On Friday May 16, the San Francisco Chronicle reported “S.F. girl booted from yearbook for wearing tux.” The article began “Students at Sacred Heart Cathedral Preparatory School in San Francisco came to campus Friday wearing bow ties and ties in solidarity with a classmate whose picture was omitted from the Catholic school’s yearbook because she wore a tuxedo for her senior portrait.”
The student in question is Jessica Urbina, aged 18. the Chronicle continued “Jessica’s tuxedo went against an archdiocese of San Francisco policy forcing female students to wear dresses in yearbook photos, officials said. In a statement, the school suggested it would seek to change the policy.”
The story received wide coverage in the anti-Catholic mass media. It was picked up by NBC News, Fox News, the Huffington Post, the New York Daily News and others. On Monday May 19, the Daily News reported:
“Sacred Heart Cathedral Preparatory in San Francisco released a humbling public apology to Jessica Urbina and her family Monday which they stated was in ‘no way meant to excuse our actions.’ The apology, which vows to be more open toward gay and lesbian students, came on the heels of a firestorm online and in the classroom over their decision to leave out the 18-year-old’s photo.”
Humbling indeed: the school’s president, John Scudder, and principal, Gary Cannon, issued an 1100-plus word letter apologizing for enforcing their own policy. Despite its length, content was short: it was not an explanation but instead an exercise in grovelling before the powerful. The closest the letter came to an explanation was:
“As in past school years, any senior who sat for senior portraits but did not conform to the dress code did not have a portrait included in the portrait pages of the yearbook. Given the nature of this specific case, however, we believe that decision, while conforming with our policy, was wrong.”
But just why the policy of having young women wear dresses and young men wear tuxedos is wrong was not explained, or even addressed. The school’s letter referred to the 1997 document Always our Children, issued by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Robert Reilly, in his recently released Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior is Changing Everything, has documented how the acceptance of inverted sexuality necessitates an inversion of reality and even logic. Sacred Heart’s behavior bears this out.
Urbina’s brother, Michael Urbina, who claims to be an alumnus of Sacred Heart, tweeted the statement “SHC, please explain to me why MY SISTER cannot receive the same treatment as every other student? Why Sacred Heart Cathedral?”
The full “letter of apology” may be read here.
To contact Gary Cannon, the SHCP Principal: gcannon@shcp.edu 415.775.6626 ext. 859
To contact John F. Scudder, SHCP’sPresident: jscudder@shcp.edu 415.775.6626 ext. 716
She looks like a boy.
Stories like this make me think the Catholic school system in this country should be shut down completely and restarted from scratch. In an authentically Catholic school, this would be a non-issue. Students wouldn’t be publicly identifying themselves as homosexual and fellow students wouldn’t be offering support for them to do so. And, if they did, the Catholic school wouldn’t give a second thought about preventing them from using a school publication to promote a “gay” agenda.
Why bother having Catholic schools anymore if this is typical? Supporting Catholic schools seems like flushing money down the toilet.
Don’t lose hope. Last time we prayed at mass, Jesus is still Lord and the Catholic Church is still His bride! Pray up, Church!
As you probably know, Archbishop Cordileone just buried his dear mother last week. Let’s allow him some time to grieve her death, but let’s also see if he addresses this issue in the near future. Eternal rest grant unto Mary Cordileone, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon her. May her soul rest in peace. Amen.
Amen!
Burying his mother, even if it was the same day, would not excuse his allowing this to happen!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
So, where is Bishop Cordileone? Looking for his fortitude or something… There’s a popular saying in the Oakland Diocese: If you want your child not to be Catholic, just send them to a Catholic school.
If women are allowed to wear pants, a jacket, and a tie, who cares if they wear them at the same time?
This is a non-issue. The church has far bigger concerns than the particular ensemble students wear in their class photo.
The church and it’s members marginalized themselves when they throw a fit about this stuff.
You go to a school, you follow the rules. She is a “trouble maker”.
Agreed!
Those rules are misogynistic and outdated. It is absolutely absurd to force women into dresses.
If you want to harken back to the 1930’s, have at it. The rest of the world has moved on to a place where men and women are not discriminated against because of their gender.
Your SISTER did receive the same as everyone else. Dress code states that GIRLS wear a DRESS. If she is female, wearing a dress is part of the dress code.
How do you define female? What if she doesn’t identify that way? What if she is a feminine looking boy or a masculine looking woman?
That policy is ridiculous and does not have anything to do with Catholic teaching.
This girl could be very feminine looking if she tried and cared enough to do so.
This girl could also be very masculine looking if she honored her own self and let her truth be told. And guess what…a tux appeared! Imagine that! How disrespectful can we get…A Tux for crying out loud!!! Hell is surely around the corner for those who wear formal attire to a photo shoot. A tux oh my god the world is caving in all around us. a Tux for crying out loud! How disrespectful is that!!!
By the way I don’t give to “Together In Mission” any more. With common core and marxism being taught in the catholic schools now. I will not give my money to a school to corupt the minds of children. This is just another reasone to not give them money. They are NOT teaching the doctrine of the faith.
Is there really nobody in her vicinity who can try to legitimately help this girl? Instead every single person who might have access to this girl either affirms her situation or stands by and does nothing while she is driven into the ground. This example of a purported Catholic environment is beyond despicable.
“Carol” and “Sawyer”: You make the correct assumptions. It is beyond unfortunate that Sacred Heart needs to apologize to this troubled young woman. Looked at closely, that school likely fails to teach much in the way of Catholic morals and ethics in the first place. What the school is really doing is apologizing for its views on homosexuality (and, of course, Sacred Heart lacks any such authority). A further important question is raised: where is Abp. Cordileone in all of this? He gets much praise for “being balanced” in his treatment of homosexual Catholics (having lunch with same at MHR parish), and the Trads like him in that he started a church with a regularly schedule TLM (Star of the Sea Church in the Richmond District), but this is very little given what the Archbishop continues to tolerate throughout the Diocese. He has made little apparent difference in education of the young, for example, even though Abp. Cordileone has been there enough time to begin to root out the truly awful administrators there. In fact, from all appearances — and like many in the US — Abp. Cordileone is an accommodationist, demanding strict observance of the N.O. everywhere (including at the Star of the Sea), communion in two species, communion in hand as normal, not advancing use of the Traditional sacraments, not doing much of anything publicly to confront the kind of mis-education that you see at Sacred Heart, all of that.
Wow, maybe you’d like the job?
The Principal is afraid of a backlash from the homosexual community and from homosexualist parents. He should be more afraid at the thought of facing Our Lord on judgement day for having lead His children astray. And judgement is coming……!
What is a homosexuality? You definitely just made that up.
It was about requiring appropriate dress for an occasion. I am sure she knew the rules and she choose to disregard them. She was more interested in making a statement about herself than the feelings of the other students. Now this school will be known for this incident. She needs a refresher on the the teaching of Christian sacrifice for others.
Lisag, she was very aware of the feelings of the other students: they publicly supported her.
I think most young people are smarter than that. In some things they are even smarter than their teachers, knowing if and when they are being manipulated. Many just keep their mouths shut, going on with their lives, all the time thinking how wrong this is.
Umm, partly right Anne T. In this case, her peers supported her and it was the support of her peers that caused the teachers to recind their harsh sentence against this innocent child. These students clearly understood that they were being manipulated by the hierarchy, and they rebelled, because they were willing to stand up for truth.
Conveniently omitted from Sacred Heart’s groveling capitulation to the Urbinas are paragraphs 2357-2359 of the Catechism, particularly paragraph 2357, which states the perennial truth that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity. Instead, Sacred Heart’s leaders quote from the awful “Always Our Children” document and use the propagandist terms “gay” and “lesbian” (as if those were intrinsic traits) to justify their rollover. No wonder people find no value in paying for “Catholic” education these days, when so many so-called “Catholic” schools are indistinguishable from secular ones in their stance on homosexuality. Shame on Sacred Heart!
But Joan .. the CCC sections you cite have nothing to do with wearing a tux or a tie.
We know that customs change in men’s and women’s wear in different culture, but the general principle is taken from Deuteronomy 22:5 where it states, “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on women’s clothing.; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the Lord.” In other words, we are to dress to deceive others into thinking we are the opposite sex.
Oops! a correction: we are NOT to dress to deceive others into thinking we are of the opposite sex for illicit purposes.
You are taking your moral code from Deuteronomy? Really?
The Lord Jesus did and make the code even stricter on some things such as marriage.
Dear Joan of el Cajon (catchy name!): Wearing a tuxedo is not a homosexual act. It’s a sartorial act.
In a scathing critique, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, formerly of Milwaukee denounced “Always Our Children” saying it is “founded on bad advice, mistaken theology, erroneous science and skewed biology”.
Bruzkewitz said “”Calamity and frightening disaster” are terms which are not too excessive to describe this document. It is my view, that this document carries no weight or authority for Catholics, whom I would advise to ignore or oppose it”.
See full article by Bishop Bruzkewitz below:
https://www.catholiccitizens.org/content/img/f9927/CCI%201003.pdf
Thank you for this link, Nicholas. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz is a faithful bishops true to Church teaching.
I was present when the late great Fr. John Hardon, S.J. (he was a real Jesuit) told a large group of us that to save our children’s souls, we must be prepared to send them to “Catholic” Schools, NO! He told them that they must be prepared to homeschool them!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Dress Codes in Catholic Schools should be obeyed. – or go to a public school.
Next some boy will want to wear a dress.
:)
Anything goes. Is that the new mantra of Catholic schools now? What good are Catholic schools? What do they teach? Parents, save your money, send your children to public schools. Where is Archbishop Cordeleone?
Good for Sacred Heart!!!
Good for Sacred Heart? God help Sacred Heart is more like it!
Advancing the sexual confusion of our youth confims that the schools are in bigger trouble than we think….
I agree.
Their apology was particularly heartfelt, and they demonstrated that they know and understand Catholic teaching, that by having excluded her for something as simple as wearing a shirt and tie has little to nothing to do with church teaching.
Good on you Sacred Heart Cathedral!
So when a male student attends wearing a dress, you won’t have a problem with that either St Peter?
As for “particularly heartfelt” apology, I read it as a particularly grovelling capitulation.
Men’s fixation on pants is a bit Western-centric, don’t you think, Nicholas? After all, Arab men across North Africa and the Middle East wear the Thawb, an ankle length dress. This is true for both Muslim and Christian Arabs. Hundreds of million of men ranging from West Africa to India, Indonesia, and the islands of the Pacific wear a wrap-skirt that goes by various names: Izaar in Ethiopia, Dhoti in India, sarong in Malaysia. This huge range of men include Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, Animists, and Hindus. And, if I’m not mistaken, many Scots still wear kilts – even on their wedding day – which, to my eyes look exactly like a Catholic girl’s uniform skirt.
Western culture – not God – has gendered pants and skirts. If this girl sinned, it wasn’t against God, it was against western fashion. So, while the high-priestesses of Vogue Magazine might get up in arms, any fuss made by Catholics is misdirected.
St. Peter,
We both know that what is at the heart of this matter is not how Ms. Urbina dressed, (although she was willfully defying the school rules, which she and her parents presumably agreed to abide by on admission to the school – interesting that she chose the year she was leaving to defy them) but the statement she was making in choosing to dress the way she did. If a man dressed in a skirt or a dress, unless he was a drag artiste, he too would be making a statement. Let’s not pretend that it is something other than what it really is.
I went to Catholic schools. Part of the function of a uniform or dress code is to keep the threshold of rebellion very low (another is to try to remove class distinction, which doesn’t work at all). This is a perfect example of the former… Jessica Urbina managed to do something transgressive that would never, in a million years, even register on the radar at a public school.
Teens are teens. Their nature is to challenge rules. Superfluous ones like dress codes beg to be challenged.
I think St. Peter is pointing out how arbitrary and culture-based the dress code is anyway. There’s nothing inherently moral about a dress code. There’s nothing even universal about the manner of dress considered appropriate in our place and time.
But of course, this isn’t about arbitrary dress code rules.
If you view some of the coverage, she appears to be out as a lesbian to the school (with the support of the administration), but they’re still concerned about the more superficial gendered aspects of it…
Big yawn of a story. It just makes Catholics look bad.
Nicholas, I think St. Peter might agree with you when you say, “let’s not pretend that it is something other than what it really is”. It’s really just a tux. A tux! That’s all it is, and if you feel you have some special insight through the tux that allows you to determine some sinister other motivation, then it might be helpful if you review for us your qualifications to make this judgement. It’s just a young adult and just a tux unless you have some objective problem with either. What St. Peter said about gendered dress is spot on. He forgot to mention the various Roman garments, preserved in the Roman church, which have effeminate appearances when judged by modern Western standards.
It was a stupid yearbook picture people. Get over it. You’d think from everyone’s reaction she tried to wear dirty pink polka dot latex rainbow underwear on her head. What she wore was neat and clean and typically considered “traditional” formal attire. That should be the minimum dress code. Neat and clean. It was a nice picture that represented who she is as a person and how she wanted to be remembered (and from their show of solidarity, apparently how the other student perceive her.) OMG, call the bishop!!! Has anyone notified the pope?!! We have a case of unbridled heresy here!!! Such lunacy. So what if she looks like a boy.
This is nothing more than pro-homosexual indoctrination. Blur the lines between male and female. Accept people as they are: confused about their identity and approve their disorder by allowing them, in this case, a female, to dress as a man. Of course, this is against Church teaching which confims that this disordered inclination when acted upon is gravely depraved.
Isn’t this the gay agenda? First blur the lines so as to confuse and then cry discrimination when anyone opposes this. And then cry bigot and hate when these confused sexual preferneces are not accepted.
Ya know what they say Ronnie, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a tux is just a tux.
And “….a kiss is just a kiss, a sigh is but a sigh……..
Ya know what they say YCF, start with victimization, then discrimination, next intimidation, then coercion, then violation of religious rights and then….well, we’ll see.
Sometimes a minor incident is just the opportunity to open the flood gates. No one is fooled, not on this site anyway. ..
So Ronnie, you think that all women should always wear dresses?
Ronnie, what you said is so true! “…start with victimization, then discrimination, next intimidation, then coercion, then violation of religious rights and then….” a fundamentally transformed America of misery!
Sorry, what?
If you are REALLY trying to make a case that LGBT people haven’t been discriminated against historically and even today in our own time, then I just have to say that you have little if any understanding of history or discrimination.
How is your insistence that this girls you never met should wear a dress any different from the Afghan’s man’s belief that every women in his society should wear the burqa?
She is being completely modest in her choices. In fact, she is covering more of her skin then the off the shoulder dress the girls wear for the photos. Shouldn’t she be able to choose wear what she wants? Who are you to choose for her?
I couldn’t agree more! This is indeed an agenda that unfortunately is invading not only society in general, but our Catholic Schools! The Bishops seem to fear the backlash from the growing homosexual agenda that is being foisted on the American people from the Gov. Down and invading the Catholic Culture. Every Pope has declared this as an “intrinsic evil”! We are experiencing a war on Christianity in our country never before seen. That it has invaded our Catholic Schools and culture and is leading us down the road to destruction of all Catholics hold dear. May God have Mercy on our Nation!
Wait, wait….Which popes declared Tuxes to be an intrinsic moral evil? Which ones, exactly? I think I’ve attended more than a few weddings at which Catholics were attired in tuxes. Should I have stormed out of the Church in anger that there were tuxes present at a wedding photo shoot?
“Traditional formal attire” – yes, if you’re male.
Anonymous, stop blurring the lines and sowing confusion. Of course, women do not always wear dresses. That has nothing to do with this discussion and you know it.
Ronnie, these “anonymous” posts of “line blurring” and “confusion sowing”, after such poignant posts such as yours to YFC, are becoming almost as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning! At this point they are mostly a source of amusement to me! I doubt that too many readers here at CCD are being fooled by them. Keep up the good work. :)
Thanks Tracy! We could learn a lot from our opponents. They never stop perservering believing that we will buy into their lies.
Ronnie, our opponents follow Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Saul Alinsky dedicated these rules to Satan, and as we all know, Satan and his minions never sleep!
Rule #8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
Rule #10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
As usual, the Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance are conveniently ignored by many Catholics, including clergy.
So wearing a tuxedo is a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance? Well, I suppose if it had mixed fabrics . . . .
Have you no compassion at all? What kind of people are you to cheer on a sadly confused young girl to make such a complete byword of herself? Poor little thing, to be exposed in such a way and no adult to provide guidance and concern. How many of us at that age would have been utterly humiliated had our parents not cared enough to catch us as we went out the door looking for all the world like real losers. I find this whole story utterly sad. What a world these young people face…thinking, caring adults no longer a part of so many young lives anymore.
Dana, you might be right. Some might be using this young woman for their own evil purposes, and she might not be as culpable as I thought. Who knows! Some “doctors”, also, make a fortune off of unneeded sex change operations. If someone thinks they are a tiger or a werewolf do we feed into their obsession? Not if we are a decent human being.
Indeed, where are the caring adults, Dana? Absent? Seeking to indulge in their own perversions or delusions? Just not giving a darn or perhaps sucked into the same cloud of lies?
This false togetherness of ‘it’s-all-good’ leads parents and children down the rosy path. As if the job of parenting is now about how to encourage youth to embrace everything – even that which is inherently disordered.
The implication of wearing the clothing of the opposite sex is that the homosexual lifestyle is OK.
Youth are taught not only by words but by example.
JESUS: ” Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me;
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,
it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. ”
In addition, children must be taught obedience.
If they and their parents do not like the rules at a Catholic School, they should send them elsewhere.
We must blame the parents of this girl as well for allowing such behavior.
You all are a bunch of conspiracy theorists. You see the gay agenda everywhere you look. It’s quite hilarious.
This discussion just demonstrates the casual misogyny that continues to pervade the church.
It’s in these moments that we can see the religious fanaticism present in Christian faith systems. It looks a lot like the extremism present in Islamic traditions.
Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals:
Rule #5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
O Mary Conceived Without Sin Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And Pray For Those Who Do Not Have Recourse To Thee Especially The Enemies Of The Church!
Most Worthy Queen of the world, ever Virgin Mary, intercede for our peace and salvation. You gave birth to Christ Jesus the Lord, the Savior of all. O good and tender Mother! You will always be our life and our hope.
Tracy you ROCK! You cite Saul Alinsky at every opportunity! You ROCK! Even among those who have no idea who Alinsky is, you propagate his message, and so you ROCK!. You see him even when his influence is nowhere to be found, so Tracy, you ROCK! Rock on, Tracy, you ROCK!
As far as I know here were Jesus’ instructions concerning what we are to wear: “Take not a bag for your journey, or even two coats, or sandals, or a staff; for the worker is worthy of his support.” Perhaps if we were more concerned with laboring in the fields we’d be less concerned with what is on our backs.
When people send a message by what they wear –
their clothing teaches – whether you like it or not, YFC.
The homosexual lifestyle is NOT ok.
What, exactly, is the message they were sending? What message, exactly?
Wait, where oh where is the “homosexual lifestyle”, which as you define it, as something what someone wears, something sinful in the catholic church. Is there some code of what we must wear in order to be homosexual or heterosexual? Where is the “code” that sends a “message” that we are to avoid? Where is that code and that message in Church teaching? And if one wears something “homosexual”, is wearing something “homosexual” adverse to something in Catholic church teaching? And what would that even mean, to wear something “homosexual”?
Can you please point me to these passages, as I am truly confused. Please, send me a message. Send a morse code in the sky because I am truly confused by catholic teaching on whether a tux is a tux or a dress a dress. I thought there were objective moral teachings, yet it seems completely subjective on what YOU believe my gender to be.
Peter, the whole idea is that this young woman is deceptive and presenting herself as what she is not. I worked at a place where some of the women came in one day dressed in men’s shirts, ties and slacks to prove some point; I know not what. Most of them did not go as far as to crop their hair and leave off any make up, though, but still I thought it was just stupid, silly and higher immature.. Most of the other women ignored it and took no part in it. Kind of like bra burning. Why make oneself look like an idiot to prove a point.
Get over it.
BLAME THE “PARENTS” AS WELL AS THAT “CATHOLIC” SCHOOL!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
peter,
Unless you repent, you will not be able to get over where you are currently heading!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
peter, tollerate opinions which differ from yours!
peter, you might want to consider attending a Catholic Sensitivity Retraining Camp. It might help you! Oops, silly me, they don’t exist! Everyone knows that “retraining camps” were invented by those who wish to FORCE EVERYONE into an “utopian” society!
Anne T. Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make it wrong. Try to listen a little more, Anne, and you might just find a tender soul crying out for Christ’s mercy.
“Your Fellow Catholic” and others: your comments are vile, not surprisingly considering the scandalous record of capitulation to homosexual sexualists demands by more and more Catholic schools. Of course this is not about dress but about sexual identity. This poor girl, and her ignorant classmates, have likely never been schooled as to the Church’s teachings about homosexuality, and the need for the school, and its teachers and administrators to adhere to Church teachings at school and in their private lives (or find other employment). Look at poor Sister Jean Dominic Laurel who was literally rejected by her craven ordinary for doing nothing more than teaching Catholic sexual ethics to North Carolina Catholic High School kids. And, now, the Bishop O’Dowd parents are having a fit over the Bishop’s rules to live by (after class). This type of behavior is wrong, but the scandal that the Sacred Heart administrators create is far, far worse. Of course, Abp. Cordileone will do nothing (nor will any of the cowardly bishops at the USCCB). Better to shut down Catholic schools than to fail to teach the Faith. Too bad that most Catholic kids are really no different than non-Catholic ones in discerning the deep immorality of all homosexual sexual behavior, including its affectations. Catholic bishops are not much different than the Pied Piper of Hamelin, leading children astray like so many rats following the siren call of modernity.
The Church’s teachings about homosexuality (and human sexuality in general) are incorrect and are being properly ignored.
peter, you hold a heretical position. If you are Catholic I suggest you seek to reconcile yourself with the Church and ALL Her teachings. Our Lord is merciful and this is a time for great mercy. Read Diary of St Faustina. Otherwise, go join one of the 30,000 other denominations. You’ll find one to suit your viewpoint.
Amen.
And, Peter, that is exactly why this nation and the world has an epidemic of breast and other cancers, including of the mouth, anal and colon and a multitude of other STDs that were unheard of when I was a teen. I only survived cancer three times because I never took any estrogen, including the birth control pill on a regular basis. Other women far younger than I are now dead from the same type of cancers I have had or have had body parts removed at a very young age. Need I say anything about all the young men who would not and will not listen to what excellent physicians like Surgeon General Koop said about not misusing certain body parts for sexual misconduct. Most of those young men are dead, have STD’s of all kinds and on and on, but still will not listen to those who want to help keep them healthy. Some doctors and nurses just gave up and left places like San Francisco and went into other practices or fields. One cannot help a person who refuses to be helped. Some people just have a death wish, and there is nothing one can do about it but try to protect others from being influenced by them.
The Anonymous post today at 11:33 am was mine.
Was this person, made in the image of God, treated with dignity? That is what the Church teaches us to do. The principal realized that they had not treated her well and corrected the error. Except for a prom or ball, when was the last time you saw a young woman, or older woman for that matter, wear a dress? I watched the kids come out of high school today while I was picking up the grand kids. Not one dress or skirt on the girls. They all the dress the same – jeans, shorts and tee shirts. Khaki pants and a collared golf shirt would be considered dressed-up – like to go to church. How about a boy in black dress shoes? They all wear tennis shoes. The idea of requiring girls to wear a dress for their picture is over the top in today’s world. Most senior pictures are taken with a v-neck cowl for girls, but a shirt and tie is not a violation of church teaching.
Oh, stop the nonsense, Bob One. It is hard to find a dress or skirt in many stores, and it is harder for women to wear all the undergarments that one needs to wear with them, but I do find them and wear skirts, dresses or ladies”, I said “ladies”, slacks and feminize the slacks with a distinctively women’s blouse or accessories, so do most women. It is obvious that this young girl wants to look like a man, and for no legitimate reason. She is not fighting in a war in the military. She wants the attention on her.
Many parents like to send their children to private schools because they do have dress codes. Test scores usually go up under these conditions because the students and parents are not worrying about what will be worn or concentrating on Susie’s clothes instead of hitting the books. The schools let the parents know what the dress code is at the beginning of the school term, if they let one child break the code without good reason, than there is NO discipline in the school, but you and the others pushing this garbage are glad this is the case. You are not really concerned about the student or if they get good grades or not, then you wonder why the students in this country do so poorly on the tests compared to other countries — NO DISCIPLINE is the answer.
That’s my point, as well, Anne…these liberals think they’re being all caring and warm and fuzzy in supporting whatever outrageous thing these kids do… What parent allows their daughter to 1) to look like that in the first place 2) go against school rules and make a fool of herself? It would seem that all liberals care about is going against any sort of moral restraint or regulations. They’re knee jerk response is always to support whatever misbehavior is in the offing.
Quite often, Dana, they are parents who are bar hopping too much and not doing enough parenting. I am not saying that is the case with the parents of this girl, but it is of a lot other ones. When parents complain about the police picking up their teenagers at night for trouble making, I most often wonder — Where are their parents? Usually not where they should be — at home waiting for their son or daughter but out boozing it up.
And I am not talking in my last post about the responsible drinking of alcoholic beverages at the right time, place and amount. Everyone parties and has a good time at times, some without alcohol, and it is healthy to do so, but to make it the chief point of ones life and over do it and avoid our responsibilities is just plain wrong. Children most often copy what they see from their own parents.
Bob One,
Where you and your supporters are headed, you will probably be allowed to wear whatever you desire as YOU BURN!
I see women wearing modest dresses everyday at a Traditional Mass, and sometimes even at a Novus Ordo parish, you are a rotten liar!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Kenneth, you obviously think that if I want to stay out of hell I (and I have no supporters) must wear certain kinds of dress. What am I allowed to wear? Out of the 500+ people at Mass last Sunday, there was not one person who was not clean and neat. There were a very few older women in skirts/dresses and a few younger women in sundresses. The men had on neat pants and clean shirts. There were even a couple of men with a tie. I have a tie and jacket that I wear to funerals (too many lately). Otherwise, I am usually in a pair of khakis and a button down shirt. Is that what will get me into hell?
I don’t know that I have any supporters. I was merely stating my observations.
As for the rotten liar piece, I have no idea where you are coming from.
Do you think this young woman was treated with dignity?
Well, Kenneth, I paid a little more attention at church today. There were a lot of women and young girls in skirts, sundresses, and other types of dresses. There were two men with ties. Perhaps it is because of the holiday weekend, the start of summer season, the hot weather of a definite change in style, but they were there. There were also a lot more people (men and women) in shorts and sandals. Must be the change of seasons. In any case, your point was made. Women are wearing skirts and dresses again.
Bob One, ladies often wear dress slacks to church in the winter because it is warmer, and skirt or dresses fly up in windy weather. When I wear skirts or dresses in the winter, I put on tights underneath with dress boots usually. It is warm, feminine, modest and in fashion. Some of the younger women wear a shorter skirt with tights and boots or shoes — all modest but great looking.
This must be stopped. Before you know it, women will be voting and owning property.
Use some common sense, please, hjo.
Good Catholic parents pay good money for a good Catholic education for their children. A good Catholic education should turn you into a well-educated, and terrific Catholic adult, very devout and responsible, for your Church– and an excellent, well-educated citizen, with good manners and good morals– a tremendous role model– ready and mature, as adults, to serve your country! Many religious vocations should flow from a good Catholic education, and good Catholic marriages and families, too! A child is sent to a school, to learn! The child must be told to respect the school, and respect the teachers– and respect the priests and nuns of the school, if it is Catholic. If there is no respect for the school, then the child and their parents should be told to go elsewhere, in seeking an honest education. Education is not a place for “rebellious juvenile delinquents,” or diabolic political activists, with their evil agendas to destroy our civilization and Church. This student, and many others, should never have been admitted to Sacred Heart Cathedral Prep. She and her parents and family are obviously NOT good, devout Catholics, fully supporting the school and Church! Since Vatican II, our Catholic schools are horrible, anyway– and a big waste of time and money!
This “girls” was a graduate of St. Thomas More School. She had medical problems then, and, obviously, mental ones.
You are right. A Catholic School is either “Catholic” and follows the teachings of the Church, or it should hang out a shingle stating “Welcome to SC Public School where anything, and everything, goes.”
Satan hates Christ and the Body of Christ, which is the Church, hence Satan has infiltrated the Church with sodomites.
Pope Benedict XVI called them “the filth in the Church”, and Pope Paul VI called them “the smoke of Satan in the Church”.
Juergenson, i know you like to pretend that Blessed Paul’s remarks about “the smoke of Satan” refers to gay people, but you have no evidence for that, do you? He didn’t really say what he meant, did he? And there is nothing in the broader context of his statement to lead anyone to believe he meant gay people, is there? Benedict XVI referred to filth in the Church. Again, it is is not clear he was referring to gay people in general, but to those people who would use their position to blackmail others, or who were involved in the sex abuse scandal. Isn’t that right? He never said that the filth referred to gay people in the Church, did he?
Nobody is referring to so called ‘gay’ people in the Church here, YFC, but rather the slow creep and now push of the acceptance of homosexual sex. The Church is not about nor has never been about driving out the individual.
I didn’t say “gay”; I said “sodomites”. A “gay” is not in and of itself sinful; a “sodomite” certainly is.
Why do you need to keep using the projorative term “sodomite” when “homosexual” or “person with SSA” will do and get you out of using the “G” word. Are you just trying to make people mad? The word “sodomite” isn’t in the Bible or CCC. Also ~ women can’t commit sodomy
“sodomite” is not a term anyone uses in common English parlance, so if you intend something, perhaps you do yourself good by saying what it is you mean. I have spent a lot of time being gay, and to me, the word sodomite in your context is highly confusing, if you don’t mean it as a synonym for gay.
Wrong again, YFC.
In an interview with journalist Peter Seewald, Pope Benedict XVI, in addressing the homosexual pedophile sex scandal in the Church (90% of the abused were boys), explicitly stated that “the scandal is like the crater of a volcano, out of which suddenly a tremendous CLOUD OF FILTH came, darkening and soiling everything.”
The crater of a volcano … from which emerges a cloud of filth … that’s a very apt metaphor for the fires of hell spewing sodomite angels of Satan.
You should heed our Popes more and the sodomite Southern Poverty Law Center less.
Again, juergensen, there is alovely firey metaphor at the center of the Pope’s comments, but we are left to guess what he meant. He might have meant you just as well as he might have meant me. I’m not wrong, I’m just as clueless as to his meaning as you are.
Self proclaimed “YFC”,
Willful ignorance is culpable ignorance! You will have to answer for culpable ignorance!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
How far down the rabbit hole (abyss) have we gone. Having occasion for this discussion is so revealing as to the depth of societies depravity. America western civilization and our Institutional catholic church are clearly on the ash heap of history. ” Come out from Sodom and Egypt” fellow Catholics. Follow our blessed mother. Return to your roots and turn your faces ( and pocket books) away from the institutional hierarchy. support only holy traditional bishops* priests, and ministry s . Show all others the gates.
My feeling on the situation.
* if you can find one!
“Bob One” you are willfully ignorant as to what is at stake here. This is not solely a “dress code” issue, in fact, it is largely not that at all. The reaction of the school is the issue, because it highlights the likely absence of Catholic teaching about homosexual sex, and the expected roles for women and men in a Catholic family and society. Sure, in Satan’s world anything — that is not Catholic or Christian — is fine, and preferred. Finding a proper dress is not the problem; being a Catholic in the face of perhaps other temptations is certainly the problem. Too many, “oh that’s not a big deal,” “oh, that’s OK, “oh, she will grow out of this,” and “that is fine, God made you that way,” are not good answers for one who might care about this young girl’s soul. But then, most Catholics are that in name only, and do not live a Catholic life. By the way, you are incorrect by arguing that the prime directive in the Catholic Church is to be respectful to homosexuals. That is certainly stated as an expectation, but it does not, and can not, serve to “trump” the absolute prohibition over homosexual sexual activities. Far too many priests and bishops and all that, up to the top at the Vatican, do little to inhibit the spreading of a “pastoral” message of respect, to also imply (and sometimes it is overt) “tolerance” of homosexual sexual behavior. Pray for this young girl, and all those parents at Sacred Heart — look closely at what your daughters are being taught, and not taught.
Something else needs to be said here. When parents name their children after specific Catholic saints, the children need to be told that some of the behavior of that saint was unique to that person and not to be copied by all. St. Therese of Lisieux realized that when she played the part of St. Joan of Arc. Therese did not throw off her habit to put on men’s battle clothing all the time when she was not in the play but understood that Joan wore that type of clothing only to protect herself in battle and from rape. Other young girls need to be told that they should not mar their faces as St. Rose did, but ask God’s grace to avoid sin, not to destroy their bodies. Some stories should be told to small children with caution.
Editor: I reread the article, and it seems my very last post today, May 22, at 11:18 am is most likely wrong, so please delete that one. Sorry, thank you and please do not post this either. My post about telling saints stories to children with caution should be kept in, though.
St. Francis High School in Sacramento just had the same issue. A graduating senior at the all-girls high school apparently considers herself to be a boy in a girl’s body. Quite a few of the teachers, I am told, even call her by her boy name. Anyway, so the story goes, her senior portrait was omitted from the year book because she wore a suit, and, of course, was groomed as if a boy. She played the cello during the last school Mass and I thought she was a boy, which is how I learned about her. She was wearing a suit then, too. Last night at the graduation ceremony, she also wore a suit. In fact, she sang with a small group of girls on-stage only a few feet from Auxiliary Bishop Cotta, who later shook her hand when all 285 girls were called by name to the stage to graduate. A huge photo of each girl was projected onto a screen behind the stage, including a photo of this girl in a suit and groomed as if a boy. The Diocese of Sacramento may be reached at (916) 733-0100. The phone number for St. Francis is (916) 452-3461.
What is wrong with her parents ?
When going to a Catholic school, live by their rules.
If you do not like it, go elsewhere.
Sidney,
Most “Catholic” schools no longer have rules of morality!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
What does cultural engagement look like now?
BY JOHN STONESTREET
May 21, 2014 (BreakPoint) – Yesterday I spoke with you about the increasing hostility toward those of us who disagree with the ongoing normalization of homosexual conduct and so-called “gay marriage.”
In recent months we’ve seen people as varied as pro football players, TV stars, restaurant owners, wedding photographers, and others face fines, suspensions, and even the loss of their livelihoods for failing to celebrate the new sexual orthodoxy.
We’re going to have to get used to it, I’m afraid. At a recent prayer breakfast in Washington, DC, Professor Robert George, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, said it more eloquently than I can.
“The days of acceptable Christianity are over. . . It’s no longer easy to be a faithful Christian. . . They threaten us with consequences if we refuse to call what is good, evil, and what is evil, good. They demand us to conform our thinking to their orthodoxy, or else say nothing at all.”
And what happens if we don’t go along?
According to George: “To be a witness to the Gospel today is to make oneself a marked man or woman. It is to expose oneself to scorn and reproach.
Dr. Anthony Daniels (writing as Theodore Dalrymple) explained the Gender-Bent scam behind this type Homosexualist Hate Pogrom quite clearly in his book ‘Anything Goes’:
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.
When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.
To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.
A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
One reason why some people become extremely hostile to anyone who violates a political correctness speech rule and utters some taboo truth is that
the utterance of the truth serves as a reminder that others have been emasculated and silenced.
For some it is humiliating to be reminded of one’s own submission to the enforcers of taboos.
So they lash out at those who speak the unspeakable.”
Not long before all the other katholic schools “follow suit”. Pun intended.
With all this nonsense going on in Catholic Schools, I thank God my children missed most of it. It was starting to change , but had not taken hold yet when in lower grade. My daughter went on to Thomas Aquinas College and is now raising 5 wonderful true Catholic children.
My son went on to become a Captain for an Airline and is also raising a delightful young boy, praised for his obedience and work in school. BTW he is not attending a Catholic School, but one carefully researched by his parents.
If more parents paid attention to where they sent their children to school, saw to it they attended Mass each Sunday and Holy Day and spent the time to see what was being taught in their school, maybe this nonsense would stop. Adhering to,school dress codes should be enforced! If you do not like, go elsewhere, where anything is.accepted as “normal”.
Parents must be involved and speak out. Or we will continue to see our children be indoctrinated into our growing corrupt society.
I don’t know the answers to these questions, but they need to be discussed:
1. Is a person born gay or do they choose to be gay, or either?
2. If a person is gay, should they be treated with respect and dignity?
3. Can a person be of one gender in another gender’s body?
4. If a person is trans-gender, should they be treated with respect and dignity?
5. What do our Catholic schools teach about homosexuality?
6. What do parents teach their children about homosexuality?
7. What if the schools and the parents views are different?
Perhaps there needs to be a church wide discussion of these issues led by the Bishops and Pastors so that everyone is on the same page.
Bob One, thank you for your post. I agree, the Archbishops, Bishops and Pastors, who are deathly silent on these issues, need to speak out.
Bob One and Nicholas, some of these things our finest doctors might not even know, but no one ever died from wearing a dress if they have female parts or male attire if they have male parts. Sometimes we all have to sacrifice for the common good. Even heterosexuals have to wear things they do not like at times because it is the proper attire for the occasion. I had to just go out and buy clothing, shoes and a handbag for a special occasion. I did not really want to do so since my husband and I are on limited income, but I did, and they will be used for a long time for other occasions, you can be sure. That is if the Lord is willing, so at times we all have to be unselfish to think of others.
Anne T. First off, this is not a homosexual issue. This is a transgender issue. Secondly, while no one has ever died from wearing a dress directly, there have been many suicides among those who do not feel accepted living out their gender identity. Some 40-60% of transgender individuals contemplate suicide, and data show that lack of acceptance by family and friends is a huge factor in that. So the dress doesn’t kill, but the stigma of being forced to against ones’ true self does.
You and others are encouraging this girl or woman to later mutilate her body and try to be something she can never really be if she now has all the parts of womanhood. I find that disgusting. Lycanthropists think they are werewolves and some people think they are vampires and others think they are some long dead historical figure. Are they being what you call “true” to themselves. Of course not, and neither is this young woman. I have known and read about people who have had sex-change operations, and they have plenty of problems to go with them. Many wishing they had not done it when it is too, too late. One man tried to turn himself back again into a man after his operation to becoming a “woman”, but of course he could not fully become the man he once was. I find this all horrifyingly evil.
Also, there was at least one lesbian couple who were raising a little boy whom they said wanted to be a girl and have a sex change operation. Of course he would since they were probably trash talking men around him all the time. Thank God it is illegal to do such a horrible thing to such a child.
Also, these sex change operation, unless the person is born with a deformity, solves nothing. I knew a homosexual man who finally went all the way and had such an operation. It changed nothing as when he walked around in short shorts, as he did, with high heels, his male looking legs showed. Many a man he dated just dumped him when they found out the truth.
Not to mention the discomfort or pain that remains after extensive amputations and reconstructions, sometimes nerve damage, that results about the healing from some of these operations that others fail to tell you about.
“Bob One”: No one needs to discuss this, or any, issues involving homosexuality (and all of its sexual and sexuality-symbolic permutations). No dialogue, nothing. There are historic roles for people, and there is a man-woman marriage, and there is a right to moral sexual activities between man-woman marrieds. Your questions are only planted in some attempt to breach Catholic sexual ethics in some fashion. Of course, you can celebrate Pope Francis kissing the hand of a 93-year old pro-homosexual activist very recently (if accurately reported), and his Vatican Administration looks increasingly suspect, so perhaps you will get your way after all (at least on one level). But, whatever happens, your crazy concerns on transgender and homosexuality issues are symptoms of the moral decay that is sadly defeating the institutional Church. Why teach about something(s) that is/are completely morally repugnant and offensive to God. No, it does not matter if a priest, or bishop, or cardinal, or even the Pope, like homosexuality and its sexual nature. Go ahead, create more dopey lists, like some demented David Letterman; the message does not change the immutable teachings of the Catholic Church. No homosexual sex or marriage. One list of ten is a good idea, though: a decade of the Rosary. Try it out.
Perhaps there needs to be a church wide discussion of these issues led by the Bishops and Pastors so that everyone is on the same page…. Perhaps everyone including Bishops and Pastors need to be on the side of the doctrinal teachings of the Church.
Ronnie’s comment 5/22/14 was incisive (“[First is] victimization, then discrimination, next intimidation, then coercion,…” And I was going to add, the 5th step, which we are somewhat at, is criminalization of those who do not acquiesce to the agenda.
Also [as usually so] incisive is Michael McD’s comment (from Dr. Anthony Daniels’ writings), that the purpose of “propaganda is not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponds to reality the better.” This situation at Sacred Heart Cathedral is entirely unreal, but an excellent opportunity to humiliate.
These two observations are profoundly complementary, because the pro-agenda observers are becoming more and more fixated on punishing and humiliating their ideological opponents.