The following comes from an Oct. 12 story on sfgate.com.
Supporters of California’s 2008 ban on same-sex marriage are back in court arguing for an exemption from the state’s campaign disclosure laws because of threats and harassment they said they have received from gay-rights supporters.
At a hearing Friday before the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, backers of the hotly contested and now-overturned ballot measure, Proposition 8, sought to keep confidential the names of contributors of $100 or more. But members of the three-judge panel quickly pointed out that the identities of Prop. 8’s donors have already been released by court order.
“They’ve got all this information on the Internet. You want us to ignore it?” asked Judge Milan Smith.
“How can this court redress the grievance that you have?” asked Judge Sandra Ikuta.
By ordering the state to remove the names from its website and seal its files, and by granting an exemption for future elections, replied James Bopp, lawyer for Prop. 8’s main sponsors, a conservative religious coalition called Protect Marriage. He said the organization expects to take part in additional “campaigns regarding protecting marriage.”
He gave no details. But Prop. 8’s campaign manager, Frank Schubert, and the National Organization for Marriage, another sponsor of the 2008 initiative, have joined the signature-gathering campaign for a referendum that would repeal a new state law allowing transgender students to join sports teams and use restrooms for the gender with which they identify.
The third panel member, Judge J. Clifford Wallace, agreed with Bopp that the case presented a live issue because it could affect future campaigns.
A federal judge declared Prop. 8 unconstitutional in 2010, but the ban on same-sex marriage remained in effect until this June, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the proposition’s sponsors, private citizens unaccountable to the state or its voters, lacked the legal right to appeal the judge’s ruling after state officials declined to do so.
In seeking an exemption from disclosure laws, Prop. 8’s sponsors presented declarations from 58 people saying the measure’s supporters had been subjected to vandalism, hate mail, boycotts and death threats.
U.S. District Judge Morrison England of Sacramento refused to seal the contribution records and said most of the reported incidents could be attributed to predictable excesses by both sides in a bitterly fought campaign. He said a small number of alleged violent acts and threats had been referred to police and prosecutors.
In his November 2011 ruling, England also noted that the Prop. 8 campaign raised more than $40 million and got over 7 million votes. By contrast, he said, the U.S. Supreme Court had reserved confidentiality for “small, persecuted groups whose very existence depended on some manner of anonymity,” like the Socialist Workers Party during the Cold War and the NAACP in the segregated South.
Smith raised the same issue at Friday’s hearing.
“You had millions of dollars. You won. … How can we avoid taking that into account?” Smith asked.
John Eastman, a law professor and chairman of the National Organization for Marriage, replied that threats and harassment have continued since the 2008 election and could recur in future campaigns.
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I hope to God no Catholic money is funding this pointless exercise. Time to move on.
As one of those targeted by the Gaystapo ‘tolerance troopers’ in numerous ways – from the Church where my parents were married spray painted with swastikas & slurs against the Pope –
– To my own inclusion on various Gaystapo Stalking Lists – such as the “lavender liberal” Mafia from Prop 8:
– This group Tracks & Acts against all who donated $100 to Pro-Marriage groups it calls: “Anti-Happy” (in my case $100 ea. to Protect Marriage & Capitol Resource Inst.)
The Catholic Church may be moving ahead – but that hasn’t deterred the packs of predators running alongside seeking to tear us down on the move too..
I applaud Professor Eastman and his good work, which has been done in one of the most fearsome jungles on earth, the Court system.
SEE
SCOTUS declines appeal by Christian university administrator fired for homosexuality column
October 11, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Crystal Dixon has run out of options…. the United States Supreme Court has declined to hear Dixon’s appeal.
Dixon, the former associate vice president of human resources at the University of Toledo (UT),…
, who is black, had expressed her disagreement with comparisons made between the gay rights and black civil rights movements in a previous column by the editor of the publication
“As a black woman who happens to be an alumnus of the University of Toledo’s Graduate School, an employee and business owner, I take great umbrage at the notion that those choosing the homosexual lifestyle are ‘civil rights victims,’” wrote Dixon.
Guess she was wrong . . .
OK, Greg, so just WHY do you hope no “Catholic money” is funding this “pointless” exercise” ? What’s pointless about defending oneself from an onslaught of predictable rabid suppoerters of “same sex ‘marriage,’ ” just because they delusionally think that Prop. 8 shouldn’t have been launched in the first place? Do I detect the familiar aroma of a troll here? So if another version of Prop. 8 should ever roll down the pike from backers of Traditional Marriage, everyone interested in seeing it pass this time should, in your words, just “move on” and ignore the new attempt, don’t even TRY and help it pass THIS TIME? And your reasoning is….? Because the same thing will happen all over again? The “haters” who might start the NEW attempt to defend Trad. Marriage will just experience the same incredibly leftist violent rhetoric, ignored-by-the-media unfair tactics by the GayFascist movement, and the TRUE hater-inspired death threats of the HomoNazi cabal, just like the aftermath of the PASSAGE of Prop. 8 in 2008? Can you be serious? I personally will ALWAYS support ANY serious move to shut down the monstrosity calling itself “gay marriage” from their perverted attempts to re-define marriage as a “catch-all” coupling involving seriously morally sick individuals in perverted groupings of deviant nutballs who call it “LUV.’ And I don’t HATE ANYONE, but I DO hate the sin they try to advance. Because untrammeled sin can destroy this country. But that’s just me, Greg. Have a nice day, bud. GOD BLESS ALL, Markrite
Mak ~ Here’s the deal. Regardless of how one believes about judicial review, or the merits of the case, Prop 8 is dead and it’s not coming back. As the article pointed out the info has been available on the internet for some time now. We all know that for better or for worse once something is loose in cyberspace, it’s probably available to anyone forever. (friend of ours was thinking about e-mailing a nude pic of herself to her husband in Afganistan. Bad idea) During the 8 campaign, there were illegal acts done by supporters of both sides. In Richmond a woman was murdered because she was a lesbian. I guess that this long after the fact to ProtectMarriage.com people need to do something to try to stay relevant. This is common among non profits which have issues overcome by events. The Church has limited financial resources. To spend any helping these guys tilt at windmills just doesn’t make sense.
Mr. Smith,
To the likes of you, those who tried to defend Our Lord as he was being sent to the Crucifixon probably made no sense, after all they were outnumbered!
May God have mercy on an amoral America and on your soul!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Ken ~ If I recall correctly the only person present at the Crucifixon who tried to defend Christ was Peter who drew his sword and was told to put it away. I also have to say that equating this obscure court case. which “the world will little know nor long remember” with the passion and death of Our Lord is really, really pushing the envelope.
Totally agree, the gaystapo must be fought by every legal means possible since their goal is to effectively shut-down our civil rights under the Constitution through relentless intimidation, bullying, and outright lawless behavior. My “Catholic money”, as Greg puts it, will continue to support this “pointless exercise”.
Hi Tom ~ I don’t know if being a gay person who occasionaly writes a check to the National Center for Lesbian Rights and belongs to a Lesbian & Bisexual Women’s Potluck Group qualifies me as a member of the “Gaystopo” but I’m glad you said by only legal means. I’ve never been the victim of gaybashing and I’d really like to keep it that way.
Umm C&H well the truth is you are a contributor to those forces, which in turn gives them worldly temporal power, but in the end, it all will have its end…..I GUARANTEE IT!
Abeca, Leaving the issue of marriage aside, can we at least agree on things like gay people having a right not to be beaten up or fired from their jobs just because they are gay?
The Gays are relentless. There is good reason to fear them. I remember how Gays demonstrated at the Mormon temple in Los Angeles.
Gratias, St. Paul must have surely encountered the same kind of pride-filled relentlessness in order for him to write this Epistle to the Romans.
Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans Chapter 1 :26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. [28] And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[26] God delivered them up: Not by being author of their sins, but by withdrawing his grace, and so permitting them, in punishment of their pride, to fall into those shameful sins.
[31] Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them. Douay-Rheims
Catherine! Please! All men sin. No man is just. But historically, you see St. Paul was writing to the Romans, right? To whom was he referring? Hint: Romans 1:14 See CCC 2357 Do you know anything about the term Greek Love? But St. Paul’s point, again is in Romans 2:
[1] Wherefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest. For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself. For thou dost the same things which thou judgest. [2] For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things. [3] And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things, and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? [4] Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness, and patience, and longsuffering? Knowest thou not, that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance? [5] But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath, and revelation of the just judgment of God.
[6] Who will render to every man according to his works. [7] To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: [8] But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation. [9] Tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek. [10] But glory, and honour, and peace to every one that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. “
Catherine,
To an intelligent spiritual mind “but they also that consent to them that do them” equals many politicians and some “bishops”!
Not having been one of the original twelve, St. Paul was writing the truth as it was given to him by Our Lord!
May God have mercy on an amoral America!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
We must not live in fear….we NOT allow fear to slow down what God has given us and that is our freedom to protect what is HIS! I’m Catherine, she sure conveyed well.
I think that if we unite together to face these Goliaths that throw dangerous tantrums to get their way…..then we can be as humble and simple as David and enforce what we rightfully voted for! We need to protect our people from the gay mafia!
Correction I meant to say I’m with Catherine, she sure conveyed well, I agree with her charitable reminder from those scripture passages. So add the word with….
Catherine, your quote seems to begin in the middle: “For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections.” What cause?
These folks need to put their names where their loud mouths are, that is how democracy works! No room for totalitarian cowards in a free society!!!
What would you know about a free society miles? You connote freedom with licentiousness so in your case you’ll never have to worry about losing yours, that’s for sure. You sure don’t have to worry about losing your religious freedom for a person can’t miss what they’ve never used! You’ve never shown an ounce of Christian charity or mercy on this web site. All you do is spout crude and hateful jargon. Why do you bother? Go to confession. Ask Jesus for a new heart. The one you have is too hard to break, and you can’ t love without a broken heart.
Bravo Dana! VERY WELL SAID!
It was mean.
Thank you Abeca. I still continue to pray for TM but not as often now. Am concerned that there is so much emphasis on ‘the poor’ now and not the ‘poor in spirit’. As our society continues to fragment and the media seem to be spewing the same secular humanistic message, how are people able to withstand the seduction of ‘live and let live’? Anonymous reflects the common fallacy that saying nothing is being kind. It’s sure easier! ;O)
TEM: you mean like the gay mafia….
Hey, Greg, the name’s Markrite, not “Mak,” obviously your mind is seething to get your response in print before it guides your flying fingers. But, unfortunately, said response is, in computerese, LOL ridiculous. Greg, WHO CARES if Prop. 8 is “not coming back?” I mentioned any NEW legislation ALA Prop. 8, not the same thing. We the people need to be protected from the depredations of the, as Michael McDermott aptly puts it, “Gaystopo,” of which I suspect you MIGHT be a member of, though I have no proof (yet). And please provide PROOF of “illegal acts” done by supporters of Prop. 8. None is disclosed by you, just the accusation. Chapter and verse, please. Also, along these lines, the implication made in the “murder” (and how do you know it was murder?) of a lesbian in Richmond remark is that somehow it’s connected to ProtectMarriage.com, and just HOW is that? Please provide more details. So, again, the unmistakable aroma of trolldom is overpowering me, I must exit. GOD BLESS ALL, Markrite
No offence intended on shortening your handle. I’ve known a lot of guys called “Mac.” One of them, Warrant Officer MacDonald, taught me a lot of lessons that helped me through life. As for my sexuality, a pal of mine who is a gay activist once said I was her “most hetrocentric friend.”
Pure criminality accompanied the Prop 8 opposition:
Threats,
Theft,
Stalking,
Property damage,
Assaults and battery,
Slander,
Voter Intimidation.
This from the group that says, “Don’t hate.”
Are we to assume these people have somehow chosen to become civilized five years later?
Un-Civil Times
It is time for the Catholic Church to get out of the ‘civil’ marriage scam, and cease to take Caesar’s Coin for being a stooge of Satan, or his subsidiary Abomination.
The Attack on Marriage (Between a Man XY & Woman XX) is part of a larger Hate Pogrom of MISANDRY – that seeks to Literally Exterminate the Male (XY) Gender and place the world under dominion of ‘Non-Male Oriented Womyn’ – Like the Dyke Marchers
The Extermination Pogrom is rather artlessly laid out in plans like the ‘SCUM Manifesto’ and such, where Males are to be reduced to the only useful thing about them (until a substitute can be found) – “Donor Material”. Ahem.
The Church can Still Marry Faithful Catholics – but they will have to go fill out a form at city hall if they want Caesar’s Goodies too – but the Church Should Not Do Caesar’s Dirty Work.
Faithful Catholics can Avoid this nightmare through simply Contracts accompanying their Holy Vows – which is what the laws often serve as defaults for – in the absence of prior arrangements.
So too for things once assumed Part of a Catholic Marriage…
– They may need to be spelled out more explicitly in the future – but in a manner that Can’t be Confused for pandering to the Sick Hatreds and Vile Perversions of the Gaystapo Thought Police.
God Will Understand…
– iI not the bought and paid for ‘free press’ that Champion His Enemies on Earth.
Although unlike many in the annual Tax Subsidized Anti Male Hate Riot / SF Dyke March – At least some at the NCLR embrace self mutilating Steroid Dykes as Men –
(*like Chastity Bono, Raped as a Young Girl by an older Dyke and acting out the trauma in so many ways)…
Further – as shown in the notorious legal case of the Homo-Anal Coprophile Sports league – that wanted to keep ‘part timers’ (switch hitters, many from the ‘Down Low’ segment responsible for spreading most ‘heterosexual’ Aids…) – Out of the League.
The Arguments I heard re-hashed in a Santa Clara College (Cal Bar – Continuing Legal Ed class) presentation, focused on the Important Distinction between the Acceptability of Men who would at least occasionally engage in Homo-Anal Coprophile Behaviors…
Versus those Un-Good Males who would not do so under any conditions, whether they themselves were otherwise actively heterosexual, abstinent, celibate, incapable or simply not at home at the time.
As For their Twysted Systers in Exterminationist Misandry, they gather every Pink Saturday on the Steps of Mission Dolores, before taking over the streets without permit or payment –
Women rule the world, if only for a little while
By Ryan Kim, SF Chronicle 6-27-04
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Women-rule-the-world-if-only-for-a-little-while-2746076.php
For a few hours Saturday night, Vicki Noble got a fleeting glimpse of a World Devoid of Men –
– and she came away excited and deeply moved. “This is what the world would look like if women ruled the world, which we intend to do,” said Noble…
Men told not to rain on parade Unity key to Dyke March; 50,000 expected at S.F. Dyke March 50,000 expected — Men Not Advised.
By Joe Garofoli,
S.F. Chronicle Staff Writer – Saturday, June 26, 2004.
Mr. McDermott … ” seeks to Literally Exterminate the Male (XY) Gender and place the world under dominion of ‘Non-Male Oriented Womyn’ ” Have you ever thought about writing science fiction?
C&H you should be more concerned with your salvation than with Mr. McDermott creative writing skills….which are not science fiction….
Abeca , Doesn’t it go without saying that salvation, ours and others, should be top priority? Stil,l I think we can, at the same time, enjoy reading Sci Fi, or in my case,history. Oh BTW, I am a very “male oriented” woman (womyn, whatever). I mean with six brothers and, at this point, an all guy staff, how could I not be?
C&H I know exactly what Mr. McD is talking about I was raised in a man hating household, and I can tell you it is NOT science fiction. I know first hand what its like to be hated for having the Y chromosome, then again I did have my revenge… C&H you should wake up and take a good look at your own so called community, its loaded with man hating filth
Canisius, I’ so sorry you were put through such hell and that you have been able to have good women in your life. There are man hating women and women hating men. We thank God they are few and far between, but they do hurt a lot of people. Now that you’ve had your revenge, whatever it was, you might try to spend some time talking with your priest about how to free yourself from the horrible memories of what happened. I had a a tough situation a few years ago, though nowhere near as bad as yours, and some sessions with our pastor really, really helped. Good luck.
C&H the difference between man hating women and vice versa, man hating women forms political action groups and (NOW, NARAL etc) while the vice versa are usually in jail or on their way.. I cannot relate to most priests since most of them are flaming queers with no business being the priesthood and cannot relate to a real man
Oh sorry. I meant “…hope that you have been able to have good women in your life.”
Weird but true.
Dr. Edward Allred donated $2,500 to Prop. 8.
He who said:
“Population control is too important to entrust to some right-wing, pro-life types. Take the recent influx of Hispanic immigrants: Their lack of respect for democracy and social order is frightening. I hope I can do something to stem that tide. I’d set up a[n abortion] clinic in Mexico for free if I could. Maybe one in Calexico would help. The survival of our society could be at stake.…The Aid to Families With Dependent Children program is the worst boondoggle ever created. When a sullen black woman can decide to have a baby and get welfare and food stamps and become a burden to all of us it’s time to stop. In parts of South Los Angeles having babies for welfare is the only industry the people have.”
– Dr. Edward Allred (multi-millionaire, former owner of Family Planning Associates, once upon a time the largest independent abortion clinic chain), quoted in “Doctor’s Abortion Practice Lucrative,” The San Diego Union, 10/12/80, pp. A-3, 17.
As horrible as his views are, they seem entirely consistent to me.