Name of Church: Sacred Heart Catholic Church
Address: 680 College Street in Hollister, CA. 95023
Phone number: 831-637-9212
Sunday Mass time: Sung High Traditional Latin Mass every Sunday 10:30 am (there are no other Masses on Sundays), Holy Days schedules may vary (see weekly bulletin).
Confessions: Every Sunday before Mass, 9:45-10:15 am
Name of Chaplain: Father Nicholas A. Milich
Special groups: Schola, Legion of Mary, homeschool group
Music: Sung a capella by Schola – A very good and well seasoned schola that sings the Gregorian Chant Propers and Ordinary, polyphony, and hymns. Organ accompaniment during some parts of the Mass.
Sermons: The chaplain’s weekly sermons are excellent orthodox, Traditional Catholic teaching.
Fellow parishioners: A varied parish of people from all parts of the Northern part of the Diocese of Monterey, including large families. The community continues to help support its own seminarian, foreign missions in Africa, and local charities for the poor. Hospitality has coffee and snacks after each Sunday Mass unless otherwise posted. Please come by and say hello, there is always plenty to share.
Parking: Parking is plentiful in the lot, and there is parking on the street as well.
Additional observations: Sacred Heart is a beautiful old church with its original stunning stained glass windows, vintage Gothic Confessionals, and Stations of the Cross. Latin Mass parishioners have been in the process of restoring this historic church, most recently by replacing the Gothic High Altar and altar rails that were removed many years ago. The atmosphere is reverent, peaceful and prayerful. All are made to feel welcomed.
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What a beautiful jewel! Plus, the Legion of Mary!
The Beauty and Spirituality of the Traditional Latin Mass
by David Joyce
It is the Mass that Cardinal Newman, the leader of the Oxford movement into the Church, said that he could attend forever, and not be tired. Father Faber, priest of the Brompton Oratory in the last century, described the Mass as the “most beautiful thing this side of heaven”, and he continued:
“It came forth out of the grand mind of the Church, and lifted us out of earth and out of self, and wrapped us round in a cloud of mystical sweetness and the sublimities of a more than angelic liturgy, and purified us almost without ourselves, and charmed us with the celestial charming, so that our very senses seemed to find vision, hearing, fragrance, taste, and touch beyond what earth can give”
Viva Benedictus XVI. Viva Summorum Pontificum. Viva Fr. Milich
Wonderful. Read the letter from the FSSP seminarian that the parish tries to support (Andrew Rapoport). One wonders how many young men (and of what type) are moved by Christ to join a seminary upon attending a clown mass, or seeing dancing nuns, or hearing the screeching of “Amazing Grace” to a piano at the local N.O. church, or hearing a whining priest intone on and on about “unjust” immigration laws, “unfair” wages, and of workers “rights” to this and that benefit. We will see what B. Garcia ultimately does regarding the TLM there, but for now, very good news.
I agree, St. Christopher! What is truly sad about Vatican II, is the lack of understanding, that all worldly social and political problems of injustice, cannot be effectively solved, by turning the Catholic Church into a worldly, secular “social services agency!” Social services have always been an important part of Christianity– but the most important thing first, is to teach and form Catholics in Christ, and to also hold Catholics responsible for adhering to Christ’s teachings– especially, if they serve in important positions, such as political and judicial leaders, teachers in schools and colleges, as well as doctors, nurses, etc., responsible for human lives!
Bob One, I think many people re afraid of Christ’s true teachings, because they can be so hard, and He told everyone, “pick up your Cross and follow Me,” and “seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven!”– He did not even try to get justice for Himself, when condemned to death — He told Peter to put away his sword! Best to do like the excellent Missionaries of Charity, or the Salvation Army– with a soup bowl in one hand, and a Bible, with required religious teachings, prayers, and devotions, in the other! Ideal!
Lots of “LGBTs” in the Castro district of San Francisco, and lots of unwed pregnant girls– are led by well-meaning Catholics, to soup kitchens, charities, and medical AIDS or pre-natal care, with very few words of Catholic teaching, glowing with love of Christ! Yet, Christ is what these poor, suffering people need most! And to get out of their lives of sin, and find true happiness, health, and wellness– in a brand new life, with Christ! Not just to seek to alleviate problems, with material social services, and medical care!
It is really a worthless pursuit, for the Catholic Church to try to solve serious social problems of injustice– only by establishing and publicizing USCCB political stances, or supporting social service agendas– yet, without teaching the Catholic faithful, Christ’s teachings, and holding them all responsible! That is also why so many Church charities and schools have all gone haywire, immoral, and worldly– they are no longer run and staffed by Catholic clergy and laity, with solid Catholic religious and moral training, required to be responsible for living their lives, and doing their work, solely based on Catholic teaching!
Before Vatican II, priests and prelates who tried to assist in problems of social injustice, did so, under the very strong moral and spiritual traditional hand of the Church, helping society! With a firm backbone of traditional prayer, Rosaries, offering Masses, and offering many religious devotions! And inviting the Catholic Faithful to do likewise, while standing up for what is right– in Christ’s holy Name! And threatening to excommunicate quickly, those Catholics doing wrong, unless they change and repent! The Catholic Church was once very strong, and tough– and very much respected, by all!
As anyone can tell– my above comments are just in response to the point brought up by the post of St. Christopher— that one gets tired of hearing a typical Vatican II sermon at Mass, all about solving a secular issue of social injustice– rather than hearing a good sermon, all about Christ’s teachings! If Catholics are all taught Christ’s teachings well, and know they must uphold them, live by them, and approach all issues of life, based on them– then, we will be capable of handling a great many problem of life, effectively!! Too bad, the Vatican II secular “social action” “beliefs, nearly stripped of Christ!
Excuse me LMaria, but your trashing Vatican II here does NOT make sense. Vatican II actually TAUGHT that the laity, including the professionals you mention shape the temporal world. Read it yourself: “The laity must take up the renewal of the temporal order as their own special obligation. Led by the light of the Gospel and the mind of the Church and motivated by Christian charity, they must act directly and in a definite way in the temporal sphere. As citizens they must cooperate with other citizens with their own particular skill and on their own responsibility” (APOSTOLICAM ACTUOSITATEM, #7)
The truth LMaria is that your anti-Vatican II rants are groundless. The Council taught the centrality of focusing on Christ when…
addressing social problems.
People, one has to admit that LMaria’s and others’ anti-Vatican II rantings are fueled by an organization that has gripes against the legitimate clergy: your beloved SSPX. One has no recourse but to deduce that some of these posters BELONG to them, have been directed to come here, and are bent on trashing the legitimate clergy, paramount of which is the Holy Father. People defend the Pope, the legitimate clergy, and the Council!
Linda Maria, sorry that you think that “social injustice” sermons are not good sermons. You suggest that sermons should be more Christ-like. I think you are missing the point. They are Christ-like. Taking care of the poor, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, etc. are all part of the BASIC teachings of the Catholic Church for centuries. Because Christ died for our sins, to save us, we are obliged to take care of the less fortunate. You want to hear about Christ’s teachings, listen to the sermons about social justice.This Sunday’s reading from Sirach is a good example.
This “jon” twists a selected out-of-context quote from VII (“the laity must take up the role to shape the temporal order”, AA #7) to justify the secular-atheist message that has taken over many homilies (Linda M’s point: homilies portray”Church as world secular social svcs. agency”). Everyone knows what Linda is talking about. And it is true.
Actually, Apost. Actuositatem states the purpose of the laity is as part of “the Church founded for the purpose of spreading the Kingdom of Christ” (#2). AA mentions a closer relationship with Christ, over and over, as its purpose, not “social justice.” (“Social justice” never is mentioned in AA, not even considering the 2016 purely secular context.) How often do you hear “the…
…”the Kingdom of Christ” or the “Lord renews His invitation to all the laity to come closer to Him every day” (#33, ending of AA) as the purpose of the laity in today’s secular-atheist social justice ? “jon” doesn’t mention them either; kudos to Bob One.
Now “jon” will give his 1000 johnny-last-word sermon-answers defending his twisting of V2 to serve his agenda: we’ve seen them a hundred times. I don’t do repartee. People can figure him out. He has to report back to his controller.
This San Jose joe is contradicted by Apostolicam Actuositatem itself! Read it for yourself folks, in paragraph #7: “Everywhere and in all things they [the laity] must seek the justice of God’s kingdom. The temporal order must be renewed in such a way that, without detriment to its own proper laws, it may be brought into conformity with the higher principles of the Christian life and adapted to the shifting circumstances of time, place, and peoples. Preeminent among the works of this type of apostolate is that of Christian social action which the sacred synod desires to see extended to the whole temporal sphere, including culture.”
See folks how the document speaks of Christian social action! Working for justice is NECESSARILY…
part of proclaiming the Gospel, part of ushering in the Kingdom, part of coming closer to Christ. The work of social justice must be brought into its proper perspective, and this document does so. SJ joe and LMaria have a blind spot and this document reveals it.
To Bob One– You misunderstood my post, regarding seeking social justice from a religious point of view, rather than a worldly, secular point of view. You know– there are many post-Vatican II priests, who seek only a secular type of social justice, and shove Christ to the side, for their own agendas! “Christian-Marxists” of Latin America do that! But Christ taught us, that worldly justice will never really be totally attained– “seek first, the Kingdom of Heaven!” Abp. Romero also tried to teach this, and was martyred!
You are wrong, jon: I read through Apost. Actuositatem: there is no citation of the phrase “social justice” in it. You actually contradict yourself, because where it mentions justice in the social apostolate, it specifies it only in reference to God’s Kingdom (“..they [the laity] must seek the justice of God’s kingdom.”), not a secular utopia : that was SJ Joe’s point, and you missed it, or couldn’t understand it.
And the bigger point you chose to miss, as is your wont, that Linda Maria was making, is that many “homilies” are social justice secular atheist programs, as SJ Joe pointed out. There is no Christ or God in that message.
Sorry AMalley but your misinformation and heresy will NEVER deceive those who have the Truth. First, Vatican II is BINDING: that’s why your beloved SSPX has no legal ministry in the Church: because they don’t accept it! Secondly, who said anything about corporal superceding the spiritual? This is a straw-man fallacious argument, typical of the way you argue here. Thirdly, you HAVE NOT proven that the ills you so love to point out about the Church are traceable to any of the documents of Vatican II. You have not! You make an association of causation which makes you sound loony, anti-Catholic, anti-clergy. Yes, AMalley, that’s how you would sound like to any normal, faithful Catholic.
Jon, for all of your angst, you still continue to misuse the term heresy. Why you desire, perhaps out of intellectual laziness, to perpetuate what is easier for you – the pretense that Vatican II was more than a pastoral council – is not my call. I cannot read your heart…. only your words which consistently fail to convey a mature understanding of the Catholic Faith.
Deplorable is deplorably wrong. Deplorable, what part of the phrase “social action” do you not understand? It’s right there in the document. Any middle schooler reading what I quoted there will understand that paragraph 7 also refers to the temporal order: social action! You and LMaria are WRONG!
Nice try, St. Christopher. “Milich himself was temporarily suspended from ministry because he failed to report the allegation from John Doe.” https://www.montereycountyweekly.com/news/cover_collections/did-the-diocese-of-monterey-fail-to-act-against-an/article_011c0778-7dbd-11e5-afd1-f7236985a137.html
Look: It is a blessing that the Monterey Diocese traditional Latin Mass org (www.montereylatinmass.org) has now a—hopefully permanent—home at old Sacred Heart chapel in Hollister.
But the history is this: From 2008 to June, 2011, they were allowed to have a Latin Mass at San Juan Bautista Mission, a natural and beautiful church, after all founded on the TLM. Then, they wereasked to move, finding the St Joseph’s Shrine in Santa Cruz (run by the Oblates of St Joseph), until summer, 2012. Then they were “asked” (no one knows by whom) to find another location.
Fortunately, next,the mausoleum chapel at Queen of Heaven cemetery (yes; a cemetery) in Salinas became available, where the cemetery director, Mr Charles Fowler…
..so kindly went out of his way to welcome them: or they would have likely had no place in the entire Monterey Diocese, where they are so many underused chapels and churches in this once most-Catholic area (I have fair amount of business that takes me throughout the Monterey Bay Area, so I know the area well, and know the many vacant, closing, or in-process-of-being liquidated church properties that are available, if someone wants to make them so).
So, the good news is that this small chapel in out-of-the-way Hollister is now allowed to the Latin Mass Group…
.. But this also reminds one of how the diocese of San Jose, with only a message left on the phone of Fr. Moreau, was forced to suddenly move the growing TLM group from 5 Wounds Church in San Jose, into a tiny 50-seat chapel, in Santa Clara, a location that couldn’t hold anywhere near the numbers that came or wanted to come, and were turned away. It is impossible not to think that was deliberate by the mysterious powers-that-be at the DSJ—just as with Monterey diocese. *
And yes, that move backfired, because the SSPX came in and now run two Latin Mass chapels on two sides of San Jose, as well as a retreat house in Los Gatos with daily and Sunday Masses.
So, don’t criticize the SSPX: they are actually fulfilling…
…P BXVI’s own decree, Ecclesia Dei, and the many clergy and chancery personnel who oppose them are the disobedient ones.
* I don’t blame Bp. Garcia in any way for the developments in Monterey, having met him myself, and found him to be sincere, kind and caring: but he has a number of recalcitrant Post-V2 clergy, and perhaps chancery personnel, that think the Church was born in 1965, and nothing came before that.
…the SSPX are criticized by mandate, Steve Phoenix, by the Levites who have to explain why they left the sheep starving and beaten by the side of the road ;^)
If it becomes too popular the reigning dictator will move it, or qualify the TLM (no, he will not care). This is a very small victory for a likely short time.
I appreciate this article, and the posts of Steve Phoenix, regarding the history of this lovely Traditional Latin Mass chapel! I would LOVE to join an all-Latin Mass church, like this one! It is so sad, the problems with the lack of support for the Tridentine Mass churches! Many good Catholic families would love to belong to and support a church like this one!
Do you want to know partly why, LMaria? TLM people complain a lot. Now as a person who go to the TLM myself, I make sure I encourage and thank my priests and don’t pester them with complaints. But unfortunately many people who go to the TLM have this somber, unsmiling demeanor, then they complain. That’s what some priests who are friends of mine have told me. They wince when they are ambushed about whatever: the Pope, this or that bishop, the “Novus Ordo” parish down on the other side of town, whatever. They are high maintenance, and they cocoon themselves.
Then I go to the Ordinary Form Mass, and the people smile, they’re in a good mood most of the time, they don’t complain as much, and they don’t have this chip on…
their shoulder, thinking that the bishop of the pope is against them. The opposite thinking is actually demon-inspired.
More disinformation from the disinformation king, jon.
The smokescreen that “I attend the TLM ” doesn’t conceal this guy’s repeatedly voiced contempt for the traditional Catholic movement. He attends the TLM only to spy on people and spew convenient one-sided mischaracterizations of traditional Catholics (he’s said so himself: Like the time he caught a lady giving out a book that was SSPX: she probably got her named turned in to jon’s handlers).
Which is why it is best to separate oneself from people like jon and his allies in the bitter Novus Ordo ilk.
Now will come his zillion protestations that “it aint so.” So long, jon.
Bob, your hilarious comment proves that I have hit the nail on the head! Me? Contemptuous of tradition? WRONG! I am contemptuous of disobedience, dissent, and the trashing of the legitimate clergy and sacraments of the Church! It is not traditional, not Catholic to be trashing the Holy Father, bishops, priests and the Mass. Yes, folks, the Mass is denigrated here when you get people belittling the Ordinary Form, when you get people denigrating the Second Vatican Council. This “jon hates tradition” smokescreen is bunk. BUNK! Folks like Bob, Campion, LMaria, AMalley have been called out!
And Bob, please get your story right. I didn’t “catch” the lady handing out SSPX propaganda. She handed one to me! And with a meek smile which concealed a spirit of dissent. Talk about a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The book was called “Christian Warfare” which had an examination of conscience. One examination said, “Did I attend the New Mass?” It was considered a sin to go to the Ordinary Form. How’s that for denigration of the sacraments! Folks the SSPX sympathizers are in this blog. Beware of them!
jon, mature Catholics do not go to Mass, with silly complaints and crazy “agendas,” as you think, in your silly imagination! Older Catholics, many with arthritis, illness, or hard of hearing, or nearly blind– are hardly able to slowly hobble into the church, all dressed up in their very best– and genuflect, and kneel– and prayerfully worship God! That is all! They greatly appreciate the lovely opportunity to attend an old Latin Mass — and tomorrow, they may be in bed! That is the way it is, kiddo, when you get older! The priest may mention his worries about the Pope, and may praise a book he read, of Cardinal Sarah’s, Cardinal Burke, etc. That’s all! Grow up!
I think many young Catholic kids (like jon probably is)– of the strangely exaggerated, self-important, egoistic “Me-Generation,” all have big DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR, and think WAY TOO MUCH of themselves, as very tiny LAYMEN– in the Catholic Church!! Lay people’s silly ideas and opinions– DO NOT MATTER, in the Church, only the CLERGY, with the “Chain of Command” starting at the top, with the Pope! Whatever the Pope says, goes! The next Pope may have other ideas! Laymen just go to Mass, and worship God, and put up with whatever they must! If you don’t like something, too bad! Wait for the next Pope! Do your best! That’s all!
Typical obfuscation from LMaria again here folks. She had asked why is there lack of support for the TLM. Well, I helped along by offering a possible reason—the incessant complaints of some of the TLM people, WHICH I HAVE SEEN after Masses mind you. I do go to the TLM on a regular basis!
Also, one only has to read their incessant complaining on this blog to know that I am on to something here. And LMaria, AGE HAS NOTHING to do with this. You’re very wrong there, as usual.
Sorry, jon, but I do NOT call the old Latin Mass, the “TLM!!” That is a recent term, made up by young people who never existed, prior to maybe twenty years after the end of Vatican II!! Next, I DO NOT ASK WHY THERE IS A LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE OLD LATIN MASS!! EVERYONE KNOWS WHY, jon!! Silly! And kiddo, I DO NOT ARGUE AND BATTLE WITH YOUNG KIDS, NOR ANYONE ELSE, about topics of religion– I just write something about how I feel— and everyone else should do likewise– write what you feel, and be nice to others! Grow up!
LMaria, when you stop denigrating Vatican II, when you stop belittling the legitimate clergy, then your call for other to be “nice” will be more authentic. As it is now, your words ring hollow. HOLLOW!
jon do you realize how un-Christian you are? Your constant, unnecessary, childish, extremely aggressive, combative behavior towards others of our Church, is truly un-Christian, and extremely diabolic! Are you for Christ? Or simply an egotistical, young “know-it-all,” on your “high horse,” attacking everyone in sight?? Pope Francis would certainly REPRIMAND you, for your unusually aggressive, un-Christian behavior, towards your fellowman!
P.S. It is well known, that a Catholic who is close to Christ, is NOT an aggressive, argumentative, combative individual, only seeking to egotistically “win” some intellectual religious argument, that they set forth– goading others, to a senseless, degrading, unnecessary battle! Instead, true, Christ-like Catholics, are filled with the loving-kindness of Christ, forgiveness, humility, understanding of their fellowman, the Gifts of the Holy Spirit– seeking to be a little light-bearer, to bring Christ to the world they live in, in little ways, each day!
CORRECTION: A Catholic who is close to Christ will not trash the Holy Father, will not deride Vatican II, will not trash the clergy, will not belittle the Ordinary Form.
Linda Maria, the Tridentine Latin Mass is not a “made up term”. It is proper identification.
Ann Malley, of course the term Tridentine Latin Mass is the correct term, for the old Latin Mass! — why in the world would you think otherwise? I do not know, nor use, the strange “lingo” of young people, who seem to not want to use correct terms– they are very frivolous and seem RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL, tossing around terms like “TLM,” “JPII,” and “B16”– I don’t care for this at all, personally!
Of course, jon, you will have to change all of your silly “religious maniac opinions”– when the next Pope gets elected! What if Cardinal Sarah or Cardinal Burke became Pope?? Then you will turn around, hypocritically– and praise every fellow Catholic whom you currently “despise!” I do not hold these tough, smug, crazy, egoistic, self-righteous ideas, you “accuse” everyone of, like a RELIGIOUS MANIAC!! I just go to the Mass I like, and try to follow Christ! I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OR BELIEVE!! PERIOD!! And most of all– BE POLITE if you see me in church! That’s most important!
And concerning the two Cardinals you mention: Burke and Sarah. They both support and uphold the Second Vatican Council! In its entirety!
I know its not a number’s game, but it would be interesting to know how many people attend the Latin Mass now that it is easily available on Sundays at convenient times. Is it 50, 100, 300, 500? Also, what are the demographics. I couldn’t get a sense of the numbers from the web site.
Your whining about more people attending the N.O. is irritating, “Bob One” as no one suggests otherwise. The TLM was ripped away from practicing Catholics without any warning, and then people left (you must know that the number of Catholics that regularly attend any Mass has dropped substantially, and continues to do so. You and “jon” entirely miss what “Linda Maria” is saying. Her gentle words of hope point to the history of the Church that has laid a path for salvation of its people. You both would find much comfort, as Francis does, in the horrible words of heretic Martin Luther.
St. C, “Your whining about more people attending the N.O. is irritating” is off base. I’m not whining about it. I think is wonderful that those that want to go to the TLM have a permanent place to attend. I was just wondering the extent of the resurgence of the TLM, At one parish I previously attended, we had one Mass in Latin at 5:00 pm. I drew about 50-100 people each Sunday. When one asks a question, it doesn’t mean that they are opposed to something. A dialogue often has many points of view.
St. Christopher, the Catholic Church is STILL “the Church that has laid a path of salvation”—- provided you follow the teachings of the authentic Magisterium which Christ Himself established to guide the faithful. If one believes that he/she knows better than the Magisterium (often the position of the undereducated Gnostic-inspired harpies who regularly post here) of course you will wind up in the wilderness of willful disobedience and hubris. That is exactly what has happened to the sour-pussed SSPX schismatics that post here. It must kill them that millions of Catholics, all over the world, accept and cherish the Novus Ordo Mass, and refuse to follow the self-appointed “illuminati” who deride it. Buy each of those sour pusses…
an Akita. [an inside joke to the all-knowing *Catherine* who keeps pushing a supposed apparition of Our Lady at Akita, Japan—long after the Holy See, the Archbishop of Tokyo, and the Apostolic Nuncio to Japan publicly declared it to be spurious. She loves it because the supposed message was that the Magisterium had defected and were scheming to lead the Church over a cliff. Paranoia time!!!!]
…what is sour pussed, Viincente (hey there:) is the reality that there is no schism. Hence the need to double, triple down on the lie that there is.
It must kill you – as it does much of your posturing – that there is no schism. (And to accept VII in total is to accept that parts that deviate from tradition are not binding) That must be why you play Sedevecantist and speak on behalf of the Pope and hierarchy to declare what is not.
That’s not paranoid exactly, but rather schizophrenic. Physician, in future, please heal thyself.
“Roberto Vicente” = “Vicente Roberto” = caritas = operative extraordinaire.
You are right Bob One its not a numbers game so why even bring it up….
Bob One, I think many Catholics of today, born long after Vatican II– are not educated much, sadly, in their religion, and have little catechetical training, too! Some even have said, they were surprised to find out that the Mass used to be only in Latin– and entirely different! I guess many younger Catholics may be confused about that! However– once younger Catholics and their spouses and children are able to learn about the lovely old Latin Mass, many fall in love with it, and it becomes their favorite, for their whole family! But first, they need to learn about the old Latin Mass, and feel at home with it! Some older Catholics fear the old Latin Mass, due to strong Church suppression, after Vatican II!!
I think the problem of shrinking numbers of Catholics at any Mass, Bob One– is that the Church has not promoted solid catechetical training, since Vatican II!! The Church is very torn apart, today, with a staunch refusal by her leaders, to abide by her updated (1983) Code of Canon Law, and Vatican II Catechism! Until the Church promotes and supports her own Catholic Faith vigorously– people will be confused, and may drop out! Also– “numbers” are deceptive, and MEAN NOTHING, in regards to true religious devotion! Whether one attends the Novus Ordo or Tridentine Mass, good religious training is a necessity!
Linda Maria, I would suggest that there is the possibility that the kids today are well trained in the faith, but just not the way we of a certain age were trained. I remember memorizing the Baltimore Catechism word for word. You can’t do that with the current Catechism, which is much more narrative. The kids today are, from what I hear, trained more in how “to be a Catholic” than in the rules that need to be followed. It obviously has its advantages and disadvantages depending one the person making the judgement.
…and yet the kids you venture are trained in how “to be a Catholic,” seem by the Pope’s estimation to have no clue about what “till death do us part,” actually implies.
Seriously, Bob One, that is the fruit of no education, no Baltimore Catechism and zero understanding of what the Catechism actually means in one’s actual life.
That said, if you didn’t venture beyond learning what the memorized text of the catechism meant, that is a sign that one didn’t continue their proper education.
And this, “The kids today are, from what I hear, trained more in how “to be a Catholic” than in the rules that need to be followed,” is a contradictory statement. Like saying sailors today aren’t taught “how to be a sailor,” not the…
… rules that a sailor must follow.
Well, golly, that’s not learning how to be a sailor then… is it?
As for the advantage, the current mode of non teaching leaves the flock unaware, even of what commitment means. The disadvantage lies in getting oneself into increasingly sticky situations because no one had the true charity to instruct you.
Bob One, many young people of today– complain that they HAVE NO RELIGIOUS TRAINING AT ALL! Isn’t that sad?? They only way that some manage to get anything– is to go find a book, on-their-own, and try to read through it! Many also have said, that they very greatly regret, having absolutely NOT ONE WORD of religious education– because they ended up with NO GUIDANCE, growing up, and made some tragic mistakes– like, “shacking-up,” getting abortions, taking dope, or getting into the gay sex culture– and it was hard for them to undo the extreme damages, and get into a good, healthy, normal life!
Bob One, of course, I am not referring to the religious training of pre-Vatican II, as being the only way. I admire the few younger Catholics of today, who were blessed to find Catholic religious teaching, all by themselves, through reading– that is a very hard thing to do! With no instruction, no guidance! No parent to even tell you basic things, from an early age! And some younger Catholics have then decided to give their lives to Christ completely, by becoming a priest or nun, leading others to Christ! That is very, very inspiring! Many also join traditional religious orders!