The following is an October 24 statement from Bishop McGrath on Election 2016 from the Diocese of San Jose website:
Dear Friends,
Since 1796, when John Adams succeeded George Washington as President, a founding principle of our great nation has been the orderly transfer of power, as an expression of the will of the people. The notion of a democracy relies upon this.
As hard-fought as many of our elections have been, our nation has always succeeded historically in coming together in a mature and civil manner, for the benefit of all, for the good of all of the people. No matter the outcome, we have united – in word and in deed – as one nation.
This year’s contentious and unsettling presidential race threatens our ability to come together as one people. The claims by some of our fellow citizens that they will not accept the final outcome of the election borders on the seditious, portending a future that would be neither civil, nor true to our common roots as Americans. We cannot do this. It is not who we are, not who we are called to be.
I ask Catholics and all people of good will to come together on November 8th and 9th and on all of the days that follow to continue to forge one nation, subject to the rule of law and to unite as one American people, committed to the common good of these United States, with its government “of the people, by the people and for the people” (Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address).
May God bless you all and may all of our people come together as “one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.”
With every best wish and kind regard, I remain,
Sincerely yours,
Patrick J. McGrath
Bishop of San Jose
That bishop is clueless and has a mediocre mind. One wonders why anyone thought he would be a good bishop.
Fraud has occurred, is occurring and will occur. Whether the fraud is significant enough to skew the election remains to be seen.
I will await the bishop’s stern statement about respecting the rule of law as it applies to government workers using private email servers and as it applies to the FBI and the Justice Department applying the law to everyone equally, regardless of their political clout. I’m not naming names, just as the bishop didn’t.
So glad I’m not in that man’s diocese anymore. So glad.
Nobody with any orthodox credentials ever thought he was going to be a good bishop. He’s good to those who worship liberalism, and that’s how it’s been since he stepped in. And if you’re from the diocese originally, you probably can recall that. As a separate point, no nation can “come together” if the point of contention is national abortion. Not any more than hell will be separate from heaven for all eternity.
Bishop McGrath Hillary is for PARTIAL BIRTH BIRTH ABORTION!!!!
Sawyer and Ralph…One person who though the’d make a good bishop was the only person whose opinion counted …St. John Paul II.
The political climate of this country has certainly changed. Ever since the electorate of this country selected Barack Obama because of his race rather than his competence or his qualifications, the tone of our politics has gone downhill. The political or moral qualifications of our candidates mean nothing, witness the Clintons. Tramps and Thieves all. Trump is right to suspect fraud on a national scale as occurred in Germany during the rise of Adolf Hitler. Hillary Clinton is his reencarnation.
Wow, Hillary Clinton is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. That’s precious, given Trump’s favor with neo-Nazi groups.
Wrong!
Bob One, how many pro-abortion candidates are you voting for?
YFC , how many pro-abortion candidates are you voting for this time!
…and of course Trump’s qualifications are way better than Obama’s or Hillary’s? If Obama said or did half the garbage that Trump has done there would be a revolution! Your hypocrisy is only too obvious!
And Anonymous says is obviously pro-abortion. Another fake Catholic. How many dead babies will it take to satisfy Anonymous’ blood lust?’
Certainly not a reason JPII was canonized! Thank God! But seriously, you must know that the liberal masonic infiltrators snowed JPII on this one, as well as on many other things. JPII didn’t know him personally, and Catholics the world over have suffered greatly under the boots of the lavender mafia. St. John Chrysostom was right (remember, he was canonized) – “The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops!” Yeah, McGrath was a great choice – he wants us all to ignore abortion.
That bishop is now in mortal sin by supporting Hillarys abortion plan AND all the corruption in her party. May God have mercy on us all.
How does bishop McGrath feel about F.B.I . re-opening investigation of Hillary? How many presidential candidates in US history have ever been investigated by the F.B.I. during campaign, not just once but twice ?? Is she somebody we should admire and our children aspire to be like??
Maybe a Hillary sermon is in order from this good bishop.
Please review the criteria for Papal infallibility, even Popes make mistakes, witness Mahoney, for one. And Consistories as well, witness our present Pope.
Only 2 times has Papal infallibility been invoked in last 160 years.
…even Saints make mistakes, C&H. The bumbled handling of the sex abuse crisis within the Church happened under St. JPII.
Sadly, however, it is possible for those who should not rise to power to do exactly that by currying favor an notice with the right people. But for the wrong reasons.
Ann Malley, you must be very young. The sex abuse crisis didn’t happen in 2002, it was happening decades earlier, with even more bumbled handling, under other Popes. It just became public in 2002.
aprolifer, I am actually rather old and lived through crisis and the cleanup process. The cleanup process that consisted of shutting down those who were abused and moving priests around. For years.
Featured prominently in the Catholic school my folks worked hard to send me to. The same they helped build.
So, yes, it only became big news in 2002, but don’t kid yourself. The problem was festering for a long time. And whether or not you believe it, the Pope would have (or should have) known, too.
John Paul II was a great pope. Remember how he was surrounded with infidels whose judgement he relied on because it was impossible for him to know, personally, every potential bishop in the Church. Just another reminder that the smoke of satan has entered the Church.
Actually, PJ McGrath’s appointment in 1988 was at the recommendation of well-known dissident cleric, John Raphael Quinn, and the terna (3 names submitted to the pope) swiftly zipped through the equally well-known Pro-Nuncio at the time, Pio Laghi.
JP2 was well-known for rubber-stamping some terrible US bishop selections, such as Eugene Antonio Marino of Atlanta (who turned out to have a secret mistress); G. Patrick Ziemann (Santa Rosa), who had a male mistress who later sued him; and Thomas OBrien of Phoenix (the “hit-run” bishop who denied everything, despite eyewitness accounts—one of whom chased his fleeing Buick Park Ave and got the license plate.
These are just a few of the Hall of Shame of US bishops appointed,…
..unfortunately by JP2. High-ranking priests who were members of priest senates in US dioceses mentioned this “automatic approval”, and the US Church lived to pay for it, terribly.
Yes C&H. and he was wrong
…it’s important to understand fraud and the perpetuation of unfair and misapplied “rule of law”, Sawyer. Many believing Catholics will be misled by +McGrath’s words, to act in ways they should not. Much like Catholics are misled to ostracize those who uphold the fullness of Faith, castigating others as outsiders.
I’m glad I’m no longer in San Jose, too. So sad. It’s actually is or was a very solid place to grow up…. once upon a time.
When it was in the diocese of San Francisco
Only for a time, Anonymous. It was the SF hierarchy that opted to move around one of the biggest pedophile priests who was quite active in the ’70’s.
Abuse boys – and girls – at one school – well, we’ll make you Pastor at another school in the very next town.
They don’t want good bishops. They want weak and vacillating men who will be too occupied by the pursuits of honor and comfort to decently lead their flocks. +McGrath is perfect for the job the way it is done since Vatican II.
The Faithful who wanted holy and strong bishops followed Archbishop Lefebvre and stayed Catholic, never changing one iota of the Church’s teaching or practice. . The rest have bought into compromise of the Mass, the Sacraments, the Code of Canon Law and the Catechism of the Church.
The late great Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen warned us about such clerics when he said:
“WHO IS GOING TO SAVE OUR CHURCH? NOT OUR BISHOPS, NOT OUR PRIESTS AND RELIGIOUS. IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE THE MINDS, THE EYES, THE EARS TO SAVE THE CHURCH. YOUR MISSION IS TO SEE THAT YOUR PRIESTS ACT LIKE PRIESTS, YOUR BISHOPS, LIKE BISHOPS, AND YOUR RELIGIOUS ACT LIKE RELIGIOUS.”
Too bad that “our” bishops are not elected by the people but rather political appointees. Case in point, the recent promotion of a certain U.S. leftist archbishop to cardinal who has been an eager supporter of Pope Francis and advocates certain practices contrary to the doctrine who will now have a big say in selecting future bishops. All the while people are existing in mass, historical churches are being sold off left and right and Catholic schools closing under the “guardianship” of such bishops.
This Bishop isn’t talking liberal or conservative, democrat or republican. He is talking about our country. The presidential campaigns of the past have been much nastier than this one. Yet, at the end of election day, (at least in modern times) calls the winner and offers congratulations. wishes the best for the nation and offers what support and help is needed. Only in the last ten years or so has the nation become so divided that those on either side of the aisle can’t bring themselves to speak or work with the others. Comments like Sawyer makes are un-American and certainly not Christian. We need to come together to get things done not thwart governance, but make the country work again.
Bob, I will never “come together” with the Left. No Christian should because the Left is evil.
The Left is destroying the country through evil and corruption. How can you possibly “work with” organized evil such as that? You can’t; you can only resist it.
The Left is anti-American, not those who would defend the country against the assaults of the Left on the Constitution, on morality, on truth and on religion.
The reason for the great division in our country is because the Left and conservatives represent two fundamentally irreconcilable worldviews. It is an ideological war that is being waged, which is not something over which one has mere polite disagreements; this war concerns ultimate values.
The political climate of this country has certainly changed. Ever since the electorate of this country selected Barack Obama because of his race rather than his competence or his qualifications, the tone of our politics has gone downhill. The political or moral qualifications of our candidates mean nothing, witness the Clintons. Tramps and Thieves all. Trump is right to suspect fraud on a national scale as occurred in Germany during the rise of Adolf Hitler. Hillary Clinton is his reencarnation.
No, it can’t work. Christ said, without Me you can do nothing. This country has turned its back on Christ. Clinton will destroy any remnant of Christianity in government with her Supreme Court picks. It’s over folks. And as Alan Keyes refused to shake Obama’s hand following the Illinois Senate race, a Catholic or Christian can no more make peace with these filth than participate in a Black Mass.
Wrong again, “Democratic Party Mouthpiece Bob One.” In fact, “Sawyer’s” comments should be required reading at Masses in San Jose. B. McGrath is entirely an apostate, as can be readily seen by his complete blindness in suggesting that a vote for Hillary is OK for Catholics. Trump is the only viable candidate for Catholics, notwithstanding his often crude behavior.
Bob One, we are not going to “come together” because we keep electing radicals and useful idiots whose agenda is to tear us apart and transform America into a third world country.
Unamerican and unchristian how ? Is he wrong in his criticisms of the FBI and Clinton (I am not afraid to name names ) scandals and actions ? . Also the democrats in past elections have contested and called into question the results , so this is not the first time .Given the character and actions of the clintons and the current administration skepticism and distrust in them is warranted, not to excess but given the false statements and promises i.e. Obamacare, job growth, etc it is not unreasonable. Unchristian, no, he is questioning his competency , not his faith, when you use your position in this manner you open yourself up to disagreement.
The Bishop is talking about Donald Trump. He IS talking republican.
If the votes are counted incorrectly why should we accept it.
Interesting, though, Bob One, that PJ McGrath’s statement is an exact rendition of Hillary Clinton’s speech yesterday (10/25/16), alleging questioning the election is “an unconstitutional attack”; or, that George Soros has worked through the US Bishops to influence them and to use them politically, including a $650,000 donation in 2015:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/soros-lurks-in-the-shadows-trying-to-bring-down-catholic-church
“Soros was also paying two leftist organizations to work to get “buy-in of individual bishops” who could be counted upon to show more public support of “economic and racial justice messages” and also secure a collection of bishops “who are aligned with the Pope.” – LifeSiteNews.com
Sounds like PJ is just repaying his Soros debt to most of us.
Bob One,
The bishop chose to inject himself in “political” speech so he talks for the agenda of either D or R and favors the platform of L or C. That is a fact.
There has never been an election as important as this one since Lincoln. That also was a choice of unity or civil conflict to decide the direction of our country. History shows the people of any nation will revolt when one side becomes dominate and suppresses the will of the people by whatever means serves their purpose.
Yes, these last eight years of the “America is no longer a Christian nation” Obama have orchestrated a purposeful divide which Catholics who voted for him believed would help ease racial divisions. How did that work out for us. The one statement from him…
Gore never called Bush to give congratulations – in 2000.
Gore would not accept the recount in FL.
Gore would not accept the decision of the FL Supreme Court when he lost.
Gore would not accept the decision of the US Supreme Court when he lost that.
Gore publically stated he disagreed with the US Supreme Court decision.
Here, here!!! Memory is a great thing for many of us!!!
Come together? Working with unholy evils that are assaulting us? Are you mad (or spiritually dead) to even dare suggest such a thing? This mocks God and His law. First, the ‘bishop’ should stick to spiritual matters involving the church, like a pro-life vote stance that he never mentioned. The bishop’s political comments are his one-sided opinion and he shows us where his heart is by using the democratic talking points on this matter. Failed attempt Bishop. Place yourself before God & may He be merciful.
Continued……..BTW, these comments are for Bob One.
Bob One, never before in the history of this country have politicians put in such decadent laws such as so called same-sex marriage; taxation for abortions, including right before the child is due: young girls and women having to undress with boys and men and severe fines for people who refuse to go along with it. No this goes back to the pagan Roman Empire and Caligula, Bob One. This is not American at all. Even the Native American Indian men married women, not men.
Bob, where have you been? This election season has so far been the nastiest.
This Bishop just criticized an unnamed Trump for warning that if the election is rigged, he may not approve of its results. Fair enough, especially since there have been confirmed reports of widespread cheating. Is he kidding?
His Excellency is wacky.
Due Process of Law…which elections are required to adhere to, and if not may be challenged thereby……is about as American as it gets.
And Bishop you must be talking about Al Gore, no?
Taken from the Remnant
Behind the Bronze Doors: Soros Radicals collude with Vatican
Elizabeth Yore
WikiLeaks Release! More Podesta Emails
Drip, drip, drip. The Tiber is overflowing with leaks from WikiLeaks documents which reveal the relationship between notorious George Soros operatives and high level Vatican prelates. They expose that the enemy scaled the Vatican wall and is now ensconced behind the Bronze Doors of St. Peter’s.
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2830-behind-the-bronze-doors-soros-radicals-collude-with-vatican
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Remnant article continued…
In August 2016, the first batch of shocking emails were disclosed in the DCLeaks dump which uncovered George Soros’ Open Society documents confirming the close collaboration between Soros operatives and the Vatican, highlighted in a Soros Open Society U.S. Board Meeting Report in May 2015. The notes discussed the expenditure of $650,000 to PICO to organize activities to engage Pope Francis on economic and racial issues:
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2830-behind-the-bronze-doors-soros-radicals-collude-with-vatican
To quote Abraham Lincoln and plead for all people to come together exemplifies the ignorance beyond belief. Lincoln was by far the most disliked president in the nations history whose election led to the death of over 800,000 fellow citizens and whose second term was only secured by using federal troops to steal that election.
No. It was the slave owners that started the Civil war. Seven Southern states separated from the USA before Lincoln even took office. The slave owners take the Lion’s share of responsibility for the lives lost, not the first Republican president Abraham Lincoln.
Where was the blast or “call to be united” from the clergy when pro-abortion Obama was telling everyone that the elections are rigged? The answer: PUBLICLY donating money to scandalously support and ultimately vote for Obama. It was Catholics who helped place this evil man in power. Where was the call for Catholics to be united against obviously diabolical forces. The primary duty, of a bishop, is to help, all souls, who have been entrusted to him, gain eternal salvation, NOT selective blasts that help gain more Democrat votes. The faithful see right through this latest blast of inconsistency and fear for the souls of our bishops who have led so many souls astray.
continued….
Selective silence or selective “blasts” = complicity with the very dark forces of evil
Published on Oct 22, 2016
Barack Obama warned about rigged elections and voter fraud when he was running for President in 2008, but in 2016 after Donald Trump expressed concerns about the same issue, Obama says it’s “dangerous” and “undermines our Democracy.” Watch the two clips side by side and hear Obama’s amazing flip flop.
Our Lady of Akita stated about these times:
The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
It sounds to me, like Bishop McGrath is just trying to remind people, that it is important for Americans all to work together, as a Nation, and not have any post-election problems, disputes, nor possible violence. The possibility of violence is a scary thing in our country! Regarding Catholic issues, Bishop McGrath is very troubling, as he is not orthodox, and we almost always see him supportive of liberal, destructive “Death Culture” issues!
Bishop McGrath must be for partial birth abortion then. Once Hillary’s Supreme Court is in place the Catholic Church will have to have women priestesses and homosexual weddings to keep its tax excerpt status. A much better plan is that all Catholics vote for our good Donald Trump who will protect religious liberty, eliminate the Lyndon Johnson amendment, and not have partial birth abortion. The Democratic Party is truly evil and our Bishops and Argentinean Pope stand with them because the illegal immigrants are Catholic.
As McGrath is in favor of priestesses, as told me by a friend in San Jose, I’m not surprised that he is curiously not worried by the present and future incursions against religious liberty in the US.
McGrath attended and participated in the installation ceremony of the first female Episcopalian bishop in California.
Gentlemen, I think you are getting Bishop Patrick McGrath mixed up with “Rev.”, later “Bishop” Elsie McGrath of St. Louis who supposedly ordained several women. She belongs to the fake Roman Catholic group called Roman Catholic Women priests. On the other hand Bishop McGrath of San Jose, Ca., told his people not to go to the “ordination” of nor to the invalid and illicit Masses of Victoria Rue who was supposedly ordained in his area.
If something happened after that as far as a change of attitude on his part, I have not heard about it.
Nope. One and the same:
Any word from Bp. McGrath on the sinfulness of voting for a candidate who is a supporter of abortion and has been honored by Planned Parenthood? With the support Hillary Clinton receives from the likes of George Soros, as well as from the FBI and the Department of Justice, can we really believe this will be a fair election?
I am very sorry to say this, but Bishop McGrath appears to be cut out of the same cloth as Pope Francis, Archbishop Cupich, and Bishop McElroy. Voter fraud has been going on in this country for some time now. Just look at all
those dead people in Chicago who voted for Kennedy over Nixon. Already in the 2016 early voting there have been some reports of voting machine “malfunctions.”
And, Bishop McGrath, just who is more pro-life Clinton or Trump? Ponder this please.
Once again, the Church loses respect by not respecting the boundaries.
Not the first time this country has been so divided. Recall the Supreme Court overturned laws intended to end slavery and the Republican party was formed with Abraham Lincoln as first president. Southern Democratic party then declared many of the southern states to be a new country with primary driver being the right to own slaves. Civil war started and the most war deaths in US history occurred.
To paraphrase Patrick Henry: If this be sedition, make the most of it!
I wonder why this bishop, as well as the rest of the American Media, have said nothing about certain Democrats who complained about previous “rigged” elections. For example Al Gore, John Kerry, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Is there a pattern here?
Similar to the pattern of screaming about Trump’s words while ignoring, or even defending, the actions of both Clintons?
For the most part, the Catholic Church in the U.S. is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party. One more example.
For years these two parties have effectively divided Catholics, families, and our nation because they’ve tried to rip morality apart and put it on a wall for their own convenience. How have they stood by our causes? What have they accomplished? Where is the conversation? Where is the unity? I just see nothing but viciousness. Do you really think that by using Satan, you can fight Satan? Padre Pio would be slapping many of you in the face. How wretched to speak in such a way to a Bishop! Don’t you realize that in choosing the lesser of two evils, you’re still choosing evil? and that you don’t need to choose evil at all for God always provides a way out? 1 Cor 10:13-14 Beware that by choosing evil you are also choosing a punishment…
Natasha
You need to study traditional Church teaching on proportionate reasoning before you start denigrating fellow Catholics. Voting for Trump is not evil if you believe he will lessen the harm of an 100% pro-death, criminal witch like hitlary, who has publicly stated she will force religions to change their teachings to fit her pro-death views. As far as this bishop goes, the days of pray, pay and obey are long OVER. It is up to us pewsitters to take our Church back from the librul progressive smoke of Satan agenda that is trying to destroy the faithful.
This is actually brilliantly stated. Thanks, “Steve D.”
God help Bishop McGrath. It is time for him to retire and go back to Dublin where he would be welcome with open arms. He is a Pro Abortion Bishop… check his record. And may I suggest that Bishop McGrath clean up his own diocese before making any suggestion to others. He is a disgrace to the Catholic Church. We do not have to pay any attention to him or follow anything he says.
Why is it that there have been more priests leaving the priesthood in Bishop McGrath’s diocese than any other diocese in CA? It seems a study of his failures would help other bishops. He is the poster child of what NOT to be like as a shepherd.
On target, GStuart: Because it is a zoo (circus?) in San Jose Diocese and his immensity Bp. PJ is the ringmaster.
james, interestingly, many our ‘our’ irsih clergy here retain their irish citizenship and often do return to ireland for their latter grazing days. i’ve met several on the east coast who never really take to america and share their real thoughts about their country of sojourn only among the other irishmen.
This Bishop is hopeless and most “thinking” Catholics in the diocese of San Jose have known this for years. He was AWOL on Prop 8 and never called out Catholic Gov. (then AG Jerry Brown) nor Catholic Gov. Arnold Schwartzeneger for failing to to defend Prop 8 in court. He even has lunches with Islamics while not wanting to even meet with local Evangelical Pastors in the Santa Clara Valley in matters of common Christian purpose.
Anybody else noticing this:
It’s an ‘all hands on deck’ effort to take down the one candidate who believes that America is a Sovereign Nation-state which should be Free and Strong.
Hillary offers us instead “membership,” in a global community where our rights and freedoms are surrendered.
And they have the temerity to claim that of Trump???!
I for one am for America.
I for one am for Trump. God bless America!
Joe, It is Trump against the world. Yet he is for our America & freedoms & strength. The global take over is so ‘big league’ it seems to appeal to and have control over everybody in the establishment/elite/media. I realize I have been lulled asleep for too long by the establishment that is against a Sovereign America. I am glad I woke up to the truth in time to vote for Trump. God bless America and a Trump presidency.
This article has engendered discussions the likes of which I haven’t heard in 56 years of voting. It started with the title. The Bishop did not name Trump. The Bishop called for us to unite as a nation, a nation torn apart. Has there been voter fraud in the past, yes. Has it ever been substantial enough to rig the outcome of a Presidential election? Not really, except for the Chicago myth of the Daley times of “vote early and often.” Al Gore won a plurality of the popular vote, yes. The outcome rested on the results of the Florida votes.
….and yet saying that implying that the election could be rigged borders on sedition is absurd. That’s not standing for the nation. That’s the desire to ignore obvious problems. A method already employed by +McGrath, one that doesn’t unite, but rather allows really filthy dealings to go unchecked while abuse continues.
II. The Gore campaign called for a recall of the Florida votes, which because of the incompetence of the office of Sec. of State was comedy central. In the end, the Court declared the Florida results valid. Al Gore called President Elect Bush, pledged his support for his new President and offered to help when needed. Then he went home. That is how it works in this country. President GHW Bush, after a brutal campaign, left Bill Clinton a wonderful note in the Oval Office pledging his support. It went viral last week. That is how America works. You argue, you vote and then you come together to move on and create a more perfect Union. We are a nation of Laws, not men. We have a Constitution that guides us. Make a decision when you…
Some of what you say, in general, is true. But much is not, “Bob One.” First, Hillary Clinton should be in a courtroom facing trials for her many (alleged) actions, not being considered for the Presidency. Second, America is not the same country that it was; it has coarsened and darkened, morally. The Democratic Party embrace of evil (abortion, homosexual marriage, sex of all kinds everywhere, the need to change things, even the use of “man” in the Navy — like “Seaman” — all shows their need to change everything. But . . .
(Part Deux) ” . . . the “need to come together, to get along” is the theme song of the Hillary Democrats. Why? Because they see no need to debate anything: abortion is settled, homosexual rights is settled, LGBTQXYZ rights are (mostly) settled, and the military is emasculated and populated with sissy generals and admirals, who wish a career and are afraid of saying no to women soldiers (let’s change our standards, instead). Rome hired too many mercenaries as its young men no longer wished to fight. Now, we are craven, all wishing to be popular (or a girl). As they say, get a life.
McGrath is old enough to remember the 2000 election – of Bush v Gore.
Gore did not accept the recount in Florida. Gore, his Dem lawyers took it to the FL Supreme Court and lost. Gore and his Dem lawyers took it to the US Supreme Court and lost. Gore never did call Bush to concede, and publically stated he did not agree with the Supreme Court.
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With all the issues that are on the line such as: Supreme Court and Federal Court appointees, abortion, freedom of religion, national security, Open Borders,
$19.6 Trillion dollars in national debt, etc., one would think McGrath would have something more legitimate and important to write about.
Mike, Gore never said that Bush was not the dully elected President. He went on to be a loyal citizen who supports our Constitutional for m of government.
Many, Many Democrats refused to recognize Bush as President. Today, the media and most of the Executive Branch (career folks) are imbued with Liberal principles and act accordingly. This means that government action on so many fronts rejects traditional American mores and customs, and seek to impose the most inane, the most vile, new doctrines and principles imaginable. This is very much like what is going on in the Catholic Church. Francis is destructing any semblance of Tradition, with the few established orders soon to fall as well. Even the creaking Cardinal Sarah was too much for the hard heart of the present Pope. The SSPX will never return under Francis.
God must be trying to balance out the demonic forces in our Church. During his sermon a couple of Sunday’s ago, the priest at my Parish all but came out and stated that Catholics MUST vote for Trump. He was very careful not to endorse Trump from the pulpit but after Mass told me that Trump should be faithful Catholics choice for President. The clerical class is not immune to partisan lunacy!
Bishop McGrath has no concern to correct liturgical or Eucharistic abuses, or dissenting pro homosexual marriage priests, or liturgical dance, the over use of EMs, insufficient or erroneous CCD,. He likes to give illicit and confusing instructions on postures during mass. Frankly, his Diocese is a mess and he can’t govern it. There’s actual sedition in the laity and he’s done nothing to correct it. Excellency, remove the redwood from your own eye before you search for the supposed speck in someone else’s. I’m happy I no longer live in San Jose where Catholics can either follow the Church’s teaching and disobey their Bishop, or follow their Bishop and disobey Church teaching.
“To Nick says”: exactly what you said. I am in his Diocese …so sad.
Now, Bishop try to seeking more votes for Demonrac? I pray for him everyday & wish him retire soon. and he also did not done his duties about confirmation Mass for children. He always assign for priests or monsignor to gave Confirmation yearly. One day I saw him joint in unknown fundraising party instead gave confirmation in one of parish as the same time. I do not contribution $$$ ADA yearly anymore for several years…I will joint back whenever my diocese have a new Bishop.
Agree, and you should add the dissident Catholic schools in the Diocese of San Jose to the list of many things that the bishop would better turn his mediocre mind to than politics. While I was living in San Jose I witnessed his inaction against dissidence myself and heard about horrors in Catholic schools from friends whose kids attended the high schools: they had religion teachers who spouted heresy and had to sit through Masses with Beatles music and other rock songs.
Congratulations on leaving the diocese.
He also is a big gun-control fanatic (McGrath), according to his monthly column in the diocese newspaper (“The Valley Catholic”).
Which is funny, because when he came to our Catholic facility a couple years back for an annual event, he had an armed guard packing a .38 revolver long-nose.
(Well, after all, you never know when one of the administrators might go postal after all, and try to steal his mitre.)
I live in Santa Clara so I am in his diocese. Everything you said was true. I’ve observed with my own eyes of some of his doings. Furthermore, he will be your best pal if you are a notable donor, he will choose you over your pastor any time for anything. Apparently once you are a bishop, you can be fearless of God.
How sad it is to be a priest under his jurisdiction.
Your Excellency,
Meaning no offense, but if you really want to weigh in concerning this tumultuous election, how ’bout melding it with your actual job, and reminding your flock that the Church’s Gospel of Life teachings must take primacy over all other voting considerations? You do believe that, don’t you??
Really, the mass media has this contrived, sanctimonious tripe about a Trump led insurrection if he loses fully covered.
Surely there are enough pols on the stage at the moment as it is; we really don’t need our bishops attempting to get in on the act.
Frank Hannon
As Catholics we are guided by our Pope, Cardinals, Bishops & Priests. Some are very clear thinking and consistent with the teachings of the church. Others, like Bishop McGrath has become a lost sheep. He isn’t the first Bishop that has lost his way and unfortunately will not be the last. ARCHBISHOP CHAPUT has an excellent article and guidance for voting in the current election.
https://catholicphilly.com/2016/10/think-tank/archbishop-chaput-column/about-those-unthinking-backward-catholics/
FR. FRANK PAVONE also has thoughts about Abortion worth reading.
https://www.breitbart.com/abortion/2016/10/17/ending-days-personally-opposed-abortion/
Interview With Archbishop Joseph Naurman Of Kansas City
This is the excerpt from EWTN on Oct 13th that Raymond interviewed Archbishop Joseph Naurman of Kansas city.
Non- negotiable fundamental values
1. Abortion
A. Clinton:
1. Support abortion on demand up until moment of birth.
2. Repeal the Hyde Admendment (Hyde Admendment is forbidding federal funding).
3. Support the funding of planned parenthood.
4. Appoint judges who will uphold Roe vs. Wade.
B. Trump:
1. Pro-life (exception for rape, incest, life of mother).
2. Support Hyde Admendment.
3. Defund planned parenthood.
4. Appoint judges who are strict constitutionist.
2. Euthanasia
A. Clinton:
Favors assisted suicide/euthanasia-states decides.
B. Trump:
Support GOP…
Bishop McGrath wants to play politics? Fine. Everyone in the Diocese should stop their Sunday offerings and give the money to a reputable charity.
“borders on the seditious” .. The borders are what is seditious. They’re wide open.
The bishop of San Jose is just like his fellow Communist comrades of the city of San Jose. The chief of police allowed Trump supporters at a rally to be beat up by Hilary Clinton and the DNC paid Marxist thugs. The Church is in a major schism. Masks of the Diabolical Globalists New World Order cartel both inside and outside of the Church are coming off!
Michelle, when did our country become so divisive? The Democratic Party is left of center as the Republican Party has been right of center. Being a bit left of center doesn’t make the Communist comrades or Marxist thugs. Those are horrible names to call people. Something tell me you were not around in the days of Stalin. There is no proof that HC paid thugs to go to Trumps rallies. That is pure internet hooey. I have no idea what a Diabolical Globalist is. Is it someone who wants to trade with the rest of the worlds nations? What if we shut down all trade? Where would the U.S. sell its goods. Some want to bring the old middle class job “back again.” Japan, Germany and Korea now produce in the U.S.
“There is no proof that HC paid thugs to go to Trumps rallies. That is pure internet hooey. ” uh no it isn’t it was admitted to by the people involved and they were forced to resign … BTW the Bob One, our dear leader in the White House, his mentor was admitted Marxist and admirer of Stalin please inform yourself before opening your mouth..
Actually, there significant proofs that HRC did, indeed, instigate “Donald Duck” and other “thugs” to infiltrate Trump rallies. She is a vile, reprehensible person, and a liar of the first order. Good to see Comey finally try to do something right by “amending” his recent testimony about HRC email servers. Your attempt to be a mouthpiece for the Dems is falling apart “Bob One.”
Michelle, Japan, Germany, Korea, etc. built factories in our country because that is where the market is. GM builds Buick in China because that is where the market is. The traditional middle class assembly line jobs don’t exist anymore. If GM built a new plant in the U.S. today it would not create many new jobs. The robots are much more reliable. The world isn’t what it was, and that is not the fault of any one President. It has been developing for twenty plus years.
We experience a real diversity of opinion in our country. Donald Trump is the worst possible candidate the Republicans could have chosen. Hillary Clinton is the worst possible candidate the Democrats could have chosen. We all have very strong opinions about each. We know their flaws. Yet, on the day after the election, we will say “good morning Mr. President” or “good morning Madam President”. In any case, one of them will be President of all the people, because the people will have spoken. If our side comes up short we must, for the sake of the country, come together and try to get something done for the country. We can’t go back into our bunkers and start pulling the country apart again. The Constitution is more important…
Bob, the Democrats don’t have one shred of respect for the Constitution. HRC will take a page from the Obama playbook and attempt to rule by illegal executive orders and thwart legislation through lax enforcement. Democrats are totalitarians who honor the Constitution in the breach.
Amen! Succinct and accurate!
Nope, “Bob One.” There is a time to stand up for righteousness. Trump is not perfect, but HRC is a likely criminal. Time to clean house and make America what it was once again. Fight her until she is not elected, or is impeached, or resigns. HRC will be a completely unsuccessful President, one that knows only crony capitalism and pay to play politics. She will do noting but enrich her family, much like Don Vito Corleone. My God, what has America become to even consider such a person as President.
Vito Corleone protected widows and orphans (Senora Columbo and Tom Hagen) and whacked the evil Fanucci. What you didn’t know to dis day is dat it was Barzini all along.
Bob One, the problems of our Nation have been skyrocketing, for many decades! So many in public leadership, have little or no MORAL CONSCIENCE, and are truly un-Christian, immoral, and unethical! Our country is off-track, moreso than many would realize! Lots of danger, for our Nation’s future!
EXCELLENT VIDEO! WORTH WATCHING AND SHARING!
https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/video-christians-trump-or-clinton-cyrus-or-antiochus
Video for Christians: Trump or Clinton? Cyrus or Antiochus?
A new video from the YouTube channel “Sensus Fidelium” dares to ask whom Christians should vote for in November by making a rather atypical comparison unused thus far by conservative bloggers during this election.
What fun to hear his sort go on about unity and oneness, but then he hangs up and it’s back to diversity and rich multicultural tapestries. Oh, and rainbows. Must not forget rainbows.
Easy on McGrath (Ireland). Like LA’s Jose Gomez (Mexico), he’s not from around these here parts. Came to our fair shores full grown, not seeking liberty, but rather sent by well-intentioned (?) yet misguided superiors.
It takes a generation to get the American hang of things. Paddy ‘n Jose (Green Eggs ‘n Ham) are simply not there yet. ‘Course If they took a page from colleague Gabino Zavala, that’s entirely possible.
Hymie, you are always good for a laugh. I am with Horton the Elephant, “A persons a person no matter how small,” and “An elephant’s faithful one-hundred per cent.”
To be fair, though, Bishop McGrath has served several pro life Masses in his diocese, and he did allow a Traditional Latin Mass (Extraordinary Mass) in his diocese when it was left up to the bishops whether or not there could be one.
Well, Anne T., Bp PJ’s “allowing the Traditional Latin Mass” has been a curious exercise in minimizing the effect: he had them moved “out” of 5 Wounds Church back in 2010 with little or no notice:
https://calcatholic.web711.discountasp.net/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=c15ecad3-9d9f-4e46-89ed-39be214e4113
I was there when Fr. Moreau announced in tears he had received a message that they were to “immediately” meet no longer @ 5 Wounds. Now the given excuse was that several members of the 5W parish council had become adamant that the TLM group had to give up the 930AM time “slot”. Well, we would have been happy to have a 1230pm or 130pm time. No.
So PJ’s diocese apparatus put them in a tiny chapel that seats about 40…
..or 50 max, at “The Oratory”, a privately owned Catholic chapel in Santa Clara. That was impossible, because the TLM group had grown, with many young people and families and was well in excess of 150-200 people every Sunday. As a result, people were crowded out on to Homestead Ave every Sunday, even though they had several Masses.
Then, as if that wasn’t enough, PJ’s mysterious diocese operations demanded full control of the privately owned Oratory. Some say he wanted title to the property; but the private board that had put up their own money to rebuild the chapel refused to comply. So he ordered the Institute of Christ the King “out” and forbade their saying Masses at the Oratory.
So, given no choice, the Oratory…
board asked the SSPX to provide the Latin Mass and sacraments to them—calling PJ’s bluff.
And guess what, Anne T: Faced with this defeat, Bp. PJ in 2013, did a total about-face and now re-invited the Institute of Christ the King to the TLM group at 5 Wounds again, where we now have the TLM Mass again!
https://www.institute-christ-king.org/sanjose/
What! I thought the TLM people were “warring” with the 5 Wounds people, and could not be allowed @ 5 Wounds! Something is rotten in Diocese-mark.
So, Bp McGrath really is not a fan of the Latin Mass at all (a matter I know from various comments of his on several occasions; and to my knowledge he has never celebrated a Latin Mass himself), and in my view,…
…would like them (the TLM Catholic) to go away or, as some of his priests have actually said “die off”—yet the average age and the many families that attend are often quite young with many children—even in San Jose!
Finally, the reason the “hated” SSPX are now thriving in 3 locations in San Jose (their retreat house in Los Gatos; the Oratory Chapel in Santa Clara; and now the St. Thomas More Church on White Rd on the San Jose East Side—is directly traceable to the episcopal leadership who has treated Trad Mass Catholics so badly.
That is why I have no animus vs. the SSPX—if they didn’t exist, we would have NO Latin Mass in San Jose, thanks to PJ’s clever machinations.
Thank you for the info. I was aware of some of the details but not all.
I was referring to the general political platform of a party, by the way, when I quoted Dr. Suess’s Horton the Elephant. I was not calling anyone any names. That was not my intention.
Along with an LGBTB Mass:
https://www.dsj.org/cultural-ministries/catholic-lgbt-ministry-council/
Interesting Ireland connection w/McGrath. The pedophile priest who vampirized the children in San Jose used to take “boys” to Ireland over the summer for a cultural trip.
Golly, and they wonder why folks don’t trust sending their kids to the high priced “Catholic” schools anymore.
@Hymie: Nice if AB Gomez wasn’t rally his troops center stage at La Raza gatherings (with the Mexican flag) in Los Angeles demanding rights for people who broke the law and are illegals in the United States.
McGrath might channel his civic energies into keeping better tabs on Mark Gurries, Fr. Flickinger, and other San Jose pedophiles.
Also nouveau millionaire pastors like Hien Minh Nguyen.
YFC, Hitler murdered millions of innocent people. Abortionists, with the help of pro-abortion politicians, have murdered millions of unborn babies! Do you vote for pro-abortion politicians?
“Our nation has always succeeded historically in coming together . . .”
As when Lincoln succeeded Buchanan? Or George v George circa 1776? Contentious and unsettling indeed.
From outright appearance Obama has been pushing to change our nation to become socialist and on several occasions has used the European Union as an example of how he wants our nation to be. He has also pushed for illegal immigration, illegally executive-ordering in hundreds of thousands of middle-eastern refugees (over 90% which are fighting age men), and working for amnesty with the intention to get these people to join the democratic party by convincing them and our poor that the democratic party is behind them, with the goal of growing a democratic party that is so great in numbers that it will overwhelm and defeat any conservative republicans in any elections. This is further evident by the fact that the democrats are against Voter…
In the European Union the member nations have multiple political party’s each, whereas in China and North Korea, they have a single Communist Party. A member of the Communist Party is a member of the ruling class in those countries, and live the good life compared to their serfs, their fellow citizens left to live as they are told. These poor serf’s i.e. non-communist party members, the majority of the population can not resist, can not fight back as the tyranny prevents the serfs from having weapons to defend themselves. What will happen if we allow the Obama-Clinton-Communist vision to grow, in deceiving baby-steps of course? Socialism will replace our democracy and republic. Then when the democratic party is so overwhelmingly…
I’ll wager the Aborted Souls all think the system’s rigged against them.
Then when the democratic party is so overwhelmingly powerful just like it has become in California where 2 democrats, not 1 republican versus 1 democrat, but 2 democrats are running against each other for US Senate to replace the wicked Barbara Boxer! What kind of a multi-party system is that? It is the beginning of demoncrat overthrow, of our government, that is the beginning of communism in America! Based on precedence whatever liberal ideas become law in California, they eventually work their way in all the other states.