The following comes from the Sept. 2 edition of Rorate-caeli blogspot.
The Bishop of Cádiz and Ceuta, Spain, Bp. Rafael Zornoza, was the object of intense media persecution in his country after he refused the request of a lady (now claiming to be a “man”) from being the “godfather”. In early August, it seemed that he had caved in. As Breitbart reported on August 8, “A Spanish bishop has caved in to pressure and allowed a transsexual man to become a godfather. The Bishop of Cádiz and Ceuta will now allow Alex Salinas, who was born a woman, to become godfather to his nephew, his local parish priest has said.”
Alas, thankfully, that was not exactly the case. Today, the Bishop of Cádiz and Ceuta published a long communiqué, which includes this central excerpt (first translation in English of the relevant CDF response):
[Bishop:]… Considering the disorientation caused among some of the faithful by some words having been attributed to me that I had not pronounced, and due to the complexity and media relevance of this subject, taking into consideration the possible pastoral consequences of any decision regarding it, I raised up a formal consultation before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, whose response was:
[CDF:]”Regarding this particular [issue], I inform you of the impossibility that it be admitted. The transsexual behavior itself reveals, in a public manner, an attitude that is opposed to the moral demand of resolving one’s own problem of sexual identity according to the truth of one’s own sex. Therefore, it is evident that this person does not possess the requisite of leading a life according to the faith and to the position of godfather (CIC [Code of Canon Law] Can 874 §3), not being able, therefore, of being admitted to the position either of godmother or of godfather. Discrimination is not to be seen in this, but only a recognition of an objective lack of the requisites that by their own nature are necessary to take over the ecclesial responsibility of being a godparent.”
[Bishop:] For these reasons, it has been made known to the interested parties that their request cannot be accepted.
The Church welcomes all persons charitably, wanting to help each one in his position with sentiments of mercy, but without denying the truth that she preaches, that she proposes to all as a path a faith to be freely embraced.
[Source: Diócesis de Cádiz y Ceuta, in Spanish]
A man who thinks he is a woman, and a woman who thinks she is a man is mentally ill. (Just like any person who thinks he is a dog, or a cat.)
Mental incompetence should exclude anyone from being a baptismal God-parent.
God-parents must assist the Parents in raising the children in the Catholic Faith – in accord with the Bible and the CCC.
See Code of Canon Law – https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2Y.HTM
AMEN!!!! Succinctly, and correctly, put. No need to over-analyze the b.s. of so-called “transgenderism”. “Crazy” as a description sounds just right.
“The Church welcomes all persons charitably, wanting to help each one in his position with sentiments of mercy, but without denying the truth that she preaches, that she proposes to all as a path a faith to be freely embraced.”
What a confusing world we live in! :(
Good for this bishop for having confronted those who lied. Some have even twisted or lied about what the pope has said. Sooner or later it catches up with them.
The simple fact is that a person cannot change his/her sex if they were born a boy or girl. If they have surgeons attempt it they are just mutilating themselves. Those who were born with bodily defects should of course be able to correct any defects when they are of age. If the parents have the doctors make the correction, quite often the adult child is not satisfied as to what was done as a child and blames the parents or the doctors for any bad results, so it is best to leave those decisions up to the adult child.
Good Lord, “Rome” may have said this but Pope Francis did not why would he? Francis said on Friday after his Angelus that Catholic churches, convents, and Catholic schools all over Europe should open and house ALL the Muslims pouring in from the Middle East and Africa it is our Christian duty. Are you kidding me “our Christian duty”? our duty is to convert and spread the word of Jesus Christ. Germany alone is taking in over 900,000 yes 900,000 Muslims, these are a people who cannot and will never assimilate into European society it is impossible. Mosque and state go hand and hand, sharia is what they bring. Look at the Swedish city of Malmo, it is a no go zone for police and firemen, Brussels Belgium is predicted to become Muslim by…
Heard today on the secular news that the Holy See (Vatican) is going to take in 2 families. (It was not reported as a joke.)
Why isn’t the Pope, or the United Nations preaching to the Evil Perpetrators – ISIS, etc., – and the appropriate governments that the immigrants come from – so that people will NOT need to leave their own homes for safety ?
What am I missing ? ? ? ? ?
Back before Vatican II, one of the corporal works of mercy was to harbor the harborless.
No-go zones are a fiction of Faux News, my friend. Please try to view real news programs and newspapers.
You need to open your eyes “my friend” to Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello? How did we get from transgenderism to immigration?
I can only speak for myself, Anne, but frankly I don’t give a rat’s tail about transgenderism. It’s utterly preposterous and afflicts such a very few people. If we’re going to discuss mental illness, let’s talk about real issues like what is the inherent character pathology of American citizens who wnat to bring in terrorists and rapists with no regard for our women and children? What horrible event in their lives makes them promote the murdering of babies and call it freedom of choice? What mental defect leads people to send tiny little human heads and arms and organs in boxes to experiment on? How can a whole media system of an entire nation support a president who has made a criminally insane bargain with a terrorist nation to…
… to enable them to use nuclear weapons agains us and our allies? Transgenderism is so paltry compared to these pyschopathic people that it simply pales in significance.
Nevertheless, in reply to Anonymous, there are “no go zones” in parts of Europe where non Muslim police are not welcome, and some imams do want to bring in Shariah Law. Also, Jewish graves have been desecrated. There are pictures all over the web about it. You cannot deny them all.
Janek, you are totally correct about the future of Europe. As a German I can attest to what is happening in Germany and for Europe as a whole. The Germans have some sort of “guilt” where they must let the world into Germany and for some reason it is MUSLIMS! The Roman Catholic and Lutheran churches are all but empty on Sunday and cathedrals are just tourist spots now, you are also correct about Malmo and please don’t forget Amsterdam both with Muslim rates at about 40% shocking!!! Christian Europe has indeed sealed it’s fate and will only be a memory in less than three decades!!
Thank you, Klaus, for the reality check report. So much of what Europe actually is now is hidden from the US. But while Catholics and other Christians are bamboozled into thinking that charity requires stupidity and the negation of the actual Faith, others will opt for being wise as serpents, but innocent as doves.
Comparing the flood of “immigrants” to invasion maps of old is eye opening. Would that more folks would look to the reality instead of the fantasy. Convert people. Uphold the Faith. Practice in entirety, exercising charity, the very basics of which is to cultivate fidelity in oneself first. But don’t deny the Faith, welcome in the enemy and then expect God to reward us.
Klaus, I thought that Germany had finally gotten over it’s collective guilt from WWII. The culture truly needs to forgive itself. If it doesn’t, it will end up damaging itself.
So inutterably sad! The centuries of Christ’s beauty and truth being devoured by insatiable locusts . My guess is that it will happen in far less than 30 yrs. This whole Isis crisis is contrived for this very result… to infiltrate and undermine Christian cultures and overwhelm them when they’re destabilized through their own suicidal proclivities! This is how it’s done when you’ve convinced a now ignorant, non-thinking populace… that there is no enemy but themselves. Muslims are already taking selfies of themselves giving the thumbs up in front of the Vatican. It’s truly incredible how stupid people have become
I don’t know if you’ve seen this documentary, Klaus, but it’s very interesting…and was done by a liberal tv station in Germany. There is also an interesting article on Iceland on this website and how they’re asking for thousands of refugees. The pictures are really eyeopeners, folks!! I hope all will check some of these stories out. We really need to be more informed on this issue.
Here it is…https://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/09/07/must-see-now-even-a-left-wing-german-tv-station-is-frightened-of-uncontrolled-muslim-immigration-and-its-existential-threat-to-german-society/
Isn’t there a fundamental professional difference between mental illness and mental incompetence?
Utter destruction of the European culture is already taken place. Although few Europeans practice their Christianity (statistics show less than 20% baptized catholics go to obligatory weekend services regularly) most do not, and without having any sanctifying grace from the sacraments will eventually succumb to the devils deception if Europeans take the muslims into their homes. Oh yes it would be such a “John Lenon” paradise if the Christians good examples could convert the muslims, but 1 out of 5 times at best is that going to happen; instead it will be more the reverse, 4 out of 5 times Christians may convert to Islam because the Christians have no strong Catholic or Christian foundation and no sanctifying graces to make them strong…
I’ve read that many muslims are ‘converting ‘
To Christianity so they can stay in Germany. I doubt their so- called conversions go any deeper than a necessary evil to them to be discarded when they’re able to do so
OBTW, It is about time the modern clergy stood up against sin. As a concerned parent for he health and well-being of their children, how could a parent want a messed up and confused (by the devil) transgender person who has a 70% chance of committing suicide (based on statistics) want to set an example or teach their innocent children? God made us male and female from day one, not its! We need to accept that and follow His will, not the devils will.
One of the reasons why the suicide rate is so high among transgender people is because of truly ignorant posts like yours that call them messed up and confused by the devil. If you reached out with love to these people, they might not feel so desperate and alone. And before you come back and say your are being loving – really just think about it. Does calling ANYONE “messed up” lead to them feeling better about their state in life?
Compassion is a genuine emotion…and if I knew someone personally struggling with this I would really make an effort to listen and not judge, but it’s important when trying to help someone not to enable themselves into thinking they’re victims. Also, I wouldn’t think it would be at all helpful to ‘get into the pit’ with them, but reach out a hand in love. That’s what we should do with anyone truly suffering. It’s just that there’s so much stink now about stuff like this as thought it’sa huge issue and our country is going down the tubes, the world’s imploding…I mean, get a grip people, and get your priorities straight.
Janek …. Not ALL, just each parish school etc take at least one family. As for inabilty to assimilate, they said that about my Irish ancestors too.
…..Islam is a political ideology, C&H, not the same as the “assimilation” of your Irish ancestors. Not at all. That said, the assimilation will eventually be Western Civilization’s assimilation into Sharia law. If you think that ISIS isn’t making use of this emergency situation, think again. Perfect cover for planned infiltration, just like porous borders with US/Canada and US/Mexico.
Pretty soon the apologies over the Crusades will be Christians apologizing to their ancestors for having trashed them for doing what needs must. It’s always easy to judge others of the past when the blood isn’t pooling in your own backyard.
It’s really tough, isn’t it Ann? I mean, you see all the suffering of all those people, but what too many of us don’t see in the media are all the Christians… shot in the head or decapitaded and or tortured by muslims…tiny little babies, pregnant women, grandmothers raped. It’s beyond belief that this could be happening and that our totally corrupt press says nothing. At some point, people, we have to decide if Jesus was who He said He was and if so then all Muslims are wrong and their religion is totally wrong. At some point you have to be willing to defend and even die for Jesus and what you believe or just admit now that the muslims are right and let them destroy our Churches, enslave our children and wipe out our culture…
….the reach of the press is often hindered for specific political reasons, Dana. So much of what we ‘don’t see’ is kept hidden for a reason. PsyOps. Used all the time. Move the public by way of what you let them see and what you don’t. It’s manipulation and highly effective.
But this scene playing out is similar, to me, of what occurs in many Catholic Churches wherein the focus is on the visible works of mercy to the negation of the foundational and spiritual works. The house of charity is thereby built on the shifting sand of no Faith in Christ Jesus, no fear of the Lord, and no attempt at personal sanctity.
That lends folks to believe that they are being so charitable in welcoming the stranger (or novelty) only to leave…
… themselves and their children wide open for spiritual slaughter…. and in the instance of Islam, physical death and torture.
Study your history people…. not social studies.
Yes, excellent points, Ann…and I’m sure I’m going to get it for being so judgmental and unCatholic, but from my perspective I’m just saying that I don’t think anyone was worried about transgenderism on the Titanic. You and a few others here see the dangers inherent in the irresponsible decisions being made on so many levels in this country. This Iran agreement and the huge, overwhelming influx of muslims into Europe (way too many single young males) is most alarming! Things are happening dangerously fast. So thankful we can share here. I read an account on that website I put earlier from a Polish man that described how the hordes coming into Hungary are acting like animals…throwing excrement and attacking the police. They…
pulled one woman out of her car by her hair and were going to steal her car when the police got them rounded up. I know God is in control and I trust Him implicitly but I hate to see people suffer and so many are not prepared for what is sure to be coming. As you say, people are just being foolish in allowing this to happen under the pretense of being charitable. We’re not doing a very good job of protecting our pearl of great price…we’ve left the jewel box opened and the house unlocked.
…it’s the same as when Satan bid Our Lord to jump off the cliff to prove He was the Christ.
Our Lord’s reply was, “Do not put the Lord Thy God to the test.”
We have been erroneously taught that having Faith means being foolish and putting God to the test because He’s bigger than fill-in-the-blank. We’ve been erroneously taught that it is hubris to call the Faith a pearl of great price. It is now a pearl among other precious stones and we, to not be “prideful” or “arrogant” (as if we created the Pearl), should acknowledge the value of rocks.
Great cover to snatch the pearl without a fight, Much like the cover of seeding the nations with militant and TRAINED Islam with open arms and falling all over ourselves like…
… idiot sheep.
History does repeat itself and that is why the push in this nation has been to repress, repress, replace, or revise. We’ll find out eventually, but it’s just going to be after a long, hideous age of hurting really bad.
What do you care C&H liberals seek the destruction of the West and the Church.. every single migrant should be forced to convert to Catholicism and not another single Mosque in Europe until there are Churches in Saudi Arabia…
That’s true, C&H, but our ancestors didn’t believe that we were the only ones entitled to share the planet and that all the rest were infidels meant to be enslaved , converted or eliminated. Just look at how Chritians are treated in muslim cultures. In Saudi Arabia phillipino immigrants have become virtual slaves and are imprisoned if they’re found saying Mass in a private residence! Check out Jihadwatch.com to see what Islam is like . I don’t think you or I would like wearing a burka!!
Dana “Jihadwatch.com” is indeed a great site for the truth about Islam, Pamela Geller is under constant death threats for her help with this site as is Robert Spencer who is not afraid to let the world know about radical Islam and what it wants to accomplish. To the gay community out there where is the outrage when gays in Isis controlled areas are tossed from buildings and if they are not dead upon impact they are beaten to a pulp until dead!! And the women’s rights groups nowhere to be found, why??? Where is the Hollywood “stars” and all of their allies, silence!! The reason is simple Islam will KILL you and these above mentioned groups are scared to DEATH!!!
Take a look at all of those “migrants” take notice that most are male, well dressed, well fed and most have cell phones. This is nothing more than an Islamic invasion and then we see the stupid yes I said stupid Germans welcoming them into their country, they have just let the wolves into their homeland and have no idea what is to come!!!! Sharia, hijabs, halal, mosques, segregated schools by sex, oh yes my friends this is all coming to Europe a Europe we will no longer recognize in a couple decades.
….I’ve noticed that, too, Janek. And I’m wondering why these ‘men’ aren’t back fighting for their homeland. Get the women and children out. That has always been the way of fleeing situations such as these – but the military age men make me see invasion force and ISIS embedding under the perfect cover. And without having to don a burka to boot.
Dana you are correct in all points and all here should checkout the website Jihadwatch.com by Robert Spencer, a very brave man indeed. Along with Pamela Geller Robert Spencer has the real news about the religion “peace” and what it has planned for the destruction of Western Civilization.
They’re unsung heroes, Janek…with the courage of ten men between them. Do people hate Christianity so much that they’re willing to embrace a political order that is a virtual caste system that promotes slavery, pedophelia, hatred and bigotry treating women and children as personal property, other religions as inferior and deserving to be destroyed? What has happened to people? They have this shocked and dismayed attitude when we talk like adults on this site about what is happening in the world…it makes them ‘sad’. Maybe if they were able to read the truth about what’s happening in the LA Times they’d bellieve it. We’re not making it up, nor are we the ones who are causing sadness. Don’t shoot the messangers.
The reaction of being sad is an indicator of an effeminate society, Dana. Like some bouffant blonde, with cream complexion and perfectly turned bobby sox who covers her ears and chants no, no, no as if doing so will keep it from raining on Prom night.
The trouble is there are fewer knights around to slay the dragons…or even hold the umbrella. All of the knights have been reassigned by way of political correctness, rampant man bashing, reverse discrimination, and a society that is more concerned with that nasty “tone” rather than the message that danger approaches.
And that’s precisely how a society dies.
(Hey, that’s also how this string relates back to the topic. Our country is the twisted victim of transgenderism and…
… all the confusion, pain, self loathing and unhappiness that goes with it.)
Yes indeed, Ann. Everything relates to everything else at some point…or no man’s an island…or it takes a whole village to raise a dust…or how many blondes does it take to screw in a lightbulb? But we only need ourselves to make ourselves miserable. It’s something we can really do well without God. ;)
…without God miserable is all that is left, Dana. And misery loves company. That’s why the crucifixion is demanded in every era. Poor people. We think we’re so smart and advanced, but get tripped up by the basics all the time.
Having worked for a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon who performed over 10,000 surgeries and seen every one of the files of photographs and medical history, I am in a position to report that the physical results of gender reassignment are worse than tragic, they are ugly, deformed, revolting, pitiful, and monstrous. Most transexuals are depressed, both before and after, disappointed, poorly treated by society and potential partners, and some are angry. It is tragic. Most are too anguished, self-obsessed and emotionally overwhelmed to be good godparents in my humble opinion. These are hurting people. They need to be treated as kindly as possible as they are usually in anguish within.
Maybe they’d stop hurting so much if they started worrying about others instead of themselves. What you’re describing is the endrun of a narcissism trip that goes around and around and around and ends up at the same station…Me-ville.
A recent, much publicized case about a man becoming a woman was to me no more than the saga of someone who made all his choices based on what he wanted, getting it when he wanted, and wanting everyone to congratulate him on his big, fat, egotistical, self-indulgent reward to himself. Woopee. Huzza Huzza. He should be leading armies in France with all that conceit.
There’s not much gender reassignment done by Beverly Hills plastic surgeons. I highly doubt you’ve seen 10,000 such cases.
There are an estimated 500 reassignment surgeries performed in the entire US each year. So you have seen the files of all the patients all over the US for the last 20 years?
(Now, I think that number of surgeries is quite low. It might even represent as few as 10% of surgeries. One surgeon in SF area sees about 200 patients a year, so 500 MUST be too low.)Still…. you work in one office, and you claim to have seen 10,000 TRS procedures? Stop pretending to be something you are not.
Those doctors should have their licensed revoked and then thrown in jail
The Beverly Hills plastic surgeon for whom I worked had performed transgender surgeries on over 10,000 patients from 6 continents. I saw every single pre- and post-operative photograph as files were being transferred onto newer types of storage. Many also had facial surgeries and extensive electrolysis to remove hair on the face, chest, back, arms, underarms, etc., etc., etc. Richer patients hired transition specialists: a hairdresser, stylist, personal shoppers/fashion consultants, make-up artists, flirting and dating coaches, psychologists, even manners coaches. The surgeries, clothing, jewelry, consultants, etc., are expensive, usually paid out of pocket, and the timing of the transition is anguishing for employers, families,…
I simply do not believe that you examined the photographs and read the medical charts of 10,000 TRS surgeries. The surgeries take 3-4 hours each, and are typically performed twice a day every other day, because the surgeon has pre-op and post-op sessions with each one, which is how the people who do this for their practice can only do 200-300 a year. I simply do not believe that you worked for a practice that has done 10,000 of them, and you read every file.
Well, if you ever get to heaven, and with any luck at all you find me there, you’ll then find out for certain that I am telling the truth. Many surgeries were done overseas, many in secret, always in a series in those days, and yes, I did see each and every file personally. It took a month to oversee another firm’s workers transfer these files into electronic storage, and the original paper files were placed into a huge, remote storage. It was a horrific, mind-boggling experience, but it is true, I saw each photograph in every file. I wish you were correct, but unfortunately, I am telling the ugly truth. I’ll never forget it, either. I hate even thinking about these images.
The surgeon for whom I worked had three people who talked to each prospective patient, and he spent only minutes with each one. The surgeries were done in a sequence, and following recovery and psychological adjustment, subsequent counseling sessions and surgeries were scheduled. They didn’t take very long, and he had his own operating rooms. Believe me, I was there, and I ran the office, so I know what I’m talking about. In foreign countries, surgeries can be even more efficient (and cheaper), and more people can be operated on in a single day than is customary here. It’s okay if you don’t believe me, I really don’t care, as I know the truth and wish I didn’t.
So why did you work there if you were disgusted by it? That’s the other part of your story that doesn’t hold water.
And first you were in Beverly Hills, now you are saying it is in foreign countries. So is Beverly Hills a foreign country?
Why do you call yourself Catholic when Catholic morality disgusts you, YFC? Or at least isn’t something you agree with.
That is the ongoing part of your posting that doesn’t hold water. You consistently call yourself Catholic and then post as if you are not.
Although I can understand why you would “work” there.
Where do I say that catholic morality disgusts me? Making things up is not a part of catholic morality, is it? The pretense of people who claim to be catholic but who are not, and who go around making up false stories about other people…that disgusts me.
Yes, indeed, YFC, the pretense of people who claim to be Catholic and go around making up false stories is disgusting. But again, I don’t wonder why you hang around working on the image of being a fellow Catholic. You write/promote your agenda daily so your motives are rather clear.
The absurdly PC notion that Gender is “Assigned” and can later be ‘re-assigned’ like incomplete homework, fits right in with the agenda of Misandry that pretends ‘orientation’ is immutable – which is quite contrary to Science…
Yet Gender (there are only Two – XX=Female & XY=Male, genetic / gestational birth defects notwithstanding) – is supposed to be a ‘Perception’, regardless of Science – with the potential for Jail Time for Thought Crime for those who fail to pander to the Bruce De-Generation scam and are sentenced for ‘Contempt’ – Of PC Lies if naught else.
Your questions are ridiculous, YFC. I worked in Beverly Hills, as I have stated, as did the surgeon, who also worked internationally. All files were in his Beverly Hills office, where, for space reasons, we transferred the files onto electronic storage, moving the paper files to remote storage. Unaware that transgender surgeries were done there, I accepted the job for the compensation, beautiful office, and remarkable benefits. I left because it was emotionally overwhelming, draining and appalling. I reported my experiences and observations factually because they provide edifying insights to readers from an unusual perspective that most people, obviously including yourself, have not had. I have. End of story.
The doctors are not to blame! It is their idiot, patients who don’t want to be men anymore, or women anymore, those whom the devil has deceived trying to make them believe they are someone other than what they truly are. This stupidity will not be corrected until it is confronted with the truth, and until then, many will commit suicide as they are so confused by the devil himself!
Its time for men to stand-up and be men, and women to stand-up and be women. God gave us roles as men and women, besides His commandments. He set the example of what a family was to look and behave like with His own Holy Family of Blessed Mother and Saint Joseph. Their parents and St. Joseph’s brother, and their cousins.