The following comes from a Nov. 24 posting on Aleteia.
Pastor Rick Warren, founder and senior pastor of Saddleback Church—an evangelical megachurch located in Lake Forest, California—was among the featured presenters at last week’s Vatican-hosted Colloquium on the Complementarity of Man and Woman [Nov. 17-19]….
Warren, one of the most prominent evangelical leaders in the world, is perhaps most widely known as the author of the bestselling books The Purpose Driven Church and The Purpose Driven Life, which has sold over 30 million copies.
Pastor Warren, what has been your impression of this week’s colloquium on the complementarity of man and woman in marriage?
I think it was great because you heard people not only from the streams of Christianity but also non-Christian religions showing solidarity with us about what we call the biblical definition of marriage: one man and one woman for life.
That’s a good thing. Right now in the world, the minority view is getting the majority of press, and you just don’t hear the fact that the vast majority of people believe that marriage is what it’s always been since the Creation: one man and one woman for life.
What have been some of the highlights of the Humanum Colloquium?
Rabbi [Jonathan] Sacks is a friend of mine, and his message was outstanding. [Jacqueline] Rivers’ message was just outstanding. Sister Prudence was just fantastic. She is so brilliant. She’s at such a high level of intellect, and she has an ability to take very complex subjects and summarize them. We benefited from all that she has researched and studied on gender in one single message. After she spoke, I told her: “I’m having you come and teach a seminar at Saddleback Church….”
Is this your first time at the Vatican?
Yes, it is.
What would you say is the significance of this colloquium being held inside the Vatican, so close to the tomb and to the very bones of St. Peter?
Yes. In the first place, it is so historic as the center of one billion Catholics. Even for non-Catholics, our roots are all the same. For 1000 years, there wasn’t any other kind of Christian.
The point is that we all have these same great saints in our lives. I think the beauty is that we have far more in common than we have what separates us. When you think about it, what is a Christian? They believe in the Trinity — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They believe in the Resurrection. They believe in the Bible. They believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins. If you believe those things, we’re on the same team. We may have different disagreements on other issues, but if you love Jesus Christ, you’re my brother, my sister.
That unity was shown here. The sanctity of sex, the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage—every true Christian will agree on those. They may disagree on other things, but they will agree on that. And they’ll say that we have to work together because we’re more effective and better together than we are apart.
To read the entire interview, click here.
When it comes to ecumenism with pagan gods, then there is the breaking of God the Father’s 1st Commandment: “Thou shalt not put strange gods before me” which is a grievous sin. When it comes to ecumenism with protestants then there is the dilution of the Catholic Faith which leads to heresy or borderline heresy which is a grievous sin and is excommunicable.
Bruce, please provide an OFFICIAL Church link to OFFICIAL Church teaching to prove/support your statement.
It sounds like you are not Catholic, or a heretic yourself.
Do not make up your own sins.
Most Protestants believe in the same God we do, which includes the Trinity and Jesus. Their Bible is the same as ours except they do not have the last 7 books in the Old Testament.
Ecumenism is an interdenominational initiative aimed at greater Christian unity or cooperation by definition.
This is important when it comes to marriage.
Based upon the way most people voted in most US States, vs Courts legislating from the bench, – the story is accurate.
Most people believe in marriage between one man and one woman.\
Bruce is merely parrotting the objections of excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre who was not willing to acknowledge Vatican II’s Decree on Ecumenism as authentic Catholic teaching. Sadly, heretics follow heretics into their heresy.
And which heretics follow you YFC, in your heresy which supports sodomy marriage ?
Well, YFC several of us are waiting for your response to DAN.
What about your heresy which supports sodomy marriage ?
No one can trust a heretic.
There is no such thing as sodomy marriage.
YFC same sex marriage is sodomy marriage. Now that you know…..please stop promoting it. Thanks
Dan and Abeca Christian, I don’t see where Your Fellow Catholic has promoted so called same sex marriage. Am I missing something?
Carol, stick on CCD long enough and you will come to understand YFC’s agenda.
Thank you Carol, you are correct.
I have to say it is good to see Abeca Christian. I hope it is not your health that has kept you away, and if so, I hope your return means you are better. You have been in my prayers.
YFC thank you. No it was never my health that has kept me away. For that is not an issue, miracles do happen. But thank you for asking. I am blessed, The Lord is merciful that is for sure. I am at “His command and mercy.” If I don’t want to be here, but its not what I want right? It has to be What our Lord wills. But the devil is watching and loves to taunt often.
That is all I have to say to that. God bless all who do the will of our Lord. For that is all that matters the most. Again thank you to all. God bless you all.
YFC is parroting the smear that confuses authentic ecumenical outreach with the rampant indifferentism that has done much to facilitate a mass exodus from the Catholic Church in the wake of Vatican II. If not in body then most definitely in understanding what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
Sadly, heretics often do follow heretics, YFC, which is why the Church in Her wisdom used to call those who profess a different doctrine heretics so that folks would be aware.
That said, your sense of what constitutes a ‘decree’ is very interesting. For if Vatican II changed and/or defined no new doctrine, then how is it that those who uphold Catholic teaching prior to VII are now, judging by your posts, heretics while Protestants are not. Doublespeak, YFC.
Even so, hospitable relations for the common good are absolutely in order. Especially when it comes to upholding/defending what constitutes true marriage – something you have vigorously opposed. And there we have your double down on double speak..
Ann Malley, funny you also parrot excommunicated SSPX founder Archbishop Lefebvre who similarly taught his heretical disciples that because the Vatican Council did not define new doctrine, its statements are free to be rejected by the faithful. After Blessed Paul VI met personally with the not-yet-excommunicated cleric, he explicitly rejected that interpretation of the obligations of the faithful with respect to Vatican II, its decrees and other documents. Consider his letter to your beloved heretical Lefebvre, a month after their meeting:
“Again, you cannot appeal to the distinction between what is dogmatic and what is pastoral to accept certain texts of this Council and to refuse others. Indeed, not everything in the Council requires an assent of the same nature: only what is affirmed by definitive acts as an object of faith or as a truth related to faith requires an assent of faith. But the rest also forms part of the solemn magisterium of the church to which each member of the faithful owes a confident acceptance and a sincere application.
You say moreover that you do not always see how to reconcile certain texts of the Council, or certain dispositions which We have enacted in order to put the Council into practice, with the wholesome tradition of the church and in particular with the Council of Trent of the affirmations of Our predecessors. These are for example: the responsibility of the college of bishops united with the sovereign pontiff, the new Ordo Missae, ecumenism, religious freedom, the attitude of dialogue, evangelization in the modem world”
You’re right, YFC, there was no newly defined doctrine. That is why mixing with those who are properly defined as heretics – even as was ‘defined’ prior to VII – is still appropriate.
There is nothing funny about it. Although it is ironic that you who advocate for a rampantly homosexual agenda, to include the acceptance of same sex marriage, would pretend such a love of Truth and clear teaching while promoting sodomy.
And much as you may wish, even those Bishops in outward union with Rome, but who have nonetheless lost the Faith, have no power whatsoever to amend the natural law. But that is your hope and that is why you consistently look to men, instead of God’s law.
…I should say, YFC, that the warnings or admonitions with regard to mixing with heretics are still appropriate.
Your flirtation with the notion that men now have more authority than God is misguided. For the Pharisees who believed themselves to have more authority over God and crucified Truth to keep their positions were similarly misguided. You cannot kill the Truth, YFC. Not by dictate, not by decree, and not by means of a cadre of those who would put their trust in the state and political opinion.
But, as always, good try, YFC. See ya round.
Ann Malley, keep following excommunicated schismatic heretics like Lefebvre, ignore and refuse obedience to the Pope(s) as Lefebvre did, and see what God has in store for you. Do you think he is going to say, “Well, you left the Church and refused to follow my appointed leaders, but you sure never did forget to castigate that one sinner, YFC, so I guess I’ll let you slide on in.” Is that how it works? Rally against gay people and that gets you into heaven in spite of your schismatic ways?
Actually, YFC, I do believe that Our Lord will say, “Welcome, my good and faithful servant.” And the only one I see between us rallying against those with same sex attraction is you, Sir, as you continue to hide behind a cloak of seeming obedience while pushing your own agenda. It’s called being a Judas.
Your intimation that Archbishop Lefebvre was a heretic is absurd and shows your complete and utter lack of Catholic background and/or understanding, YFC. That is why those who are leading you – the leaders you tout now – into the acceptance of homosexual sexual activity as being somehow okay will carry the greater guilt.
Pope Francis is increasingly famous for stating, “Who am I to judge.” Granted, he was speaking of one who had repented and was seeking God with a pure heart. So, YFC, with regard to Archbishop Lefebvre you may need at some point to step back and really examine his cause. It was the same cause that has given rise to every authorized Latin mass community ‘within’ the Church today, those very same communities that are growing in the Faith. The fruit of the actions which you would promote is to follow black-hearted Judas into secret perversion to change the Church and Her mission into something of a compromise with the State and fallen nature so as to pervert the Truth.
So when we’re speaking of judgment, you may want to consider that with regard to yourself. Then again, you may have already done so and already chosen whom you serve. It rather looks that way which is why so many are turned off by your assertions of fidelity.
Lefebvre denied the validity and teachings of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, which makes him a heretic. You too, if you also deny VII and the authority of the Bishops and Pope.
YFC, you know nothing about what Archbishop Lefebvre did or didn’t do. As to ‘denying’ VII, there is no denying it occurred, YFC. Boy, did it. But there is need for clarification much like there was need for proper clarification of the first edition of the CCC as compared to the second edition. Much like there is a need to expunge the grotesque insertions into the working documents of the most recent synod on the family and be very clear moving forward. Not something you prefer.
But by your reasoning it would seem YOU are the dreaded heretic because you deny the teaching of the Catholic Church with regard to marriage and same sex sexual acts. That is likely why you attempt continually to besmirch others, like Archbishop Lefebvre and any other Catholic who holds fast to that which is Catholic.
Flap the forked tongue somewhere else.
Ann Malley, keep trying to make this a gay thing. Keep trying!! Nobody is going to tell you that it is OK to deny a binding ecumencial council, which constituted years of thought and prayer and was guaranteed by the Lord to be free of error, and pretend that you can then play a game of switcheroo to take people’s eyes off your own heresy. The conversation and the subject is not about the gay, is it? And you know you have no defense to the charge of your own heresy, so you look at the supposed faults of others to justify yourself. Keep trying Ann Malley, Saint Peter will not be fooled. He denied the Lord 3 times. You deny his successors every day.
YFC, one can follow the Pope, but one NEEDS to follow the Faith while doing so. That’s what makes these ecumenical encounters so misleading at times. And that is the topic, YFC. So, yes, do stop the switcheroo attempt to point to so-called ‘heresy’ that is nothing more than what the Church has always taught and still does teach – unless one is purposely attempting to twist or switch doctrine. Like those ideas that are undermining marriage and the family.
IOW: There is no need to justify the Catholic Faith as was taught prior to VII. Good try though.
Jill: It is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Unam Sanctam
Warren Goddard, I wish you were right – So that ALL Bishops would have to adhere to the teachings of the Church in entirety – which most do not.
They would have to educate the literate within their own Diocese to read Sacred Scripture and the CCC (at home) – because Popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis said so.
Do most of them ? – NO. (Check out individual Diocese web site for what matters to each particular Diocese Bishop.) Instead far too many Bishops pick and choose what to follow.
This is what the Popes said we should do – regarding educating ourselves and others in the Faith.
“What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”
No one disputes that the Pope is duly elected to head the Catholic Church – regarding Faith and Morals only.
Popes are human beings and therefore can make errors and are sinners (as were Christ’s Apostles).
In the history of the Church, there have been at least 12 corrupt Popes, including but not limited to Pope Alexander VI who was a Borgia and fathered Lucrezia and Cesare Borgia; And Benedict IX who was a playboy.
Those who know their Faith according to Sacred Scripture and the CCC will recognize errors, and wolves in sheeps clothing. Others will follow the wolves to their death.
Luke: Unam Sanctam is, must be believed, dogma. BTW, catechisms are not infallible. they all have errors including the CCC.
Jill it is important that we unite to protect the true definition of Marriage. So with that aspect I agree with our fallen away Catholics or non-Catholic Christians, to unite to fight the good fight. Often times too, we can learn by their zeal to defend marriage in the natural law. I agree with coming together in that aspect of Judeo Christian morals but we must be careful on how far ecumenism takes us. I don’t really know much about this pastor but I do pray for his conversion. We pray that the truth will lead him to Christ’s Catholic church.
Bruce, are you referring to ecumenism with Buddhist, Taoist, Hindu’s and other pagan religions?
Happy Thanksgiving Tracy! Thank you for your love of the faith. You are truly valued and appreciated.
God bless you! : )
The English version of the Synod Report left out that marriage is between a man and a woman. When talking about marriage, it needs to be stated that marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman.
As of today’s date – the English translation of the “Relatio Synodi” of Oct 18, 2014 – still has NOT Been corrected.
Is this on purpose ?
What translation will the English speaking Bishops who attend the Synod of 2015 receive in preparation for the upcoming Synod ?
All translations are important, and those who work at the Vatican and refuse to correct errors – MUST be FIRED !
Here is the Vatican link to the Relatio Synodi in ENGLSH..
Note that paragraph 4 clearly ends with: “… and facing the situation, with an eye on the Lord Jesus, to discern how the Church and society can renew their commitment to the family “
Here is the Vatican link to the OFFICIAL Relatio Synodi in ITALIAN.
Note that paragraph 4 clearly ends with: “….il confronto alla luce del Signore Gesù per discernere le vie con cui rinnovare la Chiesa e la società nel loro impegno per la famiglia fondata sul matrimonio tra uomo e donna.”
This is the ACCURATE TRANSLATION from ITALIAN to ENGLISH using google translation is:
“….the comparison in the light of the Lord Jesus to discern the ways in which to renew the Church and society in their commitment to the family based on marriage between a man and woman.”
“…. based on marriage between an man and a woman” – – – was left out completely.
(I have provided the documentation to the Vatican web site.)
It is not credible that “based on marriage between a man and a woman” was left out by mistake. Cardinal Dolan said recently that he would not be surprised that the Catholic Church accepts same-sex civil unions. Cardinal Bergoglio supported same-sex civil unions. As Pope Francis said, “Who am I to judge?”
Cdl. Dolan really said that? Can you share a citation?
JESUS said to JUDGE with RIGHT JUDGMENT – Jn 8:11.
That we should take the log out of our own eye PRIOR to taking the Splinter out of another’s eye so we will NOT be hypocrites when judging. Mt 7:5, and Lk 6:42.
I’m not sure of many of the Pope’s public statements ? ? ? ? ?
Even Cardinal George said the Pope needs to clarify, and causes confusion.
You know, the relatio is not Church teaching, it is a discussion document. You are treating it as though Scripture itself has been left out. How did Catholics become so fundamentalistic about a working document that only expresses in broad outlines what was discussed at the synod, not to represent any new or developed Doctrine of the Faith. Is THIS enough to cast aspersions upon the Bishops of the Church? Do you not have anything better with which to build up the Body of Christ?
We all know that YFC. Most of us know and adhere to Church documents better than you (specifically your support for anti-Church teaching on sodomy marriage).
* * * * * Everyone with a brain knows that WORKING documents are CRITICALLY IMPORTANT as to the agenda and potential outcome – especially when be steered away from Church teaching.
They determine what is going to be discussed – including the 3 paragraphs that should have been removed.
You merely want the heretical Bishops like Danneel to gain control to support homosexual marriage.
– – – – –
You want official CHURCH teaching. Here is OFFICIAL Church teaching.
REGARDING homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
St Paul – 1 Cor 11:27-30 about condemnation for receiving Holy Communion unworthily.
CCC: 2357, 2358, 2359 & 2396.
Now what do you not understand about these, YFC ?
Carlos, I happen to have a brain, thank you for your concern. By insulting fellow catholics like myself, by being overly critical especially in public to the Bishops and the Pope, you show your disdain for the very catholic doctrine you claim to love.
Answer the questions YFC. You may have a brain, but you choose to be ignorant of the Faith.
Admit to being a heretic.
Admit to loving and promoting the mortal sin of Sodomy.
You are not one of the Christian Faithful.
Rights and Obligations of ALL the Christian Faithful
Code of Canon Law ” 212 §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church,
and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful,
without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals,
with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons.”
The Catholic Faith DEMANDS TRUTH,
not trying to deceive others.
The Bishops are not on your side, so quit being deceitful.
They did not approve any pro-sodomy paragraphs.
Several of the Bishops who attended the 2014 Synod are asking that the unapproved paragraphs be relegated to an addendum.
And the Bishops have no control what the Pope allows to be posted on the Vatican web site.
The Majority of Bishops are on the side of God, not you.
YFC – why do you find direct quotes from Sacred Scripture and the CCC insulting to you ?
This is the Doctrine of the Catholic Faith, and you are on a Catholic web site, with a moniker pretending to be Catholic.
Please answer the question.
“… by being overly critical especially in public to the Bishops and the Pope, you show your disdain for the very catholic doctrine you claim to love.”
At least, YFC, have the chutzpah to answer the questions posed to you or, at the very least, be consistent when applying the logic you pose to yourself. That is set the example of fidelity to the Faith.
Carlos The Grand Inquisitor. I will not let you hijack the conversation about something that it is not. It is not about homosexuality, or my faith. It is about your castigating the Pope in public. You are not “making known to the sacred pastors” your opinions, you are broadly criticising them in a public forum which I can assure you, the Pope does not read! There is quite a difference, isn’t there? And by the way, the first part of the law you quoted reads, ” According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess…”, so I’m just wondering what competence your possess to be so self assured that you can judge the Pope’s every actions and those of the people around him.
Mark I don’t find quotations from scripture or CCC insulting. Where do I say that I do? Obviously, what is insulting is that when I issue an opinion about something and Carlos who disagrees says “anyone with a brain” thinks the way he does, then calls people who disagree with him idiots. That is obviously an insult. Why do you lie about what I found insulting???
YFC, everything you post here with regard to the Faith is insulting as you speak with a forked tongue. Lying about what you write every day is insulting to anyone with a brain. That said, since you do have one, you should be insulted as well because you are, in fact, insulting your own intelligence by feigning ignorance to the spew of ‘fidelity’ you post here while pushing for all that is perversion.
The 2014 RELATIO is the basis for the 2015 Synod Agenda.
Everything in it will be discussed for a final vote.
Of course it is extremely important YFC.
Iit is important that it be translated accurately in all languages, and those 3 paragraphs that were not approved by a 2/3 vote should have been removed.
Bad and incomplete translations, and allowing unapproved paragraphs to be included is not transparent, and is not truth. This type of bad behavior breeds mistrust as well.
Only an idiot would think that it does not matter.
Paul, do you not see that when you make a statement such as “those 3 paragraphs that were not approved by a 2/3 vote should have been removed”, you are directly contradicting the Supreme Pontiff who ordered them published along with the vote totals so we would all know the degree of consensus garnered among the Bishops?
Do you not see how arrogant it is for you to demand so decisively that the Pope was wrong? It was his decision to make, yet you arrogate to yourself the right to determine his error. And it IS a minor matter one way or the other. It is merely an internal working document, not a document declaring an item of faith. You are making a mountain out of molehill. And in so doing you are opposing a MAJORITY of the bishops gathered at the Synod, in addition to the Peter himself, and instigating division amongst the faithful.
A little humility goes a long way.
“A little humility goes a long way” = And exalting the “miseries of the Church” lands many souls in hell.
“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.”
St. Athanasius, Council of Nicaea, AD 325 attributed.
November 28, 2014 at 10:33 am
CNS STORY: Pope, in book, says homosexuality incompatible with priesthood
By John Thavis
Catholic News Service
VATICAN CITY (CNS) — In his new book, Pope Benedict XVI strongly reaffirmed church teaching that homosexual acts are “disordered” and said homosexuality itself is “incompatible” with the priesthood.
The pope’s comments came in his new book-interview, “Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times,” which was published Nov. 23.
The interviewer, German journalist Peter Seewald, asked the pope whether the church’s teaching that homosexuals deserve respect isn’t contradicted by its position that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.”
The pope answered: “No. It is one thing to say that they are human beings with their problems and their joys, that as human beings they deserve respect, even though they have this inclination, and must not be discriminated against because of it.”
“At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual,” he said. “The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future.”
The pope said the church needs to hold firm on this point, “even if it is not pleasing to our age.”
“But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed,” he said.
When Seewald said that homosexuality exists in monasteries and among the clergy, even if not acted out, the pope responded: “Well, that is just one of the *miseries of the church*. And the persons who are affected must at least try not to express this inclination actively.”
YFC, you are not fooling anyone.
It is you who are wrong because you are being deceitful in that those paragraphs include homosexual and other sinful activity – which you happen to support.
The Pope is not infallible when it comes to organizing the Synod.
There is no requirement to agree with him on everything that is not Church teaching.
The Supreme Pontiff should have had those 3 unapproved paragraphs by the required 2/3 if the Bishops, removed or at least put in footnotes or addendum –
so that it will be clear to all who read the Relatio that they are not worth discussing at the 2015 Synod.
And the Pope should instruct his employees that the Relatio should be published in each language on the Vatican web site without leaving out or altering important phrases or sentences.
There is no excuse for this. These people are on his payroll.
The Pope is a human being. He commits sin. He makes errors.
The Pope is not infallible regarding anything that took place at the Synod.
The Pope is infallible regarding Faith and Morals only, when his statements are OFFICIALLY promulgated as such – such as the CCC through Apostolic Constitution.
YFC, read this – from Pope Benedict (Cardinal Ratzinger)
This is only one example to show you that you can disagree with the Pope except on Matters of Faith and Morals when officially promulgated.
QUOTE ” 3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. ” UNQUOTE.
https://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm paragraph 3
You on the other hand are a heretic by supporting sodomy marriage.
Homosexual Acts violate Church teachings from Sacred Scripture and the CCC, and there are no books in the Catholic Faith more official than these.
There was a consensus to crucify Our Lord, too, YFC. Would it have been humble in your view to merely not say a word or perhaps to join in the hurrahs of “Crucify Him!!!”
JOE good comments, I agree. God bless you. Please continue to be faithful and loyal. We trust in Jesus’s promises to us. Daily I pray for our church and Pope. It keeps us humble!
PETE I agree with you. YFC it would serve you good if you just opened your heart to what PETE is telling you. What good is it that you point out the error of another while you, yourself are here promoting agenda’s of your very own. We already know you…..when will you learn. Nothings new with you huh ? Same ole same ole. God have mercy on us all.
YFC I prayed for you and also gift you these precious quotes from Fulton Sheen. Enjoy and reflect, in charity here they are:
“Nothing is more harmful to a man than his resistance to Grace.”
“So much do the will and its sin become wedded together that a soul will say, Let me alone. I made my bed and I will lie in it.”
“Those who hate Truth and fear Goodness are not far from the kingdom of God. They are fighting against it, and yet they know theirs is a losing battle. The more violently men hate truth, the more they think about it; the more they fear the goodness that demands perfection, the more they know it is what they really seek.”
Wow! Thank you Oscar for posting this! For my own and other’s convenience here are the two English translations side by side:
“… and facing the situation, with an eye on the Lord Jesus, to discern how the Church and society can renew their commitment to the family.”
“….the comparison in the light of the Lord Jesus to discern the ways in which to renew the Church and society in their commitment to the family based on marriage between a man and woman.”
Oscar, thank you for your great work! I beg everyone who reads this to say a prayer and decide to offer up a small or large penance in reparation for this act. This stuff is really evil and souls are at risk.
OSCAR and Tracy,
Wow is right! Thank you both for posting. I will send this information out to my email list.
Once again, Happy Thanksgiving to both of you! Here is a little gift of faith : )
OSCAR thank you If I remember when I return home, I will write another letter to the Pope noting what you posted. I hope that you too have sent in your concerns, its worth the extra postage, count it as your tithing. This language barrier situation is always troubling but with charity we need to point it out. Things get lost in interpretation. I don’t think that we should always see malice because when it comes to other languages, its not easy. I remember when visiting my Arabic family, I don’t speak Arabic, I asked my cousins to interpret for me, because my aunt, back then when she was alive, didn’t speak English. The cousin who did the interpretation, didn’t speak very good English either. So there was that misunderstanding between conversations, lol. When another cousin stepped in to interpretation what i said, they all laughed., I don’t know what they even said. Such is life. May the Holy Ghost protect us from the snares of the devil, he loves to get people caught up in misunderstandings, he loves to tempt and confuse. He loves to divide. God protect us. We are living real spiritual wars. Even the saints had to suffer a great deal due to spiritual attacks. The average folks like us, how are we to fight such things, we are not equipped to do so. Even our Lord had to endure such spiritual battles, even Virgin Mary. so we are to do so as well. We just pray for Jesus to protect us and to give us the graces to overcome such things.
Rick Warren said in an interview with Raymond Arroyo on EWTN that both he and his wife pray the Chaplet of Devine Mercy with the televised Chaplet on EWTN almost daily.
MAC that is great to know. I’m grateful that these protestants are open to our pearls. That is the precious gift we have as true Christians, that our church is a gift, that we welcome all people to these gifts, anything that leads to someones conversion, which lead to perfect contrition. Well God bless Rick Warren for being open to these gifts. Our Lord is merciful and patient. For that I am grateful.
Why did Pope Francis instruct his people to leave in paragraphs # 52, 53, 55 that did NOT get the required 2/3 Vote in the final report “Relatio Synodi” of Oct 18, 2014 ?
Why weren’t the paragraphs that did not get the needed support completely removed ?
This along with the Translation errors on the Vatican web site – what will non-Italian speaking Bishops receive from the Vatican in preparation for 2015 ?
Will these also contain translation errors ? – possibly purposeful ?
Why did Pope Francis name Abp Bruno Forte one of the 6 Bishops to organize the Oct 4-25, 2015 Synod, when Forte is the person responsible for the infamous and purposely error filled mid term report of Oct 13, 2014 “Relatio post disceptationem”;
And distributed to the world wide press prior to the participating Bishops seeing it?
Wouldn’t it be nice if you actually showed some respect to the Bishops of the Synod and the Holy Father, instead of throwing accusations every which way but loose?
Anonymous when you have no FACTS to offer to support your position, why do you bother taking up space with your posts ?
You merely want to divert the TRUTH.
If you have official links that are contrary to what has been posted, please provide them. Otherwise your objections mean nothing.
Betty’s questions are legitimate based upon facts.
Maddie, it is self evident that there is widespread disrespect for the Bishops and the Pope in many of the comments on this page and throughout CCD. You can capitalize FACTS and TRUTH all you want, but the disrespect is obvious. Betty cannot possibly KNOW the FACTS and TRUTH about the motivations of the Pope or the Bishops. Yet she arrogantly pretends she does. Thus, when Betty casts aspersions on the Pope because of rather pedestrian decisions he makes, personell decisions regarding Bishops in good standing, she disrespects him, and in fact, his Petrine ministry. What FACTS and TRUTH do you think you know about the motivations? Have you not read what the Catechism teaches about assuming the best motivations behind people’s words and actions? Especially when you owe them your sacred obedience? Have you never learned about the sin of pride and the virtue of humility?
Anonymous, there is nothing wrong in asking legitimate questions.
What is your REAL problem with Betty’s questions?
Could it be that she is very close to the truth?
Anonymous, the majority of Bishops/Cardinals who attended the Synod were good Clergy trying to do their best for the Church.
That is why the FALSE mid-term report posted on the Vatican web site made so many of them angry and was ripped apart by them.
The FALSE mid-term report is still on the Vatican web site: “Relatio post disceptationem” of Oct 13, 2014 – https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2014/10/13/0751/03037.html
These faithful Bishops deserve our respect. They are not responsible for leaving important phrases out of the Relatio on the Vatican web site;
they are not responsible for mistranslations,
they are not responsible for including the 3 paragraphs that did not get the 2/3 vote (and if anything should be nothing more than footnotes).
You’ll have to ask Pope Francis about his own appointees and employees. He is responsible for them.
You are confusing RESPECT with TRUST.
People will not trust high ranking Clergy who do not adhere to Sacred Scripture and the CCC in entirety. But instead push their own personal religious and political views.
(Many people are wiser today because they read Sacred Scripture, and read the CCC, and therefore can smell error and heresy a mile away. It is more difficult to fool them.)
People will not trust high ranking Clergy like Cardinals Mahony, Bernardin, Danneels, and others who aided and abetted in the abusing of children by secretly moving guilty Priests from parish to parish.
Even all the Bishops who attended the Synod, no longer trust those in charge who control information and control content which does not reflect the 2014 Synod.
“Anonymous” and “Your Fellow Catholic”: You urge cooperation and respect where there can be none. The Relatio (even a draft) that departs so fundamentally from Catholic teaching and Tradition that it represents, at the very least, a major scandal, must be strongly opposed.
This what Liberals and HomoFascists do: try to “dialogue” with the theologically criminal, the morally depraved, the devoted of Satan. Then — they hope — that the “smell of the sheep” has become common, and at least tolerated. Then, they can do the real damage: “see, they will shout, see the many that are now happy and coming back to church, and all of that.”
Of course, none of that will be true. The Catholic Church will be nothing more than the Episcopalians — doing dress up with female clerics, making up their theology as they go; “welcoming” sin that cannot be welcomed (and that has no gifts). Certainly, the hope is that an already heavily homosexual clergy, will simply become emboldened and step up to support heresy.
Unfortunately, Pope Francis has his hands all over the draft Relatio. You know, fellas, that it does not matter if Francis likes it, or wants to welcome homosexuals, or have homosexual marriages, or anything like that: he cannot do it. Bishops, like Abp. Forte, and other homosexual sexual-loving bishops and cardinals, like Dolan, Wuerl and others, do not deserve respect. Traditionalists know that these clerics are seeking to change the Church that they do not respect or love or work for.
St. Christopher, it is you who does not deserve respect. Who are you to say what is in the hearts of these bishops you despise? I suppose you are more worthy to judge than Pope Francis, or those of us that have accepted the Biblical instruction that “Judgement is mine, Sayeth the Lord”.
Where you completely demonstrate your bigotry is where you claim homosexuals possess no gifts from God that might be valuable to share with the rest of mankind. Any cursory study will show that homosexuals have made valuable contributions in many fields. Even serious sinners have been made in the image and likeness of God and thus have been given unique gifts from God that they are duty bound to share with the world.
The above is standard theology, and to deny it is to deny doctrine. However, you don’t care. You purport to be devoted to dogma and say you are more faithful than Pope Francis and many bishops, but your rejection of this basic truth reveals your bigotry. Unrepentant fornicators, gluttons, hypocrites, and those who bear witness against their neighbors all possess gifts from God, yet you say homosexuals do not.
Now, I can understand why many are upset with the suggestion that homosexual relationships possess some virtue that was in language that was later modified. I think that language was poorly crafted. Yet, concern for others based not on homosexual sexual activity but on desire to help is not corrupt, and can occur between homosexual partners.
Great questions Betty( in your Nov 27, 2014 at 4:25 am) post.
The Pope should answer them.
There are many Catholics who have the same questions that you do.
“Thou shall not commit Adultery” – GOD’s Commandment
Ex 20:14 ; Deut 5:18.
“Thou shall not covet thy Neighbor’s wife” – GOD’s Commandment
Ex 20:17 ; Deut 5.20.
Teachings of JESUS about divorce and remarriage –
Mk 10:6-12; Mt 5:32.
Teaching of JESUS about adultery, mercy, and required repentance – “Go and Sin NO more” Jn 8:11.
Regarding homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
St Paul – 1 Cor 11:27-30 about condemnation for receiving Holy Communion unworthily.
CCC: ” 81 Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.
And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its ENTIRETY the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching. “
THEY don’t care what the actual scriptures say!
Isn’t it amazing how the those who on this Site who openly support the Sins of Sodomy are so vehement in attacking those who want to defend the actual teachings of the Church which appear to be under attack by this SINOD (Synod)!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
Regarding the woman caught in adultery, What would Jesus have said if the crowd had returned and said “Rabbi, we caught her AGAIN. May we stone her now? Please? Please?”
JESUS would not change any of the Ten Commandments.
Thou shall not kill.
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
He would probably let her go to HELL of her own free will
without her required repentance of – “Go and SIN NO MORE”.
When JESUS teaching was difficult, many disciples left Him.
He did not change His teaching to suit them.
He did not beg them to come back.
He let them go.
…what would Our Lord have said if the woman was caught inside the temple promoting adultery, C&H? Perhaps passing out cards to the temple priests and winking. Our Lord made a whip and drove money changers from the temple. I can only imagine what He might do to those who attempt to change doctrine in the temple – especially the nature of that which He created.
Ann .. But she wasn’t caught inside the temple. my point is that unlike some Evangelicals, we don’t believe that we can be “born again” (Bolt-from-the -Blue) and that we’re perfect thereafter, but rather, as a priest from my youth once said, “We try, and if we fail, we try again.” Also – as I understand it, allowing the stoning of women (but not men?) for real or perceived sexual sins and allowing the money changers in the temple WAS doctrine of that time. Didn’t Christ come to change some doctrines?
Christ came to fulfill the law, C&H. So yes, we sin and we fall and we sin again. But the attempt to redefine marriage is to say, in essence, that there is no fall, but rather there is a lesser state that should be accepted. Sorry, but that is not okay. So while the adulteress may well have fallen again that is no endorsement to adultery. That is the issue with the push for redefining marriage, that is folks are attempting to take that which is sinful and say that it is now okay.
That is why endorsing same sex marriage is the ‘bolt of lightening’ theory you propose, but in the opposite direction. So attempting to polarize the situation by implicating ‘Evangelicals’ to be black and white while asserting somehow that Catholics are more reasoned in their approach is inaccurate, although it does serve the agenda of unseating some Catholics from remaining faithful to the Truth for ‘fear’ of being perceived as some ‘black and white’ evangelical.
Catholics, for all their understanding of human frailty, are required and DO cleave to the truths of the Faith and the natural law. Translation: no matter how many times the woman may be caught in adultery, it is still adultery and something to be repented of, not embraced as good.
C&H, stoning killing was never a Doctrine of the Jewish Faith.
You seem to be confusing Doctrine with the sinfulness of the Pharisees who twisted the Faith frequently to suit their own beliefs and desires.
God via MOSES provided them with the 10 Commandments which included – “Thou Shall NOT Kill” – Ex 20:13 and Deut 5:17.
St STEPHEN was the first martyr and a MALE. He was stoned to death for being a Christian. Acts 7:54-60.
JESUS said: . Mt 5: 17 20
“ Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets;
I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. ”
As someone stated: When most of Jesus disciples left Him because His teaching was too difficult – Jesus NEVER changed His teaching;
He did NOT beg them to come back. He let them go of their own free will.
JESUS certainly would not have told her to continue sinning – adultery.
JESUS certainly would not have told her to commit the additional sins of Sacrilege or Scandal.
1 Cor 11: 27-30
PARTAKING of the SUPPER UNWORTHILY
” Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.
Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.
That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. “
C&H, he warned her that something worse might happen if she did it again. In other words he was telling her that he might not defend her again but let her suffer the consequences of her own actions the next time.
The Bible says, “Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” Matthew 4:7. Many have and suffered terrible consequences.
It has been observed by more than one Pope that the ‘Scandal’ of Christianity is that we treat ‘outsiders’ (e.g. Atheists) Better than we do others claiming a ‘Christian’ Faith / Heritage.
This has also been likened to a ‘Family Feud’ – which has an intimacy to the animosity that is missing from other types of conflict, say with a bad driver who cuts you off or someone at a distance who displeases.
That Said – there is also a Very Sound Basis for the Catholic Position of Supremacy of the True Catholic Faith; which is not only because at one time the Catholic Church Was All of Christianity, and had not just seniority but the Apostolic Succession to justify such.
However – Despite a desire for ‘Comity’ with those who profess belief in the One True Trinitarian God, basic bedrock differences exist not just with the followers of Luther…
(as in Martin, former Catholic Priest turned against the Church – which admittedly was badly in need of Some of the Reforms pushed – and eventually made many of them internally, such as with Purchasing ‘Indulgences’)
– But with others who also would Deny the ‘Real Presence’ of Christ in the Eucharist and claim Communion is only ‘Symbolic’.
It don’t get much more basic than that – and it has been a sticking point that so far no amount of Comity has been able to maneuver around.
Based on the various interpretations on the “Who am I to Judge” quote, this may or may not play a role in Future relations between those who call themselves Christians and those who Believe in the Basics of the Catholic Church – which more than anything else is centered on the Mass & Holy Communion.
I do wish well for Warren and others who Aspire to Christian Ideals (we Catholics have the Sacrament of Reconciliation for those whose actions don’t always match their aspirations, but want to keep trying) – but it is important to remember just What the Differences Are – lest we surrender the Truth in search of Comity.
We all know the differences between our Catholic Faith and other Christian Faiths, McDermott.
However – other people (who are doing to best they can with what has been given to them) can get to Heaven as well.
Remember there are some high ranking clergy at they 2014 Synod who want to change Church teaching to contradict Jesus and other Sacred Scripture teaching. These are heretics, and God will judge if they will get to Heaven.
Dan said: “We all know the differences between our Catholic Faith and other…”
Yaknow – Sometimes I Wonder about that Too.
“Our Catholic Faith without which it is impossible to please God”. Council of Trent Session V
That’s Right Dan. We must armor ourselves with true Catholicism. Humility begins with the understanding that those within our church are also human and sinners. There is bad will and good will with God’s people and we trust that our Lord will be just to each accordingly. We just have to do our part and be faithful. The rest who have brought on more confusion, will they are just a byproduct of how bad this culture has and is continuing to go backwards. But all is not lost, for God’s graces are with us who are open to them. God bless you for your comments.
Save California – headed by Randy Thomason, is one Evangelical organization that many Catholics may make Common Cause with on a number of issues that threaten the very fabric of society – and the Eventual Banning of the Faith as an ObamAcorn ‘tolerance’ porgom.
We told more people today about the unnatural and harmful cross-dressing, “sex-change” agenda — and Facebook friends Jennifer and Chris were quoted.
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Getting back on the subject of the SYNOD –
TRUTH is Critical;
TRUTH breeds Trust. TRANSPARANCY (light) breeds Trust.
TRUTH is a requirement of the Catholic Faith.
1) The POPE needs to get his PAID staff to correct all language translations as approved by 2/3 of the Bishops at the 2014 Synod on the Vatican web site.
No error is acceptable or excusable.
The Relatio Synodi of Oct 18 in the English translation is still in error as of this date on the Vatican web site.
2) The 3 paragraphs not approved by 2/3 majority can be put into an addendum for distribution, if it is the desire of the Pope.
The Relatio is supposed to be from the 2014 Synod Bishops to those Bishops attending in 2015, not from the Pope, himself.
UN-APPROVED paragraphs should never be mixed in the main body of the Relatio, since they were never approved as required – for use by the 2015 Synod.
OSCAR, thank you for the official information including links in your Nov, 27, 3:56 am post.
We should all save these links and share this information with others so they will know of the errors being promulgated by the Vatican staff.
In addition we should keep checking the Vatican web site – English translation of the Relatio Synodi of Oct 18 to find out if they have any intention of correct the error or perpetrating error.
And thank you, PETE for the recap. Errors or lies should never be allowed to stand. Truth must prevail in all matters related to the Faith.
YFC, “Your Fellow Catholic”, you know that Sodomy Marriage is what you have posted on several occasions as being good. Sodomy Marriage is Homosexual Marriage, marriage between people of the same sex.
Do not deny that you have publically and on several occasions supported homosexual (sodomy) marriage. If you are trying to promote for one minute that these people merely hold hands, you are insulting everyone’s intelligence. They have a same sex – sexual relationship. (This is called Sodomy.)
And if you are a “Catholic” at all, you are a heretic. (See CCC # 2089 for Church definition of heresy.)
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
St Paul – 1 Cor 11:27-30 about condemnation for receiving Holy Communion unworthily.
CCC: 2357, 2358, 2359, and 2396.
Now, YFC, which teaching from Sacred Scripture and the CCC do you deny ?
My Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
PLEASE remember that we are to judge ‘ACTIONS’ , we are not to condone
certain behavior, and we are to love and respect all…. just not their actions!
God is the judge, that is not our job. We never condemn people saying this person or that person will be going to hell.
Elizabeth, who said a specific person is definitely going to Hell ?
I have never seen that. So please explain your statement using an actual example.
Certainly you will agree that those in UNREPENTANT Mortal Sin are going to Hell.
We don’t know who will repent prior to death.
Jesus said few will be saved. Mt 7:13-14 & Lk 13:23-28.
Jesus will judge each of us at our particular judgment at death and the final judgment.
Regarding “IGNORANCE”, all the regular posters know the Mortal Sins that are discussed, so they will have no excuses.
CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility.
This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good,
or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.”
In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits. “
JESUS said to Judge with Right Judgment. Jn 7:24.
In order that we not be hypocrites, JESUS said we must take the log out of our own eye to see clearly – PRIOR to taking the splinter out of our brothers’. Mt 7:5; Lk 6:42.
Never TOLERATE MORTAL SIN.
LOL!…Archbishop Lefebvre was a heretic…yet YFC, who is an admitted SAA lover, believes the “gays”, who indulge in perversion with impunity, who go to mass, receive the sacraments whilst indulging in buggery, which is a gravely sinful sacrilege… are somehow the “true” face of the Catholic Church…NOT!
Mr. Crystalaire true that. I don’t think that YFC thinks that they are the true face of the church, but its just how he wishes to interpret things and add more to the confusion. Its like “in your face” attitude to those who are more traditional. He speaks proudly because he knows it just pushes our buttons. We know where the true deception is, we know, we just have to not fall for the trap and say the church is damned because of the deceptive propaganda that pro-homosexuals are freely selling to those who do not know their faith and the church. Its like ammunition to them.
“…Its like “in your face” attitude to those who are more traditional.”
Incendiary comments such as these are helpful to no one. Especially the one who makes them as they are sign of pride, albeit undiagnosed. Such comments also, despite one’s willingness to accept as much, deprive the Church of the much needed aid of those who are faithful to the time held clarity of Church teaching.
So yes, indeed, “We know where the true deception is.” And it is not in the decision to pursue clarity even though there are many who would paint the face of tradition as some self-gratifying superiority. For it is the gift of the Church for nearly 2000 years that is the gift of tradition, not the interpretation of any one individual – including those who fancy themselves as conciliatory. Nobody is of the mind that the ‘Church’ is damned, but rather that She is following her Spouse in the crucifixion by those who should accept Her.
Indeed, the attitudes of many in full communion who fancy themselves to be precisely right where they need to be is little more than a misperceived superiority….. and a lack of understanding save for those prefabbed notes of what ‘they’ believe – ‘they’ being the dreaded ‘traditionalist.’
“And other sheep I have that are not of this fold; them also must I bring and they shall hear my voice: and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.” John 10:16 , Douay-Rheims.
“I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead., and they will hear my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.” — New American Bible.
I believe Pope Francis is trying to bring Christians together, especially on the things in which they agree. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has already said that Pope Francis is the rightful pope and has no desire to oppose him. Raymond Cardinal Burke has also said that he desires in no way to oppose the successor of Peter, just that he thinks some things should be expressed clearer. Neither one wants to lead a schism or shows a desire to do so. Pope Francis is not going to change marriage; he cannot, and no matter what one thinks of him, he is no heretic, so while he is trying to bring Christendom together, let us not try to divide it.
As Pope John XXIII, now St. John XXIII, was reported to have said, “I must be the pope of both those who want to put their feet on the gas pedal and of those who want to put their feet on the brake.” It seems Pope Francis is in the same position now. Let us pray for the Holy Spirit to guide him.
Ann – This is beautiful.
God bless you Anne T…Beautiful post.
” Pope Francis is not going to change marriage; he cannot, and no matter what one thinks of him, he is no heretic, so while he is trying to bring Christendom together, let us not try to divide it.” The division is already there and he is making it worse.
UNITY will be found in TRUTH only.
And this Truth can be found in:
1) Sacred Scripture (Catholic Bible) – the speech of God (CCC #81);
2) The “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (1997) which contains the Doctrine of the Faith.
Until such time as most Bishops teach fully in accord with Sacred Scripture and the CCC, there will be NO UNITY.
Bishops must Teach, Correct, and Discipline when necessary.
David, I do not dispute your post today at 5:48 am. Nevertheless the truth is found for most of us slowly through learning over a lifetime. None of us are born a totally faithful Christian and/or Catholic from birth; we all sin, at least venially, and most lack understanding from the start. Not all have infused grace from their childhood. We start out as children spiritually and mature over time. Some never mature spiritually at all sad to say, and some have heard the truth and just rebel and reject it.
My personal opinion is that some things were just allowed far too long and should have been “nipped in the bud” a long time ago, especially concerning dissident politicians, but then I remember what one young FSSP priest said in a sermon. It was to the effect that when we become inpatient with God allowing the sins of others to go on, we should remember how patient he was with us when we were in serious sin.
I understand the concern of some, myself included, about situations such as that with Cardinal Burke, but it is something I cannot change, and perhaps it is God’s way of preparing the cardinal and others to serve him even better through learning obedience and humility. I do not know, nor do I pretend to know. God does write straight with crooked lines, and often we do not see the wisdom of what he allows and does.
I recommend for reading “The Pope’s True Agenda” by William Doino, Jr. on the First Things website.
Warren Goddard, apparently you have not read the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, second edition” (aka CCC; 1997).
The CCC contains NO ERRORS, – if you have the correct translation into English.
On the cover of the correct version you will find the words: ” revised in accordance with the official Latin text promulgated by Pope John Paul II”.
It has a dark green cover (not beige), and at the very beginning contains “the Apostolic Letter “LAETARMUR MAGOPERE” dated Aug.,18, 1997 with the signature of Pope John Paul II.
Here is a link from the Vatican web site which contains the Apostolic letter.
The CCC contains the Deposit of the Faith (Doctrine).
If you own the beige covered CCC that does not contain, the Apostolic Letter “Laetamur Magnopere” – I would suggest destroying it.
In the history of the Church there have only been 2 universal catechisms.
1) The Catechism of the Council of Trent (aka Roman Catechism) of 1566 AD;
2) The “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (aka CCC) of 1997.
(All other catechisms have been local catechisms only.)
For quotes about the CCC from Pope John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis,
on the internet, please see: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”
In the USA, the CCC can be purchased through the USCCB, most Catholic online bookstores, even Amazon.
(Just be sure to get an accurate copy – dark green in the USA as described above as pictured on the posted link, if purchasing through a non-Catholic source.)
Mike; My copy is 1992 beige cover with 1258 in error on baptism for the Church has never before taught that there is such things as baptisms of blood and desire.
Thanks again, MIKE.
Important post, as usual.
Dear Mister Turdley, as Carol noted above at 7:04 this morning, I haven’t mentioned anything at all about homosexuality or anything remotely related, in my many posts on this page. Plugging away is being done by those who cannot stand to see me comment at all on any subject whatsoever, even when I am able to bring a fresh point of view to the conversation. Instead, they always bring the conversation around to my being gay. As though that has anything at all to do with Rick Warren’s appearance at the Vatican, or with the obviously related subject of ecumenism.
Me: It’s raining today in San Francisco
You all: What do you know about the weather, you are a sodomite?!
Me: Wow the rain has stopped and the sun has broken out.
You all: Why do you always have to bring your sodomy marriage agenda to this website?
Me: I think I’ll go for a walk in Golden Gate Park and pay a visit to Saint Francis in the Fragrance Garden.
You all: Stop trying to tell us about Catholicism when you are a sodomite!
YFC writes, “as Carol noted above at 7:04 this morning, I haven’t mentioned anything about homosexuality or anything remotely related, in my many posts on this page. ” = k-anonymous also ran interference for your homosexual activism….hence the predictable hiding and the transparent switching of names.
Response: You did not suddenly appear on the scene Mr. homosexual activist to chat about the weather. This is a Catholic website that was most likely started to combat the errors that are often taught. You support and promote those errors so your comments are viewed as deceptive due to you’re ulterior motives. For the sake of your own soul you may also choose to use your free will to publicly retract your encouraging support for homosexual adoption and same sex unions. For the benefit of any new readers, this poster clearly rejects Papal authority and Church teaching on the issue of homosexual unions and homosexual adoption. A fantasy stroll in the fragrance garden can never mask the putrid stench of obstinate habitual mortal sin, which is what you often try to sell to those who are of the household of the faith.
Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians Chapter Six
Paul 6 :  And let him that is instructed in the word, communicate to him that instructeth him, in all good things.  Be not deceived, God is not mocked.  For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap.
YFC, when you clean up your sexual act, repent, and let the posters know –
since you let them all know that you support homosexual marriage (sodomy) by your own posts,
then perhaps you will have some credibility about the Catholic Faith.
Until then, forget it. Your credibility is in the toilet with your morals. You have zero authority since you are incapable of TRUTH.
Sandy, why do my sins disqualify me from having credibility on the faith when yours do not?
“Sandy, why do my sins disqualify me from having credibility on the faith when yours do not?” Because you YFC want to make sin a sacrament, and make sodomy normal…all part of the counterfeit Church
Canisius, No I do not want to make sin a sacrament. Please don’t put words or ideas into my mouth that I have never ever said.
YFC, you publically PROMOTE and ENCOURAGE others in your Mortal Sins.
You are not sorry for your mortal sins based upon your own postings.
You are a heretic based upon the Church definition of heresy (CCC 2089).
Your blackened Soul does not qualify to you teach any Catholic anything.
Let us know when you repent – with a firm purpose to sin no more, and to make reparation for all of your evil posts.
YFC even though you error in homosexual views, you can reason in other areas of the faith. Its good that you can share your views that are like minded with Catholicism. We should encourage that, so my apologies if often at times, your homosexuality is thrown at you when it does not apply. We already know where you stand on those issues, its now up to many to continue praying for your conversion and you pray for us, as this humbles us. But don’t think that you can change the church, because you should already know that God does not change! People change but God is the same always. Your conversion is in His hands. But no one should deny that you can reason in like minded areas of discussion. Just like you can also appreciate, if you choose to, the love and convictions that we have in Christ. After all it’s all about Christ and His sanctifying graces that matter the most. Rejoice when they elevate Christ and not themselves.
We Pray that with those like minded views with God that it leads all souls to Christ. Just an ounce, or faith as small as a mustard seed, we pray that it will bring in God’s graces to all sinners who are open to embracing them. We pray for the conversion of ALL SINNERS. That includes our Pope, priests, lay faithful etc and it begins with one self.
“Reasoning?” “It’s good that you can share your views that are like minded with Catholicism” = A view that entails the dismantling of the teachings of the Catholic Church and the deconstructing of the Traditional family in society is NOT GOOD or like minded with Catholicism.
Homosexual adoption is not like minded with Catholicism. Sending Christian homeschool families back to Germany to have their children removed by the police is cruel and heartless and not like minded with Catholicism. YFC has NEVER once called his homosexuality a downfall. Those are your words.
Charitable patience and mercy and plenty of room at the Inn for the views of Protestant Rick Warren. Charitable patience and mercy and plenty of room at the Inn for YFC’s dismantling of Church teaching while promoting same sex unions and violence being done to innocent children by promoting homosexual adoption but NO charitable room for patience or mercy at the Inn for Christ’s sheep who have been terribly wounded, spiritually neglected and deliberately scattered by wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Matthew 7:5 Douay-Rheims Bible
Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
“Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church.” – Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, 1972
“NO charitable room for patience or mercy at the Inn for Christ’s sheep who have been terribly wounded, spiritually neglected and deliberately scattered by wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
Don’t be so faithless.. Christi heals. Christ affirms. Christ instructs. Christ gathers. Christ protects. Christ loves. Christ strengthens. Christ conquers. Christs reigns. Christ orders. Christ leads.
You can’t “save” the Church by not following Christs commands.
You can’t “save” the Church by sinning..
“Don’t be so faithless” = What a compliment! Thank you for the reviling remark!
One kind deed inspires another. Please don’t be a “good for nothing being cast out and trodden upon by men ” while primarily hiding under a rock in hidden darkness and anonymity. That is always the preferred habitat of crawling insects who are known for scrambling in great fear when the rock is lifted to shine the light of TRUTH on their darkness.
“Matthew 5 : 11-15 “Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.” – Douay-Rheims
Well, I am sorry that you found the remark reviling. It was meant as an act of mercy and to reinvigorate your faith. Your need to turn to personal attack and demonization surely does not speak well of the state of your soul. We all have pride so I won’t criticize that. Sorry that you found my reply so hurtful.
“NO charitable room for patience or mercy at the Inn for Christ’s sheep who have been terribly wounded, spiritually neglected and deliberately scattered by wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
And yet mous seems to be only concerned with sodomy promoting sheep, but not those sheep that have been, to quote him/her, DELIBERATELY scattered by wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
Reminds me of others who perceive themselves holy because they castigate those who point to the fullness of Faith that does not change.
Ann Malley, I assure you that I am not about promoting sodomy and I will forgive your sin.
I forgive you, too, mous. But please, try to be clear for you make it very easy to misinterpret your intention/meaning, starting with the moniker.
YFC is very well aware of the Sacred Scriptures, and the Doctrine of the Faith in the CCC regarding homosexuality. Many have posted this information.
He is not a poor “wounded Soul”.
He is obstinate in mortal sin of his own free will. And he encourages others to go to Hell with him. – His goal in life based upon his own heretical posts.
Thank you for your kind words Abeca Christian. The interesting thing is that the more recent commentators here only know about my homosexuality because others have made it an issue every time I post anything about anything. So I appreciate your seeing me for more than just my sexuality. After all, isn’t one of the objections to homosexuality that we are NOT defined by our sexuality? Yet you’d never know it by the way people only seem able to define me by my sexuality. Thank you for looking at a more complete me.
YFC writes, “The interesting thing is that the more recent commentators here only know about my homosexuality because others have made it an issue every time I post anything about anything.” = Translation, YFC never anticipated the steadfast amount of opposition that he would receive when trying to sell the homosexual agenda on this website. YFC thought that he would simply use the same tactic that has worked so well over the years on the naive, the trusting, and the extremely gullible.
“After all, isn’t one of the objections to homosexuality that we are NOT defined by our sexuality?
Heres your big opportunity to see just how dishonest or honest or serious you are about your not wanting to be identified as a homosexual. Admit that it wasn’t very Catholic or wise of you to enter onto this Catholic website DEFINING YOURSELF with these words… “Hi I am Your Fellow Catholic a homosexual who has been living in a loving relationship with my partner for over 22 years. “
Catherine, it seems that you are still bent on changing every question into one about homosexuality. I’m sorry you are still so obsessed, but I still pray that you will find deliverance from your obsession with homosexuality. I won’t answer your charge because only you, dear Catherine, are so obsessed that you would even purport to know how an individual person first enters into the dialogue here on CCD, what, 2, or was it 3, years ago? I’m guessing that since I never use the word “homosexual” except to respond to people who used the term first, that you are indeed MISQUOTING me. Please provide the chapter and verse, dear Catherine, and please make sure that you provide the very FIRST quote I made here, as to quote some other passage of mine would prove you incorrect by definition.
I keep hoping you will recover and ‘feel’ better someday, YFC, but I see that today is not that day.
Just be honest for a change, YFC. That would be so utterly refreshing. Even more so than using ‘dear’ and feigning fidelity to the Holy Pontiff. Such saccharine only prompts the gag reflex.
That said, even without Catherine’s stellar research skills, there are those online who remember and/or can put facts together to reach logical conclusions. Many of those who do are the very same that can logically string the events and facts together with regard to post VII fruits and the recent Synod as compared to what came before.
Now, I understand you have an aversion to having to be consistent with something that was purported to be factual and/or binding only 2 or 3 years back. You seem to think it obsessive to expect consistency over such a LONG span. But in matters of the deposit of the Faith that consistency is rather essential – even though you would likely deign that obsessive too considering we’re trying to carry forth with what Christ taught. Especially, in this particular article, with regard to marriage. Something else you seem intent on changing.
Dear Ann Malley, I am sorry that references to the Roman Pontiff cause you to gag. That is your problem, not mine. I do tell the truth. Sorry you cannot handle the truth. And, among the truth you seem unable to handle is that the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council issued a Decree on Ecumenism. This article describes how the Pope acted out of reverence for that decree, and you all take him to task for it. But, as I have previously pointed out, the Decree and in fact the validity of the entire Council is held suspect by the founder Archbishop Lefebvre of the SSPX and by his followers, including, apparently, you. Making you heretics and schismatics. The truth hurts sometimes.
“When you remember another’s sin, you oblige God to remember yours.” Father Lawrence Lovasik
Your welcome. YFC do you pray the rosary? Or have you ever prayed the rosary? If you haven’t or do not know how, go to EWTN or other faithful websites, look up their sheets on how to pray the rosary. They have beautiful traditional images to help with the reflections. How about singing the divine chaplet of mercy? I invite you to try it. When you pray the rosary 100 days in a row, daily………
Dear Abeca Christian, I have prayed the rosary. It is not a part of my ongoing personal devotion, though I have immense respect for those for whom it is.
YFC, if you pray the rosary daily, it bears much fruit. Not just for yourself or your family but for the whole world.
Likewise when you worthily receive Holy Communion, every creature on earth and in Purgatory and in Heaven receives a new effect of the Lord’s bounty.
I know that you have converted from another Christian denomination, but the Catholic Church has mysteries that you may not be aware of or have experienced yet. Many lifelong Catholics do not understand all the graces available to them.
As part of your prayer, please ask your Guardian Angel or the Blessed Mother to request those graces that you do not know to ask for.
Love and prayers for you. God bless you.
Yfc do you remember MarkF. He is a good soul, with embracing God’s good graces, he humily came to a good will with our Lord. I pray the same for you. I met men like you, who now are no longer promoting or living the gay lifestyle. I remember mark from PA who always came here with his agendas and i remember MarkF’s advice to us the regulars. He adviced us to ignore PA. No one agreed. I am trying to follow his guidance here with you especially since i have admonished you many times in the past and you ignore my guidance. Behind closed doors ive been praying alot for you and everyone here. I know you can reason.
Yfc may i suggest something? I hope its ok. Our beloved Lord is like a gentleman, He doesnt force him self into people’s life but the devil does. You have just a small crack open, he forces himself in. So in charity i invite you to pray the rosary for 100 days for your sins that offend God, the ones you are aware of or not. Before you start go to confession. Then detach yourself from anyone or anything that hurt your relationship with God. The Lord loves you. He hasnt given up on you.
“…We already know where you stand on those issues, its now up to many to continue praying for your conversion and you pray for us, as this humbles us.”
How does this humble us?
I find it very interesting the humbling toward homosexual activists and yet the complete lack of humility and understanding toward the likemindedness of others who, according to the very humble poster, are branded as being against the ‘Church’ specifically because they are against the policies and practices of those men who are admittedly bad/heterodox shepherds. And oh, the lectures that ensue.
I think the hiatus has lent itself to memory lapse.
Ann Malley, which shepherds have admitted to being bad or heterodox? You don’t really seem to have any grasp of orthodoxy or heterodoxy, or even what it means to admit something.
Anonymous, certain posters have admitted that not all shepherds are good or orthodox. If you take issue with that, you may want to chat with them.
“… some here who are against the church in other ways and distort it because of the sins of men who lead it.”
The ‘sins’ of the men who lead the Church effect the Church and us sheep. That said, admitting one’s own vulnerability, that is claiming to uphold the Traditional teachings of the Church and being honest, also leads to being picked on ….. just read CCD and the posts that one moment are chastising YFC for promoting sodomy marriage only to draw back and apologize and castigate others. That’s more being bipolar, than faithful …. or honest.
HETERODOX – let’s start with Cardinal Donald Wuerl who states it is not Doctrine but merely Pastoral to give holy Communion to those who wish to continue in the state of Mortal sin.
He conveniently forgets about Doctrine of the Faith – – –
1 Cor 11:27-30;
Sacrilege (CCC 2120); Scandal (CCC 2284, 2285, 2286); Responsibility for the sins of others (CCC 1868), etc.;
and Code of Canon Law 915 which is not Doctrine but Church law.
(In Wuerl’s own words: https://cmtvnews.com/2014/10/28/the-vortex-plotting-revolution/
HETERODOX – Abp Blasé Cupich who was appointed to Chicago thanks to the recommendation of Wuerl and believes as Wuerl.
In addition will not allow his Priests to pray outside of abortion clinics to save lives, but meets with Obama in support of ILLEGAL immigrants.
HETERODOX – Kasper; Danneels; Forte, and others.
Ann Malley, the word you are looking for seems to be “arguably”, not “admittedly”. Unless a Bishop himself admits to heterodoxy, they are not “admittedly” heterodox. An arian Bishop, for example would be arguably heterodox. (In fact, as I’m sure you would agree, he would be actually heterodox). But he would not “admit” to being heterodox. He would admit to being orthodox. If you are heterodox, but think you are orthodox, a third party cannot say you are “admittedly heterodox”. You would, instead, be “arguably heterodox”. Get it???
By the way, Ann Malley, “effect” is a noun. You used it as a verb. Do you admit that you could use some lessons in grammar?
Anonymous asks, “Ann Malley, which shepherds have admitted to being bad or heterodox? ” = As if anonymous doesn’t already know..
Taken from Catholic Culture.Org
+ “When the late Archbishop Fulton Sheen would encounter an ex-Catholic who bragged that he had left the Church, the archbishop would bluntly respond, “Oh, what was your sin?”
Today, we have the spectacle of the former archbishop of Milwaukee, Rembert Weakland, OSB, proudly bragging about his sin, recalling his past sexual affairs with other men and objecting to the Church’s teaching that homosexuality “is objectively disordered.”
“Those are bad words because they are pejorative,” he told The New York Times’ Laurie Goodstein in an interview heralding the May 29 release of his autobiography.
Weakland’s public proclamation that he is a “gay” American and the attention he is drawing to himself with his new narcissistic, tell-all book, A Pilgrim in A Pilgrim Church, one Milwaukee Catholic told The Wanderer, “is opening a can of worms. Even worse, it is like he is ripping off all the scabs from the still-festering wounds he left in this archdiocese.”
A public proclamation by a Bishop is that he is gay, or that he has had illicit affairs, is not a proclamation that he is heterodox. If he admits to being gay, he admits to being human. If he admits to being or having been in a relationship, he admits to being sinful. Neither of these is heterodoxy. Please understand the difference.
MAX you completely misstate what Cardinal Wuerl said.
Catherine, you quote Sheen speaking of people who had left the Church, and by the way, he spoke DECADES AGO. The question remains, as I stated earlier, which current Bishops of the Roman Church ADMIT to being HETERODOX? Don’t quote Sheen, who may have an opinion but we can’t hear it now that he has passed, don’t cite Weakland, who is not a Bishop with any jurisdiction. Who EXACTLY do you accuse of admitting to being heterodox, or otherwise are heterodox. Which Bishops of the Church Admit to being heterodox?
Mous, the posters were ‘admitting’ that there are troubles with shepherds. I understand your obsession is to undermine whatever I post, but slow down and read for content. The idea is that there are leaders in the Church that are bad (interpret that as you will.) So therefore there is an admission by certain posters who ‘admit’ that there are bad apples in the hierarchy.
I’m not sure what you efforts are here, to promote the good or to promote making that which is bad appear good, but God bless you anyway. Even your agitation bears fruit for it gets others to have to defend, correct, and think. So thank you for having such a stimulating effect on CCD. ( Did I use it right? )
Anonymous: You know you have failed miserably when you criticize someone for using the wrong grammar. If that is the best you can do to support your posts here, then you have NO credibility whatsoever! Whatch out CCD posters! The grammar police officers are lurking on this website!
Mous, you have failed miserably yet again. Nobody but you has said that a Bishop admitted he was/is heterodox. It is the fruit of his actions that proves him to be heterodox. Much like your fruits prove that you are not enamored of the Catholic Faith, but rather the novelty of believing men can change it – much like leaders of old believed they could kill the Truth by crucifying Him.
Say what you mean and mean what you say folks. If you all are going to harrass endlessly the vatican and condemn it for whether it includes in its Synod writeups certain words about sin and salvation and manwoman marraige and intrinsic evils and all the like, don’t then go ask for tolerance when you go saying things that don’t even make sense in English. You cannot admit something that someone else does. You cannot effect something. You cannot just go around stringing words together in the hopes that people will figure out what you are trying to say.
Anonymous: I hate to point this out, but in your post Dec.3 at 2:52 you spelled the word marriage wrong! Oh no! You were busted by the same police that busted Ann Malley! I have to ask you if you admit that you could use some lessons in spelling? Just sayin! Watch what you condemn in other posts because, well, karma!
Good to see you, RR. I hope you’re getting on well.
As for the grammar police, that’s all they’ve got. Don’t go too hard :)
No doubt I cood use some lessons in spelling. At least I admit my faults.
Of course, a humble person thanks a person who corrects their grammar or spelling.
Ann Malley: It has been rough going. Thanksgiving was very, very difficult for me. Christmas will be dificult also. I miss my parents terribly. It is only through prayer and my faith that I am getting through this year. My parents gave me my faith and I truly thank them for this gift. Concerning the grammar police-LOL. I hate it when people resort to grammar errors, punctuation, or spelling errors of others. We ALL have done them. I just had to point it out to show how ridiculous it is to do this. Trust me when I say I have retired from the grammar and spelling police force. I just had to call him out.
“I find it very interesting the humbling toward homosexual activists and yet the complete lack of humility and understanding toward the likemindedness of others who, according to the very humble poster, are branded as being against the ‘Church’ specifically because they are against the policies and practices of those men who are admittedly bad/heterodox shepherds.”
I find it interesting too. Something pretty fishy is going on and it doesn’t smell like roses. Thank you for pointing this out.
Stop being mean to abeca. You know she is the favorite poster of most of the other readers. You sure are being snarky to someone you used to call your ‘sweet sister in Christ”.
It smells a lot like the Protestant notion that grace is really just a blanket that covers our dung, but negates the reality that grace, when corresponded to, has the power to actually transform the dung – that is ‘us’.
In light of all the anti-homosexuality lectures pursued by some, their sudden shift into let’s-be-nice and teach the rosary even on the same posting thread is enough to make one’s head spin. And it is precisely that bi-polar inconsistency that works against true evangelization. For people can smell rats and spot hypocrisy…. no matter whether there’s the ‘scent’ of roses or fresh linen or vanilla bean being sprayed over the whole mess or not.
Ann, I wouldn’t go on and on about smelling rats if i were you.
Ann Malley and Catherine, your baser evil instincts are getting the better of you. You are not only making fools of yourself and revealing how little grace you have, but you are offending God and His Mother. Please pray if you are still able to for the grace of humility. A gift to one is a gift to all.
Abeca, YFC supports homosexual acts (marriage).
He must take the log out of his own eye prior to taking the splinter out of anyone else’s – per Jesus.
We should never encourage anyone to post (TEACH) on a Catholic web site who’s sight is blinded by his own obstinate mortal sin and heresy.
Much of what YFC writes supports mortal sin including his support for Bishops of his like mind.
He twists the truth.
Posting is a form of TEACHING.
I would not want YFC to teach any of my loved ones.
He believes that love is sex, not helping others get to Heaven.
Maria dont worry i wasnt encouraging him in his error. He knows very well where i stand on moral issues. So i agree with what you are concerned with. Thanks for your comments.
Abeca, when posting in media, you must also be concerned with all others whom your posts affect, not just YFC.
Just because YFC knows where you stand on a specific issue, others, especially those who only visit a site infrequently, may not.
We affect many people by our posts.
That is why YFC bothers to post on a Catholic web site – to try to gain more disciples for sodomy and homosexual marriage. And that is why his posts support those who lean toward his sexual positions in other matters not relating to sex as well.
Abeca to YFC: YFC same sex marriage is sodomy marriage. Now that you know…..please stop promoting it. Thanks (Right on Abeca!)
Followed by: “Wayne everyone points fingers at YFC (often times rightly so) yet forget to look within themselves and their own flaws. People are willing to pick on the weak guy who admits his down fall and admits he is for those types of sins” (Looks like you are the guilty party Abeca for what you just said above… but I notice you didn’t mention yourself, just the ambiguous ‘everybody’)
Followed by Abeca to YFC: You have just a small crack open… (in reference to Satan and the sin of sodomy and promoting as such for others)
Followed by Abeca to Maria: … ladies who support schismatics (Abeca is now judging one who has honestly said she attends the SSPX, something faithful Catholics are allowed to do. Abeca has determined one to be a heretic and schismatic when the Catholic Church Herself has not tendered such a decree.)
Followed by Abeca to YFC: … Do you know about the Rosary (I’d say, Abeca, do you know who you are dealing with and what you are about? An open homosexual activist is not a child to be schooled by means of sugar treats. And schismatic and heretic are heft charges… think about before you level it.)
Wayne everyone points fingers at YFC (often times rightly so) yet forget to look within themselves and their own flaws. People are willing to pick on the weak guy who admits his down fall and admits he is for those types of sins. His sin is his activism. Deception that he likes to share but notice the pattern of the ones who lecture of him as well. But you have some here who are against the church in other ways and distort it because of the sins of men who lead it. while they continue in their own errors themselves. Its nothing new. I don’t condone YFC for his continued error in regards to homosexual sins(for he will have to answer to God for that direct attack against the natural law) but notice that the ones who keep lecturing at him, have their own sins that they display very well on here. Such hypocrisy.
No Abeca, YFC’s sin is SODOMY, and his promotion of Same Sex Marriage.
Activism is not a sin in itself.
As we know homosexual marriage is one of the 6 INTRINSIC EVILs.
I would hope that most of the posters on this site, are not in the state of un-repented mortal sin, as is YFC.
Apparently Abecca, you know more about most posters than the rest of us. You need to think about this before you accuse people.
Abecca, please read the following:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
St Paul – 1 Cor 11:27-30 about condemnation for receiving Holy Communion unworthily.
Also: CCC: 2357, 2358, 2359, 2396.
YFC has clearly attacked Cardinal Burke, yet supports Bishops and others who appear to lean toward the normalizing of homosexual acts.
Al your new. So i dont blame you. But your preaching to the choir. JLS once said that people prejudge before they fully read all the responses or they dont take the time to know the facts. Plus you maybe a victim of the power of suggestion which could be used for evil like some of the ladies here do to slander me. God bless you as you uncover the truth.
Abeca, do not presume about other people.
Some may not understand your defense of him based upon your recent posts.
And if you add to confusion in the media, you commit the mortal sin of Scandal.
No one should listen to YFC, in any matter of Faith until and unless he repents and corrects his public committed sins in the media.
Both Sacred Scripture and the CCC Doctrine of the Faith have been explained to YFC by many. (You may or may not know this.)
He already knows what the Church teaches and does not care.
Do not play into his agenda of spreading confusion – sometimes being wrong, sometimes being right leading the un-catechised into sin.
The devil mixes fact with fiction.
YFC has told all of us himself about his support for the Mortal sin of homosexual acts, homosexual marriage, providing children to homosexuals through adoption, etc.
Abeca, YFC has also supported giving Holy Communion to those in Mortal Sin, because it supports his personal agenda.
(The topic was those in mortal sin by choosing to continue committing adultery with the valid spouse of another.)
YFC has also attacked Cardinal Burke, because that suits his agenda as well.
Remember, that there is no such thing as a personal conversation while blogging. We all affect many including the uncatechized by our posts.
Abeca, you slander yourself and others.
“Al your new so I don’t blame you. But your preaching to the choir.”
Abeca, What do you mean that you don’t blame Al? You need to uncover the truth about your own pridefully misleading post to YFC that called him like minded in Catholic reasoning. The choir would NEVER preach that YFC’s rabid homosexual activism is like minded in Catholic reasoning. There is no twisting of words. Those were your words and they are misleading. Also, how do you know if Al is new? Perhaps Al has been a silent reader of CCD for a long time. You decided to bring up JLS and here is one of his posts that certainly uncovered the truth. Thanks for the assistance in teamwork. JLS could discern the reason why we now have a poster named ‘anonymous’ who IS ardently supporting your calling YFC like minded in Catholic reasoning. Not a good sign.
Taken from CCD’s May 7, 2012 Change afoot at Most Holy Redeemer
Posted Friday, May 11, 2012 11:54 PM By JLS
k seems to do one of those lulling into confidence acts for a few weeks and then throws a few zingers into the threads, such explained by Catherine. It is almost as if k were several people with a mission of dissent. I used to see k as someone who was developing their faith, but the pattern she exhibits is too consistent and entrenched.
I used to have a dog that would take a poor innocent doll and thrash it about in its teeth. The doll did nothing to the dog. ,Yet the dog would have this evil look in his eye, sort of as though he thought the doll was an enemy and he was going to get the best of the doll that, after all, had just been their at the wrong time. You could not get that dog to let go of that doll for anything. Take it away physically? Not a chance. Distract it with food? Nice try…he’d drop the doll for a moment, but as soon as he realized the food would be waiting for him, he’d pick up the doll all over again and thrash around as though he’d never stopped. The dog was absolutely possessed by some irrational desire to really get the best out of that doll. When the dog finally got tired, we hid the doll away in a closet. But about a year later, that darned dog found the doll and started thrashing all over again. I suspect we could hide that doll a thousand times, and that dog would dig out the doll and it would become possessed all over again.
“I used to have a dog that would take a poor innocent doll and thrash it about in its teeth.”
Emptying seminaries, read Michael Rose’s book Goodbye Good Men, the John Jay Report which states that 81% of the sex abuse was committed by homosexuals, the dismantling of Catholic Church teaching, the churches wreckovated and the altars being sacked, the recent Synod seeking to introduce “those gifts” and now the resident homosexual activist bully who calls himself YFC claims innocence. Perhaps the doll that kept getting thrashed was a Chatty Cathy same sex activist doll and that smart dog knew how to shut Chatty Cathy down each time the doll said, “Hi my name is Your Fellow Catholic and I am promoting the homosexual agenda.”
“… But you have some here who are against the church in other ways and distort it because of the sins of men who lead it. while they continue in their own errors themselves.”
You also have those who, through nothing but pride and an intense desire to portray others as they seem them instead of as they really are, who insist that those who are against the sins of men who lead the Church (The very same that are responsible for vast amounts of Catholics not knowing what the Church truly teaches) as being against the Church.
Such absurd ignorance and blindness. That is blind leading the *willfully* blind.
Our Lord refused to jump off the cliff at Satan’s bidding even though He knew the angels would come to His aid. Our Lord demonstrated an unwillingness to tempt God. So trusting in God to protect the Church is absolutely necessary, but we also must WORK to protect the Church for that is why God made is men and women with intellects. It is also why He bid is to watch and interpret the signs of the times.
Such rank hypocrisy and lack of humility is the biggest turnoff to true evangelization.
Ann Malley, you don’t seek to protect the Church, you seek to destroy it. You promote Bishops not ordained with Rome’s approval, and you twist and turn the heretical beliefs of SSPX and its founder into things that may seem utterly unobjectionable but in reality eat away at the heart of a Church that claims its catholicity via communion with the Roman Pontiff.
If such were the case with regard to the SSPX, YFC, you should be pleased as your posts with regard to the actual Faith do not speak of upholding Truth, but destroying it or twisting toward a complete 180 of what actually is.
But I’ll say it again. Your derision is a compliment, Sir, and the surest sign that those things I relate smack of at least some portion of the Truth for otherwise you wouldn’t be so shaken. Thank you for your continued affirmations of being where I should be. The additional outcry of useful idiots that treat you as a preschooler who doesn’t even know about the Rosary is similarly a sure sign. God continue to bless the SSPX and ALL those pursuing the full deposit of the Faith and holy tradition… even those in the Novus Ordo.
That said, Catholicity doesn’t only come with union with the Pope, YFC. For the ‘Church’ has survived despite bad pontiffs, periods of time where there were 3 claimants to the Papacy, and myriad heresies, such as this modernist heresy of rampant syncretism that we are experiencing today. If you were a Catholic who actually strove to understand what Catholic ‘is’ instead of just hopping on the progressive what Catholic ‘can be’ or ‘should be’ in the future as promoted by the likes of Cardinal Kasper then perhaps we could engage in some form of actual ‘Catholic’ discussion. But yours appears to be a choosing of political party, not a living of the Faith.
“Catholicity doesn’t only come with union with the Pope”?
Um, yes, it does, by definition.
Will you quit just making stuff up!
Even the Baptists can get that right!
Then I suppose the ‘Catholic’ church disappeared during the time when there were 3 popes and especially during the time when there were bad popes…. And hey, mous, when the Pope dies and the seat is vacant, by your limited scope of what constitutes being Catholic, the Church ceases to exist.
Stop looking to Baptists to teach you what it means to be Catholic, mous. That may be where you are erring. In that and believing that advertised piety and supernatural smells are ‘the’ sign of holiness.
YFC what an accusation coming from a man that promotes sodomy. The very you accuse Ann Malley of wanting to destroy the Church is beyond laughable. You are part the new emerging counterfeit Church that thinks it began after V2 council and everything before is null and void. You have many allies such as so called Cardinals Wuerl, Cuspich, Mahoney and other modernist who are by their actions sewing the seeds of a false Church. This has long been predicted in Catholic prophecy. You worship man, I know of many good and Holy Priests who are kept out of positions of power by these effeminate Cardinals and their gay allies. Why because they fear authentic masculinity that leads men to make sacrifices not self indulgence.
“…because they fear authentic masculinity that leads men to make sacrifices not self indulgence.”
God bless you Canisius for speaking clearly and truthfully for what you point to here is not only what is feared within Church leadership, but the leadership of our country. Convincing men that they are inherently incapable of overcoming themselves even by way of using God’s grace is precisely how to bring men down. Like the elephant tied to the tent peg who perceives itself to be bound and incapable when, in truth, it has the God given capacity to break free and be that which God has called it to be, a magnificent creation and not a sideshow curiosity.
God help all those who facilitate such emasculation and who watch, eating popcorn and enjoying the show, because they believe that enjoying the circus is the point of the test instead of fighting for that which they ‘see’ is right.
Canisius, you know that some of the prayers in the Novus Ordo are older than those of the TLM, right?
Do not make wild statements without proof, Anonymous.
You make too many errors to be believable without official documentation.
So give us your proof and be very SPECIFIC.
Max, Anon has no proof, he/she/it likes to provoke…that’s all
I was thinking of some of the prayes from the 6th century, however both forms have prayers that are from the 1st century.
MAX, Anon, and Canisius: Here is an excellent analysis of the history and structure of the Second Eucharistic Prayer, which is derived from the Canon of St. Hyppolytus, which comes from the third century and therefore at least in it’s written form, it predates the Roman Canon. https://www.arcaneknowledge.org/catholic/hippolytus.htm
Anon: I don’t really care… I never claimed the NO was invalid or anything like that. I just do not like it, the same way the good tolerant liberals detest the TLM. How’s that ?
Canisius, thank you.
Canisius, you have said what so many others should say: they just don’t like the NO. But, I think you give the liberals too much credit for intolerance. Most “liberals” I know don’t even know that there is such a thing as a TLM, so I don’t think they detest it. It is good to remember that anyone born after 1970 has likely never seen a TLM, or know anything about it.Someone born in 1970 would be near middle age by now and only knows the NO as the liturgy of the Catholic Church. Most schools stopped teaching Latin in the 70-80s, so people don’t know much about that either. I’m not sure but that a couple of generations of Priest went through the seminary without learning Latin, and have never seen a TLM.
Bob One, your points, reset my case…Liberals have done such a great job of destroying Tradition that a lot of people don’t even know that the TLM exists
Ann Malley you clearly do not understand what it means to be admonished, to be catholic, to be in communion with Rome, or what Tradition means. There isn’t even such a thing as being “in” the NO. I know a lot more about Catholicism than you think I do, but in order to justify your schism you have to belittle me (and those you call idiots) to feel better about yourself. If you think your attitude towards other people is making the unevangelized seek a home in the Church, you might want to think again.
YFC, you do know quite a bit about Catholicism then. Okay. Then you are intentionally seeking to infiltrate and destroy. Thanks again for the confirmation. And for confirming that those who support you in this effort are little more than useful idiots…something you seem to enjoy cultivating by feigning ignorance and/or victimhood when it suits. Much like those who call you out in one post for promoting sodomy marriage in very bold terns only to back pedal into poor, misunderstood humble me in the next without noticing their own contribution to confusion.
Thank you for your clarity.
YFC your cooments from 12/3 at 139pm. Now that you can reason on that and embrace those facts, i invite you to please fully embrace the church and work on rejecting all sin. It will be a long path but worth the precious graces from our Lord. Even if you struggle with homosexual views you are better suited to remove your self from promoting them. Its not good to lead people astray because you struggle. Many here are all sinners too but some are not encouraging people to embrace sin. You know all this, its been told to you just like we have said it to other homosexual activists that come here. In charity im asking you again. If i stop, its not that ive given up on you nor am i condoning your behaviors but its because im following the advice of good council but im also praying for you. God help us all.
“nor am i condoning your behaviors” = Abeca YOU are the one who called YFC like minded fully knowing that he is viciously attacking the Church’s teachings on many issues. I see that you are still trying to back pedal on your previous post. Calling a person (who is currently undermining Catholic Church Teaching like minded) IS condoning behaviors. Several posters have tried to charitably tell you and you continue to ignore that specific blunder. Retract your ill fated statement that YFC is like minded in Catholic reasoning because that is a lie. He does not even accept the teachings in Sacred Scripture. A good mother would never condone even a little dab of poison being placed into a sandwich and then ask her children to swallow it because their were other untainted ingredients wrapped around the deadly poison. That is what you did.
CCC: ” 2089
INCREDULITY is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
HERESY is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
APOSTACY is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;
SCHISM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
YFC is a heretic, and could be a schismatic. They are not necessarily the same.
Pope Francis has not put out anything official which has to do with Faith and Morals in the form of a Motu Proprio or Apostolic Constitution yet. (Just to do with the Vatican bank which does not directly affect us.)
Maria yes he is a heretic but before you go on the obvious how about the ladies who support schismatics. Before you post find out the facts. You have two bad willed ladies here who pride themselves in their self righteousness. Prideful people always have an interpretation, leading to their interpretation. Many are guilty of false witness. I dont care to respond to people who are unreasonable and display uncharitable behavior. The ladies who spend a lot of time falsely interpreting the actions of Catholics of good will are a disgrace. They are not good Catholics either. Their shameful behavior is a wall between others and God. I have never encountered Catholics with such bad behavior as theirs as i have here.
The stone-walled unwillingness to look at one’s own personal bias in courting YFC is a disgrace, Abeca. With regard to bad behavior, you encounter yourself daily so you need to step back and think a bit before you spread rancor under the auspices of that which is ‘Catholics of good will.’ You once accused me of thinking myself to be a reader of hearts and yet that is precisely what you do – with your posts, Abeca, your words.
No Ann Malley you are the one who keeps looking for my posts and molesting them with your interpretation and twisting, so its easy to see where your pride is misleading you. I hope you are having a good time. There is nothing I can do for you, but glad that my comments grab your attention.
Abeca Christian, I am sorry that you are being treated so badly. I do not know what to say to make it stop.
All this cyber bullying just because Abeca once showed a kind word for me on this website. They have been constant, abusive, and certainly unChristian.
Remember the Website YFC Meets Abeca Christian.
There is a big difference in showing a kind word vs. calling a homosexual cyber bully’s views like minded in reasoning and then encouraging him to bully on a faithful Catholic website while he is attacking Church teaching. “YFC even though you error in homosexual views, you can reason in other areas of the faith. Its good that you can share your views that are like minded with Catholicism. *We should encourage that*, so my apologies if often at times, your homosexuality is thrown at you when it does not apply.”
Pope John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter, “Parati Semper” “There is no need to be afraid to call the first agent of evil by his name. The Evil One. The strategy which he used and continues to use is that of not revealing himself, so that the evil implanted by him from the beginning may receive it’s development from man itself, from systems and from relationships between individuals, from classes and nations — – so as also to become ever more ‘structural sin’, ever less identifiable as ‘personal sin’. In other words, so that man may truly feel in a certain sense ‘freed’ from sin but at the same time ever more immersed in it.”
Again, Abeca, disregarding the reality that, at the very least, it takes two to tango. But blindness while dancing leads to tripping over one’s own feet. With regard to your comments being ‘attention’ getting, it would appear that attention is what you seek and not promotion of the Faith – otherwise you would be concerned that your flip flopping, the very same you refuse to read in black and white, is leading those to mistrust what YOU misrepresent.
Prophecy of Jeremiah 1 “Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord.  Therefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel to the pastors that feed my people: You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you for the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.” = Abeca can show patience love and kindness to a homosexual activist who is actively working to dismantle Catholic Church teaching, persecute Christian homeschool families, and destroy the Traditional Family in society.
Abeca for several years you have charitably supported the posts of Kenneth Fisher. You consistently called him a gentleman which is very true. Kenneth Fisher loves the Church and has added much to this forum. Kenneth and Ann Malley both visit this website. Were you supporting schism when you consistently showed support and charity to Kenneth Fisher’s posts? Should I copy your posts to refresh your memory.
Abeca you have caught yourself in quite a conundrum of bipolar flip flops and inconsistencies. Re-read the above Scripture and if you believe it then pull your selectively vicious teeth out of the haunches of people who have the incredible ability to shut down your self centered drama. This is not about you. Show the same charity that you show to someone who embraces deviancy .
No you are just arguing for the sake are arguing Catherine. Your on a witch hunt…..God forgive you for your twisting. I refuse to entertain your false interpretations once again. Sorry Mr. Fisher for this bad behavior that just keep on going. I won’t answer to her comment, out of respect for all the pro-life work you have done. And you have never disrespected me nor have you mocked my words, or twisted my good intentions nor have you bear false witness against me like these two ladies have and continue doing. So her arguments are all irrelevant and they prove nothing but only show that they elevate their interpretations above all, its their pride, they have an assumption for everything, an opinion about everything and everyone….they are not good Catholic women, they stand between God and salvation of others. They care only for their opinion only. If its about salvation, then why do they lack charity and bear false witness against the mission of the church and others who are trying to save souls. God help them more.
“…And you have never disrespected me nor have you mocked my words, or twisted my good intentions nor have you bear false witness against me like these two ladies have and continue doing.”
Again, you base your position with Mr. Fisher on his never disrespecting YOU, Abeca. Yet you are the very one who began disrespecting those who support the SSPX. You began by asking me my position which I rendered to you in all honesty back in March. You then accused me of ‘making up’ stories about the Church – the very same stories you seem to be fine with hearing from CMTV. You then admitted that your having previously called me such a great speaker and inviting me to your house for tea were merely ploys of reverse psychology. You then intimated that ‘I’ was going to hunt you down on CCD. And yet you drop these ‘hints’ about ‘Traditional’ ladies that are to be distrusted. Abeca, you fight dirty, and against those who should be your closest allies. You are not the only one with the mission to try and save souls, friend.
“….they are not good Catholic women, they stand between God and salvation of others.” (Just because we do not back YOU in your position of attacking some, but not others.
May you soon be reconciled with the Church.
Be careful Ann Malley regarding the SSPX.
This quote is the latest from the Vatican web site regarding SSPX.
” This disciplinary level needs to be distinguished from the doctrinal level. The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons.
As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church.
There needs to be a distinction, then, between the disciplinary level, which deals with individuals as such, and the doctrinal level, at which ministry and institution are involved.
In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church,
and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. ”
Thanks for the heads-up, Peter! It’s appreciated.
Abeca Christian, Posting that YFC (a rabid homosexual activist) is like minded in his Catholic reasoning in NOT the mission of the Church.
Abeca Christian never supported Kenneth Fisher’s attendance at an independent parish.
Rick Warren shares the vast majority of his wealth in his mission work. He’s a witness to Christ’s mercy. Like the late Charles Swindoll, he’s a good friend to the Catholic Church. He’s a vital and masculine voice in this emasculated world. This sort of coming together of those who seek good in the world must cause a pang to those who seek weakness and chinks in our armor. In a war against evil we need all the allies we can get.
This is what Cardinal Wuerl said – see this short video which includes Wuerl speaking for himself.
The Vortex: Plotting Revolution Oct 28, 2014
Providing Holy Communion to anyone publically known to be obstinate in the state of Mortal Sin violates the DOCTRINE of the FAITH.
Wuerl states it is not Doctrine therefore is a heretic in this particular matter.
Wuerl does not have the authority to change any Scriptural or Church teaching.
Sacred Scripture is the speech of God in its ENTIRETY (CCC 81);
The “Catechism of the Catholic Church” contains the Doctrine of the Faith.
1 Cor 11:26-30 – Wuerl denies Sacred Scripture.
Wuerl aids and abets in the mortal sins of Sacrilege and Scandal which are also defined in the CCC.
It is not charitable, merciful, or pastoral to condone or affirm anyone in the state of Mortal Sin.
Further, one can not receive GRACE while in the State of Mortal Sin, ( CCC: 1861)
Those in the STATE of MORTAL SIN do NOT receive GRACE until they Repent.
CCC: ” 1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace.
If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell,
for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. ….”
IGNORANCE of MORTAL SIN is NOT always an excuse.
CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility.
This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.”
In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”
(There is no excuse for Catholics to be lazy and not read the Bible and CCC in entirety unless they have never heard of their existence. Sloth (laziness) is a capital sin.
And at each of our particular judgment, no one will be able to fool Jesus.
It could go like this –
Person: I didn’t know that was a sin.
Jesus: Why didn’t you take the time to read Holy Scripture and the CCC in entirety? I gave you the gift of literacy. If you had read these two most important books from the Magisterium of My Church, you would know that was a sin.
All persons must be responsible for their own actions, both commission and omission. And for all of their actions that affect others.)
Few will get to Heaven – Jesus
– Mt 7:13-14; Lk 13:22:28.
The type of comments made on this thread is what drives people from the Church founded by Christ because they are so un-Christ like. How can good people, who seem to love the Church be so mean and judgmental about about other people, even those with whom they disagree. Let’s start this way: 1) you are born and, if lucky, get some moral teachings as you grow up, but you still don’t know the entire deposit of faith. As you mature you learn more if you are lucky, but still don’t know the entire deposit of faith. If you are lucky, before you die someone introduces you to the Catechism, and you read it. Now you have to go through and thinks about each section. What does it mean, how does that apply in your life, I didn’t know that, gee I better go to a Bible study program at my church some night. Maybe you could join a small faith sharing group. Whatever. The point is that not everyone is born with the teachings of the Church built in. You have to download those apps. You have to practice the teachings. We become worthy of heaven over time, not all at once. It take time, patience, introspection, being in a community of believers, active in church programs, etc. Just because someone doesn’t believe what the book says is an indication that they haven’t reached that point on their journey to Christ.
Its about saving souls. The church and faith is not based on what Catherine or Ann Malley percieve or interpret or say about their sentiments or how they feel about me over these posts. Their mocking of my love of faith is sinful. But it has always been about obtaining sanctifying grace and self disciple. All which require true charity, love. Pray the rosary. Return to God. We are all sinners, no better than our fallen brothers and sisters. Read the good news of the CCC, holy scriptures and learn from the saints. Pax Christi
Abeca, your mocking and presumptuous assertions regarding what others are about is sinful. Your dismissal of your own accountability for attacking and baiting others is similarly sinful. So yes, we are all sinners. We should pray the Rosary. But please, stop playing the victim with those you yourself have manipulated and used and maligned…. the very same you continue to malign.
CCC: ” 868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
– by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
– by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
– by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
– by protecting evil-doers.
CCC: ” 2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter.
He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death.
Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense. ”
It is a grave Scandal for YFC (and a few others) to promote mortal sin on a media web site.
It is a mortal sin for anyone to encourage him, because of all others who read his posts and may become confused. (He is not “Your Fellow Catholic” in reality.)
Do not try to save an uninterested soul who is determined to stay in the state of Mortal sin, and thereby causes scandal to many others.
Be careful of SCANDAL, Abeca. You may not have thought about this.
Many posters have tried to educate and help YFC to no avail. It is his choice. Protect others from him.
Al in charity no one is denying what YFC does here. We have admonished him over an over. Still are sorry that you are mislead by thinking ill of my charity here. God bless you all the same.
“…Still are sorry that you are mislead by thinking ill of my charity here.”
Nobody is being misled, Abeca, but responding to what is written. Please, stop your accusations against others for what you write. That is dishonest and uncharitable in the extreme.
YFC and others have succeeded in undermining your focus on the Faith, fracturing it so that you will believe others, who are on the same side, are your enemies. That is a tactic of evil, Abeca, as you well know. Please, look to what you have learned on CMTV to be truthful exposition of what is rotting our beloved Church and seek allies to fight the good fight – for FAITH, not the mess that was this October Synod on the ‘family’