San Diego Bishop Robert McElroy said recently that there is “repugnant” and “corrosive” bigotry toward individuals identifying as LGBT on the part of “a group of people across all religious views.”
This “particularly antagonistic” regard for LGBT individuals by people in this group generates from the depths of the souls, Bishop McElroy said. It is a reality that must be faced and one that is “incompatible with what we hope to be as a church.”
The bishop was cited and quoted by New York Times columnist Frank Bruni for a recent “The Scariest Catholic in America” op-ed that focused on another Catholic venue rescinding a speaking engagement from controversial Jesuit Father James Martin.
Bruni’s NYT op-ed last weekend followed a number of others that framed Martin in an exceedingly laudatory light, beginning by calling him “a Roman Catholic rock star.” It also minimized Martin’s troubling presentation of the LGBT issue, contending that all he has done is call for Catholics to be more respectful and compassionate to LGBT-identifying individuals.
Martin is the American Jesuit priest, writer and editor-at-large of the Jesuit America magazine. Pope Francis named him as a consultant to the Vatican’s Secretariat for Communications in April 2017.
Father Martin has made numerous troubling public assertions regarding homosexuality that are at odds with Church teaching. They include, among others, suggesting that God created homosexuals as they are and that chastity is not required of homosexuals. He has stated that Catholics should reverence gay marriage, and gave his support to transgenderism in children and the idea of gays kissing at the sign of peace during Mass.
“McElroy said that while there are calm-voiced critics of Father Martin with earnest concerns about what they see as the church’s drift from traditional sexual morality,” Bruni wrote, “there are also out-and-out bigots whose methods are ‘incompatible with what we hope to be as a church.’”
“We have to face the fact that there is a group of people across all religious views that are particularly antagonistic to LGBT people,” McElroy told him. “That comes from deep within the human soul, and it’s really corrosive and repugnant.”
McElroy was among those critical of the Martin cancellations early on. He wrote last fall that opposition to Martin’s speaking engagements was a “campaign of distortion” that “must be challenged and exposed, calling it a “cancer of vilification is seeping into the institutional life of the church.”
McElroy said as well that it was a “concerted attack” on Martin’s work, driven by homophobia, a “distortion of fundamental Catholic moral theology” and “a veiled attack on Pope Francis and his campaign against judgmentalism in the church.”
McElroy formally endorsed Martin’s book. The bishop has commended one of his LGBT-affirming parishes for its “particularly welcoming” approach, and he has said the Catechism of the Catholic Church language defining homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered” is “very destructive language that I think we should not use pastorally.”
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I have never met any Catholic, even on this website, who was bigoted against an LBGT person who accepted the Church’s teaching and tried to live it.
Let Father Martin buy his advertisements, please.
Oh Bishop, just resign already, and you too Father Martin. Both of you are scandalizing the Church and leading souls to hell with your twisted versions of moral truth. Remember the saints who told of visions of hell, where bishops skulls paved the floor and the consecrated hands of priests burned eternally. Repent while you still can.
The bishop who decries judgmentalism is judgmental. Go figure.
mcelroy is the wrong ‘gift’ for the people of the san diego area. there must be a special novena for the reassignment of bishops.
Bishop McElroy is endorsing Sodom and Gomorrah.
I think what is ‘corrosive and repugnant’ and ‘intrinsically disordered’……is the continual disregard for the 10 Commandments…which are NOT suggestions!….God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow…he does not change His laws to accommodate man’s sinful whims of the times…and the glorification of mortal sin! to disregard these TRUTHS to please ones eroded conscience for disordered perverted pleasure will put you on the wide road to hell…life is full of choices….we are not of this world but we are in it to be the light of Christ to lead others to heaven….the TRUTH will set you free….
The Bishop says the words “intrinsically disorder” in the catechism should not be used pastorally. In the creed, are or are not the words used “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church” ect ect. Are these words very destructive for Homosexulists ? The pick and choose teachings to fit certain lifstyles away from Gods plan. Way to go Bishop.
“.. “cancer of vilification is seeping into the institutional life of the church.” When the laity defend Church teaching where a bishop such as McElroy won’t, they are vilified in a most judgmental way.
This man will probably be made a Cardinal …face it folks only the Faithful laity will save the Church at this point.
You all have spoken so well in truth, intelligence, and respect and love. No Catholic rejects people who are dealing with temptations even when they fall, but we do reject behaviors which God rejects. None of you deserve to be attacked for your acceptance of the truth regarding sexuality and chastity, especially by your church officials. The question in my mind is why the attacks from Fr. Martin, this bishop and others? What is in it for them?
They serve the prince of darkness.
Fr. asks what is in it for them? I think they relieve their consciences of guilt promoting social engineering and social justice. They are trying to establish new paradigms of morality in Church teaching so they can live sodomite lives and gain public acceptance for that life style. There is ample evidence their approach along with MSM support is winning in the public arena. Their also might be money in it for them given the corruption and heresy the world is dealing with in many institutions world wide and what we are seeing both in the Church and political areas might be just the tip of the iceberg. We must remember the streets of hell are paved with good intentions. I don’t hate sinners and neither does Christ, but He expects…
The majority of Americans, particularly the younger set, accept homosexuality as a norm. They also think the church is evil because it doesn’t. The church’s stand is one of the main reasons so many young people are leaving the church in droves. Obviously there has been a lack of good teaching about the faith over the years. That is true for the older generations as well. New scientific research pretty much proves that people are born homosexual. So, what are we to do as new information emerges. First, we should treat all homosexuals with the respect they deserve as human beings. If we could all take that small step it would make a big difference in the world and our lives. The rest will follow.
Nobody is born homosexual. That’s your biggest error, but not your only one.
“New scientific research pretty much proves that people are born homosexual.”
Bob One, we are not called to be popular, but faithful. The sexual revolution has indeed captured the hearts and minds of many — so what? Those in darkness always curse the light — so what? Are we then to reject the light because it is no longer popular? It is basic human nature, no matter how base our morals may be, to assume the moral high ground. So it is no surprise those in darkness call the Church evil. So what? Our Lord was crucified, so we are in good company. As for your “new information”? Tendentious and tedious.
Well said Dan, Bob One believes that we need to accept the world’s teaching and abandon the Truth.
Bob One, I lost track of a young Catholic man when he went to join an order. The next thing I heard was that he had left the order and was in a relationship with a transgender man. Now they have married and he goes to another Christian Church and is the head of one of their evangelization programs for young people.
I do not know what happened. Maybe someone treated him disrespectfully, but that doesn’t explain everything. I assume that he could not get what he wanted in the Catholic Church and went elsewhere.
Bob One, Original Sin is the cause for homosexuality even if their is a biological component.. Our nature corrupted when God’s grace was removed.
I believe the author confuses chastity and celebacy. All are called to live chastely; not all celebately.
Those who are not sacramentally married are expected to be continent. It requires prayer and self-mastery.
And some Jesuit priests and some bishops have corrosive and repugnant views on revising the Catechism, revising Catholic morality, and introducing erroneous pastoral practices.
It’s clear there is a schism in the Church caused by apostates in the clergy and their lay followers; the schism is just unofficial and unacknowledged. The schism has widened under Pope Francis because he has encouraged it with his writings and statements. I don’t see how any objective analyst could deny the reality of the Church being in schism.
Catholic definitions are different than secular definitions.
Apostasy is the complete rejection of the entire Catholic Faith by someone who formerly believed.
Schism is a refusal of submission to the Pope or a refusal to be in communion with the Church headed by the Pope..
The Church seeks to enable every person to live out the universal call to holiness. Persons with a homosexual inclination ought to receive every aid and encouragement to embrace this call personally and fully. This will unavoidably involve much struggle and self-mastery, for following Jesus always means following the way of the Cross…. The Sacraments of the Eucharist and of Penance are essential sources of consolation and aid on this path.”
– USCCB, Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination (2006), p. 13
By its very nature, the sexual act finds its proper fulfillment in the marital bond. Any sexual act that takes place outside the bond of marriage does not fulfill the proper ends of human sexuality. Such an act is not directed toward the expression of marital love with an openness to new life. It is disordered in that it is not in accord with this twofold end and is thus morally wrong. “Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.”
USCCB :Ministry to Persons With a Homosexual Inclination
Whenever homosexual acts are mentioned in the Old Testament, it is clear that they are disapproved of, as contrary to the will of God.11 In the New Testament, St. Paul teaches that homosexual acts are not in keeping with our being created in God’s image and so degrade and undermine our authentic dignity as human beings. He tells how homosexual practices can arise among people who erroneously worship the creature rather than the Creator: Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for…
…for their perversity.
St. Paul listed homosexual practices among those things that are incompatible with the Christian life.
USCCB “Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination
So is God guilty of having the corrosive and repugnant views on homosexuality that Bishop McElroy says some religious people have?
No. I wish he had made that more clear.
“I spoke with Bishop McElroy recently, and he said that while there are calm-voiced critics of Father Martin with earnest concerns about what they see as the church’s drift from traditional sexual morality, there are also out-and-out bigots whose methods are “incompatible with what we hope to be as a church.” “We have to face the fact that there is a group of people across all religious views that are particularly antagonistic to L.G.B.T. people,” he told me. “That comes from deep within the human soul, and it’s really corrosive and repugnant.”
“Scariest Catholic in America” NYT
This last statement is a back door entry into allowing homosexuality as normal. It is normal to feel repugnance to reprehensible behavior, particularly when it is being forced on us by government, judges, churchmen either by law or by personal attacks on our integrity. Rejection of sin is NOT an antagonism. What is corrosive and repugnant is support for this behavior without help or hope to those who suffer it by those who claim to represent Jesus Christ.
As far as I can tell, the worst thing that has been done to Fr. Martin by these antagonistic people is name-calling. Welcome to social media! One of the people who called Father Martin names received threats of physical violence. Not from Fr. Martin but from someone who read the interaction and couldn’t handle it. Calling people names and using slurs is an emotional dump. It is how some people retaliate, some are just genuinely overwrought. And sometimes they are just ignorant. Catholics and Christians are supposed to be better than this, but we are supposed to be able to take an insult, too. Is there bigotry against LGBT people? Yes. Is there bigotry against Catholic priests? Yes. Is there bigotry against traditionally moral…
What I took is “it’s ok to disagree as long as you are “Calmed-voiced.” If you want to make a moral point, you need to do it in a moral way. Bad behavior just makes people double down in their error and convinces them that they have the moral high ground.
For me, the expectation of a priest, is that he will put the good of someone’s soul ahead of their feelings. We can choose our words more carefully so as not to offend but we can not change the fact that all sex outside of sacramental marriage is a mortal sin and if one dies without repenting of it, they will spend eternity in hell. We have a moral obligation to remind people who are committing mortal sin of the consequences.
Another problem is that even if someone in mortal sin knows they are going to go to hell, other Catholics will tell them that they aren’t.
Bravo Father for your wise insight: “. It is normal to feel repugnance to reprehensible behavior, particularly when it is being forced on us…”
Seems like I am no longer being allowed to post on certain issues here, which would be ok if certain passionately Radical Homosex Activists were also not allowed to push their repugnant Anti-Catholic positions here.
Still – Father Richard got it right!
The pastor of the parish where the event was cancelled wrote a letter to his parishioners stating that it was not pressure from online “hate” groups that made him cancel it. It was that he did not want the parish to be thrust into a media storm again after having experienced too much of that recently with the death of a young parishioner that made the news and with the murder of their former pastor that also made the news.
Then there was the twitter spat between Father Martin and Father Bozovzky after which Father Bozovsky tweeted:
I’ve learned my lesson. Don’t challenge Fr. James Martin or those who follow him will go on the attack. Sadly clear who they worship.
FYI, I temporary protected my tweets because for now I can’t babysit my account and delete vulgarity and hate.
Fr. James Martin is going to speak at the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress in Anaheim, CA in just over a month. One of his workshops will be about his Building a Bridge book. All of this is just dandy with Archbishop Gomez.
Father Martin has stated often, and publicly, that his Jesuit superiors have forbidden him to disclose his sexual orientation. Does anyone doubt what that orientation is? It’s the worst kept secret in the world. He’s America’s sweetheart.
We are all to love and respect people whom are homosexuals……but we MAY NEVER CONDONE their actions!!!!!!
‘New scientific research pretty much proves that people are born homosexual. ‘
There is NONE.
I came across this about Father Martin’s book, Building a Bridge
“A welcome and much-needed book that will help bishops, priests, pastoral associates, and all church leaders, more compassionately minister to the LGBT community. It will also help LGBT Catholics feel more at home in what is, after all, their church.” — Cardinal Kevin Farrell, Prefect of the Vatican’s Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life
This is the Cardinal who a recent article claimed would not let LGBT activists speak at the Vatican according to organizers of a women’s group that wants leadership positions in the Church. Weird.
If you want to be fast tracked into becoming a Cardinal, then you should follow the example of the prelates that are mentioned in this article. One of them will probably replace Cardinal Sarah. The more you attack those who keep God’s commandments, the better. This is the new norm.
I have a question for Fr. Perozich or FrMichael or any other priest who reads this:
I have a relative who is not gay. They pride themselves on being a gay ally. I think it is mostly a sympathy thing because so many LBGT teens feel lonely and left out. They see nothing wrong with gay relationships or marriage or anything transgender. I do not think they support promiscuity or relationships just for sex. I think they are all about helping people feel accepted and loved..
At what point does this become sin? or sinful enough that they should not approach for communion?
Bp McElroy says criticism of the Jesuit Martin is homophobic, yet Martin has never, shall we say, publicly owned to it. Or must we await the other shoe, uh, droppings?
The survival of the fittest takes place in nature via reproduction of the fittest members of the species. Those who obstinately refuse to mate properly can not have offspring. Their genetic traits will not be not passed on the to next generation as a result of their unfitness. Homosexuality can not sustain life. It is unnatural. It is very disgusting. No one should be coerced into showing support for it.
It’s literally incredible that something so obviously unnatural and deviant and harmful and wrong could have the support of so many people. It’s especially incredible that it could have the support of so many in the Church!
Is this the age of stupidity, or what?
Yet homosexuality persists in humans and in other animals. How do you account for that? It appears that if homosexuality is genetic (and there is some good evidence that it is…though it doesn’t rise to the level of proof), perhaps there are things about homosexuality that allow the species as a whole to persist. How would your genetic model work with traits like that?
There is evidence, though not proof, that pedophilia has a biological component too. Why does it persist ?
pedophilia has nothing to do with this topic, Jim. Besides which, I doubt you know of a single shred of evidence that pedophilia has a “biological component”, whatever that means.
It, like homosexuality, may have a biological component . Everyone agrees it is immoral. So a condition exists with biological components considered immoral. If one such condition exists, so can others. Homosexuality may have a biological component. It too is immoral. They are similar to the extent that both have biological components. Both were not part of God’s created intent. Rather they are conditions manifested after The Fall.
Just google biological influence on pedophilia.you will find them. Including one in the L.A. Times a few years ago.
Jim .. let me point out for the umpteenth time here … The Church doesn’t teach, and in fact rejects the idea that “Homosexuality” e.g. the condition of being homosexual is NOT immoral nor a sin. What the Church teaches is a sin is any kind of sex other than vaginal intercourse open to conception. This is so basic I’m amazed people here don’t get it. As a homosexual myself, I find the asseretion offensive
The Church does not teach that homoesexuality is immoral. And the Original post by Anonymous was not about whether there was a “biological component” to any of these things, it was about whether homosexuality meets “survival of the fitness” questions. To be sure, it is an interesting question that Anonymous posted. How is it that a trait that seems opposed to fitness persists? Yet it does persist. It tells me that we don’t yet understand the creator’s intent.
C&H, vaginal intercourse open to conception can also be a sin. Outside of a marriage, it is the sin of fornication. All sexual contact outside of marriage is a sin. There are also sinful thoughts, such as willful fantasies and desires. I’m sure you know this.
I’m wondering if you have read any “Theology of the Body” books? They are based on some teachings of Saint Pope John Paul II. They vary in quality and understandability. Here is a link to the original lessons.
The creator’s intent can be found in the Bible. You should try reading the Bible before you come here and start commenting. You make yourself look ignorant. You can do better than that.
All sorts of biologically based diseases and disorders continue to persist. A consequence of Original Sin.
Heart defects persist. So do vision and hearing defects. Do people claim that those with heart defects have nothing wrong: they only have a different cardial orientation? No. Is blindness a different visual orientation? No. Is deafness a different aural orientation? No. In all those cases, a defect is affirmed as undesired and efforts are made to fix it. Only in sex are abnormalities twisted into being a type of normalcy by those who hate the truth, and they are even trying to ban reparative therapy. Why not ban eyeglasses to correct vision or pacemakers to correct irregular heartbeats? Ah, the truth.
Animals offer themselves out of fear. Prisoners often do the same. Here is a good instruction to understand untamed sexuality https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2/PragerHomosexuality.php I work to tame sexuality daily, and with the power of the Holy Spirit, all Christians can do so to live chastely according to God’s plan. We don’t deserve to be called corrosive by those who entertain unchaste attitudes.
The question isn’t about chastity or about taming anything. It is about whether the trait exists in nature and how it relates to “survival of the fittest”, as Anonymous statement Feb 10 claimed it did not.
Alpha males with good survival skills should have intercourse with many women. Evolution says this is good. God’s Word says it is forbidden. We are guided by God not nature.
Pedophilia persists too. Why?
Fr. Perozich, thank you for posting that link. I read that article several days ago and wanted to post it on here but did not have the time to do so. It is a most excellent article from a Jewish perspective that tells where we Christians got our ideas for moral behavior. As one rabbi said, “When it comes to moral behavior Jews and Christians stand or fall together.” There are many JINOS (Jews in name only) out there also.
C&H and Catholic …
I understand and agree with your last comments. I tend to use it as a shortcut under the assumption the Church’s exact position is understood. I will avoid that in the future. Now, can you please address my original (revised) point?
It, like homosexuality, may have a biological component . Everyone agrees pedophilia actions with children are immoral. The condition is disordered So this condition exists and may have biological components, the condition is considered disordered and the action immoral. If one such condition exists, so can others. Homosexuality may have a biological component. It too is disordered and the actions immoral. They are similar to the extent that both have biological components. Both were…
It has been demonstrated above that nature discriminates against homosexuality. Therefore, discrimination against homosexuality is natural. Also, the law that God gave to Moses discriminates against homosexuality. Therefore, discrimination against homosexuality is also preternatural and holy. Those who obstinately persist in homosexual activity up to the moment of death will go to hell. There is no hope for those who reject God.
Fr. Martin often calls people who disagree with him “haters”. Who’s guilty of being corrosive now?
There is one big reason why Fr. Martin has made this issue his cause celebre. It doesn’t take a psychologist to figure it out. His hatred of people who disagree with him is a projection of his own self-loathing about something his religious superiors have ordered him not to speak about publicly.
I have never seen “self-loathing” in Father James Martin, S.J.
He’s campaigning to be named a cardinal.
The LGBT group is having a Lupercalia this month in San Francisco. My advice is to stay away from that area on that day. Hopefully, they will no longer try to ruin St. Valentine’s Day as some have been doing the last several years.
The more times change, the more they stay the same. Pagan Rome is still with us, God bless and protect the true Christian saints.
I guess you didn’t click on the Nude Valentines Parade article in the ELSEWHERE column.
Anne … Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Lupercalia?
You can look the word up on line. Those who know the history of the pagan Roman Empire know how some pagans often went overboard in the celebrations of their gods. Some people in San Francisco got permission to have a Lupercalia party with permission to walk around on the streets naked. I was warning people, who might get caught up in traffic there, to avoid that area as they, or their children, might see things they do not wish to see.
The Lupercalia in SF is Friday. It is a “decadent dance party.” It is not nude. You are expected to dress up.
The Nude parade is Saturday.
They are two separate events.
I am not going to use the LGBT term anymore. Homosexuality is not bisexuality is not transgenderism and they should not be all lumped together.
What exactly does corrosive mean in this context?
I hope at some point, Father Martin will come to terms with his critics and Bishop McElroy will understand that not all people show love in the same way. Sometimes, people are coming from a good place but they don’t know how to express it. Others show love by worrying and projecting anxieties on to others and wanting to protect others. Life is messy. People are faulty. We all have the same faults; they manifest in different ways. I hope everyone advances in faith, hope and love. We all make mistakes. We all get misunderstood. We all don’t get treated the way we would like. Stay firm in the faith.
As a former homosexual of 30 years who left the sin of homosexuality twenty years ago and I have never returned to that sin and I have no desire or reason I would ever go back to that sin, I find it blasphemous and degrading that San Diego’s Catholic bishop McElRoy held a special service for homosexual activists who mock Christianity, promote gay pornography and who are men who dress up as Catholic Nuns. People go to church to repent of their sins and to be delivered from their iniquities. McElroy is now telling unrepentant homosexual activists that Christians are bad and homosexuality is good. He is one step away from offering communion and a teaching position to pedophiles.
I give thanks to Jesus, Mary and you Guardian Angel for your conversion. Thank you for cooperating with God’s grace.
James … Again I say, there is no such sin as homosexuality. The Church is very clear on that. As I’ve pointed out above “hat the Church teaches is a sin is any kind of sex other than vaginal intercourse open to conception.” This applies to gays and straights equally.
It is a mortal sin for a man to have sex with another man or a woman to have sex with another woman. That is clear Church teaching.
By the way, it is incorrect to say that St. Valentine’s Day came from the Roman Lupercalia. The Lupercalia celebrated a god of fertility who was prormiscuous, whereas St. Valentine’s Day celebrates a Christian priest who was martyred because he was caught marrying Christian a man and a woman in a Christian ceremony. Most likely St. Valentine was martyred around that time of year. The Lupercalia was on February 15th.
C&H and Catholic …
I understand and agree with your last comments. I tend to use it as a shortcut under the assumption the Church’s exact position is understood. I will avoid that in the future. Now, can you please address my original (revised) point?
It, like homosexuality, may have a biological component . Everyone agrees pedophilia actions with children are immoral. The condition is disordered So this condition exists and may have biological components, the condition is considered disordered and the action immoral. If one such condition exists, so can others. Homosexuality may have a biological component. It too is disordered and the actions immoral. They are similar to the extent that both have biological components. Both…