The following comes from a December 10 ABC13 article by Jacqui Heinrich and Gina Lazara:
Parishioners are terrified after protesters have disturbed Mass at several Catholic churches across the valley.
The group, Koosha Las Vegas, includes members who clearly identify themselves as former Muslims turned Christians. They’ve been entering churches during services, shouting at Catholics that they need to repent now or else, and filming the acts and posting them on the Internet.
The videos make clear the group has been active on the Las Vegas Strip and several other places around the valley. They’re often seen with large signs and megaphones. The difference now is that they’re going into houses of worship and causing disturbances.
“Repent, and turn to Jesus Christ. Pope is a Satan! Pope is a Satan! Mary statue is a Satan!” the man behind the camera can be heard shouting.
Parishioners we talked to say they were initially scared because of the recent climate of terrorism, and the group makes clear many members are Muslims turned Christian. Although they’re preaching the word of Christ to other Christians, to be told “your religion is not going to save you”, clearly audible on video, they said was unsettling.
It’s not just happening at church. The same group posted a protest outside Bishop Gorman Catholic School on Dec. 2. In that video, a man can be seen telling students, “If you look at the catechism of the Catholic church and you look at scripture, you know why god hates this religious system.”
The scene was so unsettling to some parents that many tried to dismantle it, honking their horns in the video.
Next act is probably terrorism. Although the acts themselves are hostile and will frighten people away from Mass.
Hope the ushers are armed, it’s only a matter of time before this turns violent.
WHY are they allowed to do this? Throw them out!
So these are what , militant protestants ?
Wasn’t it P.T. Barnum who said, “There’s one born every minute” ?
They will fade away if ignored. If they interrupt the Mass or do any other kind of damage, the police should be called. Judging from this article, they are just nut cases in search of a cause. When I lived in Los Angeles we’d go to a movie around Hollywood Blvd. on a weekend. People like that were fairly common.
Here is our opportunity in the Jubilee Year of Mercy to extend merciful love and forgiveness to those who seek to disturb our peace.
Hence see the neutered Catholic man in the pews… doing zero to defend the Faith… ahhh the Spirit of Vatican 2… well done modernist…you are a blight on the Church…
I would think twice before approaching ANYONE with these types of behaviors. The best thing to do is remove yourself and call police. What they are doing has “shock value” and their intentions are EVIL. Never approach irrational people. And the man in the pew was probably in shock… who does this? can this happen in OUR CHURCHES in AMERICA?
Unfortunately, whereas this is great advice in general, in these current times waiting for police intervention can leave people dead. Time for good men to rouse themselves from the stupor of “Who does this?” to the reality that disturbed people, some intent on doing harm, do this.
To sit by and not take action to get the disturbed person out can give them time to act on those impulses. Timely intervention can prevent a worse case scenario. Not always. But it is important to be prepared. And we are most certainly getting enough of a wake up call.
I would hope parishes across the United States, instead of pretending that all is well, would actively implement programs of action. Like fire drills. What to do if…. could save…
… a great many lives. (Including that of the potential perp.)
Would that the news stories were more those of prepared citizenry who acted to avoid catastrophe instead of the opposite.
I’m thinking perhaps the docile parishioners ought to get up out of the pews and beat the living daylights out of the “Christian” invaders?
Barbara – Your thinking on docile parishioners invokes a strong warning about what in sports is known as the “Second Foul Rule”.
Often times the person who commits the First Foul is Not Seen by the referee, and it is the Second Retaliatory Foul that the ref sees and calls. So too with provocations like this, where they bring their own video cameras in to their own hate riot – hoping to catch someone reacting and having that ‘go viral’.
However – Where this falls under the ‘Turn the other cheek’ vs. ‘Driving Money Changers from the Temple’ question would depend on factors that I was not witness to – But God Certainly was.
Michael McD please tell me if I’m correct on this: In California this action would be disturbing the Peace and Annoying a Child, both misdemeanors. Once they are asked to leave they are trespassing. The Diocese can get a restraining order against the individuals in the film and the organization which sent them. Also there are probably enough Catholic cops in LV who would volunteer their off-duty time to cover masses and school arrival and departure times until this “thing” subsides.
I agree with what you said. And also they just need to be asked to leave let them make the mistake. Then let god be there judge
Folks,
Red this comment from Walid Shoebat (former Muslim (and Muslim Brotherhood operative). and now catholic Christian. Mind his comment on the grace which former Muslim exhibit. Do not underestimate his observation that these fellows have not discarded Islam. In a Land of War (which any non-Muslim nation is) deception is allowed and encouraged.
https://shoebat.com/2015/12/11/demon-possessed-ex-muslims-harass-catholic-paritioners/
I agree. The teachings of Islam condone lies and deception against non-Muslims. These terrorists are no more Christian than my lounge chair is. No Christian denomination encourages this kind of hateful behaviour. And, yes, next time they could have guns. DO NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY, Las Vegas Catholics!
Was this reported to the police?
Was the local DA told a ‘Hate Crime’ had taken place with the culprits on video?
Of course this was a Catholic Church – so a fair amount of officially sanctioned hate is now to be expected from the government in this age of AbomiNation…
It is a hate crime for Christians to walk into a Catholic Church and give testimony to Jesus?
In this case it is. In disrupting the mass AND denigrating our beliefs about the Blessed Virgin Mary, they crossed the legal line into a hate crime.
YES.
ALL Churches are private property, and belong to that particular religion only.
Just look in your local government’s land records for property ownership.
In the case of Catholic Churches, you will find the name of the current Diocese Bishop in most cases.
Surely you jest. If a person were to enter a Catholic Church during sacred Mass to “give testimony”, then they don’t understand the Catholic Church. The entire Mass is straight from the Bible. Jesus is present in the tabernacle. Catholics receive the body and blood of Jesus at communion. This said person, if he were paying attention, would bow his head, humble himself by kneeling down, and ask God’s forgiveness for not respecting his Son and for acting in such an arrogant manner. Anonymous, come home to the church Jesus Christ started, the Catholic Church.
If you watched the video they said “It is not a crime.”
It is time to muster the young men of the parish, the football players and martial arts students to form a “hospitality” squad to react to these sorts of intrusions. They are tasked with gently escorting those who are disturbing the Mass out of the church and onto the sidewalk. If no violence is offered, none is given. In my parish, this has happened, a number of the men of the parish politely escorted the offenders out and the problem was ended. We have several law enforcement officers who attend Mass and they are not to be trifled with as well as many veterans who take their worship very seriously.
Just wondering: What “church” brought these people into their flock?
I see that Las Vegas Police are on the case.
@Steve Golay: thanks for the link!
Back in the day, the men at Mass would have resolved this situation in about 30 seconds. By the way, disrupting a worship service is a crime in California.
The police are checking into ‘protocol’ for the future…..
Never mind the future, something has to be done now!
What do you think would of happened if these people were doing the same thing in a mosque?
I think we all know the answer, don’t we!!!!
You are right. They would kill a Christian for doing the same thing in their Mosque. They have been clever to act as though they have converted. They have not. They would love to disrupt and bring down the largest Christian church in the world. If I were a parish member their, I would have physically thrown them out.
Dan awesome! You speak like a real man with conviction!
Because in many Catholic churches, the emphasis is no longer on the church being God’s house, but instead a place where people can share and enjoy a banquet, no one considers it that big of a deal to disrupt or profane sacred places. Since people talk in church, oftentimes many no longer realize that Christ is present in the tabernacle, and so believe the disruption and noise to be just a part of what is normal.
Militant terrorists, such as Moslem extremists, have no respect for other religions’ churches or temples. They seek with all their might to destroy and defame ‘infidel’ institutions. Believe me, no Moslem who is faithful to the Koran, is a friend of Catholicism. The only way they can get to Heaven is to die in a holy war. This fact I learned many years ago when I attended Catholic grammar school, and the fact has been reinforced by my studying the Koran and the Islamic culture.
I guess this “Christians” have not yet read the Old Testament where God tells Moses to make two cherubim of beaten gold for the Ark of the Covenant and many more “statues” right after He told them not to make any idols. In other words they were not to make any statues, plaques or carvings of false gods and goddesses, but they could make such things if they represented Hebrew values (the values of the God of Abraham). See Exodus 20:4-5; Exodus25:18-19: Num.21:8-9; I Kings 6:23-29 and I Kings 7;25-45.
Regarding my last post, these people have a lot to learn about the Old and New Testament. After God told Moses to make the brazen serpent, and that anyone who looked upon would be healed, and they were healed, the people began to confuse the serpent with an immoral foreign god, so the Almighty told Moses to break it up to avoid the confusion. The Lord did not tell him to break up any of the other carvings, statues and plaques that the God of Abraham had approved. The same goes for the Church, only those things which represent Catholic Christian values are to be used by Catholics.
Churches are private property.
The police should be called immediately, when someone disrupts a Mass or other function.
Or when there is any property destruction.
These are HATE CRIMES.
Inspiring how the men rose as one Crusader to pledge their Lives and sacred Honor (or hedge Wives and sacred Honor). A microcosm of the West and Islam; a small taste of what Middle-Eastern Christians endure.
And they say there’s no such thing as Stockholm Syndrome at first sight.
Let’s be clear, these young men are Muslims masquerading as evangelical protestants. In the meantime, they are assessing the “lay of the land”. They are finding out about the response to disrupting the Mass in a Catholic Church (none), they are learning about what happens on the Strip in Las Vegas when they are loud, visible and boisterous – nothing! It will be interesting to see what they do next!
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