apple can rot the whole barrel full”. And remember, that where there is a homosexual boy, there are abusive parents who would love nothing better than to abuse even more boys. The entertainment industry makes this very clear.
Amen, Fr Karl. The frenzied pace of change can only be demonic.
Also, a quote from CS Lewis’ The Abolition of Man…
‘And all the time — such is the tragi-comedy of our situation — we continue to clamor for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that what our civilization needs is more “drive”, or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or “creativity”. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.’
God is faster than the devil, faster than lightening.
These homosexual activist from the new world, from the gay agenda that is formed in these modern times, to me they are raping the minds of our youth by labeling them “gay”. They are no different than when an abortionist snips the back of the neck of a newborn. I consider labeling certain children “gay” ( a learned and highly influential agenda causing confusion and scandalizing their spirit/person) is child abuse. Against their human dignity. Children only repeat what they are taught.
The word “gay” was conditioned into their mind. It’s an entrapment to them and does not allow healthier options, does not allow for freedom to choose and practice their free will. It is already chosen for them by force…there is no option that helps them choose to soul search. It is discouraged. The gay activist does not care for our children….but they want to dictate to parents what should be implemented and normalized.
Time start our own Catholic scouting organization (under the patronage of Our Lady, St. Joseph and St. Michael). We have the local troops, their families and leaders, and would only have to change symbols and reorganize nationally. We could do almost exactly the same things the BSA does now, except that we could be explicitly Catholic rather than generically religious. Let’s defy both the gays and the cowardly sellouts in the BSA leadership!
The only thing required to start, Tom, is the first step. Only takes a moment, and then the ball gets to rolling.
Tom, Good idea, but realize that the God haters will go after these new groups and infiltrate them as well, just like they have most of our great Catholic institutions. The goal all along is to completely destroy the morals and virtues in our society, not to mention all the world.
This is happening already. See Catholic Scouts of St. George:
https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2013/05/catholic-scouts-of-st-george-brilliant.html
I hope entire troops in Catholic parishes will withdraw en masse.
Tom,
Actually in Europe they have the Scouts of Europe and that is completely Catholic. Those great young men take care of the pilgrims on the Chartres Pilgrimage. In Europe, there are the Scouts of France and the Scouts of Europe, I may have the two mixed up.
Dr. Taylor Marshall, a convert and an Eagle Scout is working to set up a Scouting organization “Scouts of St. George”. Go to his Website for more information.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
For a number of years I have proudly shown a “I Support Scouting” decal on my windshield. I removed it today.
The new scout salute will include a wink … maybe, huh?
Scout, is there any post that you don’t respond to? Do you really think so highly of yourself that every single post has to have your name woven into the comments section? Ego much?
Anonymous, I have long had to put up with destroyers like you; it’s water off the back of a duck to me.
Really, Skai, most of your posts are just quick pot shots at the opinions or even the faith of others. More prayer, less Skai, and you might actually contribute something of value here.
“pot shots”!?! I seem to be hitting the targets, Anonymous … so maybe I’m more of a sniper than a pot shooter. Btw, since you brought it up, I used to consistently put a small piece of lead into a 20″ bullseye at a third of a mile using open sights, no scope. But that is not uncommon. And I did work with an actual sniper once, who spent a week in a spider hole before he could get out of enemy territory … those dudes are awesome, and I don’t know where they get the chutzpah to do that stuff. So, in that I say this, you should be able to see that there are much badder dudes out there than the one you’re whining about here.
Anonymous, I grew up fighting for what I believed was right … ok, well, I grew up wrestling my homies to determine who would have the final say. It was a pre-verbal way of determining how to go about life. That is why it is so easy to whittle down your pansy arguments, because you have no clue how to argue, nor do you even know what an argument consists of, nor do you even care. We learned to care because if we didn’t, then we’d feel pain. And amazingly, it is the same with Catholicism; if you feel no pain, then you are not living the faith of the Catholic Church. In fact, if you are not feeling pain, then you do not care to gain. And as St Paul says, Heaven is a reward that we gain through our efforts. Nature teaches us that effort is always accompanied by pain. Get used to it, Anonymous. Pull your share of the load.
They might seem like pot shots to you, Anonymous, but to me they represent decades of practice on the target range. I’m just simply quick. Sometimes I go to youtube and watch the fastest quick draw man in the world, who also hits the most difficult targets imaginable … too bad for you; but you could become quick and on target by simply practicing the Catholic faith. It will take time but it can be done. Many know what I’m talking about. Maybe me being a bit crusty and mean gets your gall, but otherwise you would hear even less of what God wants you to hear. Rude and crude is the interior of the homosexual mindset, and the way it can be addressed is through crafty elemental emotional tags. Military drill instructors often excel at this, the use of fundamental and physical connotation words that address base instincts. The difference is that the military gets a fine tuned orchestration out of it, whereas the best the homos can come up with is disorder, but the objective here is to at least make the light dawn somewhere in their souls.
Try to be patient. It’s a lonely old man. The worst thing is that he keeps repeating the same inane ideas over and over. People usually try to correct him but then they just ignore him.
Anonymous,
Is this your way of letting the entire blogosphere know that you are an extremely young and spiritually immature whippersnapper who remains silent in the face of wrongdoing and then parties hearty as the swinging-est king of indifference? If you are not fond of.. or pleased with Skai’s zeal or his choice of words then YOU can do the MANLY thing too. YOU try stepping up to the plate and charitably instructing every heretic and homosexual activist who drops in. I never see your name (anonymous) charitably correcting those who openly distort Church teaching or mock God’s natural law but I do see someone named anonymous who consistently enables dissent. Skai is standing up for Christ. You are standing up only out of a fear of the loss of human respect. If you were standing up for Christ first then Skai’s choice of words would not throw you for such a loop. If you were standing up for Christ first, you wouldn’t undermine everyone who does speak up.
No, my post was to the other anonymous to inform him that the one bugging him had issues. And speaking of issues…you don’t have any issue with heresy. I don’t see you EVER standing up to it.
Catherine,
You could be on my team anytime, go woman go!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Thank you Kenneth Fisher!
“Lonely old man”: Anonymous, I am surrounded by people of all ages almost daily. I can run a quarter mile in high school time. I frequently hike up and down 1000 foot mountains in the deserts; just got back from an offroad two mile circuit, running and jogging half the way, walking fast the rest … surface strewn with rocks and soft furrowed earth with dry grasses all over hiding what lay underfoot. I enjoy addressing many issues, many more than appear on this site, mostly technical. My house is full of people. I’m pushing 70. I have three big outdoors high energy dogs, but no wife, no kids of my own … Don’t you recall what St Paul says about being alone with Jesus? Or did you forget to read the religion you claim is yours?
Good to know.
Anonymous was right when he said I should be more patient with Skai. This is true. I just have a hard time with people who think so highly of their own opinion, or their physicial abilities, that they need to interject their opinions at every turn. Especially when many of his posts are clearly wrong. I’ve never seen him actually engage in any kind of dialogue, or ever admitting to being wrong about anything. Always with an opinion and never wrong. Alarms go off at the thought.
Anonymous, I’m always scripting out arguments. Some of you simply cannot recognize the form of an argument. You fail at this because you do not argue, rather you post sound bites. Your frozen addled minds have no flex in them, and are programmed against the reasoning process. And only a fool would suggest that his claim is inferior to that of another. Yes, I come up with a lot of views, and this is due to being able to look at things from various points of view … I think it’s called empathy … as well as applying both the scientific method of argument and also the type of argument found in Job and St Thomas Aquinas. There is one word we use to indicate both, and that is “reasoning”, a process of taking a fact or claim and supporting it with evidence. This is taught in high school freshman courses. I found in my first years at a university campus that Catholic school kids could be divided into two groups. One group was the sound bite group who had no knowledge of how to craft an argument, and then the other group which had been taught to reason things out, to question their observations and use knowledge and mental functions to derive the best view of what would be true or factual. Courts of law specialize in this sort of thing, for example. Homosexuals never use reason, and always tantrum and sound bite.
How disrespectful this Anonymous character is! In Biblical times, our elders where the ones with the wisdom and knowledge, they were the ones who were to instruct the faithful and the youth but Anonymous is a rude and insulting character to our elders. I admire my elders here who defend the faith, they are more youthful than you would ever wish to be Anony.
The real lonely old men are the ones who advocated the perverted views that this society promotes, they will be lonely and bitter because of their disobedience to God and His natural law. Skai is not lonely nor old, he is young in Christ and shining bright, he is more popular than the jealous folks who attack his efforts to faithfulness!
Abeca,
The only ones who would be justified in using “anonymous” on this site are orthodox priests and religious who don’t want their non-orthodox bishop to see their orthodox remarks, otherwise only coward use “anonymous!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr Fisher I agree….Amen to that!
You are falsely accusing Skai. He does not answer to every post.
I do not always agree with everything he says, but I have been wrong at times too. But that is a false accusation you are posting against him.
Amen to that Anne T!
I am saddened that the issue even came up for the Boy Scouts. Being a man and remembering my confusion and struggle to gain a semblance of sexual identity during my youth was difficult. My son is in Scouting now and I will take him out of the program if the rules change. It’s important for boys to have a safe place with clear rules regarding sexual behavior. It’s important for boys to have a place where they can develop into men of virtue. The ability to express oneself heroically involves controlling ones passions or appetites. Neither the gay lifestyle nor an adulterous heterosexual lifestyle promote a health foundation for men. I am saddened by the innocence that has been destroyed by the culture I live in.
I pray for those young women who are looking for men who are faithful, honest and virtuous. I am not looking for perfection, but to move from glory to glory making progress in becoming a loving father and faithful husband. I pray for my sons daily. God bless
AMEN WHEELS!
I know that the Catholic Scouting Organization and Bishop Guglielmone have indicated that it’s ok for Catholics to remain in scouting. I see posts that the amendment is in line with Catholic teaching but the bullying and spirit in which this amendment was made was Machiavellian.
Bishop Gublielmone should guide his flock correctly not stand with the masses and lead people to hell. The LBGT and gay lobby’s goal is to make the Church irrelevant. I have heard it from their mouths. They have made scouting irrelevant.
My suggestion is that he should encourage people to leave scouting. The money is irrelevant. True Boy Scouts stand on principles that endure. People are what are important. Boys are what are important. That’s what I believe, That’s what Christ says. “Now go and sin no more.”
I would rather we have a Catholic option for our own youth in place or in process first. Challenge the BSA to change the policy with a one-year deadline. They probably won’t, of course, but by then we could have something operational for the kids and faithful adult leaderships so they could simply “switch over” without losing the experience of scouting. We would avoid putting weaker souls into an all-or-nothing dilemma, and a sudden and drastic shift to a new Catholic scouting organization would send more shock waves than a slow dribble into no scouting.
Why is it so complicated, Tom? All a troop needs is outdoors gear, gas money, and responsible experienced men to lead them. If you’re going to disinherit the Boy Scouts of America, then you’re going to dump the title, right? I don’t see the hold up, unless the men leading it are not capable of managing a troop with its activities. Maybe men have changed in the past fifty or so years and no longer can do these things, which used to be rather easy to do. You do not need official scout camps … there are innumerable exciting places to camp in the boonies which do not require any kind of official permission. You simply drive there and pitch your tents. If you’re all city slickers, then you’re doomed to slavery to the state, and you might as well give up, or go to Washington and plead with the federal govt to give you a permission slip.
Most BSA camps are not really camping out anyway. They have cabin tents, they no longer cook for themselves but have chefs cooking their meals. When I was a Scout, our tents were World War Two half shelters. You had to put two shelters together to make a tent, and you had to dig a trench because these tents did not have sealed bottoms.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Former Asst. Scout Master, Troop 73
The troop I joined had just transitioned from those WWII half shelters over to one piece canvas tents with sealed bottoms.
Former Girl Scout leaders have already shown the way. They formed the growing “Heritage Girls”!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Are Catholic men all afraid of doing anything without permission? It’s worse than I thought if this is so.
Upon further reflection, I suspect the problem is not any change in the nature of men but that men have morphed into bureaucrats and do not know that there is life apart from committees. The whistle has sounded, and it’s time to leap out of the trenches. Isn’t that what the Boy Scout medals are awarded for?
Wheels, I don’t know how many sons you have but if you found out that your son was gay would you tell him to leave the scouts or would you be glad to know that he was welcome to stay and respected for the individual that he was? I want the posters here to think about this. If you were a parent would you want your son to be shunned and discriminated against? When this involves a family member that they love, people often change their tune.
I would want my son to know this PA, that his sexual desires are immoral and offend God, not to be so overly concerned with his “feelings’
if your son were gay, you as a parent would not allow your son to participate in Boy Scouts, but give him medical help.
PA, this post is one more sly fantasy that you pass on from your gay library.
Wheels since you truly understand the real reasons as to why sexuality should not be part of the boys scouts, unlike other posters who keep giving irrelevant reasons as their pro-for, we pray for not misleading those youth who may have issues about their sexuality, organizations should not feed into their confusion even further and since we know what is truly at stake here….then it’s good that we speak up against these sort of things that give or condone immoral behavior.
It’s not about who what etc…..its really about the true care and wholesome environment a child should be involved in without ever having to give out the wrong the message. Sometimes to a child who may have had a traumatic rape experience from a predator, they need to get away from any sexual promotion or indication, not to bring more confusion to them or add it to their subconscious mind, but they need an escape method, like the way the boy scouts was in the past, I’m sure that if a child was confused, having the boy scouts stand up for their manhood, may have actually been therapeutic. It may have encouraged the child towards focusing on character and being a boy into a man….but once you add into the equation that perhaps that manhood is questionable (compromised) and can change….then we are falsely giving an indirect message by coming out and accepting or even considering that a child is capable of such immoral sinful lifestyles at so young at age…that it actually encourages them to explore it even further!
I don’t need to be a psychiatrist to discern how harmful this is to their formation into manhood! We insult God, by giving a different message than what our Lord has already implemented. God is perfect, in the Holy Trinity! To have other views is to insult who our Lord and How he designed mankind.
The resolution of the BSA to “remove the restriction denying membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone” also includes a strong admonishment that BSA is a youth organization. It states that “any sexual conduct, whether heterosexual or homosexual, by youth of Scouting age, is contrary to the virtues of Scouting.” It includes in its membership requirements that a member must subscribe to and abide by the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law; subscribe to and abide by the precepts of the Declaration of Religious Principle (duty to God) and demonstrate behavior that exemplifies the highest level of good conduct and respect for others and is consistent with the values expressed in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. The Scout Oath is “On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally strong.” The Scout Law is “A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.” The Declaration of Religious Principle includes the idea that “no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing their obligation to God.” It occurs to me that very much of what is wrong in America is that people have forgotten or were never given this kind of training. God bless though who desire to expand the opportunities for youth by starting their own youth organization, but this organization that still aspires to “train up children in the way they should go” is extremely valuable in our culture of narcissism and self-indulgence.
Thanks for that excellent post, K. I think people need to be reminded.
k, do you know how to spell, “naiivete’ “? For example, scout law now has it that sodomites can join. One is not a sodomite unless one practices sodomy. “Duty to God”: k, the sodomites have a false god which promotes sodomy.
No Skai, if a boy is sexually active, he is not allowed in Scouts.
k how will they know if someone is sexually active? They won’t if it is not advocated or bragged about and if they do….its a good opportunity for that child to learn that there are consequences when they engage in risky activities, them not mentioning it and learning that being chaste is advocated, can actually do them a great deal of building character. Its sick to think that a boy will join and have a label on them….that shouldn’t be the case….they are not there to get therapy or gain acceptance of a sexual orientation but they are there for what the reasons the boys scouts was intended….
k, I joined the Boy Scouts at age 11. I do not recall sexual activity being an issue. But the age range today is up to 18 years of age. You’d think that boys who become sexually active during their Scout years would find ways to hide it, right? So, what would you expect of gay boys (groomed by gay men, which is the way they do things) aged 18 to be up to on the overnight camp outs, but practice and groom the younger ones … especially with gay Scout leaders who secretly approve and turn their eyes away from the abuse?
There is no grooming going on. You are showing your outdated and false opinions of how people come to understand their sexuality.
false compassion….all factors leading towards hell….
In England, the motherhouse of Scouting, they are already working to get that part about “duty to God” dropped from the Scout Oath and Law, and that is exactly what they intend to do here!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Former Asst. Scout Master and 30+year Scouter
Anyone who thinks that the concession to allow gay adolescent boys to join the scouts is the end of it are deluding themselves. The Lavender Mafia never gives up! Next will be gay scout leaders. You can make book on it. It will be justified under the rubric of equality under the law or human rights or civil rights. The Devil has an inexhaustible supply of unscrupulous lawyers and corruptible judges on his side!
Yes, gay scout leaders will be next because leaders come from the ranks of scouts and when gay scouts grow up (sic) they will demand that they be allowed to be leaders. Just a logical step in the lavender ladder.
The sodomites already are in the Boy Scout leadership. How do you think the Boy Scouts approved sodomites?
They’re looking for matches to start their camp fires.
Studies show that homosexuals comprise only 2% of the population but commit 33% of all child sex abuse. Hence, statistically, homosexuals are 15.5 times more likely to sexually abuse a child than are heterosexuals (31/2 = 15.5).
Now you know why the sodomites want access to the Boy Scouts. And it’s not to teach them new knots.
See bit[DOT]ly/JKOlLI
I’ve been gay my whole life. Ever since I was around 6-7, I realized I was a queen. I began by dressing up as a little doll…then my sister put me in a dress!…Yes, a dress. You know what? I knew I was gay…even my mothers high-heels and makeup was experimented with. As I grew I realized I was not only gay, but a cross dresser to boot! We are people who are misunderstood…we want love and acceptance, not to be mocked or sneered at with derision. Life is hard enough, without this new barrier to hurdle. But yourself in my hose.
I regularly march in the “gay blade” parade in the Castro district…I love the sight of joyous people coming together for a good cause, and gay rights are something to work for, as is gay marriage. I would have married my partner but he passed away from the crud.
That is not joy, laughing boy, but perverse lust unbridled.
This is what we have today, we have those who think they found paradise in the way they live….it is easier to stay in the deception than to walk with Christ and take up his cross for some, I’m sad to say.
“who think they have found paradise in the way they live”: You sure come up with some amazing insights and perspectives, Abeca. This one is a gem. May the Lord bless you and yours ever more!!!
Skai thank you….The Holy Ghost deserves that credit and good teachers like you and other faithful whom our Lord uses to spread the faith….
And what you do IS harmful to the body of the person or persons you ARE abusing.
AMEN ANNE T!
That’s funny, the gay pride parade hasn’t touched the castro district in almost 20 years.
Well, it’s nowhere to be found around my neck of the woods, either, YFC.
BSA must now formally teach members what moral rectitude means and why biologically aberrant, morally deviant sexual behavior is incompatible with the Scout Oath and Law.
Acceptance of sexualized youth does not mean approval of their sexual conduct. While many Scouts fought and will forever fight the betrayal of the Boy Scouts of America’s (BSA) well-reasoned, fair-minded membership standard protecting children from individuals openly promoting or engaging in biologically aberrant and morally deviant sexual behavior, or aberrosexualism (homosexualism), the betrayal of this membership standard abolishes the prohibition against discussion of sexual matters within the organization. This sweeping change means the BSA will now play an entirely different game when it comes to discussing the issue of aberrosexualism.
To protect its youth members, the BSA must prepare age-appropriate instructional materials and educational resources to formally teach BSA youth members opting to discuss their sexual conduct and attractions why certain conducts and attractions are incompatible with Scout values. Yes, the BSA will accept youth struggling with gender identity and sexual behavioral problems, but it will not remain silent as to these psychopathologies or condone immoral behaviors.
Up to now, BSA policy prohibited the discussion of sexual matters among BSA members. Since an individual’s sexual attraction is not a physical characteristic or visible mark, sexual attraction cannot be known unless an individual alleges or claims the attraction. Once a youth member publicly alleges a sexual attraction, BSA leaders are then morally obligated to teach him that biologically aberrant and morally deviant sexual behavior, or aberrosexualism (homosexualism) is contrary to the Scout Law and Oath.
Permitting the discussion of sexual matters within the BSA is a two-way street. If a youth member is allowed to allege a sexual attraction within a Scout unit, then BSA leaders have the moral obligation and the constitutional right to instruct this member on why certain sexual attractions, behaviors, and practices violate Scouting’s moral and ethical code.
Prior to this change, the organization could limit itself to protecting members from individuals alleging an attraction for biologically aberrant, morally deviant sexual behavior by excluding that member. Now, the organization must continue to protect its members through conferences and educational resources instructing on why biologically aberrant, morally deviant sexual behavior is unhealthy, unhygienic, unethical, and totally incompatible with Scout values.
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The game rules were changed. We must now prepare age and setting sensitive, morally-grounded educational materials and resources to help youth members that allege or claim a sexual attraction, as we vow to restore the membership standard and boycott the bully corporations that forced this change upon us.
The most significant problem with this plan of action is that many homosexuals pay no mind to instruction … to wit, Mark from PA. They simply lay in wait for a moment of trust and then attempt to violate it. The way to handle homosexual boys in the Scouts is to remand them to the domiciles, so that the Scouts won’t be burdened with their disruptions of normalcy. It is not the goal of manhood development to constantly have to fend off or “instruct” gay boys. Let the gays go their own way, and the Scouts go the right way.
Skai says, ” It is not the goal of manhood development to constantly have to fend off or “instruct” gay boys. ”
Ummm no, Skai, it is not.
Great Commission, YFC. The Church goes everywhere to save souls. The goal of a boy is to become a man. Why are you distorting this fact?
A move afoot now is to claim that boys and girls do not have sexual orientations … This is one more subtle serpentine move by the sodomites to seduce and capture souls, by luring good parents into a false sense of security.
Excuse me…unbridled lust? .I have no more lust in me then any other gay man! I would imagine you desire the pleasure and company of a beautiful woman. Well, I enjoy the company of a sturdy robust man, hairless and covered in suntan lotion…is this wrong of me?…look, you say potato, I say potato…we both like the company of men, just that I like em’ in another way. Try to be a bit more sensitive Skai…Sil vous plait?
Buddhaislaughing, all of us have had temptations to do that which is wrong. If we all gave into them, or our parents, relatives and society encouraged us to do so, the world would be a much worse place than it is. Many men and women have had a “thousand” chances to cheat on their wives or husbands but did not do so because they thought of the consequences to their marriages, their children, society and to themselves, even if their marriages were not totally happy ones. No marriage is perfect. They knew such behavior could end in an abortion (the killing of a child by horrible means) or the receiving and giving of an STD to someone else, besides leaving children with a broken home. Stop thinking of yourself so much, buddhaislaughing and start thinking of others for a change.
My post today at 9:58 am was meant to be posted here. Sorry I have really made a mess of things. I will try to be more careful and not post so much.
To ‘laughing budha’ this website is just another ‘chat room’ to air his errant and anti-Catholic views. This isn’t a chat room with everyone’s opinion of equal value. You are presenting sin as an option, and I find your contributions utterly without merit or purpose. You’re not interested in debate but only defending a point of view that was defeated by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 2000 yrs. ago. Why do you bother contributing here when you’re not interested in learning more about Jesus and Catholicism? Catholocism is not a democracy! You need to spend some time in honest reflection and ask yourself just what purpose you’re serving and where are your beliefs and activities leading you. Why are you here? Have you asked yourself that? What is your point? Christ said all are welcome, and that is true, but He also warned us about throwing pearls to the swine, as Abeca reminded us earlier. You are welcome if your heart is sincere, but somehow that is not the impression I’m getting. There ought to be a place where Catholics can gather to share their faith and worries without being inundated with more of this secular garbage that we’re inundated with day in and day out. As I’ve written before, I’m jolly well sick of hearing about homosexuals. Enough already. ugh Blabbermouths and whiners all, apparently.
I repeat budda man, try telling that to God on your Particular Judgment Day!
May God have mercy on your poor compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Bootyslavering, your tutu attempt to strawman my blog identity is a new one on this site. But it only shows the depths of delusion that gays reside in. You no doubt wear a pink cape with lavendar short shorts, and a chest logo that says “gay man”. And then you prance around as your sensitive manner of trying to leap tall buildings, but you always end up leaping into a bathhouse somewhere … but please do not list all your bathhouse travels, as there is neither world enough or time for it anywhere in the universe.
Your post gave me the creeps!! Bigtime!! A man talking about another man like that is sickening!! You are using another man for your own perverse, sexual lust! The body is a temple for the soul and when it is used to fulfill sexual desires it is mortally sinful! Pure evil!
My comment was response to Buddahislaughing.
Yes, it’s a real tragedy what the high hypocrites of BSA have done in caving to the secular and amoral zitgeist of the times in which we find ourselves thrust into; and then we have the eponymous ‘Mark from Pa.’ and “anonymous” muddying the intellectual and spiritual waters surrounding this capitulation to the GAY REICHMAFIA by said high hypocrites of the Boy Scouts, with their banal, stereotypical mouthings carefully rehearsed so they sound something like a response to all the TRUTH put out there by people who are really EDUCATED in their Catholic Faith and who show it, like SKAI and Catherine, who have responded well to the vapid meanderings and false arguments generated from the likes of Mark / Pa. and “anonymous” (WHY are you “anonymous?” Are you hding in terror from the cogent, logical rebuttals to the bilge you and ‘Mark / Pa. continually spew out on this site whenever the subject of homosexualism comes up? Pathetic.) Well, I’ll pray for you guys and your re-conversions to the teachings of our Holy Roman Catholic Faith, and assume you might do the same for me if I needed it. And Mark, what part of the CCC do you not get when it says that although one might have the the AFFLICTION of S.S.A., one must strive NEVER to act upon it, through prayer, mortification of the senses, CONSTANT confession and reception of Holy Communion, not to mention TOTALLY AVOIDING REMOTE and NEAR OCCASIONS OF SIN, like gay bars, homo dating sites, etc.? If you DO accept these teachings, then why this constant hammering of everyone on this site re “respect, compassion and non-discrimination” for ACTIVE HOMOS and their lifestyles? Which will only result in MORE AFFLICTIONS and sicknesses UNIQUE to sexually active homos, like, say, GAY BOWEL SYNDROME? Just asking, brother. GOD’S BLESSINGS ON ALL, MARKRITE
Well, Markrite, I went to Mass and communion this morning for Memorial Day as I had the day off from work. I guess my mortification is coming here and being exposed to various degrees of hate. You speak of gay people being subject to afflictions but have a gay sexual orientation in and of itself does not expose someone to illness. Men who are promiscuous with women also put themselves at risk for various diseases but I don’t see people here going on about that. Since 90 to 95% of people are heterosexual they are more at risk, since there are a lot more of them.
That was the most uncharitable remark I have yet heard Markrite. Puhleeeease! zitgeiest?…my,oh my, your verbosity is in full swing this morning! You obviously just don’t appreciate graciousness, of which I have provided in full. I have been sensitive, kind, open and responsive. Yet you men continue to mock me at every turn. I may be gay, but I love the outdoors,i.e. surfing, motocross and a whole host of other masculine endeavors! Because I enjoy the company of a tall, dark, beautiful man, just off the beach’s of Malibu, you would think that makes me a monster, puhleeeeease! You are just a homophobe. Talk to the hand!
There is no charity promoting agenda’s away from God…that is where you need to keep your real focus on. Markrite…you are correct, God bless you for caring enough to speak the truth.
Homophobe a make believe creature invented by liberals and gay mafia…..
Markite, is exercising the same kind of charity I Lord would want him to, he is trying to get you and your friends here on this site to see the terrible error of your sinful practices so that you can avoid eternal damnation!
May God have mercy on your compromised souls,
Kenneth M. Fisher
The above should have read “Our Lord would want him to”
Kenneth M. Fisher
Talk to the AIDS meds.
“Talk to the aids meds”….ROTFLOL!!
Why don’t the Boy Scouts just adopt the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and let it go at that…….if you don’t “come out” when joining and don’t later, then you’re in!
mrpkguy,
That is exactly what we had before this sell out by two corporate shills!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
The testosterone fueled bloggers here really have a strong antipathy toward gays, what a pity. You are so caught up in being straight, you can’t see the forest for the trees! I am GAY..I have always been gay, and guess what guys?…I like it! get over your self righteous attitudes, that are just out of touch with present day reality. Gay men are thoughtful, sensitive and oh-so caring, of which few of you are.
Buddaislaughing writes…”I like it”
You may “like it” but you WON’T like hell if you go there and hell is no laughing matter. May God continue to have mercy on the homosexual men who wisely and humbly repented for their sins in this world before they died. May all of the souls of the faithfully departed rest in peace. Pray for all souls in Purgatory.
Bootyslavering, your rant about gay men is deceptive. Gay men have no sensitivity whatsoever, you delusional carp. All you can do is mimic little girls, and use that perversion to ever attempt to deceive all others and yourselves. It is not a testosterone issue, but you lie that it is because of your extreme fear of men. All you can imagine is ways to mock and destroy the manhood that God created in the human race, not to mention much of the animal world. You gays are the abyss of hatefulness, and you coat it with phoney sugar.
As a former Catholic Boy Scout whose troop was sponsored by our local parish, I support the new policy but with a caveat…..most parents of gay kids will want them to be in a troop that really wants them and understands them, and most troops won’t. Most troops won’t have any gay scouts because in pre-adolescence or adolescence the kid may still be trying to work out who he really is. The continuing ban on gay scout leaders is just common sense….you keep a gay leader away from adolescent boys or you will have a sex scandal that rivals our Church’s priest sex mess. Tantamount with not putting a 20 year old male hetero leader around adolescent Girl Scouts, right? Eliminating the near occasion of sexual tension between the leaders and the troops is common sense. The Scouts got this policy right, even if very few troops will actually have a scout that “comes out” during his tenure as a Boy Scout. Most will either be silent due to confusion or will join a troop that accepts them.
Good cause, what about when the homosexual boy scout becomes a man and wants to become a leader? What about the near occasion of sin then and what about the safety of the boys in the pack. I hope BSA folds and quickly – all these boys are now at risk.
By the way, Buddha is not laughing. He advocated celibacy for his monks and nuns and chastity (marital relations within marriage) for others and no adultery. Nirvana, equivalent to heaven for Buddhist, is an absense of all senuousness, including lust. So buddhaislaughing you are a plain old New Ager that combines Buddhism with the worst of paganism.
Hey, bhuddaislaughing, I’ll give you ‘searing honesty’ marks re your response to me which is more than I can sayabout Mark from Pa.’s LOL response; his is, to me, a response that, as usual, is indicative of more than an S.S.A. “affliction”, which it truly is, an affliction (and I’ve always thanked God he spared me that cross, got enough of my own hetero-type afflictions over the years, i.e., raging hormones when seeing a gorgeous and shapely female on the street, and so on.). But I would say, my brother, do you REALLY want to get those diseases that are so common to homos because they milk their S.S.A. problem for all it’s worth, and in some cases, and not rare cases at all, they have THOUSANDS of homo encounters that generate some really AWFUL SICKNESSES, would you really want that just to satisfy some gay lust? Sounds really crazy to me. Definitely NOT worth it. Plus, as we all know, we’re gonna have to face Our Lord and Savior someday and ACCOUNT for ALL of our actions. As has been said before, but in another context, that eventual encounter with The Lord would be enough to make me “SCARED STRAIGHT” (pun intended). Just opining. GOD BLESS US ALL, MARKRITE
Your new pope speaks earnestly of “opening doors”. Nice job all of you.
peter I’m sorry you felt hurt or don’t understand the real issue….pray about it. The door is open….you are welcome.
“Buddha Is laughing”…I read your disgusting post’s, you are trying to get a rise out of the bloggers here, or you are a seriously disordered human being…which is it?…The lifestyle and behavior you advocate and find amusing, is beyond “human degradation”…it is gravely sinful, offensive and bestial!…Have a moment of clarity and insight…the remedy, the medicine if you will, that can cure the fever and sickness in your blood can be found in only ONE place…think about it…the consequences of this lifestyle lead to perdition…pure and simple.
Many years ago, I courted a young lady, who was from Natal. She disclosed to me one night under the beautiful night skies and the “southern cross”, that she was a “rug- muncher”…needless to say, that was the last evening we spent together with a bottle of port, under the banner of the ‘southern cross”…if you get my drift.
Rhodesian, good thing you made that narrow escape!!! I was being invited to such a party by two enchanting damsels one evening long ago, when my instincts knotted up my stomach and I returned to the normal (although extreme) party and let these two bizarras go on their way. That was one more piece of experiential evidence that demonstrated the total difference between the extremes of heterosexuality and any brand of homosexuality. Even the lesbians are extremely bizarre. Back in that long ago era, over a small cafe table on a university campus (great campus with ratio of 3 girls to 2 guys), one coed I’d known for a couple years and I discussed her afternoon adventure. She told me that that morning she came up with a desire to find out what it would be like to be forcibly raped. So she walked to the highway and stuck out her thumb. Lo and behold, the driver who picked her up, pulled over in a remote area and forced her out and forcibly raped her. Then he returned her to campus, or maybe let her catch a ride with someone else. She seemed elated … so, one has to ask if it really was forced or if it was play acted. I still cannot understand why or what she was up to, but realized then that there was something about lesbianism that portended evil. A year later I had a short time girlfriend, with lesbian tendencies, who was connected with the theater dept. Not long after I met her, the theater grad student males began their homo attempts to seduce me. At some point when I realized what was going on, I fairly bellowed my disapproval in one of the open door offices of one of the acting teachers … and I was even more disgusted when he seemed to crave being fed crow and I mean road kill crow. These sodomites are the most disgusting creatures on the planet … bet Mugabe is a homo also.
Being that your 70 years old, this must have been back in the early 60’s… when you had these “way out” encounters with lesbians and gays in the theater dept, of your university…were you a drama major?
Actually….Mugabe is the biggest homophobe south of the equator!…He is much worse then any garden variety sexual deviant… he is a mass murderer and butcher…how many political leader’s have had a knighthood revoked?… Queen Elizabeth the II revoked it many years ago, for the savagery and cruelty he has unleashed on his country and it’s citizenry!