The following comes from a Nov. 14 posting on the blog site of Father Malloy, A Shepherd’s Voice.
On Monday, November 11, at the general assembly of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco spoke to the press. Archbishop Cordileone chairs the bishops’ subcommittee on the defense of marriage. His Excellency lamented the recent Supreme Court decision on DOMA and its lack of a decision on the Proposition 8 case. About Proposition 8 he noted the abdication of responsibility by public officials charged with enforcing laws: “Increasingly we are witnessing public officials placing their opinions over the laws they are charged to defend…In the area of marriage this has happened in a striking way with DOMA, Proposition 8, and in other jurisdictions with respect to marriage laws.”
The Archbishop’s statement provoked a response by Michael Sean Winters, of the National Catholic Reporter. Mr. Winters wrote:
“The Church is a big ship, and she does not turn quickly. So, perhaps it would be expecting too much for the bishops to get with a new program too quickly. This morning, Archbishop Vigano said, “he [the pope] made a special point of saying that he wants ‘pastoral’ bishops, not bishops who profess or follow a particular ideology.” Now, I am listening to Archbishop Sal Cordileone discuss the “defense of marriage. It is not clear to me why the archbishop thinks it is vital that photography studios be able to discriminate against gay couples. His reading of the political landscape if even more strange. +Cordileone is still at the barricades in the culture wars. This summer the pope, when asked about a gay monsignor, said, ‘who am I to judge?’ This was widely reported. Apparently, albeit unreported, the Holy Father intended to leave judgment to +Cordileone.”
Since the subject under discussion was same-sex marriage it might first be instructive to compare the positions of Archbishop Cordileone and the Holy Father on the issue. In 2009, Archbishop Cordileone told the East Bay Express:
“The ultimate attack of the Evil One is the attack on marriage,” he said. “If you take marriage apart, everything comes unraveled. It’s been frayed at the edges, and now moving more and more toward the center. But you take marriage out, it all comes unraveled. It all comes tumbling down. And again, the evangelicals, they understand that. They understand this is an attack of the Evil One at the core institution.”
The next year, 2010, when faced with a similar situation, legislation for same-sex marriage in Argentina, the Holy Father, then-Cardinal Bergoglio, said:
“Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”
Far from being at odds, it sounds like Cardinal Bergoglio was channeling the recent statement of Bishop Cordileone. In fact, both prelates were repeating the teaching of the Church.
Mr. Winters then offers the conventional misunderstanding of the Pope’s “airplane statement.” Winters writes, “This summer the pope, when asked about a gay monsignor, said, ‘who am I to judge?’”
The Pope’s words are easily found. The Holy Father was answering a question from journalist Inez Scamparini, about Monsignor Battista Ricca. The Holy Father discussed Ricca, and then said:
“…you spoke about the gay lobby. So much is written about the gay lobby. I still haven’t found anyone with an identity card in the Vatican with “gay” on it. They say there are some there. I believe that when you are dealing with such a person, you must distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of someone forming a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. This one is not good. If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this in a beautiful way, saying … wait a moment, how does it say it … it says: “no one should marginalize these people for this, they must be integrated into society”. The problem is not having this tendency, no, we must be brothers and sisters to one another, and there is this one and there is that one. The problem is in making a lobby of this tendency: a lobby of misers, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of masons, so many lobbies. For me, this is the greater problem….”
To read full transcript of Pope’s airplane interview in English, click here.
To read entire posting on A Shepherd’s Voice, click here.
People who have accepted their homosexuality and want the Catholic faith and their parish to change for them are not searching for the Lord. Homosexuals in open relationshipa and in married unions have become a lobby. They lobby for homosexuality like large families lobby for life. No matter how a homosexual relationship is presented, unless there is not sex, it is a sin. Christianity is a cross. It is not an open invitation to love in anyway you desire.
Lopez is Right (Although his ‘two moms’ might not agree) –
The Gaystapo are Slave keepers, not unlike their Homo-Nazi predecessors in the third reich – who followed the Trojan model of making babies for warriors and keeping slaves for laborers:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-radicalism-imperial-project-global-goliath
“In crude terms, male-male couples that want children are looking to control a dependent without having to support the child’s biological mother beyond birth…
SEE
The Strange, Strange Story of Gay Fascists.- by Johann Hari.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html
The lost boys of Afghanistan by: JOEL BRINKLEY.
https://www.startribune.com/opinion/101505674.html
When you make the implication, which you so often and regularly do, that because there were gays in the Third Reich means that all gays are Nazis is so offensive to anyone who craves truth telling that every reader of these pages should comment in protest of your constant accusations. You bear false witness against your neighbors, and you do so with full knowledge that you are doing it. I pray that the darkness in your heart will see the cleansing light of God’s wonderful love.
The Archbishop needs to clean up his own act as the scandal at the Most Holy Redeemer continues.
Pope Francis is not changing the Church’s teachings, he is merely focusing on the pastoral element of accepting each human being as a child of God and listening to teach individual’s story for how the black and white nature of Church teachings can sometime have some grey areas. The press gleefully jumped into this notion as an indicator that the Church was changing its teachings when nothing of the kind was taking place. There will be better context after next year’s Synod of the Family in Rome. Even so, I woulldn’t be surprised if Pope Francis jettisons the birth control teaching in favor of the responsible use of birth control to control family size for medical or economic reasons. The Catholic laity worldwide have already overturned the teaching within their own marriages, so the Pope could just ratify a change that should have been approved in 1968…..and caused mass departures from the Church in its wake.
Lucifer is the know it all of how to sell and promote bad causes. Jesus Christ is the Good Cause and the cause of our good. Man proposes but God disposes.
“Even so, I woulldn’t be surprised if Pope Francis jettisons the birth control teaching in favor of the responsible use of birth control to control family size for medical or economic reasons. The Catholic laity worldwide have already overturned the teaching within their own marriages.” = Age old rebellion = I will not serve, I will not trust, I will not hope, I will not love.
“Who is there that ever receives a gift and tries to make bargains about it? Let us, then, return thanks for what He has bestowed on us. Who can tell whether, if we had had a larger share of ability or stronger health, we should not have possessed them to our destruction.” Saint Alphonsus Liguori
Lest We Forget – Who the Leaders Were – Then & Now:
Most Holy Redeemer Catholic Church, in the heart of San Franciscos gay Castro community, was vandalized over the weekend by opponents of Proposition 8, the California resolution passed by voters in November that rejected gay marriage. Swastikas were painted on the church and the names Ratzinger (referring to Pope Benedict XVI) and Niederauer (the San Francisco Archbishop)
were scrawled besides the Nazi symbol.
In the wake of Proposition 8, innocent persons have been assaulted, churches have been vandalized, a white substance resembling anthrax was sent to the Knights of Columbus and to Mormon temples, supporters of traditional marriage have been branded Nazis, African-Americans have been called the N-word, houses and cars have been trashed, etc. Unfortunately, most of those in the gay community have been silent about these acts.
Part of the blame for the latest attack goes to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. Both Newsom and the Board have shown nothing but contempt for the First Amendment rights of Catholics. When crucifixes are sold as sex toys and Catholic sensibilities are assaulted by naked men in the street at the annual Folsom Street Fair, they say nothing. When gay men dressed as nuns show up at Mass at the same church they say nothing. But the Board was quite vocal about condemning the Catholic Church in 2006, something which led to a lawsuit triggered by the Catholic League and the Thomas More Law Center.
For those who love to write about root causes, let them ponder the guilt of these public officials. Moreover, leaders in the gay community show no leadership when it comes to denouncing incivility committed in the name of gay rights. This has got to end.
https://www.speroforum.com/a/17513/Gays-vandalize-San-Francisco-church#.Uof_Oyg5vdk
Gaystapo attacks on the Church mirror their incessant Mau Mauing of these forums – more to incite confusion & destruction from within than actual Schism.
Episcopal Congregations have seen similar attacks – where the ‘Happy’ preachers of Misandry (Hatred of Men & Boys, Masculinity and Normal Heterosexuality) at the pulpit (having won the building and bank accounts in court fights) outnumber the few in the pews
– and what’s left of the Congregation meets in a parking lot somewhere.
Fortunately – they have the Option to “Pope Up’ by entering full communion with the Catholic Faith
SSADly – infiltration by professional leeches massqueer-raiding as ‘catholics’ (small ‘c’) also attack the Faith from within – using what they spin as ‘Jesus Talk’…
– As a form of leftist / alinskyite propaganda, by appropriating ‘Christian’ phraseology as decoration for ObamAcorn Hate Pogroms
American Catholicism: A Schism Set in Amber
Bevil Bramwell, 11/17/13
One group tries to hold to all of the Catholic Church’s teachings. The other group holds to meanings of life from various social trends and uses words from scripture and tradition, but alter their content because they do not fit the trends.
The other group uses the words from the rites but often with very different meanings. To take one example, they use the word “Christ.”
Christ is just too true to be manifested partially.
Seeing the truth and its contradiction manifested alongside each other is grotesque, and, if one knows the meaning of schism, a sign of genuine evil.
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2013/american-catholicism-a-schism-set-in-amber.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Maybe Holy redeemer church in sanfranciso is the new church? Why else does it still exist? So people will come to accept sodomy in the church.