The following comes from a June 18 story, “Being Gay at a Catholic University,” on the Religion & Politics website.
Behind a large wooden cross at the entrance of Santa Clara University is a church built in 1777, one of the original 26 missions in California, a series of churches and schools built in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries by Franciscan priests and brothers as centers to convert others to their Catholic faith. This particular church sits at the heart of a Jesuit college that today educates just over 5,000 students.
On campus, I met Max Silva and Amanda Dewey in the Rainbow Resource Room. The room’s mission is to “educate the greater SCU community and empower Santa Clara students, faculty, staff, and alumni who self-identify within the wide spectrum of sexual orientations and gender identities.” Fliers abound highlighting upcoming events: Devin’s Rainbow Book Club, Lizzie’s Queer Politics Discussion, Transgender Day of Remembrance, Safe Space Training. Near the door are a variety of pamphlets about various LGBT issues. Copies of gay magazines, including Out and The Advocate, lay on the table.
Silva, a rising junior, came out in high school in Santa Barbara. Raised nominally Catholic, he didn’t dive into his faith until he enrolled at Santa Clara, exploring what it meant to be gay and Catholic. He leads a group called GASPED (Gay and Straight People for the Education of Diversity), which he views as a sort of social justice ministry, offering diversity education to the campus community.
Of being out at a Jesuit school, he said, “It really does come down to the school’s Jesuit philosophy and its Jesuit ideals. It focuses on Catholic social teaching, especially the social justice aspect, instead of focusing on the sexual ethics and homosexuality aspect.” The school, he said, approaches these issues from the “very Jesuit idea of educating the whole person, discerning your experience of Catholicism in an educated way.”
Dewey, who graduated in May, brought the Vagina Monologues to campus and chaired GALA, a student group for LGBT students and their allies that hosts social events such as the Queer Prom and Drag Show. When she enrolled at Santa Clara, she discovered a tradition of social justice that supported her eventual decision to come out as a lesbian last year to family and friends. “I had a really negative view of Catholicism until I fell in love with a Jesuit school and had to go here,” she said.
I asked them if they have experienced any blatant homophobia on campus, and they shrugged. Dewey said the Jesuit character of the school actually encourages a safe space for sexual minorities on campus.
Paul Crowley, a Jesuit priest from Berkeley, California, teaches Santa Clara graduate students twice a week. He says he is by no means an activist, but instead a systematic theologian (think dense, difficult to understand, Germanic musings about God) who has tip-toed into the conversation surrounding Catholicism and homosexuality, much to the chagrin of officials in the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
In 2004, Crowley published an article in the Catholic journal Theological Studies entitled “Homosexuality and the Counsel of the Cross.” He concluded that being gay isn’t a problem for the church to contend with, but “an invitation to a different way of looking at things, and toward a deeper embrace of the very gospel that threatens to subvert our most cherished notions about the God whose name is Love.” Years later, the Vatican demanded that he issue a clarification that upheld church teaching.
Crowley, like many others I interviewed, said that today’s students have moved past the bishops’ teaching on homosexuality. “Students themselves have changed so much, and there’s a deeper sense of comfort with and openness to LGBT students and diversity in general, where everybody is a little bit different and it’s just fine,” he said.
In his experience, they no longer question whether homosexuality is morally acceptable; they scoff at church teaching on the issue when it’s presented in class; and some just can’t wrap their heads around why the church wouldn’t encourage two gay or lesbian individuals to marry, given the stability it offers and the conservative nature of the institution in general.
“When I teach my human sexuality course, I give my students the official church documents, first without commentary, to read and then come back to class to discuss. They return and ask, ‘Is this serious? Do they really mean this?’ They just can’t believe it. That’s almost the universal reaction,” he said. But it wasn’t just students pushing for change. “There were students and faculty pushing along this change, sure,” he said, and there was also “encouragement from some of the Jesuits, too.”
To read the larger original story, click here.
Why is Father Crowledy wearing a suit and tie?
It makes him look like Father Ratzinger when he would wear the same outfit. But that was Germany, at least…
He doesn’t want to look like a priest.
As I have mentioned so many times before, every time there are priests speaking against the Magisterium, nine times out of ten, it’ll be a Jesuit (the other one is often a Maryknoller).
Crowley doesn’t dress like a priest either, ah a Jesuit – figures.
Blatant partisan activism supporting and enforcing the Separatist / Neo-Exterminationist MISANDRY (Hatred of Men & Boys, Masculinity and Normal Heterosexuality) of the Gaystapo – permeates the campus and professoriate at SCU like hot air in August.
An Allegedly catholic (small ‘c’) educational institution that is so hostile to the Church and Magisterium that it surpasses the animus of enemies Outside the Church, and yet feeds off the Church like a wasp injecting its toxic larvae in to a host to devour it from within…
– is such a Disgrace that if it cannot be changed from the agenda of promoting such Evil – should be shut down and sold off to help pay the costs of the Homosex Hatemongers who used such insanity to provide cover and support for their targeting 0f the Boys of the Church for Abuse…. er, um, uh, tolerance training’
I have been to ‘Public Education’ forums from the ‘social justice /homosex lobby’ at Santa Clara – and the Misandrist Hate that fueled their toxic tirades was palpable, and all together typical of the Corruption that has crippled the pathetic farce of Academentia.
These men are not priests. There are imposters. Their mission is to destroy the church from the inside out and to damn the souls of as many of our children as they can.
Study after study demonstrates that homosexuality is a learned behavior. Homosexuals procreate by ‘grooming’ and ‘converting’ others. Isn’t it wonderful that our ‘church’ is assisting in this unholy endeavor?
No, they are ordained priests. But Certainly they are followers of Judas not Christ. They have come to know him and reject him. They have ‘better ideas’ than Christ and his Church.
Jesus wants to save them in a certain way, but that’s old school. In the new Millennium, you cannot go saving people from sins. Naaaa, that is not cool and in with the times. You do it by re-affirming them in their sins, you see.
Meanwhile the Lion Shepherd is off to another Marriage conference. But the sheep can fed for themselves. Well, there might be a few wolfs around in shepherd garb, but these wolfs are vegetarian, they do not eat mutton, in this century. Plus, you cannot be too judgmental in dealing with reformed wolfs wearing shepherd garbs. No, no, write another speech on marriage and conversion and hopefully, they will not be tempted to eat any sheep meat.
I wonder if God will “scoff” at the Particular and General Judgments.
I find the fascination with homosexuality in this publication to be a bit disturbing.
It does come up a lot on this site!
Bill & S. Peter, – because those who promote homosexual acts also post on this site; they need correction. It they did not post lies or misconceptions about the true teachings of the Church, it would not be as necessary except to correct evil Priests and evil Catholic politicians who commit SCANDAL.
Those posters commit the mortal sin of advancing an evil lifestyle that will send Souls to Hell.
BIBLE: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1-24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10.
CCC: 2357, 2358, 2359, & 2396
“Letter to Bishops on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons” (Vatican web site.)
Well Bill, have you read the CCC and understand the Church’s position regarding homosexuality and such behavior? Bill, have you been keeping up with Catholic events? Bill, are you aware that for several decades (1960s – 1980s) the Church allowed homosexuals to enter the priesthood whereuopn many raped and molested young boys? Do you not think that is important, Bill? Bill, do you not think that as good Catholics we should do everything in our power to prevent such horrors from happening again? By the way Bill, did you know that homosexuals are unfit for the priesthood? And Bill, did you know that the Church continues to be infiltrated by homosexual clergy who are trying to destroy the Catholic Church from within? So Bill, those are just some of the reasons why many on this site are “facinated” with homosexuality. One more thing Bill, wise up!
@Bill and ‘St Peter’ (Sure, quite likely!) — If this is a Catholic publication, intended to educate and promote the teachings of the Church, what — pray tell — do you two people think should the articles be about?
Perhaps if you want discussions on different subject matter you should instead be visiting websites that espouse your personal beliefs, or expound on themes you like. You think?
Poor St. Ignatius, must be spinning in his grave, and how far the Jesuits have fallen, clearly making their own hell, and it could be that they all know they are heading in that direction, but like so many steeped in such sins, they think God will see their “love” and invite them into Heaven anyway. Wow. I am standing waaay back from one of those guys at the Final Judgement, because knowing what I know about that practice of homosexuality, it is not love but obsession of body parts, and giving in to it is so egregious a practice, that even the devils can’t stand it. (I just read that on another posting.)
He is happily in Heaven praying for his sons.
Would you also find someone sounding an alarm of fire “disturbing?” The rot of homosexuality that has pervaded our Church and sickness that has afflicted so many of our clergy has cost us, not only in money, but in credibility and harmony as well. Pope Francis himself has acknowleged that there is a homosexual “lobby” in the Vatican itself. These sick individuals should be rooted out of the clergy and those who advocate this plague in so-called “Catholic” universities should be terminated immediately.
The same year (2010) that homosex icon Larry Brinkin was Honored by the Demicrat Establishment (mayor / gov. lt. Gravid Nuisance, Senator mark ‘Kiddie Porn King’ Leno, Assemblymember Tommy T.P. Ammiano…) and given his own week in Sodom by the Sea…
Leading California gay rights leader arrested over child porn possession https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/leading-california-gay-rights-leader-arrested-over-child-porn-possession?
The Notorious NAMBLA (north amerikan man / boy homosex rape = love) Founder and all around Pederast Allen Ginsberg was also Honored, at the proud film festival.
The Pathological Link between the choice to engage in homo-anal coprophile Behaviors and Ephebophile / Pederast targeting of young males – is well established, albeit completely taboo to discuss.
Frisco ‘beat poet’ and homosex icon Allen Ginsberg, whose homages to Pederasty are enshrined in the ‘hormel – happy meat packer’ section of the SF Public Library, provides a great example of the double standard of the lamesteam media when it comes to deploring generic Child Rape, and ignoring (as with Brinkin) Homosex Rape of Boys.
Nick Benton’s Gay Science No. 50: Our Gay Movement’s Colossal Failure
BY NICHOLAS F. BENTON 9/22/11 (Falls Church News Press http://www.fcnp.com/…/10170-nick-bentons-gay-science-no-50-our-gay- .
When I became a vocal gay liberation leader in San Francisco after completing graduate seminary and coming out with a bang in 1969… I became the most prolific writer on all matters gay in the Bay Area, contributing weekly to the Berkeley Barb, often to its rival…
– By 1972, from my vantage point as a gay leader, it was clear that a countercultural, anarcho-hedonistic tsunami was turning the movement away from any sensibility for wider social change to focus solely on unbridled sex and license to it.
The gay “The Age of Contagion” (my term) ran from 1972 to 1996, AIDS being phase two. It was fueled by unlimited impersonal sex, which became not only normative, but a “politically correct” imperative. It was common for gays in urban centers to be infected with venereal disease almost monthly, compromising immune systems to provide opportunity for the HIV virus, while crippling the emotional capacity for sustainable romance.
I became sharper in my arguments against all this. I wrote against, and even picketed, Allen Ginsberg,
the gay beat poet with two decent compositions to his credit, because Ginsberg bragged publicly about masturbating to images of young boys, ran a help-wanted ad in the Barb for a personal assistant, providing a physical description of the kind of boy he wanted,
and was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)…
– Ginsberg, elevated to countercultural sainthood, and the gay French post-modernist philosopher, Michel Foucault, were highly visible Pied Pipers of “The Age of Contagion.”
Lecturing at the University of California at Berkeley in the mid-1970s on the “history of sex,” Foucault was notorious for spending his nights at leather S&M bars on Folsom Street in San Francisco.
Enticing young gay students and anyone else toward what he called “limit experiences” that led them to degrees of sexual degradation they normally avoided, Foucault mused, with all the trappings of academia, that the only novel invention in all the sex of the post-Stonewall era was “fisting.”
– Foucault reportedly laughed cynically upon hearing the news that what became known as AIDS began appearing in the summer of 1981. In 1983, he returned to the Bay Area, manifesting symptoms of AIDS, himself, which did not deter him from almost surely spreading the virus at nightly bath house engagements until his death in mid-1984…
Subsequently, despite the urban gay culture’s descent into dangerous sexual excess, no one in the gay movement spoke out about it. No one. Not one leader…
The terrible truth about AIDS is that, while outside factors introduced and perpetuated the 1970s sexual excesses, virtually every lethal infection was passed by one gay person to another..
We did it to ourselves, even after knowing the consequences. Our actions caused the “Age of Contagion,” starting about 1972, and our movement failed, abjectly failed, to prevent within in our own ranks what became the horrible, premature deaths of 400,000
Michael: You are an encyclopedia of knowledge about the destruction of a great city by the scum of the earth. Thank you for reminding everyone of exactly how it all happened
Hello Michael, thanks for the info it may interest you to know the NY Times reported a new strain of meningitis that is hitting the gay night club scene. These people are a slave to their passions no matter what the cost
Cs mentioned ‘new strains of meningitis’ gaily vectoring forth – which are adding to the alphabet soup of STDs headed for “Treatment Resistant” status – thanks in large part to the efforts of the members of the “Conga Line of Buggery” (quoting author Will Self from ‘Dorian’) and the dedicated “Bug Chasers” & “Gift Givers” who fuel it.
It is not just a matter of sharing poor hygiene habits with the likes of white house subsidized Bio-Terrorist Dan ‘ The Savage Lickspittle’ and his coprophile caucus, but of reckless hedonism fueled by tax subsidized ‘meds’ that are enabling Far too many sick men to get just well enough to rejoin said Conga Line, and spreading the new strains of ‘love’ far and wide.
However – the goal in Frisco (formerly the City of Saint Francis, now better known as Sodom by the Sea) is to Keep the ‘Vanilla’ (suburban taxpaying voters) Clueless about the growing risk to their heath – from the ‘happy’ boys; and have them keep on subsidizing the meds the party depends on.
The Chronicle (Frisco Crock-a-bull) actually broke tradition and reported on Assemblymembers like Tommy ‘T.P.’ Ammiano (the unfunniest bendover comic to ever cover the citizens of CA with political skid marks) – and their anger over actual reporting of the Spread of STDs out of the Castro in Frisco to the larger world.
Funny – Not, my first bank account was at the corner of Market & Castro – opened years before Ginsberg and the Buggery Boys arrived, and before the Castro district became famous its ‘mayor’ – the ‘Father of Aids in Amerika’ – the pederast Harvery Milk.
Anywayyy – here is the relevant bits from the Crock-a-bull about Tommy T.P. and his latest homo-anal hissy fit:
<<"Hospitals now must report serious staph cases to officials by Sabin Russell, Chronicle Medical Writer February 15, 2008
California for the first time is requiring that hospitals report to local health authorities certain kinds of staph infections that result in death or a stay in the intensive-care unit.
The order issued Thursday by Dr. Mark Horton, state public health director, is an initial step by state officials to gain insight into an alarming increase in drug-resistant staph infections that are now believed to kill 19,000 Americans a year…
A particularly virulent strain of MRSA, dubbed USA 300, appears to be driving a marked increase in these so-called community-acquired staph infections. First isolated by San Francisco researchers in 2001, the bug is now believed to be responsible for a majority of skin and soft-tissue infections treated in emergency rooms in the United States…
"It will tell us where in the state this is occurring, and who in the state is at risk for infection," Chavez said. In addition to names, Chavez said the confidential information gathered will include gender, race and ethnicity. Sexual behavior, he said, "may well be something we include" in the data gathering effort.
San Francisco Supervisor Tom Ammiano said that sort of reporting is potentially troubling. "I think we should be very, very cautious about this. There are privacy concerns," he said. "We need to know what the goals are, and what the benefits would be."
Last month, San Francisco General Hospital physicians reported in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine that a variant of USA 300, resistant to six antibiotics, was "especially common among men who have sex with men."
That report, and the subsequent media coverage of it around the world, deeply angered some members of the city's gay community.
Ammiano denounced a report in The Chronicle about it as "irresponsible" and "homophobic," during a committee hearing Wednesday.
He joined with Supervisors Bevan Dufty and Aaron Peskin in a mock hand-washing demonstration, where the men soaped up their hands and rinsed them in an inflatable plastic swimming pool rolled into the City Hall supervisors' chambers…
What they need at all the Jesuit Universities especially, is a group of COURAGE!!!
I pray the Holy Father will clean house and start with the Jesuits as he did
If all else fails……schools such as Santa Clara, U.S.F., Georgetown, etc………
SHOULD HAVE THEIR ‘CATHOLIC’ IDENTITY TAKEN FROM THEM.
Just to think that parents pay for their children to be perverted in these “Catholic” Jesuit universities. The Radical Left wants to destroy the family and religion, so the homosexual agenda is a perfect vehicle. Which is why Catholics are interested in this issue that has so damaged our religion.
Gratias, I just want you to know, the gays are not being used by the Radical Left, and, insofar as we have an agenda, it is not to destroy the family or religion.
YFC, the gay agenda is the devil’s work. What can’t you see about this fact?
Can’t the bishop of the diocese send the dissident priests of religious orders packing?
And we wonder why the Church is in such crisis. For far too long, heterodoxy and outright apostasy has ruled the day. The homo agenda has rooted itself within the Church like a cancer. They should repent and do penance, the Day of Judgement draws closer with each passing day.
100% of the Jesuits are not bad. I contacted a Jesuit at a Jesuit University, and he clearly stated that he wished they would use the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” as one of the required texts so students would accurately know what the Church teaches.
However, this Priest is not on the Board of Trustees, or in a position of power within the Jesuit Order.
What is missing here? This is a Catholic institution of Learning, and I haven’t heard anything about Catholicism, anything about Our Lord, anything regarding the purpose for a Catholic institutions reason for being.
All I have heard is the need to discuss what are the good aspects of the failings of the human condition. It’s like the promotion of the sins I can’t help myself stop doing. This is reckless, self absorbed and totally disingenuous calling a Catholic institution a center as if a rehab center for Catholics who may or may not have a confusion about their homosexuality. Please stop teaching, closed the doors, stop calling this place a Catholic institution.
Santa Clara University is not Catholic any longer, and so face the facts its purpose is to help these homosexual individuals who are in need of emotional support and a center with so-called ministers that were once called priest of the Jesuit Order whose purpose now is to comment endlessly about the integration of Gay Catholics into a hostile anti-gay world.
I think that one of the most telling points in this article is: In his experience, they no longer question whether homosexuality is morally acceptable; they scoff at church teaching on the issue when it’s presented in class; and some just can’t wrap their heads around why the church wouldn’t encourage two gay or lesbian individuals to marry, given the stability it offers and the conservative nature of the institution in general. My experience is similar, in that my children (in their fifties) and their children do not find anything untoward in others being gay or “whatever”. They all agree that the Church is so out of step with the general public on this issue that it makes itself irrelevant. It, of course, don’t consider the opposite position. But, it is a reality. Most people today don”t find anything wrong with someone being gay and agree that they should have all the rights and privelages of heterosexual people. Most of my friends, all good Christians in their seventies, see nothing wrong with gayness, etc. It is possible that the church really has lost this battle and that the more it digs in its heels, the more it empties the churches. What to do?
Bob one its seem you, you children and your associates have been completely swallowed by the corruption and immorality of the culture…50 percent or there abouts also find nothing wrong with killing babies in the womb, is the Church out of step Bob One. What to do, according to Bob One the Church should completely surrender to this corrupt culture and betray Christ in the name of acceptance and tolerance. Bob One did the early Christians go along with immorality of the Roman Empire ? If your friends in their 70’s find nothing wrong with “gayness” then they are not good Christians…I say let the Churches empty so long as truth is proclaimed, let entire dioceses fold so long as truth stands.
Canisius, I didn’t say I supported “gayness” or abortion or any other sin. I simply stated that what I have observed in others and wondered what we are to do about it. Perhaps your suggestion to let the churches empty is the option that we will have to take. What are some others that our leaders might consider?
That, Bob One, is the problem with people who spend their lives in bureaucracies and committees, they sit around and wonder what to do. The Pope told us to do something … so get to work.
Bob One – the best thing to do is educate oneself – ACCURATELY –
by using the Official Documents of the Church such as the Bible and CCC.
After educating oneself, educate others.
Church leaders should stop Sacrilege, Scandal, Heresy, Schism, relativism, and confusion by excommunicating those obstinate in public grave sin.
Encourage clergy to enforce Canon 915 & 1399 as appropriate, and in accord with 1 Cor 5:9-13.
Are you trying to secure amnesty for deadly mortal sin on a faithful Catholic website? Please read Pope Emiritus Benedict XVI’s written words below. I think that one of the most telling points about your 9:14 am post and your previous posts on California Catholic Daily is that you are part of the problem. You are either a lobbyist or an activist who has attached himself to this website to undermine Church teaching OR You never understood the Catholic faith to begin with so you were utterly incapable of transmitting the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church to your children. If you truly are a father, this loss of faith and direction should concern you because you are talking about the souls of your own children. What good father blogs consistently on a faithful Catholic website while pushing and advocating the same sinful things that Santa Clara University does.
Bob One, You are basically admitting that your children ARE out of touch with God and this should concern you if you truly are a parent. If you are a planted dissenter or an activist then I would remind you of the same lesson that all good mothers and fathers teach to their children and those who they come in contact with. Good fathers teach, remind and reinforce this truth, “Just because the majority says something is good, that does not make the something that they are selling, something good. The majority chose to free Barabbas and do the same things that these wolves in sheep’s clothing are doing, which is crucify Christ with their their rejection and disobedience.
Written earlier.. Pope Benedict XVI turns next to the role of Barabbas’ supporters:
“In Mark’s Gospel, the circle of accusers is broadened in the context of the Passover amnesty (Barabbas or Jesus): the “ochlos” enters the scene and opts for the release of Barabbas. “Ochlos” in the first instance simply means a crowd of people, the “masses.” The word frequently has a pejorative connotation, meaning “mob.” In any event, it does not refer to the Jewish people as such. … Effectively this ‘crowd’ is made up of the followers of Barabbas who have been mobilized to secure the amnesty for him: as a rebel against Roman power he could naturally count on a good number of supporters. So the Barabbas party, the “crowd,” was conspicuous while the followers of Jesus remained hidden out of fear; this meant that the vox populi, on which Roman law was built, was represented one-sidedly. In Mark’s account, then, as well as ‘the Jews,’ that is to say the dominant priestly circle, the ochlos comes into play, the circle of Barabbas’ supporters, but not the Jewish people as such.”
The gig is up Bob One. The choice is yours, Christ or Barabbas……so far your choice has been Barabas and it has been the wrong choice for you and for your children….that is if your story is true to begin with.
In my house the choice is always Christ! But, I simply said that I have observed that many that I know, including some in my own family, do not agree with the church’s teachings in some areas. I never said I supported their beliefs. And, yes, it is a concern for me that I pray for on a regular basis, that someday they will come back to the church. Let me simply suggest, however, Catherine that you read the post for what it says, and others I have written. They don’t support ideas outside the teachings of the church. They simply raise questions.
“Raise questions” instead of upholding Church teaching? AND you admit that your own children are floundering in their faith? Saints preserve us Bob, please stop insulting Christ’s Church by raising your enabling questions? What are you waiting for? Bob, how old will you have to be in order for you to be a more ardent supporter of Jesus Christ who was able to raise men from the dead?
Bob One, unless you are raising questions for your own education, you merely confuse others in this public media format – which is wrong.
Use the Bible, CCC, Code of Canon Law, GIRM, and the Vatican web site for accurate education.
This may help with your relatives. Give them Catholic Bibles and CCC’s as gifts.
Tell them its for their book shelves for references on what Catholics really believe, rather than the misconceptions perpetraited by the media.
(When you want to know what any Faith teaches go to their official documents.)
Along with your prayers, your relatives may decide to read them some day.
It all depends on who your friends and family are Bob One. Some of ours are dead set against homosexual and lesbian “marriages”, others think it all right (and those we do not associate with very closely). That, quite frankly is because they themselves are quite often “living in sin” with someone else, or have had several marriages and children by each one, and the children are so confused they do not know right from wrong, up from down or purple from gray.
Yes, as Cathrine said, “The gig is up, Bone One. Make your choice. Christ or Barabbas.”
Oops! not “Bone One” but “Bob One”.
Remember, Anne T. — this site is rated P-G.
So, I go back to the original question: what should we do? Do our schools, CCD, confirmation classes, pre-marriage classes, RCIA, faith formation classes, etc. teach the tenents of the faith? Do the parochial schools teach the faith so as to overcome the teachings of the public schools? If not, what can we do as lay people to start the twenty year process of changing the system. I have seen much of the material that is used for faith formation at the elementary level, and it is not very content oriented. Kids don’t learn the catechism like we did. They don’t know what the church teaches in many cases. Other than challenging nearly every pastor in the country to do better, I don’t know how to solve the issue. What can we do?
Faithful Catholics Bob One are already solving it. Forming their own catechism classes using the Baltimore Catechism, home schooling their kids, attending the TLM, basically rejecting the fools of Vatican 2 who got us to this point. Instead of accepting a corrupt culture they are walling themselves from it and attacking it at the same time…
Bob One writes: “Kids don’t learn the catechism like we did.”
C’mon Bob One, You have to at least try and show intellectual honesty if you are going to write that you never support beliefs outside of Church teaching. Bob, If you had learned the Catechism then why did you promote the ACLU who are anti-Catholic? Perhaps you did not really understand the Catechism. Bob, if you understood the CCC you would have NEVER shown support for the ACLU on CCD. You would never close your heart and mind to a prayer to the Holy Spirit. You have demonstrated that you have exchanged your faith and trust in the supernatural for faith in the ACLU and government programs.
Bob One, go back to OSCAR’s post of July 6, at 3:55 am.
This will tell you what you (and the rest of us) can do.
Our own education of the truth is the start. Then we can educate others.
On the net go to: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE” for more info on the CCC, and links to official Church Documents.
In addition to accurately knowing our Faith – correct your own Pastor, Priest, and Diocese Bishop if necessary.
Report uncorrected abuses to the appropriate Diocese Bishop, and the US Papal Nuncio in Washington DC, and the Vatican.
When each of us posts anything on any public media site, be sure it is in full conformance with the Doctrine of the Faith (contained in CCC).
These actions and prayer – is what you (we all) need to do. This is evangelizing the TRUTH.
BobO fails to address the manner in which the ‘Politics of Adversarial Terminology’ can skew the ‘debate’ – or more to the point Prevent the Real Debate about the Real Issues, and instead focus on gaily sanitized and misleading euphemisms about love of ‘happy greeks’.
No wonder certain people can’t wrap their heads around such Orwellian Double-Think, as that is the purpose of such spew – to cover up the intrinsically aberrant, degrading and objectively disordered Hatreds and Perversions that motivate the MISANDRY of the GAYSTAPO, and avoid any of the ‘icky’ facts they want censored – except in School, where the ‘Ick’ is to be graphically Promoted.
For example, any fact based presentation of Diverse views on gender issues would of necessity include discussion of he Alliance of MISANDRY (Separatist / Neo-Exterminationist Hatred of Men & Boys, Masculinity and Normal Heterosexuality) – which clearly breaks down along partisan lines when it is taken beyond the simple ‘happy-gay / greek-lesbian’ propaganda spew.
Males who choose to engage in Homo-Anal Coprohile Behaviors have little in common with the Separatist / Neo-Exterminationists of the Dyke Coven – save for their shared common bond of Hate for the ‘Y-DNA BioManPigOppressor’, who is to be phased out like neanderthals of old.
In their place – ‘New Men’, such as Self Mutilating Steroid Dykes like Chastity Bono (raped as a girl by an older Dyke in what Enslers ‘ragonya diatribes’ call “A Good Rape”) will rise up with their turkey basters (filled with anonymous genderless ‘donor’ material) and destroy the ‘Hetero-Patriarchy’.
How many people are even aware of this Exterminationist Pogrom, given the constant roar of BAMN BAMN – To Bash Men By Any Means Necessary – that fills the bought and paid for ‘free press’ and Academentia like hot air in August.?
The nature of this Exterminationist Alliance of ‘non male identified Womyn’ with males who choose Homo-Anal Coprophile Behaviors (including the Pederasty promoted by gaily iconic ‘happy boy’ leaders ranging from Larry Brinkin to ‘Kiddie Porn King” mark Leno
– was explained by hollyweirds beloved Dyke Icon Valerie Solanas (Author of the SCUM Manifesto – Society for Cutting Up Men, featured in 2 movies) – who explained that Homo-Anal Coprophile Males are favored members of the ‘Men’s Auxiliary of SCUM (along with journalists and the ObamAcorns) because:
“…by their shimmering flaming example they un-man themselves, and thus render themselves relatively inoffensive.”
Hence – Until BobO and buds take off the PC Blinders and actually discuss the substance (as opposed to hollyweird happy fluff) of the scam – they will never be able to present any position to stand against – other than their own fabricated Straw Man pushover ‘arguments’.
SEE Also: http://www.ConscienceDefense.org.
Those who teach heresy, schism, and lies about the Faith should be excommunicated.
Where is the Diocese Bishop?
There can be a difference between individual “Bishops” teaching their personal beliefs, and the official teaching of the Church.
This is why the CCC is so important – for accuracy.
This is what happens when Diocese Bishops do not do their jobs –
Canon 915, Canon 1399, & Canon 803 #2 & 3, Canons 804 – 814.
“802 # 3 No school even if it is in fact Catholic, may bear the title ‘Catholic’ except by the consent of the competent ecclisiastical authority.”
Since most Bishops do not teach Parents & Students to read the Bible and the CCC prior to the students being age 18 – no wonder the Church is in such a crisis.
They do not know their Faith. And then later they do not know the difference between truth and lies. Then they can not pass on the Truth of the Faith to their offspring in the future. So Parents become inept, students are inept, and even their teachers at Catholic Schools and Catholic Universities are inept.
This lack of accuracy and incompleteness breeds lies.
PARENTS – do not let your children attend any Catholic School or University that does not use the Bible and the CCC as required texts for students and well as teachers. Or promotes any mortal sin on campus.
This is YOUR responsibility.
Just because some Bishops are not doing their jobs – does not give you the right to abdicate yours.
We will all be judged according to our own sins.
Nan and Mary, I hope people will reread your posts of July 6th.
This is critical.
Far too many parents abdicate their responsibilies to others. According to the teachings of the Church – parents have the prime responsibility for teaching the Faith to their own children – not the Clergy.
To teach accurately, one must know their own Faith – by reading the Bible, CCC, Code of Canon Law, and GIRM (for the Ordinary form of the Mass).
There is no excuse for IGNORANCE or false teaching amongst the literate.
(CCC, Code of Canon Law, and GIRM are located on the Vatican web site. These books may also be purchased for your home.)
The current Santa Clara Mission Church opened in 1928 and is the sixth church on site, after the 5th structure was detroyed by fire in 1926. The first church opened in 1777, and, contrary to the article, is long gone, and obviously not the current church.
Remember Santa Clara ‘Theology’ Department is coming to San Diego County. To Oceanside to Mission San Ruis Rey.