The use of location-based hookup apps by officials or employees of Church institutions could present serious security problems for the Church, even at the level of the Holy See’s diplomatic and international relations.
Analysis of commercially available signal data shows that during a period of 26 weeks in 2018, at least 32 mobile devices emitted serially occurring hookup or dating app data signals from secured areas and buildings of the Vatican ordinarily inaccessible to tourists and pilgrims.
At least 16 mobile devices emitted signals from the hookup app Grindr on at least four days between March to October 2018 within the non-public areas of the Vatican City State, while 16 other devices showed use of other location-based hookup or dating apps, both heterosexual and homosexual, on four or more days in the same time period.
Extensive location-based hookup or dating app usage is evident within the walls of Vatican City, in restricted areas of St. Peter’s Basilica, inside Vatican City government and Holy See’s administration buildings including those used by the Vatican’s diplomatic staff, in residential buildings, and in the Vatican Gardens, both during daytime hours and overnight.
Signals emitted from most of the Vatican’s extraterritorial buildings, which house the offices of several key Curial departments were excluded from analysis because of the proximity of tourists, pilgrims, and the general public to those buildings on a daily basis.
The use of any hookup app within the Vatican City State’s secured areas could pose a security risk for the Holy See. And use of the Grindr app among Vatican residents and officials and within the non-public areas of Vatican City State could present a particular diplomatic security risk for the Holy See in its dealings with China.
Grindr was launched in California, but acquired by the Chinese gaming firm Beijing Kunlun Tech in 2016 for $93 million.
While it was under Chinese ownership, the U.S. Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) deemed the app’s ownership a national security risk, over concerns that data from the app’s some 27 million users could be accessed by the Chinese government and used for blackmail.
The app was sold in 2020 to a company based in the United States for a reported $608 million, at the demand of the U.S. government.
While it was still under Chinese ownership, Grindr allowed third-party engineers access to the personal data of millions of U.S.-based users, including their personal details and HIV status, according to media reports last year.
Because Chinese law requires tech companies to provide access to national intelligence-gathering agencies, app data could be available to the Chinese government. Under intelligence and cybersecurity laws, Kunlun Tech could have been compelled to turn over the data from company servers to the Chinese government for any reason pertaining to “national security,” experts have warned.
That data could include user details, private messages exchanged between users, and evidence of sexual liaisons arranged between users.
Grindr has said that the company has “never disclosed any user data (regardless of citizenship) to the Chinese government nor do we intend to.”
But one former Grindr employee told Los Angeles magazine in 2019 that “there’s no world in which the People’s Republic of China is like, ‘Oh, yes, a Chinese billionaire is going to make all this money in the American market with all of this valuable data and not give it to us.’”
China-watchers warn that the country’s government is proactive and formidable in its online-surveillance and intelligence gathering.
“There is a rampant, habitual collection of and interception of internet communication and social media communications. Members of Congress were hacked,” Nina Shea, a former commissioner on the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, told The Pillar last week.
Shea, who also served as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations’ Commission on Human Rights, told The Pillar that “since the Vatican doesn’t have a military component, the Chinese are tracking their religious ideas, spying on local Church figures in order to keep them in line. Blackmail is certainly one of the cards they have that they would have no compunction in using.”
In 2018, the Holy See agreed to a two-year provisional deal with the Chinese government, granting Beijing a role in the selection and vetting of candidates for episcopal appointment in Chinese dioceses.
That deal, which was renewed in 2020, has been criticized for appearing to lend Vatican approval to efforts that force Catholic clergy in the country to acknowledge the Chinese Communist Party as the legitimate authority over Church affairs in China.
China has also moved to crack down on the exercise of civil liberties in Hong Kong, arresting several prominent Catholic pro-democracy activists and forcing the local diocese to issue warnings to Catholic priests and teachers to ensure sufficiently patriotic content in homilies and classrooms.
Vatican City State policy does not presently prohibit employees or residents from the use of location-based hookup apps, even within secured locations connected to diplomatic responsibilities, Vatican officials have told The Pillar.
The above comes from a July 27 story by The Pillar.
You know this is just to ridiculous already with the gay influence infesting the Vatican, so Pope Francis goes after loyal and believing Church members who love the Traditional Latin Mass yet still the gay lobby inside the Vatican continues its perversion. I never wanted to believe that so many clergy cardinals, priests, and bishops were gay and active within the Church it is so clear now that this is the truth and utterly disgusting to no end.
To be charitable, non-clerics do work in the Vatican.
To be realistic, the Chinese had already hacked Vatican computers immediately preceding the Vatican’s renewal agreement that gave the Chinese control over the Church in China. Does anyone think that the Chinese would be ignorant of this latest information? In truth, they know much more than this.
Come to think of it, I wonder if the Chinese have an opinion about the TLM?
No focus on the sexual immorality.
The Vatican is a walled city. How many illegal immigrants do they let in every year? None. How ironic that the current leadership there wants to lecture other countries about their immigration policies and the “evil” leaders who want to build walls. Same with the politicians in this country who talk about the evil of building walls, while retreating to their gated communities. Do as I say, not as I.do.
Dear Duke. You might want to rethink your logic. https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/world/vatican-walls/index.html
The fruits of pachamama worship.
The fruits of the worship of the god Pan, also. His worship, along with demented worship of some other gods and goddesses always leads to pandemic – disease, fear, rot and death. A Christian portray of the devil with horns, goat legs and hooves and a tail come from his him. What people do not realize is that the pagans often saw their god and goddesses at times. Maybe just their imagination, but more likely a demon presentation. We become what we worship.
Not a fan of the Chinese but I don’t see how they can be blamed for the immoral behavior of the Clergy.
The Chinese did not force any of them to use the Grindr app. It was their conscious decision.
Communists, including Chinese Communists, are delighted to encourage immorality in countries to bring them down, so they can blackmail and control.
Cardinal Kung served the Traditional Mass at one time. May he, through the mercy of God rest in peace.
I think Cardinal Zin did or does the same. Cardinal Zin has not denied the validity of the Vatican II mass, to my knowledge, when done properly done. There are many who do not like the Traditional Latin Mass because they cannot fool with the rubrics as much, and they do not like the orthodox moral teachings that come with it.
Anne TE,
I think it’s reasonable to consider that the Chinese hate the TLM. The Chinese hate Cardinal Zen, and Zen likes the TLM. Furthermore, the Chinese hate the underground Catholic Church in China [what’s left of it]. And, it reasonable that Chinese Intelligence would know that practitioners of the TLM are those free Christians who would become part of an underground Church in any future Chinese acquired territories.
Don’t blame the Chinese. They’re just taking good advantage of the stupidity of others, laxness, and anything else to promote the Communist agenda. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So, yeah, immoral hookups with amazing blackmail potential, would be considered a friend to the Chinese. (At least those Communists who want to keep China red.)
James Matin’s response is that this is a problem of homophobia. He seems to have no problem with the sexual immorality. We can probably expect another pat on the back from Francis
Ironic that the priest involved in the Grindr scandal was from the same diocese as Father Altman. Let’s call the bishop of La Crosse and ask whose priestly faculties has he removed: the priest involved in a grave homosexual scandal, or the one who unapologetically preaches the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Francis will ignore and cover up yet another homosexual scandal in the Church. He is probably too busy to address it because he is focused on real evils in the Church like the Latin Mass.
The corruption in the Vatican continues to spiral out of control.
So the focus is on “security risk”, not on the risk of souls going to hell.
We need to remove the term “holy” from the Holy See, since there seems to be little that is holy taking place there. You know, like the term “Catholic” is used for “Catholic” colleges like Notre Dame.
I cannot understand this. Any type of “business”– free or for money– that facilitates prostitution or “hookups,” including “gay hookup apps”– should be totally illegal in every country. What a horrible thing. And it is a horrific mortal sin against Our Blessed Lord– especially at the Vatican, and at St. Peter’s Basilica. Are children and young, underage boys tragic victims of this horfific “gay hookup app?” I well remember the days when the Vatican had strict rules. And lots of respect for God. Why on earth doesn’t the Holy See block all computer Satanic evils, and require heavy punishments for those who break such laws??
grindr is a social networking and dating app for gay, bi, trans people. Sometimes it is called a hookup app because many people on the app are not looking for committed relationships. It is not prostitution, although I suppose any dating app could be used by a prostitute.
So what do “LGBTs” do with this app? It was presented in the news stories as a means to connect with others in sexual “hookups.” What exactly, was Msgr. Burrill doing with this infamous app, then?? Meeting “LGBTs” for having only social conversations? When the app “blinks,” does that mean someone just wants to talk to you, socially– and that’s all? Then, what exactly was Msgr. Burrill doing? Sounds like he was reported to be running around, his “gay” app constantly blinking, racing to gay “hookups” all the time.
I don’t use dating apps. Those I know who tried them have never gotten a date.
I do not know Msgr. Burrill so I do not know what he does.
Gossip – casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.
So when the media reports on situations, it is considered news, but when individuals comment on those news reports, you consider that gossip. So when the saints of the past pointed out errors in the Church in the past, they were gossiping? That sounds like a tactic that bishops would use to hide corruption that is going on. Just call everything “gossip”.
Interestingly, I’m not able to up or down vote any comments today.
I was not able to do one of them that was newer, but some of the others worked including yours. That happens now and then.
Using grindr could be a near occasion of sin.
Gossip is a sin.
Sins of omission could be committed by pretending Grindr is harmless to clergy. Yes, they’re grown men, but when the laity is charged with footing the onerous bill of priests-behaving-badly, we have a right and a duty to keep tabs.
pgmgn, you are trying to justify something unjustifiable. God sees everything. You do not need to keep tabs. It is not your right and it is not your duty.
mynamesis,
If we’re footing the bills for misbehavior, we have a right to know that certain occasions of unrighteous behavior are not readily provided to our clergy.
Temptation.
We have a compelling interest in knowing which prelates are compromised. The moral problem is his, the financial fallout will be the Church’s. The spiritual damage is incalculable.
Remember everyone it’s the Traditional Latin Mass with packed pews and standing room only of believing Catholics that is divisive and causing disunity according to Pope Francis not gay priests and bishops come on guys get with it.
Romulus again needs to be corrected. He says “it’s the Traditional Latin Mass…that is divisive and causing disunity according to Pope Francis.” Wrong. The Holy Father never wrote that. Do not put words in the Holy Father’s mouth.
The divisiveness is in the hearts and minds of many people who go to the Extraordinary Form by abusing this beautiful Mass, turning attendance to it as a statement against Vatican II.
Read what Pope Francis actually wrote: “But I am nonetheless saddened that the instrumental use of Missale Romanum of 1962 is often characterized by a rejection not only of the liturgical reform, but of the Vatican Council II itself, claiming, with unfounded and unsustainable assertions, that it betrayed the Tradition and the ‘true Church’”. Romulus Augustus stands corrected.
“….with unfounded and unsustainable assertions.”
Unfounded and unsustainable according to the Holy Father who patently refuses to clarify VII teachings outside quoting himself.
“Because I said so,” is not the mark of a good father, especially not when the kids are old enough.
Likewise, pgmgn, harping on and emphasizing the deficiencies of one’s own father–whether those deficiencies are true or untrue—is not the mark of a respectful child.
Yet we are not his children and do not need to act as such. To question or disagree is not disrespectful, you should know this jon.
Belonging to the Church is not the same as belonging to a political party where you get to pick and choose which platform you’d like to support. The aim of the Church is unity with God and unity within the Church. Disagreeing with the Supreme Pontiff, disagreeing with the Church, is tantamount to disagreeing with the voice of God on Earth.
“Disagreeing with the Supreme Pontiff . . . is tantamount to disagreeing with the voice of God on Earth.” Give me a break.
Listen, Seitz, to the words of Our Lord addressing His disciples, into whose offices the preset Pope and bishops have assumed: “He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth Me; and he that despiseth Me, despiseth Him that sent Me.” (Luke 10:16). d the bishops. Listen to the living Magisterium.
Jon – If there is no limit or exception to disagreeing with the Supreme Pontiff then by your own logic, you must mirror all of his personal thoughts, tastes and behaviors.
Luke 10:16
“He who hears you, hears me.”
NonJon, faith and morals. You know this.
He also is the head of the Church.
jon,
You seem to be saying that everything out of the Pope’s mouth is Magisterial teaching. This belief is not Catholic, contrary to the Magisterium, and makes a man into God.
He is the Vicar of Christ. Do you know what the word vicar means?
Everything he says is not from God.
Catholics (only some, apparently) know how to discern that.
Popes are very specific when they are teaching infallibly or otherwise.
Even if he is not teaching infallibly, Catholics owe him docility.
Official things come from official channels. They do not come through atheistic interviewers who don’t take notes.
Jon,
It’s not ‘harping’ on the Holy Father to ask him to do his job.
Jon, I have never been to a TLM but have been reading various and sundry commentary on the pope’s reasoning.. Based on what I have read, it is very possible to doubt the pope’s assessment of TLMers. What would substantiate his case would be a thorough publication of his claimed survey of the bishops to find out if a careful analysis of the results really warranted his motu propio. I for the time being await such a publication and commentary of those both in support and opposed to Francis. Meanwhile, Romulus Augustus sarcastic comment opens up the necessary discussion of the pope’s inconsistency in dealing negatively with some of the sheep (TLMers and the underground Chinese Catholics, personified in Cardinal Zen) but positively with clerics etc. friendly to the LBGTQ+ juggernaut. This is a very very serious problem and I await Francis’ explanation for this travesty.
People: For informed and dutiful people like me who have been reading about and observing over the years the disobedience, dissent, and divisiveness of many who go exclusively to the Extraordinary Form, there is simply no need for the kind of “substantiation” that “Dan” here thinks he needs.
Jon, try taking the whole of scripture into account:
Matthew 16:23 Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men
Or are you, Jon, advocating that we must follow Peter this far:
Matthew 26:69-75
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
69 But Peter sat without in the court: and there came to him a servant maid, saying: Thou also wast with Jesus the Galilean.
70 But he denied before them all, saying: I know not what thou sayest.
71 And as he went out of the gate, another maid saw him, and she saith to them that were there: This man also was with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I know not the man.
73 And after a little while they came that stood by, and said to Peter: Surely thou also art one of them; for even thy speech doth discover thee.
74 Then he began to curse and to swear that he knew not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus which he had said: Before the cock crow, thou wilt deny me thrice. And going forth, he wept bitterly.
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In your zeal for the Lord, jon, are you saying that Christ demands that we deny Him in order to follow Him? Please explain and don’t skip on any details. I eagerly await your tutelage on the matter.
Luke 22:31-32 “Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
jon is a “yes-man” to a corrupt regime
Absolutely no surprise here. But maybe additional fuel for the acknowledgement that China owns many things.
Oh? Which regime is that?
Honey, they don’t know the difference between a pontificate and a regime. They don’t understand any of this.
“yes-man”=pachamama idols, grindr, gay hookups, pedophilia, altar boy-rape, communion for baby killers, “anything goes” … but hate jpii, b16, tlm…catholic-hater, fake pontifex…anti-christ
Read the writings of Benedict XVI and John Paul II.
Pray the prayers of the TLM. Especially those for the Pope and the Church.
Yes, exactly!
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