The following comes from a November 12 LifeSiteNews article by Jeanne Smits:
A Dominican friar, Father Adriano Oliva, has celebrated the 800th anniversary of his religious order with a book about “the Church, the divorced and remarried, and homosexual couples.”
Amours (“Loves”) is a study of St Thomas Aquinas’ definition of love and aims to show that the “Angelic Doctor” recognized the “natural” character of homosexuality. In the wake of the Synod on the family, Oliva pleads for new ways of welcoming divorced and remarried and homosexual couples into the Church and of recognizing their unions in civil law.
His editor, the “editions du Cerf” publishing house, is the historic Dominican editor in France, founded at the request of Pope Pius XI in 1929. It still functions under religious supervision.
Father Adriano Oliva is works as a researcher for the State-run CNRS in France (National Center for Scientific Research) at the “Laboratory of Monotheistic studies. But he is also a doctor in theology, a historian of medieval doctrines, and president of the Leonine Commission founded by Pope Leo XIII in Paris in 1880 in order to publish or republish critical editions of St Thomas Aquinas’ work and to “restore his golden wisdom.”
Dominicans from all over the world are associated with this prestigious institution, whose aim is restore the knowledge of one of their wisest predecessors in the very town where he taught and lived. Oliva also presides the “Bibliothèque thomiste” collection of the Parisian academic editor, Vrin.
Catholic philosopher Thibaud Collin explains that Oliva bases his reflection on the fact that “counter-natural pleasure” can exist, either because of a corruption which comes from the body (“finding sour things sweet because of fever” for instance), or which comes from the soul, “such as those who, from habit, find pleasure in eating their fellow man, in having relations with animals or homosexual relations, and other similar things which are not according to human nature.”
From this Oliva deduces the thesis according to which “St Thomas places the principle of pleasure in sexual unions between persons of the masculine sex as coming from the soul and not from the body, where he had placed venereal pleasure, on the other hand.” He then proceeds to declare: “St Thomas considers homosexuality as an inclination that is rooted in its most intimate part, the soul, from where affections and love are expressed.”
This leads him to affirm that it is necessary to distinguish between homosexuality and sodomy which is practiced for the sole aim of gaining pleasure. “For this singular person, homosexuality cannot be considered as being against nature, even though it does not correspond with the general nature of the species,” writes Oliva, who considers this general nature not as a reality but as an abstraction.
For these people, therefore – reasons Father Oliva – as homosexuality is constitutive of the very nature of their soul, moral virtue consists for them in living out their inclination according to the demands of their humanity: in unique, gratuitous, faithful and “chaste” love. And the Church must accompany them in their love for a person of the same sex in which they “accomplish” themselves. Sexual acts, in this context, are rendered morally legitimate by the criterion of “love” between homosexual persons, in the same way as happens between heterosexuals.
(One wonders why cannibals were not so similarly vindicated.)
Interestingly but not surprisingly, this sort of reasoning was invoked in substance by Vatican priest Krzysztof Charamsa, who said on the occasion of his “coming out” just before the Synod: “The Bible says nothing about homosexuality. It speaks of acts that I would call ‘homogenital’. Even heterosexuals can commit such acts, as often happens in prisons, but in this case they act against their nature and so commit a sin. When gay persons engage in such acts, on the contrary, they express their nature. The sodomite of the Bible has nothing to do with two gays who love each other in Italy today and who want to marry. I have not managed to find a single passage, even in St Paul, which can be interpreted as relating to homosexual persons who demand to be respected as such, as at the time the concept itself was unknown.”
This man is not a true Christian, nor a true Dominican priest! He is a “wolf in sheep’s clothing!” He spends too much time, thinking very pleasurably, I bet– all about perverted pleasures, of those who are SICK and extremely immoral! He ought to be laicized, kicked out of the priesthood, kicked out of the Dominican Order– and excommunicated! His stupid, worthless book should be banned!
Linda Marie, if I were to say your posts are stupid and worthless, should CCD ban them?
judge not lest you be judged, maria are 100 percent certain that you are going to spend eternity in heaven you must not judge the morals of another person, the Dominican has been ordained a priest with all the rights of an ordained minister it is an indelible mark on his soul
Ah yes, the 3-blind-mice approach (“Judge not..”: it was the perfect fuel for the child-sex-abuse crisis).
So, Our Lord meant nothing at all when he said, “By their fruits, ye shall know them?” ( Mt.7:16) (Hint: He was talking about false teachers.)
This dissent is a false attribution to Aquinas. Expression of dissent begins with a studied ambiguity, a purposefully crafted unclear statement that draws the reader to a number of false conclusions. Dissent then devolves into outright false doctrine, boldly proclaiming a lie as the truth. It is time for this priest to to a general confession, to acknowledge his own sexual iniquities for what they are, and to stop misleading God’s people under the authority as priest.
Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)
Commenting upon Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Romans (1:26-27), Saint Thomas Aquinas, the Angelic Doctor, explains why the sin of homosexuality is so grave:
Continued
“Given the sin of impiety through which they [the Romans] sinned against the divine nature [by idolatry], the punishment that led them to sin against their own nature followed…. I say, therefore, that since they changed into lies [by idolatry] the truth about God, He brought them to ignominious passions, that is, to sins against nature; not that God led them to evil, but only that he abandoned them to evil…
Is this then heretical?
“Times change and we must change with them.” — Pope Francis, Homily, Santa Marta, October 23, 2015
Beautifully thought out and expressed, Father. Thank you.
The man suffers from too many degrees, not enough air at the top, and thinking too much. Such men are dangerous. St. Thomas More, pray for him.
Mental gymnastics to legitimize homosexual sex? I ain’t buyin’ it. Perversion is perversion, no matter how you slice it or try to dress it up with convoluted theology.
why do all you folks dwell on sex so much there are far greater issues in this world to be concerned about stop the sex bit, right no I am struggling financially to help a homeless family and I am 77 they have 5 kids, one is disabled stop judging other folks you are only lay folks, period
Sad. To be 77 and to have gained so little knowledge at all, about the moral life, that is.
In an earlier thread, I expressed the feeling of uneasiness about the Dominican order, a sentiment which was then twisted and misconstrued by someone who failed to read carefully. Once again, I express my uneasiness about this order. But this time there is a growing anxiety. Appealing to St. Thomas, the great luminary for the Dominicans, would be expected for any Dominican, but appealing to the Angelic Doctor in support of homosexual unions/marriage (?) is new. Very new and very disconcerting.
Another Queer-Thomist (such as Mark Jordan in America and David Berger in Germany) advocating Queer-Thomism: Will he “come out” as they did?
Maybe this condition is normal in his religious house.
It appears that Satan has claimed another soul. Father Oliva is now working for Satan. Something is wrong with the Dominican order that they haven’t expelled and defrocked Oliva.
What other sins does Adriano Oliva advocate?
This is another priest that was educated for beyond his intelligence. So sad because homosexual are seeking some sort of justification for their acting out. The pied piper is still playing as people dance their way to hell. Holy Spirit please guide our priest with the Light of Jesus….
So he admits that sodomy is wrong and says that homosexual persons should be chaste.
Acting according to your nature is not a good thing. We have a fallen nature. We are not supposed to give in to lust, greed, anger, stinginess, envy..
Even in a sacramental union, you are not supposed to give in to lust. You can’t commit just any sex act that you or your partner might think sounds good.
If your soul is a little spark of God, these inclinations aren’t coming from your soul but from your flesh and you mind and you are supposed to do violence to yourself to purify your flesh which is a life-long fight that we all have.
Just another member of the lying homosex left, trying to square the circle so he will feel “accepted” well its not happening.. not now not ever….
St Thomas A:”If all the sins of the flesh are worthy of condemnation because by them man allows himself to be dominated by that which he has of the animal nature, much more deserving of condemnation are the sins against nature by which man degrades his own animal nature….
“Man can sin against nature in two ways. First, when he sins against his specific rational nature, acting contrary to reason. In this sense, we can say that every sin is a sin against man’s nature, because it is against man’s right reason….
St Thomas Aquinas:”Secondly, man sins against nature when he goes against his generic nature, that is to say, his animal nature. Now, it is evident that, in accord with natural order, the union of the sexes among animals is ordered towards conception. From this it follows that every sexual intercourse that cannot lead to conception is opposed to man’s animal nature.”9
Saint Bernardine of Siena (1380-1444)
Saint Bernardine of Siena was a famous preacher, celebrated for his doctrine and holiness. Regarding homosexuality, he stated:
“No sin in the world grips the soul as the accursed sodomy; this sin has always been detested by all those who live according to God.… Deviant passion is close to madness; this vice disturbs the intellect, destroys elevation and generosity of soul, brings the mind down from great thoughts to the lowliest, makes the person slothful, irascible, obstinate and obdurate, servile and soft and incapable of anything; furthermore, agitated by an insatiable craving for pleasure, the person follows not reason but frenzy.… They become blind and, when their thoughts should soar to…
St. Thomas Aquinas addressed the issue of homosexuality, as well as its related sin of bestiality, in the Summa Theologica. I invite readers to follow this link and read Articles 11 and 12 to get the “real scoop” on what the Angelic Doctor thought about homosexual actions.
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3154.htm
For those not familiar with Thomas’ methodology, his response is the “I answer that” paragraph and well as the replies found after that.
Summary: For Thomas, homosexual acts are are tied with bestiality for gravity and worse than incest and sacrilege.
Taken from the The Washington Post – ‘Not all gay Catholics are pleased about how Vatican priest came out of the closet ‘ = IOW a softer strategic ambiguity sells sin!
“Yet at a time when they can almost smell what they call the sweet scent of change, some gay Catholics counter that Charamsa’s “theatrical” coming out may have done more harm than good. It could, they say, embolden church hard-liners and have a chilling effect on the slowly thawing relations between gay people and the Catholic Church.”
continued…….
Be emboldened! Remember….The Blessed Mother and those who remained “faithful” at the foot of the cross were also known as hard-liners.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/not-all-gay-catholics-are-pleased-about-vatican-priests-coming-out/2015/11/11/50888b78-7c06-11e5-bfb6-65300a5ff562_story.html
Who says he is “prominent?” There is another “prominent” homosexual Dominican who has publicly acknowledgement his homosexuality around who recently cam to San Francisco. These people are “effeminate mama’s boys” who went into the priesthood.They are still preaching acceptance of homosexuality. I have found them in the Jesuit, Salesian Orders, among others. What should we do with them?
Do any of you blogers want to learn about the sordid details and histories of these homosexual priests and how they were arrested?
If any are still in active ministry, sure.
Please shine a bright light on the consequences of obstinate/unrepentant clergy who expect the laity and the Catholic Church to house them, feed them, cloth them and pay their medical insurance while they duplicitously lead many souls astray.
“Soon after, Charamsa was evicted by the nun running the Rome convent where he had lived for years as a chaplain, he said. His brother’s children are being bullied at school, and his mother is facing pressure at her church in his native Poland, he added. The Vatican fired him on the spot, leaving him unemployed. And his bishop in Poland suspended him, stripping him of the right to wear the Roman collar and celebrate Mass.”
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“Technically, Charamsa said, he remains ordained. In a statement, his bishop left the door open for Charamsa’s return to the practicing priesthood should he repent. But it’s an offer, Charamsa told his applauding audience in Spain, that he has declined. I’ve come out of the closet,” he said, “and I’m not going back.”
Jesus desires the sincere repentance of all sinners. The horrifically sobering thought of His priests being tormented in hell for all eternity should awaken anyone who is enabling these lost souls with false compassion or by design or neglect. No temporary human relationship is worth the loss of Eternal Life. Repent while you still have time on this earth.
We are Called to Love Each Other – but not Confuse Love with degrading physical or pathological Behaviors; Promotion of which seems the pogrom of this guy and his fellow travelers on that road to ruin.
SEE
Priest: Acceptance of Sexual ‘Identities’ in Catholic Schools Will ‘Inevitably Hurt Students’
https://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CatholicEducationDaily/DetailsPage/tabid/102/ArticleID/4485/Priest-Acceptance-of-Sexual-%e2%80%98Identities%e2%80%99-in-Catholic-Schools-Will-%e2%80%98Inevitably-Hurt-Students%e2%80%99.aspx
As Catholic school districts in Canada struggle to develop and implement “transgender policies,” one priest in the Diocese of Saskatoon in Saskatchewan, Canada, told The Cardinal Newman Society that any school policies…
Homosexuality Is Not Sexuality
DEACON JIM RUSSELL
Events of recent memory have left my head spinning in disbelief—“Caitlyn,” same-sex so-called “marriage,” three women “marrying” in South America, and, yes, “gay Catholics” and “chaste gay couples.” With me, you may wonder how all this has emerged in a short few decades of social upheaval.
I may have an answer: Society has constructed an unreal cultural landscape in which things that are not sexuality are passed off as sexuality.
Even a majority of Catholics are, perhaps unwittingly, swallowing this unreality, hook, line, and sinker.
The fabric of this false landscape is language—language that frames everyone and everything in a way that fundamentally relativizes the truth about…
Prominent?! It’s the biblical cockle rationalizing. In a word, Poppycockle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lrHzbLnC4o
It would be a huge error to suggest that TA called homosexuality natural. He absolutely said the opposite.
However, it would also be an error to give weight to his writings in regard to sex or gender. He was a brilliant philosopher and theologian. He was also a Medieval person with many opinions that seem quaint and comical now.
He also believed: all sex is sinful, masturbation is more grievous a sin than rape, nocturnal emission is a mortal sin, kisses can be mortal sins, the emotion of lust is a sin…
He called women “defective and misbegotten” and thought femininity to be the product of a birth defect, producing inferior creatures that serve no purpose beyond procreation. Much of it framed in long disproven scientific hypotheses.
This post by Maya is factually false on some points. Let me tackle the first, “all sex is sinful.” One can go to this link
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3153.htm#article2
and read St. Thomas stating very clearly that sex is not always and everywhere sinful. Once again, the “I answer that” section represents Thomas’ view on the subject.
Maya: “[St Thomas Aquinas] also believed: all sex is sinful,..”
Maya, can you provide the citation for your proposition you claimed above? I have a few passages from the Summa I am thinking of, but none of them make this rather bold assertion. Pardon me, but I don’t believe you can do so.
Let me help you out a little bit, Maya, as Fr. Michael is also trying to do: in the Summa T. II-II, 153, 2, Aquinas poses the question, “Whether no venereal act can be without sin?” (i.e., all sexual acts are sinful, at least partly so, as Maya claims STA asserted) Here is what he actually says (part of his lengthy answer, but the key):
“Hence Augustine says (De Bono Conjug. xvi): “What food is to a man’s well being, such is sexual intercourse to the welfare of the whole human race.” Wherefore just as the use of food can be without sin, if it be taken in due manner and order, as required for the welfare of the body, so also the use of venereal acts can be without sin, provided they be performed in due manner and order, in…
Answer: Sexual acts in proper order, such as within a consecrated marriage between a man and a woman, are not at all sinful, according to S. Thomas Aq.
Just as at St. Dominic’s here in SF, there are very Catholic good Dominicans, young and old—and, as has been pointed out above, there is/are, at least in the order itself worldwide, cockle, of “poppycockle” as Hymie notes, sown with the wheat, cockle evidenced by the likes of “Fr.” Oliva.
Remember also, the former Master General of the order, “Fr.” Timothy Radcliffe, who was cancelled by the Vatican from speaking in 2011 at a Caritas conference in Rome due to his objectively disordered teachings about sexuality, completely consonant with Oliva’s, has now been named as of this past March by the present pontiff to a highly influential consultor position on the Vatican commission for “Social Justice and Peace.” Many…
Many Dominicans are sick inside at the illness running through their order—exactly analogous to the illness presently incapacitating the entire Church.
Well, as Card. Mario Luigi Ciappi, papal theologian to 5 popes, and one who actually also read the 150-word single page yet-unrevealed comments of Sr Lucia of the 3rd Secret—as Card. Ciappi related in his letter to Austrian professor Dr. Baumgartner, about Fatima’s hidden meaning, “In the Third Secret it is predicted, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
Thank you Fr. Michael, Abeca Christian and others for clearing things up as to what St. Thomas Aquinas really said. We need to pray for the priest in the article as he is doing damage to himself and others in encouraging sodomy. People who practice such a thing will soon find out just how “natural” it is when they get a torn body part, nasty disease or related cancer no matter how “monogamous” they think they are.
The great apostasy within the Church is being followed by the great wave of terrorism spreading within our world. When addressing the Paris attacks and the dangers of unrestricted borders, French politician Marine Le Pen said. “The enemies are also those who have an ambiguous attitude toward terrorist organizations.”
There are enemies of Church teaching who have also been invited in to reside and spread a deadlier brand of terror which is error. The deposit of faith is not being guarded. Now we are witnessing the worldly fallout. These enemies of the Faith are still being allowed to trample across solid Traditional Church teaching. They recruit unsuspecting sheep in the deadly dangerous realm of using ambiguous language.
As an example of a Dominican life very, very well-lived here at our own St. Dominics for many years, Fr. Felix Cassidy OP, passed away Nov. 13th, 2015.
Here is the story of an extraordinary priest and Dominican:
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sfgate/obituary.aspx?n=felix-cassidy-op&pid=176526222
“[Fr. Felix] was devoted to Our Blessed Lady, to his beloved St Jude (St Dominic’s here has the extraordinary St Jude Shrine), to his brothers, to the pilgrims the Shrine, and to the faithful of St. Dominic’s Church and the city… He lifted the burdens of many people who came to him over the decades seeking out to pour their troubles upon him and to hear his encouraging words.”
A great light has gone out on earth. Knowing Fr…
..Fr Felix would want our prayers, in his humility, we can consider that his light now appears in a far better place.
Here is a great testimony to the wonderful life of Fr. Felix Cassidy, OP from YouTube. The photos are great as well as Fr. Cassidy’s account of his life.
(This dates from 2002, when he turned 75):