The following comes from a February 28 release from the Field Poll.
By a nearly two-to-one margin (61% to 32%), California voters approve of allowing same-sex couples to marry. This represents a complete reversal in views about the issue from 1977, when The Field Poll conducted its first survey on this topic and is the highest level of support ever measured by the poll.
Approval of allowing marriage between two people of the same gender includes majorities of men and women, voters in all racial and ethnic groups, and Californians living in each of the major regions of the state. The only subgroups where majorities remain opposed are registered Republicans and voters who classify themselves as conservative in politics.
Six in ten voters (60%) also attach importance to the U.S. Supreme Court’s upcoming ruling about the constitutionality of California’s Proposition 8,the voter-approved initiative banning same-sex marriage in the state. Supporters of same-sex marriage are nearly twice as likely as opponents to say the ruling is important to them.
These are the findings from the latest Field Poll completed earlier this month updating California voter opinions about same-sex marriage and Proposition 8.
Thirty-six year trend in California voter views about same-sex marriage
There has been a complete turn-around during the past thirty-six years regarding how California voters feel about allowing same-sex couples to marry and have regular marriage laws apply to them.
In 1977 the Field Poll found 28% approving and 59% disapproving of same-sex marriages. In nine periodic surveys taken between that time and 2012, there was a steady increase in support for allowing same-sex couples to marry. The latest survey shows 61% of voters approving and 32% disapproving, a record high level of support.
To read the entire story in the Sacramento Bee, click here.
Before anyone gets carried away with this story, the Field Poll needs to be investigated. Who/what is the Field Poll? Who do they represent i.e. who are the sponsor(s), and what type of people are the pollsters? Where did the residents live that were polled? Who did they poll? How did the pollsters conduct the poll? How did they select those that were polled? What were all the questions that led the surveyors, analysts, and editors to come to this conclusion? If the answers were disfavorable to the Field Poll staff were the answers thrown out or played-down? If these and many more answers come forth and many more answers to questions you may come up with, one might learn very quickly the credibility of the Field Poll and find it is completely deceiving and worthless. I believe that CA is sinking into decadence in the big cities like San Francisco and LA because of their loss in the Christian faith, but not at the alarming and misleading rate told in the story above. Proposition 8 was voted on in 2008? The end results were overwhelming against gay marriage by nearly 75% of the CA voters back then. People with strong opinions on morals and values aren’t as fickle as this story tries to portray. Bottom-line is for us not to panic and get carried away as there is a terrible widespread deception going on in this country by a small minority of behaviorally immoral people and naive sympathizers out to force acceptance upon heterosexuals the homosexual lifestyles. It is going on everywhere, most poisonously in our elementary, intermediate, highschools, and colleges to gain acceptance. The devil is behind it all, and that is the reason it is making such progress. It is a behavioral disorder that doesn’t follow God’s natural law. Check out St Paul’s Epistle if you aren’t a believer. We do have to stand up and resist the onslaught of these lies, not being fearful of those who threaten our morally correct, politically incorrect positions. We are on this earth as a test, to please God and reach our eternal heavenly reward, not to please sinful man that cares nothing of pleasing God, only themselves, at any cost, even eternity in hell. Pray for this madness to end this Lenten season with much sacrifice and prayer, remember our Lord said that their are some demons that prayer in itself is not enough to overcome, only through fasting too! May God bless everyone to see and accept His holy Truth, not defy God and lead others into eternal damnation.
Tom B The Field Poll is very well known and the answers to most of your questions are likely found on their website if you care to read the poll release itself.
But your recall of recent history seems lacking. Prop 8 won by 4 points, not by anywhere near the 75%-25% you seem to recall. In fact, the year following Prop 8, Maine voted by nearly the same percentage as California to not allow same sex marriage to go into effect their. Yet this past November, Mainers voted by several percentage points in favor of marriage equality, the first time voters anywhere elected to extend marriage licenses to same sex couples.
Men who sodomize men cannot have a blessed union…indulging in this perversion is mortal sin, and leads straight to perdition…
The state isn’t in the business of blessing unions. It is in the business of issuing marriage licenses.
Big deal…the government allows “abortion on demand”…doesn’t make it right, or Catholic…
Dear Paleobotanist: It is a big deal. Catholic morality ought to demand more of its observers than civil law. But civil law is to be based upon the Constitution, not upon any one set of religious beliefs. There is no contradiction for Catholics who oppose religious marriages blessed by the Church, yet who at the same time believe that the State ought to issue marriage licenses to those of other religious faiths. This notion is foundational to our understanding of the separation of church and state.
Your logic is inside out…the Church recognizes other marriages between men and women of other faiths…they at least are following the natural order of marriage, “between a man and a woman, with procreation as a possibility…homosexual marriage forever interrupts any possibility of procreation, and this depraved lifestyle is condemned by the Sacred Tradition in the Church and in the Holy Scriptures…I don’t feel it is necessary to remind you about the cities of Sodom and Gomoarrah…and why they were destroyed because “all” were “steeped in this perversion, which God forbids!
Paleobotanist, my logic is just fine, thanks. The point is that it does not matter whether the Catholic church or any church recognizes state issued marriage licenses. You imply that civil marriages by non-catholics are valid civil marriages because the Catholic church says they are. Wrong! They are valid civil marriages because the States issue marriage licenses according to their own laws. It is the church who blesses marriages, but it is the state who issues marriage licenses.
No not blessing unions but the state also does not have the right to Re-define what marriage makes! What will stop them from Polygamy or marriage between those wacko’s who want to marry their pets….where is the logic! Or the common sense!
Recall in past history is lacking.
There is nothing new under the sun. Obstinate sinners have a recorded history of ignoring field polls. Here is another field poll that is very well known.
Finding 50 just people and then mercifully reducing those polling numbers down to 10
Genesis Chapter 18 records that the majority polled in Sodom and Gommorah approved of unnatural acts too. Our Lord started with finding 50 just men and then mercifully reduced those polling numbers down to finding 10 just men.
The ten just men could not be found.
The majority were destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah. There is no victory in suffering with the entire majority in Hell for all eternity.
I’m sorry YFC,or should I say not-YFC, this is a Catholic website. Your gay advocacy and comments are better suited for homosexual websites.
BINGO!
I thought facts were pro-Catholic. No?
Catholic Facts from Catholic Answers
The Hell There Is!
The doctrine of hell is so frightening that numerous heretical sects end up denying the reality of an eternal hell. The Unitarian-Universalists, the Seventh-day Adventists, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Christadelphians, the Christian Scientists, the Religious Scientists, the New Agers, and the Mormons—all have rejected or modified the doctrine of hell so radically that it is no longer a serious threat. In recent decades, this decay has even invaded mainstream Evangelicalism, and a number of major Evangelical figures have advocated the view that there is no eternal hell—the wicked will simply be annihilated.
But the eternal nature of hell is stressed in the New Testament. For example, in Mark 9:47–48 Jesus warns us, “[I]t is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” And in Revelation 14:11, we read: “And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
Hell is not just a theoretical possibility. Jesus warns us that real people go there. He says, “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few” (Matt. 7:13–14).
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs” (CCC 1035).
In his 1994 book, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, Pope John Paul II wrote that too often “preachers, catechists, teachers . . . no longer have the courage to preach the threat of hell” (p. 183).
Concerning the reality of hell, the pope says, “In point of fact, the ancient councils rejected the theory . . . according to which the world would be regenerated after destruction, and every creature would be saved; a theory which abolished hell. . . . [T]he words of Christ are unequivocal. In Matthew’s Gospel he speaks clearly of those who will go to eternal punishment (cf. Matt. 25:46). [But] who will these be? The Church has never made any pronouncement in this regard” (pp. 185–6).
Thus the issue that some will go to hell is decided, but the issue of who in particular will go to hell is undecided.
The early Church Fathers were also absolutely firm on the reality of an eternal hell, as the following quotes show.
Ignatius of Antioch
“Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil teaching the faith of God for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him” (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1–2 [A.D. 110]).
I know about none of these except Jehovah’ Witnesses. They do believe in hell. They believe it is for the devil and his hordes. Very few humans will be given life eternal. Those humans who are not given life eternal will cease to be.
gravey you are correct….this is a Catholic Website…dissenters keep forgetting that…they also feel entitlement….they get it in the secular and now they want to also force it down our Catholic website! Geeze…
YFC, are you and your partners married?
Anon it’s not possible…playing and pretending maybe but there is no such thing as calling it a marriage….
I meant partner. I was not being a jerk. I just mis-typed. I understand if you don’t want to answer. I am sure you have regretted giving any personal information due to the harassment of some posters. If you saw my question and just don’t want to answer, post something so I don’t ask you again and again. It is sort of impossible to have a conversation on this website because of the disrespectful posters.
Correction Anon 03/06/13, 10:35 am. This is a Catholic website. FYI: homosexuals cannot marry.
“Right is right even if nobody is right, wrong is wrong even if everybody is wrong!”
We who have been blessed with the fullness of the Truth of Jesus Christ must do and support what is right no matter what.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Our society is becoming increasingly neo-paganistic. A majority of people have lost their fear of God and the judgement. Since they don’t believe in hell or even an afterlife, they believe everyone will go to some spiritual state, reincarnate or cease to exist. Imagine if an abortionist knew that his tortures in the afterlife would be based upon the pain he inflicted on innocents during his lifetime. He would stop immediately but they don’t believe. Same sex marriage, abortion, euthanasia, rampant fornication and acceptable collateral damage in offensive wars are only societal symptoms of an overall moral breakdown of society.
What do you expect when for 36 years:
1) The shamestream media has been the propaganda agency of the homosexual movement.
2) The public schools and colleges have been the indoctrination centers of the homosexual movement.
3) The entertainment industry has been the cheerleading front of the homosexual movement.
And the Catholic Church did nothing to fight this ideological war and refute these lies promoting sodomy and sodomy marriage.
Yup, and people thought they were harmless and people kept saying let’s show them respect and sensitivity…. give me a break. BUT — Folks don’t let this news bring you down or leave you hopeless…. remember that when David knocked down Goliath, he didn’t think he could do it but did. Just because the news reports one thing does not mean we lose hope and give up on hope…. nope not all all.
LET US NOT FORGET THE SENSITIVITY COURSES THAT MANY are having to take in their jobs…..they are forced and pushed upon many…. indoctrination….desensitizing of sin!
“2) The public schools and colleges have been the indoctrination centers of the homosexual movement”: Whew, I’m happy to read that it wasn’t the Catholic schools and colleges.
LOL SKAI you are funny…..I’m sure they played a big role in it too….God help us.
The sodomites and abortionists infiltrated the school systems and produced generations upon generations of homosexualists and abortionists.
It might be too late. The snake is inside the tent. Perhaps the only question of interest is why the emperors fiddled while Rome burned.
We must still have hope…..and act…
Once you embrace artificial birth control you have lost the ability to challenge any other type of sterile sexual activity. You also lose credibility trying to correct fornication, adultery, sodomy, masturbation and other perversions.
Ditto
Catholics must always follow this maxim:” Right is right even if no one is practicing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” This is what is suppposed to seperate Catholics from the rest of the world.
AMEN FATHER KARL! The Truth is something we need to be honest with and embrace for ourselves….DAVID and Goliath…..here we come! DAVID wins…..Goliath does not! Nor will these sodomites! Because Heaven is for eternity and for those who stand by truth…..
Turn away from sin all homosexuals! Choose Christ not your homosexuality!
abeca, you used the s word. You said that you might start using it because you were getting mad about things. You can’t let these things come between you and Jesus. Anger is a deadly sin too.
It will not be long before anyone holding an “anti” homosexual marriage view will be shunned, if not sued (or fired, seen as a KKK person, that sort of thing). This is all thanks to the many many Catholic clergy who are themselves homosexual, and practice it. Homosexuals and their enablers are behind so much of the destruction of the Church since Vatican II. More and more evidence is coming to light regarding the destructive power of this group and of the overwhelming number of Catholic clergy that are homosexuals, or supporters of it. A new pope will need to finish the job of the good Benedict and remove all of them from any dealings with the Church whatsoever. It may not be too late, however, to avoid the political and economic persecutions that will follow.
The backlash would launch in short order if the gays were seen to persecute moral people in such a radical manner.
St. Christopher, yes, many in the Catholic clergy are homosexuals, many priests and even many bishops. This has probably always been the case. We don’t really know though why God has called so many from a group looked down on by some, to spread His word. God loves us all and we are all His children. The gospel message today was about the unconditional love of God. A strong message of God’s love.
Ahh PA always sympathy for those who are destroying the Church from within..There should be no gays in the clergy, to them the priesthood has become a gay career path with lifetime pay and medical benefits. ..Skai I want gay to start with the persecution so they can personally see what they up against with me….
All I can say to that is they didn’t ask me or my husband…..both of us are not for gay marriage…….We will have to reap what we have sown…..
God made woman for man and man for woman…..NO OTHER WAY WORKS to procreate life as we have known it up to today! We are going against our CREATOR if the sacred rite of marriage is changed to include gays and lebians…..It will be a sad day if this happens in the USA.
But at least the majority will rejoice!
In Hell peter…. it goes to show you that not everyone is going to heaven.
Spoken like a true facist.
Maybe the pollsters simply made up the whole thing. Basing one’s mortal choices on hearsay and rumor is not the wise thing to do.
I believe it can also be a propaganda Skai because I don’t recall them asking my family and friends from our church…..it’s probably a select few from San Francisco or Hillcrest area….lol jk jk
Much of this generation does not view sexuality to be a moral issue. Except infidelity or dishonesty or rape. When you study the numbers, the youngest people approve 78%. The older folks at 48%. However, people 65 and older include the Woodstock generation, now. Of course in a sample that could be as small as 415 people, how meaningful that is, is questionable.
Again this gets back to Bishops NOT requiring their Priests, Nuns, Teachers, and all other employees to read and adhere to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition” in full.
And because most do NOT actively encourage the Laity to read the CCC.
Most Catholics do not know their Faith, or the reasons why we believe what we believe, – the answers are in the CCC.
The majority of the CA Bishops who refuse to enforce Canon 915, and Canon 1399 within their own Diocese – whether intended or not – set the example that Christ is not present in the Holy Eucharist and/or that mortal sin does not matter (-ie Sacrilege is not important.)
This sets the stage for RELATIVISM and SECULARISM -which we see throughout our society.
St. Paul said it best in 1 Cor 5:11-13.
Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi – the way you pray, is the way you believe, is the way you live.
of course, who did they ask? I’ve never have been surveyed? When media reports these “findings” about morality, most assuradly it will be the IMMORAL AGENDA speaking!
How could they have missed you? They interviewed a total of 834 registered voters.
Taken from Fr. John Zuhlsdorf’s website:
Sodom and Gomorrah excavated. Guess how they were wiped out.
Posted on 15 December 2011 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf
A reading from the Book of Genesis:
Gen 19: 24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomor’rah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25 and he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. 26 But Lot’s wife behind him looked back, and she became a pillar of salt. 27 And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD; 28 and he looked down toward Sodom and Gomor’rah and toward all the land of the valley, and beheld, and lo, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a furnace.
“A Roman friend and I always chortle over the arrogance of modern scholars who claim that event x or y didn’t occur as reported by ancient historians especially when some story pops up in the mainstream press that evidence confirming x or y has been – shock! – unearthed.”
Here is something for your Just Too Cool file from The Sacred Page:
Sodom and Gomorrah Excavated
By far the most interesting session at the recent Society of Biblical Literature Congress in San Francisco was one I wandered into by chance. I am always curious about what is going on in biblical archeology, so one afternoon I decided to skip the dozen or so sessions dedicated to Bakhtinian Decontextualization of Identity Construction in Persian Yehud (I had to tear myself away) and go hear about the excavations at a certain site called “Tall-el-Hammam.” I had no idea what I was in for. After about five minutes into the session, I realized that the archeological team assigned to this dig was convinced that they had found the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah. After another half-hour, it seemed they had most of the participants convinced as well. The sites fit the geographical and temporal context into which Sodom and Gomorrah are placed in the biblical texts. The cities at the site were suddenly and completely wiped out in the Late Bronze Age, which makes a reasonably good fit with the biblical accounts of Abraham and Lot. The entire presentation was very convincing, but never once did they deal with the “elephant in the room”: what caused the sites to be suddenly abandoned? As soon as the session was over, I was the first to raise my hand. “Did you find any arrow heads? Signs of invasion? What happened to them?” The lead archeologist paused for a moment. “I didn’t want to go there,” he said. Another pause. “I’m preparing material for publication.” Pause. “All I want to say ‘on camera’ is, they appear to have been wiped out in a ‘heat event’.”
A “heat event”!? What?!
“If you want to know more, I’ll talk after the session off the record.”
“I wish I could divulge what he said to a small group of us clustered around the podium after the session was over, but it would break confidence. We’ll have to wait for the official peer-reviewed publications.”
Catherine, very interesting information. Thank you for posting it.
I wish the title of this article had read,” Record majority polled in Calif. approves redefining marriage.” There is no such thing as “same sex” marriage.
“same sex marriage”, is a contradiction in terms… men sodomizing men is not marriage… not now, nor ever… even the secular definition of marriage is at variance with this absurd notion, that men can marry men… what next… men marrying horses… farm animals… creatures from the sea?
When sexual orientation is legally defined merely by one’s state of (disordered) mind rather by genetics and the natural law, anything goes. Inter-species “marriage” logically follows from such madness.
Sure…Caligula married his horse…
Paleobotanist,
I think if you dig far enough, you will find that what you wrote above has already happened in this very sick society!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Fisher my friend who saves abused animals (these was a few years ago)…she had to rescue and take in dogs that were sodomized badly by evil men. They raped them. Also my mum had a cat who died because it was badly abused and was raped too. I know its very horrid. God have mercy on us!
I want to add that my mum’s cat wondered off all throughout the neighborhood and never had a problem and would return fine to eat but when it didn’t return one early afternoon to eat, she was concerned and then closer to the late afternoon when it struggled to return near my mum’s driveway for safety that is when they found it barely alive…..my mum said it was a horrible thing to see, she wishes they knew who did the evil deed on an innocent animal…
Abeca Christian, this type of sick behavior is often used in the porn industry. I knew a woman who refused to watch such a film when the people showing it told her what was in it. She could not leave their house at the time but walked into the kitchen so she did not have to watch it until her husband came and got her. Needless to say, the couple showing the film ended up in divorce and their children into all sorts of bad behavior, including illegal drugs and lesbianism. The father was also accused of molesting some younger females in the family. It should be a warning to us all to be careful what we watch and with whom we are close friends.
And lest someone accuse me of being Pharisaical, yes Jesus Christ ate with sinners to convert them, and although he was tempted but did not sin, he was God and COULD NOT sin. We are not God and can sin, so if we find ourselves becoming worse sinners around certain people we need to stay away from their bad influence as much as possible.
Anne T I agree with you. Also the story you mentioned is a sad story of the real filth that is happening today. I pray for the conversion of all sinners….God help us.
I pretty much agree with Tom B. above. And for me the gullibility factor kicks in big time. The demonratic libs in California are COOKING THE POLLS to get the outcome they so desperately want. Get it? GOD LOVE AND PROTECT ALL, MARKRITE
Any practicing Catholic who endorses and works through legal machinations to implement same-sex marriage and make it the “law” of the land may very well incur “ipso-facto” excommunication… I’m talking about the legislators who promulgate and endorse this perversion…
That is what the Bishops, priests need to be enforcing Paleobotanist but many are not and there is the root of the problem…..there is a solution and our church has it but it is not being enforced, taught or pushed. BUT their trying to the ending of the death penalty will be preached and pushed at mass and asking for more donations is usually the yearly thing…
Markite, they had the same “cooked” polls before Californians voted in Prop 8. They think if they keep telling the same lies over and over again, it will make it right. How delusional can some people get?
Markite,
HE will either protect us or give us the strength and courage to defend his ways no matter what!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Folks don’t live by polls… ignore these reporting and do not lose hope….Only God decides not these stupid polls…yes face the reality of the way this world is but don’t give up! Sometimes I have to question if these polls are created as a propaganda so people would feel hopeless and just conform but we the faithful should know better.
The mores and norms of our society are not congruent with the deviant lifestyle that this subculture embraces. Homosexuality is a variety of sexual paraphilia, along with necrophilia, coprophilia , zoophilia, pygmalianism and a whole host of other sexual anomalies, that are defined as “abnormal”, by many in the discipline of behavioral science. I myself am a herpetologist, but I have an undergraduate degree in psychology, and have studied this field avocationally as a scientist, in order to delve into the questing mind of man. Studying “king cobra’s” and Cape Cobra’s (Naja nivea), is not quite the same thing as studying social deviance, but the two have their place in the matrix of human existence. As a concerned Catholic, I am alarmed at the growing tolerance for this type of perversion, in light of the Gospel’s and the teaching of our faith…
Well, Dr. Carl Stoner, the people that you label as perverts are seen by others as brothers and sisters, sons and daughters. Our society is becoming more accepting and tolerant of gay persons and many if not most people see gay people as equal in their dignity and their humanity to other people. What you say is upsetting to me. It is a sad thing when people try to lessen the humanity of others, to view them as abnormal and less than fully human. We are all God’s children. It is painful to me to think that some of young gay Catholics may feel that they are not wanted or welcome in the Church. You say you have a degree in psychology. What do you think is the effect on a young person to have it hammered into their head that they are abnormal, a pervert, a deviant, a mistake?
NO PA it is not lessening the humanity of others…can you see that acts of homosexuality destroys the dignity of humanity! This has nothing to do with a young person as you demonstrated in your efforts to use such examples (that is another issue), but with redefining marriage….you have the gay activists trying to do that and that very same agenda activism is also trying to normalize other immoral behaviors…you are part of that problem PA because you act as if gay agenda’s do not produce sin. Your fault is the denial of their UN-virtuousness.
Dr. Carl Stoner I get you and I completely agree with you…..your comments are honest and are not promoting any agenda here…just the truth and until humanity starts to see this for what it really is…there will be no healing nor soul searching….what homosexuals need is real love in Christ that includes therapy….not laws that keep encouraging abnormal behavior……
Lets put back into law and treating homosexuality as a disorder…getting them the help they need, that is treating this growing problem with true dignity….not this false compassion and false dignity by imposing their disorder on others and into laws….this special treatment that they are getting is selective and wrong! That is not real love!
Abeca Christian, I looked up Dr. Carl Stoner and he is a character in a 1973 horror film about snakes. I guess I’ve been had here.
Really PA…wow…..
Homosexuality is not an illness, and there is no “help” needed, wanted, or efficacious. Besides, the psychological disciplines stopped referring to homosexuality as a paraphilia a very long time ago.
“Homosexuality is not an illness, and there is no “help” needed, wanted, or efficacious. ”
Methinks thou hast protested sooooo much that thou hast lost credibility.
You do want help. You just don’t know that or sadly might never accept that fact. Here is another fact: Free will is a gift from Almighty God but tragically some will use their free will to choose hell over choosing God.
Chastity is efficacious!
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
If there is no help needed or wanted then you would certainly not want to camp out at a faithful Catholic website. You would be satisfied to continue living in denial.
“Nos fecisti ad te et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te. Thou hast made us for Thyself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee.
“In one bold stroke, St. Augustine defined the ultimate object of Catholic theology and of our Christian pilgrimage to this very day. This quote is, in fact, the core of his theology. Theology, “the science of God,” the ordered and methodical inquiry into the things of God is something we do on His terms, not ours. God revealed himself ultimately in the person of Jesus Christ. Ours is a theology of personal encounter. Syllogism, casuistry, and sober speculation—and St. Augustine excelled in all of these—may serve some purposes but they are not ends in themselves. God is the end of theology.”
“St. Augustine reminded us that theology is a pilgrimage and that God is its end. Fads, fashions, and “original ideas” in academic theology are but distractions in the way of the God. Theologians are not called to be “original,” but to be faithful. They are called to be pilgrims, unswerving in their pursuit of God in whom we will find final rest and complete happiness.”
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Catharine, how about examining your own conscience for a change instead of condemning people you’ve never met.
I have met you! Through insidious homoheretical posts. Your name is legion. All heresies that condone mortal sin should be condemned but only God can condemn the souls of reprobates.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Douay-Rheims
13: 5 Try your own selves if you be in the faith; prove ye yourselves. Know you not your own selves, that Christ Jesus is in you, unless perhaps you be reprobates?
New Jerusalem
13:5 Put yourselves to the test to make sure you are in the faith. Examine yourselves. Do you not recognise yourselves as people in whom Jesus Christ is present? – unless, that is, you fail the test.
Homosexual’s who indulge in sodomy are committing a gravely disordered and sinful act…
If we’re going to place any trust in polls, then let’s go for the best, which is undoubtedly the bookie establishment outta Vegas. Their paymasters have no power over them, as they do over any other odds maker aka statistics scientist.
The more sin a person signs on to, the more their conscience is dimmed, and the less they feel the pain of guilt. Sin becomes a drug, and people become addicted. Guilt becomes society’s soul numbing choice. “Candy is dandy; liquor is quicker; a false-pope is society’s dope”.
Homosexual activity is so grave a sin…”that it cry’s to heaven for vengeance”…it was defined as a sexual paraphilia, before lobbyist’s and special interest group’s picketed, in order to get homosexuality dropped from the DSM-IV TR…many psychotherapist’s believe, without equivocation, that homosexuality is a form of sexual deviance and is a sexual paraphilia…fact!
Trying to reconcile the perversion of sodomy with marriage between man and woman is absurd…it defies reason and logic…what next… marrying octopus, cnidaria, sharks, sea urchins, et al?
Of course Paleobotonaist you know that homosexuality and same sex marriage has nothing to do with sea urchins. Sea urchins can’t consent to a contractual relationship, form a commitment to a human, or make a promise to love honor and cherish. People who have no ax to grind look at the absurd logic of statements like this one and just laugh at their vacuousness.
It’s a little hard for men and men to “PROCREATE”, when they indulge in the perversion of “SODOMY”, marriage is a contract between “men and women”, with procreation as a possibility in this sexual union…even “secular dictionaries”, DO NOT recognize, the contract between “MEN” who wish to marry one another, without “ANY” possibility of procreation…this is in conflict with the Church’s teaching on “FAITH and MORALS”… Sodomy is the antithesis of “MORALS” according to the Sacred Tradition of our faith and the Sacred Scriptures…I alluded to “farm animals” to illustrate a point…one you obviously didn’t grasp…it was used to illustrate how depraved and morally comprised some humans can become, when they operate outside of the Church’s teaching on faith and morals…at which point a veritable Pandoras’ box is opened, and anything is “up for grabs”… has this cleared up all ambiguity YFC?
From the Douay-Rheims Holy Roman Catholic Bible, Matthew 7:21 “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.” In other words, all the lip service in the world about believing in God is next to meaningless when it comes to entering the Gates of Heaven. Entry into Heaven is not by faith alone as many protestants erroneously believe; but rather Our Lord makes it very clear, we humans who follow God’s Commandments and teachings written in the Gospels and Epistles, will only be able to enter into His Kingdom of Heaven. St. Paul in his Epistle to the1 Corinthians 6:9
“Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers”. And to his Epistle to the Romans 1:24-31 “[24] Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. [26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. [28] And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,”
And finally in relation to the brain-washing of our children and naive peoples St Matthew 18: “But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.” [26] God delivered them up: Not by being author of their sins, but by withdrawing his grace, and so permitting them, in punishment of their pride, to fall into those shameful sins. [31] Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them. The future for unrepenting LGBTrs is not bright except for the light shining on them from the flames of hell.
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