The following comes from a November 7 Washington Post story.
Supporters of gay marriage succeeded Tuesday night not just on ballot referenda but in state legislatures. Maine and Maryland voted to legalize same-sex marriage, Washington state gay marriage advocates are confident their referendum will pass, and voters in Minnesota rejected a constitutional amendment banning the practice (though it is still illegal in the state). But on top of those victories come some other significant gains that could lead to new legislation in 2013.
An Iowa judge running for reelection was targeted over his ruling in favor of gay marriage, but he kept his seat. Democrats held onto the Iowa Senate, blocking Republicans who hoped to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
Democrats also regained control of the state legislature in Minnesota. With both chambers and the governorship, they will likely repeal the state’s gay marriage ban — exactly what conservatives hoped to prevent with the failed constitutional amendment.
Colorado will have gay leaders in charge of both the House and the Senate in 2013, after winning the lower chamber Tuesday. Republicans defeated a civil unions bill in the state Senate this year; Democrats will have the power to pass it next year.
Democrats say they have taken the state Senate in New York, where the National Organization for Marriage had targeted lawmakers who voted in gay marriage last year. (We may not know for sure who won here until later this week.) For Republicans who backed gay marriage in the state and lost conservative support, it was a mixed bag.
And, of course, Wisconsin elected the country’s first openly gay U.S. senator, Tammy Baldwin.
To read original story, click here.
November 7 brought this email from Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage.
Obviously last night did not go the way that we had hoped, prayed and worked so hard to accomplish. Our endorsed candidate for president, Mitt Romney, came close but did not cross the finish line. We are very disappointed in losing four tough election battles on marriage by narrow margins. Even though marriage significantly out-performed the GOP ticket in each of these very liberal, very Democratic states, we also came up just short of the finish line.
But make no mistake: we are disappointed, but we are not defeated! We are fighting for a true and just cause—God’s institution of marriage. This is a social compact that is not only ordained by the Almighty, it has served society very well. It’s a cause worth fighting and with your support we will continue to do just that.
We knew long ago that we faced a difficult political landscape with the four marriage battles occurring in four of the deepest-blue states in America. As our opponents built a huge financial advantage, the odds became even steeper. We ran strong campaigns and nearly prevailed in a very difficult environment, significantly out-performing the GOP ticket in every state.
Despite the fact that NOM was able to contribute a record amount to the campaigns (over $5.5 million), we were still heavily outspent, by a margin of at least four-to-one. We were fighting the entirety of the political establishment in most of the states, including sitting governors in three of the states who campaigned heavily for gay marriage.
The USCCB is having their Fall Conference starting Monday, Nov 12. It will be televised on EWTN.
A ‘summary’ of their agenda is on the USCCB web site.
In light of the election outcome across the USA – do you think the Bishops have learned a lesson ?
Exit polls showed that 50% of all Catholics voted for Obama, and 65% of all Latinos voted for Obama. (Approx 80% of Latinos profess to be Catholic.)
Do you think they have anything on their agenda regarding the “Year of Faith” which includes the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” ? – NO
Do you think they have anything on EDUCATION of Catholics who attend Church with the CCC so they can accurately evangelize ? – NO
Do you think they have anything on the handling of politicians who profess to be “Catholic” yet are heretics or schismatics and give public SCANDAL leading to relativism – (enforcement of Canon 915 or formal excommunication) ? – NO
Do you think they have anything on their agenda about Colleges and Universities that advertise themselves to be ‘Catholic’,
yet do not have Mandatums as required by Canon Law for all those who teach theology,
or do not use the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” as a required student text ? – NO.
Great post Pete. I just sat thru my dose of heresy for the year of faith at a Faith Formation conference in Santa Clara. Mostly from Jesuit Theology professors. I can’t believe all of the important subjects you noted will be ignored.
Sorry date should be starting Wed, Nov 14.
Thank you, dear Bishops and dear Vatican curia, all those who are, were, or enabled homosexuals. They have the money and certainly the time (no kids, no true family structure) to attack, attack, attack — like Imperial Japan at Pearl Harbor it is Tora, Tora, Tora time! Not that many (? Most ?) of the clergy in the Catholic Church mind very much. Talk to many a priest privately and chances are they will hint that letting homosexuals have their way is pretty much what God wanted anyway. Homosexuals and feminists have pretty much ruined the Catholic Church today. With demands for women priests, an increasingly feminized clergy and liturgy (no, the new translation did not stop any of this), and fierce opposition to anything Traditional, the interest groups have won. And, of course, those influenced by Vatican II (and are non-homosexuals), simply refuse to see that the aircraft is on empty and about to crash. There will be a survivor or two, the Holy Ghost promised that, but times will be increasingly difficult.
All that money and effort spent just to save the word “marriage”! That’s all it is anymore anyway – just a word. In a country where God is denied, abortion is rampant, pornography is everywhere, fornication and contraception and divorce are the norm, and the Catholic Church fails its mission to form right consciences, why should the God-ordained state of marriage mean anything?
Gee, and that’s the good straight folk you are talking about! Great examples of the “sanctity of marriage” being described.
Very true Pete. If “straight folk” continue to be selfish, self centered, what’s in it for me–traditional marriage will die, more babies will be killed, children will suffer greatly (a HUGE sin) and grow up harden and lost like their parents.
ya but their full support went here in California for the end of the death penalty and praise God they did not succeed in ending it!
All the pleasures of the world, and all the kingdoms of this earth, shall profit me nothing. It is better for me to die in behalf of Jesus Christ, than to reign over the all the ends of the earth. for what shall a man be profited, if he gain the whole world, but lose his own soul? Him I seek, who died for us: Him I desire, who rose again for our sake.” — St. Ignatius of Antioch
Some shall find this out soon.
So very pleased to see that my vote for President went to a wonderful cause! The far religious right wing begged to have the people decide the issue of gay marriage by vote, THE VOTERS DID, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! Raymond Cardinal Burke must be in mourning, however, no one requested that he bless these gay unions/marriages!!
Clergymen may not have to bless “gay” unions/”marriages” yet, but they will in the not-to-distant future, as the vindictive, vengeful militant homosexuals will never give up, especially with their friend Obama around for another four years.
President Obama was abandoned by his father AND his mother, and so now this country and the world is paying for it. But instead of rectifying the situation and seeing that it does not happen to others, he is only making it worse. God help us all. I clearly know now why the Lord Jesus said, “Whatsoever God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” Tearing up other people’s marriages only destroys the people doing it.
Anne T you fear the Lord…that is a gift and many lack it today..they have made god’s out of themselves..only coming to God when they see fit. As you can see some of them even use the church….God have mercy on us all.
Abeca Christian, some on here can twist the Bible and the Catechism so badly that they are like cats chasing their tails and in the end they are the ones getting bitten.
I agree Anne T
Maybe they are into kinky sex that getting bitten is their goal…sick but I think that is how their minds work.
What is the great motivating force behind the drive to legalize gay “marriage” so that in time it will be a “given” and “settled law”, like the backers of legalized killing (abortion on demand) hoped would be the case with their “cause?” This loony maniacal propensity to insist that two men or two women be able to have some kind of union of soul and body EXACTLY like NORMAL heterosexual couples is, in many ways, so against the natural law that to fight for this unhinged idea requires one to step back and wonder: what’s REALLY behind this twisted energizer bunny of deviance that SO CONSUMES the propagators of it? So far, the only reference to ANY government even entertaining such a preposterous and hideous notion like “gay marriage” that I’ve found reference to (OUTSIDE OF OUR 20TH AND 21ST CENTURY, THAT IS) is the case of the obviously demonic Nero,the noxious, madman emperor of Rome, when he attempted to “marry” one of his neutered concubines after allegedly falling in “love” with him. Michael Voris of the “Vortex” believes that the real force for this delusional monstrosity of an idea is plain and simple: just the hell-driven urge to NORMALIZE SODOMY, a way for the forces of evil to stick it to Almighty God. Revenge for what happened @ Sodom and Gomorrah. I think he’s on to something. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
solid post Markrite. thank you.
The victories for marriage equality in Maine, Minnesota, Washington and Maryland tell me one thing: Americans are learning to make better value judgments.
Why is it that Straight couples are encouraged to date, get engaged, marry and build lives together in the context of monogamy and commitment, and that this is a GOOD thing … yet for Gay couples to do exactly the same is somehow a BAD thing? To me this seems like a very poor value judgment.
Ask any Straight couple why they choose to marry. Their answer will not be, “We want to get married so that we can have sex and make babies!” That would be absurd, since couples do not need to marry to make babies, nor is the ability of even desire to make babies a prerequisite for obtaining a marriage license.
No, the reason couples choose to marry is to make a solemn declaration before friends and family members that they wish to make a commitment to one another’s happiness, health, and well-being, to the exclusion of all others. Those friends and family members will subsequently act as a force of encouragement for that couple to hold fast to their vows.
THAT’S what makes marriage a good thing, whether the couple in question is Straight OR Gay. It looks like American voters are starting to accept that.
Chuck sodomy is a grave sin! and for your information the gays are already adopting children, forcing them to comply to their abnormal lifestyle away from the natural law! The gays are imposing their lifestyles on society! Children have the right to be adopted to a mum and pop not to two of the same sex who want to play house!
All human beings need to comply with the natural law in which God has instituted for mankind! This country was started on the bases to uphold laws for the common good and common decency, gay marriage is not for the common good nor common decency!
“…Whether the couple in question is Straight OR Gay.” Couple? Why do you say “couple,” Chuck? Why does a marriage have to consist of a couple? Why not any number or type of entities? You seem rather dogmatic about marriage being between two people, because you repeatedly use the word “couple.”
All its proves Chuckie boy is that more Americans are dumb enough to accept assault upon Truth that’s it….
Abeca’s and Canisius’ words point to why it is difficult for the Church and for all people of goodwill to persuade our fellow Americans from believing and supporting the truth about marriage. Abeca’s and Canisius’ words like “sodomy” and “dumb” only alienate people from the rightful cause of the Church. These unnecessary words paint the Church and believers as ignorant and intolerant folks who belong in the Middle Ages. This is NOT the style of the New Evangelization called for by the Pope. These folks actually harm the cause of the truth of marriage; they do not help at all.
Jon–what words from you and the anti-death penalty crowd alienated the voters of California to the point where they voted to RETAIN the death penalty? How have YOU screwed up, in other words? After all–if the rest of us failed to persuade people–so did you.
The defeat of the repeal of the death penalty points to the disturbingly growing trend in the electorate that disregard the dignity of all human life, a trend towards hedonism, a disregard and disrespect to what the Magisterium teaches.
“The defeat of the repeal of the death penalty points to the disturbingly growing trend in the electorate that disregard the dignity of all human life…(etc)” But of course the defeat of anti-gay-marriage measures, along with the success of anti-life candidates & so forth points–not to the above–but to the failure of boorish pro-life people to use any intelligence or decency in presenting their message–otherwise they would have succeeded. I see, Jon. When abortion is upheld, you respond, “you stupid pro-lifers blew it!” When the death penalty repeal fails, you respond, “the people have spoken–the bastards!” I get it.
jon looks like Larry got you on that one. You are one mixed up dude! Bravo to Larry!
Additionally Larry, if I had been in charge of the campaign, the death penalty in California today would have been history. They need to put competent people like me in charge for the good of society. I hope that answers your question.
Who is “they”–and what incompetent people did “they” put in charge?
“Additionally Larry, if I had been in charge of the campaign, the death penalty in California today would have been history. They need to put competent people like me in charge for the good of society.” …… Quote from St. Augustine! “It was pride that changed angels into devils. It is humility that makes men as angels.”
Hitler also convinced himself and the people that they needed to put competent people, like him, in charge for the good of society.
jon, Larry asked you an important question. “Who is “they” – and what incompetent people did “they” put in charge?”
Catherine thank you for the quote from St. Augustine. God bless you! God bless you too Larry, I prayed for you at Mass today!
Larry you will always be in my prayers…and many here too. : ) but today’s mass was for your intentions, you are a good soul!
Also Larry, the defeat of the repeal of the death penalty is in conjunction with the victory of gay marriage and pro-choice. The trend points to hedonism and a disrespect for the dignity of human life and for the Magisterium. Useless words like Abeca’s and Canisius’ DO NOT HELP.
What words WILL, Jon? Romney was very gentlemanly and moderate and respectful–most of our bishops have bent over backwards to be as moderate as moderate can be–and none of it has worked. You say Abeca’s and Canisius’ passionate words do not help. What about Obama’s vicious and slanderous campaign again Romney? What about the increasingly violent rhetoric by leftists against the Catholic Church and the pro-life movement? Why do they never have their wrists slapped for unbecoming language? Why does no one ever say to THEM that THEIR words are “not helpful”? Because in fact, their words appear to be VERY helpful towards THEIR anti-life cause. Jon you and your comrades FAILED to persuade people to vote down the death penalty in California. Now YOU want to try YOUR shot at bringing down legalized abortion forever? What makes you think YOU can succeed where Abeca and Canisius and others failed? What’s the right formula?
Jon I do no wish persuade anyone, I wish to combat them, because we exist in corrupt society. You can choose to play nice with evil (and Bishops can as well, they’ve been doing it for decades) I confront it, I insult it, I provoke it, and spit on it…Now go back to your “spirit of Vatican 2” and the empty parishes that it helped create…I will stand by my spirit of Lepanto..Church Militant and proud of it.
Canisius, I hate to burst your bubble but it is YOU who are playing nice with evil. How? Through your entertaining and enjoyment of hating your fellow human beings, namely those who are carrying the Cross of same-sex attraction.
Nonsense, there is no sin in hating evil an evil that I stared straight in the face and was surrounded by go take your self righteous attitude back to the nearest parish council meeting….
jon your words don’t mean anything to me. When a very active homosexual was dying of aids, he thanked me for bringing Jesus to Him and wished he would of listened to his friends, family and even his pastor but because he didn’t, he is where he was.
May he rest in peace now and I am grateful that he repented and gave his life back to Jesus, even if it took aids to take his life to get him there….I hope his family will continue to remain faithful and share their/his story with those afflicted with same sex attractions.
The sexual ACT of two men or two women is disordered. Not normal. Against natural law. Therefore, Chuck, it is SIN against God.
THANK YOU SANDRA for clarifying that with Chuck! It’s even shameful today more than ever to read the comments of another man who defends unnatural lifestyles. What happened to manhood! I tell you these men have become so feminized that they lost all common decency and common sense about their masculinity.
What real man would even have a false compassion for another man in order to praise any of their sodomite desires. it’s sick if you ask me. The DEVIL has lied to these men.
I ask again who do you love more…..Your homosexuality or Jesus?
TEM and Chuck,
You seem to believe in the LIE that public acceptance makes something right. It is obvious that you probably would have accepted the then publics approval of the Crucifixion of Christ!
May God have mercy on your twisted souls,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Hey Chuck Anziuelwicz: Are you living in another dimension, possibly on planet “Chuck:”? I don’t know if your post @ 10:13 a.m. this a.m. was in response to mine @ 9:19 p.m. on 11-9 or not. What I do know is that what you’ve posted is just ONE of the propaganda points of the gay lobby agenda, which is to treat gay marriage as just another alternate and “legitimate” form of marriage, and an extension of the strategy of the gay left to MAINSTREAM SEXUAL DEVIANCY, in this case, the whole gay universe of sodomy and which universe includes other deviancies, including “fisting” and oral sex. Are you really going to try and deny this?
And I don’t really care how many states in the U.S. try to vote gay marriage in, for numbers don’t count when we’re talking amoral acts not in conformancy to the Natural and Divine law. Do huge numbers of women “legally” aborting their preborn babies make it o.k. to do so? Not a chance! Would enormous numbers of German citizens backing the plans of the Nazi’s during WWII TO MURDER 6,000,000 JEWS HAVE MADE IT SOMEHOW ACCEPTABLE to do so? I think not! The rest of your comments posted re gay marriage and its acceptability in our Judeo-Christian nation are, to me, beyond contempt. But I’ll certainly pray for you, Chuck, that somehow the Holy Spirit will get through to you so that your CONSCIOUSNESS WILL BE RAISED to see His Light, and the serious errancy of your views. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
Gay marriage is as evil as the murder of the unborn!
PA yes I do believe that..
Abeca Christian, you actually think that gay marriage is as evil as the murder of the unborn? I don’t think one bishop would agree with you. For someone to think that two persons of the same sex loving each other is as evil as abortion is truly sad. It shows what animosity you feel for gay people. They are human beings too.
Mark, you said yourself that heterosexuality is “normal.” Have you forgotten?
Larry, 90% of people are heterosexual. Of course it is the norm. I have never disputed that. But that does not mean that the rest of the people should be mistreated. We are all God’s children and he created all of us.
WRONG, Mark! Ninety-NINE per cent of all people are heterosexual. Not just 90–but 99! As for people being “mistreated”–that is your own false characterization–your own straw man.
Yes PA gay marriage is an assault on the Truth, which in and of itself is evil…….as for Bishops agreeing with Abeca or not is irrelevant I’m willing to bet half of them voted for Obama and they have not been doing their jobs for decades
PA sodomy screams out to the heavens for vengeance and so does the murder of the unborn as Our Lord hears their cries as they are bring screaming in pain. Frankly I recall someone in the church teaching us that gay acts are as evil the murder of the unborn, so yes I tend to agree!
Just because someone is a human being it does not excuse whatever sinful actions they do against the natural law and against God. Evil is evil but certain sins only hurt our relationship with our Lord even further.
Being human does not mean we go against the natural law. Abortion goes against the natural law, it aborts another innocent life and sodomy goes against the natural law.
Mark, I would say that two men having sex together or two women having sex together is as evil as a man and women having sex using contraception. (since contraception IS against life, not to mention can terminate life, I can see Abeca’s point). It is really not fair of you to accuse her of having animosity toward people with SSA. I have read enough of Abeca’s post to know that she is against sinful activity, not people.
People have forgotten that God intended sex to be procreative. It was God who intended this to happen in the bonds of marriage. Think about it. In heaven Jesus said that no one is married or marries. Why? Because there is no more need to procreate there. Now yes it is true that sex does bond a couple, but even this is intended to keep parents together for the sake of their children. In heaven people will be bonded to God alone without the need for sex. Marriage is an earthly image of the Blessed Trinity.
Since too many heterosexuals have rejected God’s intention for marriage, the result is that marriage has lost it’s meaning for too many of us. In all of human history bearing children was seen as a blessing. Only now that contraception has become widely used, is bearing children seen as a punishment. This idea can only come from the devil himself since God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply. (Even religious are commanded to be fruitful and multiply, but in a supernatural way. Thus they too are forbidden to engage in sex. Their supernatural marriage to Christ is intended to bear spiritual children not earthly ones.)
Mark, I just don’t understand why you always seem to take it as a personal attack when someone states that homosexual relations are sinful. Maybe it is because you don’t see contraception as sinful just like so many others. May I suggest that you find a copy of Humane Vitae and read it. You may then begin to understand why two men can’t marry, even if that topic isn’t directly addressed therein.
By the way, Mark, you can read Himanae Vitae on the Web.
Tracy, I understand what you are saying. I think people need to realize that people are individuals and you can’t really stereotype gay or straight people. I am not openly gay and until a few years ago never even really knew many gay people. But also I was not really exposed to a lot of homophobia either and it wasn’t a topic that people I knew really discussed with me. I have read the stories of many gay people on religious sites and have learned by listening to their stories. I have seen the goodness in so many people. As I young person I was taught that we were brothers and sisters in Christ and what I have learned from my gay friends has reinforced this belief.
Mark, as I’ve told you before, I get stereotyped all the time. Yea, it definitely gets old, but I can see why it happens, as who I am falls out of the many norms of where and how I live. Instead of getting angry, I handle these humiliations by uniting my suffering with Christ’ and then charitably try to correct people’s misconception about me. I’m not saying that this is ever easy, but as a Christian, I know that this is what I am expected to do.
If you understand the science of “Marketing”, then you understand that they make their decisions based on stereotypes. It is a matter of numbers. I’ll give you just one example, when I receive an advertisement in the mail that is in a foreign language, what should I expect, when the majority of my neighbors speak a foreign language! So as you can see, the fact that you and I fall out of the norm doesn’t negate the value of stereotyping. It is how we human beings make sense of, as well as navigate, our world!
I believe the real issue here is why are not all human beings seen as having worth? Why don’t we see our own worth in the eyes of God? Isn’t it because we are disobedient to God’s ways and prefer to choose our own? Isn’t this why sin is so abhorrent to God Almighty, our Creator? As Christians we never uphold our brother’s worth by upholding their sin!
It helps me to remember two of the seven “Spiritual Works of Mercy”. One is; Admonish the sinner. Another one is; Be patient with those in error. Of course, it goes both ways! I have an obligation to call out my brother’s sin, all the while being patient with him. However, if it is I who am in error, then my brother must call out my sin to me, as well as be patient with me!
I still encourage you to follow my suggestion and read Humanae Vitae. It takes about an hour to read and digest. I believe you will be blessed by it!
Tracy, I remember that when we were in 11th Grade we read Humanae Vitae.
Tracy you are a beautiful soul, I really enjoyed reading your responses to PA, they were beautifully, eloquently expressed. You have a gift about you Tracy….I hope to learn to convey as you have here…the truth is lovely and you have conveyed it so well. God bless you!
Mark from PA,
I happen to personally know many Bishops that would agree with Abeca, and they most probably won’t be part of the pavement on the way to Hell!
May God have mercy on your twisted soul and mind.
Kenneth M. Fisher
“My twisted soul and mind!!!” Excuse me, Mr. Fisher, I am not one of your political opponents.
PA but if you re-read your comments, you will see why you provoked anger in some, I actually didn’t take offense to your comments against me, I actually don’t fret over them but because sin is growing so rampant and so easily acceptable that I do believe that it is righteous now to be angered at the many who continue to help this world to it’s down fall.
I guess it’s time that God’s faithful react because it is our dismissing and not taking action that have brought up to these current dilemmas.
I feel that the adults of my time, didn’t fight the good fight and now we are left with these immoral times, now I am concerned for our current youth. But why do I even bother trying to tell you this, you are part of that growing problem in your misleading views on homosexuality.
All I know is that people who spend their lives in a sadistic attempt to keep loving couples apart is going to have to answer to more than the American electorate.
Joke, no those so called “loving couples” and their attack on Truth will answer to Christ as Judge…..
Probably the most serious handicap of SSA’s being ‘united’ Your Fellow Calls Himself Catholic But Isn’t , is biology. God made a man and a woman differently to complete one another. Two men have identical parts and are like trying to run on an a/c a/c batteries…an exercise in futility. Deluding yourselves that by having a Church blessed wedding will somehow unite you is like believing that just wishing will give you higher IQ points. You are accusing God of being sadistic. He made you to be a man to act like a man and fulfill a man’s duty. How can you even look at yourself in the mirror? Basically, what you’re saying is God doesn’t know what He’s doing and you and your mates know better than God. You’re so blinded by your own sin that you will never know what truth is. Truth is not a thing, but a person. Jesus said “I am the Way and the Truth…” Unless you humble yourself and seek God’s forgiveness, you have no hope, friend.
Your fellow Catholic, telling a man that it is all right to misuse his genital parts in a way they are not designed and is disease ridden and injurious to the body, which is exactly what approving of homosexual “marriage” is, is not love but hate, and it will make YOU have to answer to more than the American electorate. You will have to answer to the Creator of the sexual process itself. Encouraging anal tearing, fungus contributing, anal cancer producing activities will not get you or Mark from PA a crown in heaven for sure, and will get you diseases on earth yourself if you are involved in such things. Telling people to do dangerous things is being a partial accomplice to their death, and certainly cannot be called “love” by a any sane person. Nothing you say will EVER make such behavior right.
Perhaps you ought to save your vitriol for heterosexuals who account for far more of the HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases in this world.
If you really want to go down the “disease is the penalty for sin” line of reasoning, you might want to figure out which sins each of the people in your lives have committed that caused them to have cancer, heart disease, diabetes, parkinson’s, or whatever afflicts them.
Instead of greet people with diseases with compassion and love, you greet their state with a triumphalism that truly belongs in the dark ages.
I do not go around telling people to overeat, drink alcohol excessively, have sex outside of marriage, cheat on their husband or wife. rob the blind, steal from a store, nor do I tell the homosexual that the practice is all right. I do not encourage people with diabetes to eat pies, cakes and sweets, nor do I tell a homosexual the practice is safe when it is not as some of the rest of you on here are encouraging or implying. That was my point.
Way to go Anne T I love your backbone, you are right on!
The so called “dark ages’ were far more wiser than today and completely Christ centered unlike today….
Anne T, my Aunt Mary died of ovarian cancer at the age of 59. She was the oldest of 12 children and helped raise the younger children. She only went to school through the 10th grade and then got a job as a live-in maid and sent money home to help support her family, on her day off she went home and helped her mother. Even after she was married she would walk to her parents’ home several times a week to help her mother with housework, washing, etc. She was always doing for other people. She also walked to daily Mass frequently. Her only night out was the weekly novena at her church. My aunt was a holy person. What did she do to deserve getting ovarian cancer? And you say to me that anal cancer producing activities will not get me a crown in heaven. I don’t know exactly what you think I do Anne, but I find that comment to be quite rude. I think you have too vivid an imagination. I can’t believe that you would say such a thing to me.
“What did she do to deserve getting ovarian cancer?” Probably nothing, Mark–but nonetheless, what Anne T. says is true–the act of sodomy is injurious to the body by its very nature, unlike normal (your word) sexual intercourse. As for what you are doing–in private, none of us knows. Publicly, though, you are carrying on as though same-sex attraction were something to be proud of and flaunted–instead of something to be disregarded. For that alone–shame on you. That alone is a tacit encouragement to sin. And for dragging your saintly Aunt Mary into the middle of this argument where she doesn’t belong, shame on you. And for your usual playing-the-martyr act–same reply. The point is–where your Aunt Mary most likely is, we would all like to go–and we would like everyone to go. Homosexuality won’t get anyone there.
Thank you, Larry, for defending me. Mark from PA, likes to play the perpetual “innocent” victim as he encourages others into serious, harmful sin.
Mark from PA, there is a difference between someone who gets a disease through no fault of their own, and one who knows they are misusing their body, and one who encourages that abuse in others. You are at fault because you tell others it is all right to “marry” the same sex, which is nothing but giving one’s approval to homosexual sex acts in others, something you say you have not done yourself, when everyone in their right mind knows that homosexual sex leads to torn rectums, anal cancer , a unusual way of walking for those most abused and many other diseases whether the two people are “married” and “faithful” or not. Add to that certain mouth cancers that are uncommon in heterosexual couples. Rude? Mark. Rude? I am just telling you the truth about yourself and what you are encouraging.
Anne T, a lot of heterosexual couples engage in oral and/or anal sex but I don’t really ask people about this as it isn’t really my business. Lots of straight people engage in risky stuff but I don’t spend a lot of time wondering who does what.
Anne- This is a discussion about civil marriage licenses. It is not about giving anyone permission to do anything of a sexual nature. We don’t need civil marriage licenses for permission to have sex. The Supreme Court already decided that the US Constitution already gives people permission to engage in whatever type of private sexual relations they choose. Whether same sex couples are extended the right to marry (or not) will not give them any more or any less permission to engage in sexual expression.
However, if we don’t extend the freedom to marry for same sex couples, we are marking them as unworthy of our support, as less worthy of human dignity, and we make it a much more precarious place for their children to grow up in.
But to return to your theme about disease and death being the result of bad actions, I think you might want to explain to us all why it is that women die in childbirth. And you also have to explain how it is that celibate men have a much higher incidence of prostate issues than sexually active men.
PA you always change the subject when someone nails you….
Sorry, Canisius, I don’t think she has “nailed” me. Anne T is implying that I am putting myself at risk for disease by engaging in anal sex. But since I don’t engage in it, I would like to know how I would be putting myself at risk for all the stuff she mentioned. She is making an incorrect assumption about me, to me this isn’t nailing anyone. I am not encouraging abuse of any kind in my posts. What I am saying is that people should be treated with respect and compassion and not discriminated against. However, I did read what Your Fellow Catholic said and I may be at risk for a higher incidence of prostate issues because I was chaste as a teen and young adult and not sexually active. I don’t actually know if being chaste as a young person might cause damage to the prostate gland which shows up when a guy is older.
Anne T way to go! Awesome comments! Bravo! Tell it like it is….yahoooooooooo!
No, Mark from PA, that was not my point at all. My point was that all though you claim to not engage in risky behavior, and I have to assume you do not, you ARE encouraging it in others by encouraging such “marriages”, and we all know that approving such so-called same-sex marriages does encourage the behavior and give approval to such behavior, even though The Fellow Catholic denies it. Now I am off of your merry-go-round. Bye! Bye!
Like chickens in a hen house . . ..
like Chik-Fil-A versus Penthouse…
LOL max…ha ha ha ha
We were massively outraised, massively out-organized, and narrowly defeated in four deep blue states.
It is the inescapable fact that they simply wanted it more than we did that makes this so utterly galling.
The Alinskyites are organized and committed, young and brash.
We are fat, lazy, weak and old.
Obama promised to fundamentally transform America.
He kept that promise.
Look out below.
Wow, Rick, that ‘aint’ how I see it at all. The so-called Alinskyites are financed and led by a bunch of old farts like Bill Ayers his wife Bernadine Dorn, and others of the same ilk, and of course the every youthful George Soros. I do not see it as a youthful movement at all but the fruition of years of planning, scheming, boiling pots, simmering mucky stews and lots of confabs and secret meetings, with a pinch of eye of newt and hemlock for good measure with young people being the luckless tools. Believing in God renews us and we soar on wings of eagles and receive daily bulletins from His messengers, the angels. We’re even expected to become as children or we won’t make the grade. You need to rethink that one, Rick.
And forgive my vulgar expression, Rick…I should have called Bill Ayers an old fuddie duddie!
Rick, I have to agree with Dana. At seventy I can still run ragged some people far younger than I am, and I bet JLS can too.. One cannot be lazy if one has worked 14 hours straight, with a few breaks in between, in a bindery jogging down magazine pages as I have done in the passed. I probably got my cancer from the stress of overwork. Ha! ha! Look at it this way, The minister and his family they threatened to kill and sodomize in San Francisco til he left that wicked lot, is still alive and so is his son. He outlived almost all of them, if not all of them. Hang in there old buddy In the end, WE WIN..
Sorry if I left the impression that the fight was somehow lost….it isn’t.
It is just getting to the interesting stage, in fact.
My point was- and remains- we were badly outorganized and massively outfunded by the Alinskyites, who, generally, are younger and much much more brash (naturally- one must be brash to lie brazenly enough to achieve an electoral outcome where children are forcibly subjected to homosexualist indoctrination funded by the ;parents themselves).
The real problem is that the other side wanted it more.
That is a *real* problem.
Perhaps, as Anne T suggests, we will have to go down with the ship, fighting all the way of course, because this civilization has just become to sick to recover.
On the other hand, when California goes broke next year perhaps the brash young Alinskyites will find themselves in a line for soup at a Catholic parish thoughtful enough to do good even to those who despise the Faith.
One thing is certainly difficult to swallow, but must be swallowed.
The American people voted, for the first time in history, in a free and fair election, to forcibly teach their children that it is discriminatory to say that brides are female, husbands are male, mothers are female, fathers are male.
Is it really possible to conceive of a civilization recovering from such an abomination?
“Tearing up other people’s marriages only destroys the people doing it.”
More profound than you probably realize, Anne T.
Peter, I did not include so-called same-sex marriages in that if that is what you are implying, so forget that one.
Neither did the Lord Jesus, peter, when he said not to destroy marriages.
Okay jon I scanned through this whole thread and I did not use the word sodomite on anyone, I didn’t call anyone dumb or stupid either? hmm but if I did they definitely wouldn’t be bearing any false witness….you tend to commit that sin often that is for sure…