The following comes from a December 7 Voice of the Family post:
Archbishop Fisichella, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization, has stirred controversy by suggesting that some criticisms of Pope Francis might result in automatic excommunication.
Archbishop Fisichella made his remarks while explaining how Pope Francis’s new “Missionaries of Mercy” will operate.
In reference to Canon 1370, which imposes automatic excommunication for “physical violence” against the Roman Pontiff, Archbishop Fisichella said:
“I would say that we need to understand well ‘physical violence,’ because sometimes words, too, are rocks and stones, and therefore I believe some of these sins, too, are far more widespread than we might think.”
Archbishop Fisichella’s comments will be interpreted by many as an attempt to silence faithful Catholics who are deeply concerned by the direction currently being taken by those who hold offices at the highest levels of the Church.
The following comes from a December 7 In the Light of the Law blog post responding to Archbishop Rino Fisichella’s comments:
Most words are not crimes
I am not sure what Archbishop Rino Fisichella meant when he said that “we need to understand well ‘physical violence’ [against the pope] because sometimes words, too, are rocks and stones, and therefore I believe some of these sins, too, are far more widespread than we might think.” I am guessing that Fisichella might be thinking that ‘harsh language’ against the pope is a canonical crime that makes one liable to excommunication. If so, he is mistaken.
Besides Canon 17 that requires canons to be understood in accord with the proper meaning of their words, and Canon 18 that requires penal canons to be read strictly (i.e., as narrowly as reasonably possible), and Canon 221 § 3 that protects the faithful against canonical penalties not authorized by law, the whole of Book Six of the 1983 Code is redolent with an emphasis (some might say, to an exaggerated degree) on benignity in the application of penalties in the Church.
Now, Canon 1370 criminalizes “vim physicam” against the pope, not “verba aspera” or variants thereon, and I know of no canonical commentary that includes “words” as a species of “physical force” in this context. Indeed, the CLSA New Commentary, the Exegetical Commentary, the Ancora Commentary, and the Urbaniana Commentary—at which point I stopped looking—expressly exclude ‘verbal violence’ from the range of actions penalized under Canon 1370.
The Archbishop’s position is a bit of a stretch. Faithful Catholics are not required to agree with a Pope’s every utterance. This is room for freedom in the Church. Pope Francis knows this and, in fact, has promoted robust discussion regarding various issues.
It greatly depends on the intent of the individual, to a small degree. Perhaps one should take up the argument with He who said these words, which I paraphrase: ” I give you a new commandment, love the Lord, your God, with all of your heart and soul. And, love all others as you love the self. Then He taught, if we so much as harbor ill feelings toward another, Pope, or not, we have committed murder with words spoken, written, or thought. SO there is a caveat even for those “faithful” Catholics. Each day I become more and more amazed at the number of laity who have risen to become a member of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. The funny thing is they all come from one place on the planet: the United States of America. They…
….and yet, Father, the Pope himself has said that those who insult one’s mother are asking for a punch in the nose. We also have the reality of CCC 675 staring us in the face. We are also admonished via scripture to beware of blind guides and to judge a tree by its fruits. Combine this with the warning of angels of light preaching different gospels, and, well – it’s a mess.
Perhaps you should look at why you are amazed and juxtapose that against the authentic magisterium and the utter destruction of Faith/Morals in the Untied States. Take a moment to understand the culture that so mystifies you and then, perhaps, you won’t be so amazed.
So its not funny at all, Father Chris, but rather understandable.
“…And you, fathers, provoke not your children to anger.”
There is culpability all around, Father Chris. And playing Fascist dictator when one has encouraged utter confusion and doublespeak is to deny the reality of who is creating the problem.
Fr. Chris – no Catholic is the Magisterium.
We are all required to adhere to Sacred Scripture, and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition” (aka CCC; 1997) – which is from the Magisterium.
If you have not been encouraging Laity to read these at home – shame on you.
The problem is that many of you Priests are not doing your job.
No one is harboring ill feelings toward the Pope or anyone else.
Many simply disagree with the Pope’s personal political opinions – most of which have nothing or little to do with Doctrine of the Faith.
Must be a heavy cross to have such a thin skin! Such overkill, they should be embarrassed to promote this vindictive course. Every leader gets criticized and it doesn’t mean the criticizer wants the leader harmed. None of us is unassailable, grow up.
Spoken like a true protestant liberal Bob! Thanks for showing us your true colors on liberation theology.
If I am excommunicated for criticizing the actions and words of Pope Francis, so be it! I believe that I have a duty to speak out.
I’ll wait to see if and what Pope Francis has to say about what the Archbishop is telling the world.
Scratch a liberal, get a fascist.
While our civil authorities reinterpret civil laws to dominate their citizens, the canon law of the church has safeguards so that prelates cannot do so to us.
“Canon 17 that requires canons to be understood in accord with the proper meaning of their words, and Canon 18 that requires penal canons to be read strictly (i.e., as narrowly as reasonably possible), and Canon 221 § 3 that protects the faithful against canonical penalties not authorized by law, the whole of Book Six of the 1983 Code is redolent with an emphasis (some might say, to an exaggerated degree) on benignity in the application of penalties in the Church.” (from canonist Edward Peters)
Canonically, people could be excommunicated for this absurd reason, but it would probably not hold up in an ecclesiastical court. The law must be rational, just, reasonable, and probably dealing with faith, moral or liturgical matters, in order for it to be enforced. Just to disagree with a papal idea or theory is not cause for such a tremendous punishment such as excommunication.
No, Father Karl—- Catholics could NOT be “canonically” excommunicated for the reasons Archbishop Fisichella suggests.
Perhaps he was thinking of the people arrested for threatening the Pope. That might qualify as reasonable grounds for automatic excommunication due to spoken words.
JonJ do not try to put words in the mouths of others.
All are educated and able to speak for themselves.
December 7, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) quotes canonist Edward Peters, in response to Abp Fisichella’s threats of excommunication for those who essentially criticize P Francis.
‘ [Peter states], “I am guessing that Fisichella might be thinking that ‘harsh language’ against the pope is a canonical crime that makes one liable to excommunication. If so, he is mistaken.”’
This pontifical regime along with all its extremist flaks is employing the same effort to silence criticism that the US and European socialist juntas employ.
“The Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of God and Our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he is found to have deviated from the Faith.” (Paul IV, papal bull, Cum ex apostolato officio (1559).
“…may nonetheless be contradicted if he is found to have deviated from the Faith.” Think: the secular atheist doctrine of “climate-change”, his softening of the permanency of the marriage bond, as well as his preoccupation with a world authority who will force wealth redistribution (Laudato Si).
And where did you obtain your Ph. D. in climatology? Climate is not weather. They are two totally and completely different animals. One has spots, the other stripes. Fifty years ago I could head up into the Rockies and spend a day at St. Mary’s glacier, no more; it is gone. There are glaciers in Alaska which one could not traverse fifty years ago, they are now easily traversed. The Ross Ice shelf, gone. The amount of ice and snow melt is in the hundreds of tons annually. We, human kind, has a tremendous fiduciary responsibility when it comes to shepherding this planet. We may either do as the unwise virgins; or worse yet, the bad servants, keeping our heads in the sand taking as fact false data from those with an interest…
Who knows, Fr. Chris? Perhaps if we followed God’s laws and were fruitful and multiplied (and truly evangelized the world instead of hiding the Faith under a lead bucket), said fruitfulness would ‘overpopulate’ the earth and force us all by way of need to explore the galaxy. Needs must and all that.
The shortsighted vision of saving ‘mother’ earth may stunt the growth Our Lord desires.
I can only imagine the world summit meetings that will happen when technology enables mankind to live on mars or perhaps elsewhere. Will the Gospel be acceptable then? Will we be wise virgins to follow God’s laws then and have children and subdue the earth? I wonder.
Fr, Chris – it sounds like you have lost your way.
Your job is to SAVE SOULS for eternity.
S’ok, Seth: as you can see, Fr. Chris sanctimoniously worships the “Ph.D’s in climatology”, as though all the rest of us in our mud and wattle huts cannot possibly enter the inner sanctum of facts and data and sift through the climate-fraud going on.
Now, Fr. Chris relies on anecdotal data (“St. Mary’s glacier”; “Ross Ice Shelf”) and ignores that the Antarctic ice sheet has been growing (even attested by NASA):
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
Now, were one to have a Ph.D in climatology, and we wouldn’t agree with this fraud, Fr. Chris, a Believer (in secular-atheist climate-science-as-dogma) would call us a Denier.
It all makes sense to me: when you lose…
Father are you kidding me ? So when will Francis speak about how cows passing gas is harming the environment and those who own them are living a sinful life contributing to the problem. This is how silly the current papacy and most from the Vatican have become. Seth, I couldn’t agree more and the faithful should be putting these people in there place. Shame on those in the church who are putting so called climate change front and center. Where is the Catholic Church heading ?
“If he (POPE) speaks about the environment, the climate, the economy, immigrants, etc., he is working from information that may be correct, or mistaken,
but [in these cases] he is speaking as Obama speaks, or another president,” Cdl. Sarah explained.
“It doesn’t mean that what he says on the economy is dogma, something we need to follow. It’s an opinion.” – Cardinal Robert Sarah, Prefect Congregation for Worship.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/cdl.-sarah-if-theres-no-repentance-theres-no-mercy#disqus_thread
To MAC- I agree with Cardinal Sarah! Thanks for this information!
Cardinal Sarah is correct. But I would add that if we disagree with the Holy Father’s views on the causes of climate change, we do so respectfully.
Cardinal Sarah is correct. But I would stress that, if we disagree with the Holy Father on the causes of climate change, we do so respectfully.
Just another example of how diabolic disorientation has affected the Church at all levels. It also is a clear example that progressives/leftists in politics and religion are totalitarians at heart.
God bless you, Fr. Michael, for consistently lending proof to the reality that not all clerics are leftist/progressives.
Whoever approved that despicable light show at the Vatican should be excommunicated. The celebration of paganism at St. Peter’s?! Blasphemous.
OPEN LETTER TO POPE FRANCIS FROM A FORMER MEMBER OF THE ROMAN CURIA
By OnePeterFive
https://www.onepeterfive.com/open-letter-to-pope-francis-from-a-former-member-of-the-roman-curia/
To Catherine– I enjoyed reading this “Open Letter,” and agree with the author, the former Vatican chaplain! Thanks!
Catherine supports an anonymous writer?
You don’t think it is that former member of the curia- that gay priest, trying to hide homoheresy?
Our prayers are being answered.
https://www.copiosa.org/liguori_sermons/liguori_sermon_12.htm
God is Unchangeable, and all that He has Ordained by His Holy Will from Eternity, He Wills now and will do so Forever. “Surely I, the Lord, do not Change” (Matthew 3:6).
God is Powerful; and in comparison with God, all the Power of Creatures is but Weakness.
God is Wise; and in comparison with God, all Human Wisdom is Ignorance.
God is Provident; and in comparison with God, all Human Foresight is Ridiculous.
God is Just; and in comparison with God, all Human Justice is Defective.
God is Merciful; and in comparison with God, all Human Clemency is Imperfect.
Tom: I’ve been a faithful Catholic for over 60 years! You will not find any books on liberation theology on my bookshelves. God Bless You!
The headline is very misleading.
Papal critics have not been threatened with excommunication.
Of course.
I get that it makes an eye-catching headline, but really…
Nobody should have fallen for that one.
“Anonymous” (Dec 9, 2015 8:13pm) must mean “Blind Denial” in Sanskrit or some other ancient language. Fisichella clearly attempts to authoritatively link “words” [of criticism of the Pope] as though equivalent with acts of “physical violence” against the Pope—the latter being of course grave matter involving excommunication: but read his clever statement for yourself at aleteia.org:
https://aleteia.org/2015/12/05/missionaries-of-mercy-what-does-pope-francis-mean-by-them/
He just got “called” on it, by pretty mainline people, including canonist Ed Peters.
Pope Francis does not seem to be the kind of Pope who would want to go around excommunicating anyone! Instead, he seems to want to make peace with everyone, be friends with everyone, and preach so-called “tolerance” for everyone’s views— no matter who they are! Even to be friends with those who are hostile, or absurdly anti-Catholic, in our Church! So, I have no idea as to what this news article really means!
Is the archbishop in this article trying to say, that perhaps Pope Francis may be thinking of excommunicating those who disagreed with him and tried to uphold Church teaching, in the Synod on the Family?? Or something similar to that?? Well, I do not think the Holy Father thinks that way! I do not think it is true, that he feels so threatened by such criticisms! I think he views it all as normal! And what about Pope (emeritis) Benedict? He felt he was severely challenged health-wise (and perhaps in other ways, too!) and simply decided to resign!
No, of course not.
You don’t get excommunicated for disagreeing with the Pope, unless of course you disagree obstinately on something that must be believed with a divine and Catholic Faith (like the articles of the Creed), then you could incur an automatic excommunication for heresy.
Tell that to Galileo
Galileo was wrong. He was not wrong in his conclusion, but he was wrong in his theory as to how it came about. It took other scientists to prove his conclusion right with the proper methods and theories, or whatever you want to call them. Galileo got into trouble with the pope because the Holy Father at that time asked him not to publish yet what he could not prove, and some of the other scientists agreed with the pope because they knew Galileo’s theory was wrong.
Doesn’t matter. The Church abused its authority by putting Galileo on trial and putting him in house imprisonment until his death.
…kind of like the abuse of authority in play now to suppress doctrine?
Surely, we should all rise up against such rampant abuse of authority and position, especially when it is the Way, the Truth and the Life facing unjust imprisonment. (Galileo was, after all, just a man. Not God.)
But who will advocate for Him? Those who do are shouted down in often the most uncharitable of terms.
Cardinal Sarah is correct. But I would add that if we disagree with the Holy Father’s views on the causes of climate change, we do so respectfully.
To Ann T: I’m confused. WHAT was wrong with Galileo’s theory that the earth revolves around the sun?
He wasn’t excommunicated.
And what Anonymous claims (Dec 10, 2015 10:53am: although I think he posts under another name usually) is NOT what Fisichella tried to assert: read his statement for yourself at aleteia.org and you see he averred that “words” of criticism were “equivalent” to physical acts of violence against the pope, therefore matter subject to excommunication:
https://aleteia.org/2015/12/05/missionaries-of-mercy-what-does-pope-francis-mean-by-them/
Fisichella is just a flak for the justifiably highly-criticized, often bizarre, statements of this pontiff: and the heat of criticism is obviously getting to them all. It is a shameful assertion to try to stifle speech from these hypocritical, self-congratulatory modern lefties.
Do you not even understand the basics of the article?
Anonymous Dec 11, 2015: 2:49pm (“Do you not even understand…”) = Words randomly arranged with a question mark.
No facts, no reasoning, just a a pretense of superior understanding, full of portent, signifying nothing.
So, we have the proof: Anonymous” must mean “Blind Denial” in Sanskrit or some other ancient language. Fisichella clearly attempts to authoritatively link “words” [of criticism of the Pope] as though equivalent with acts of “physical violence” against the Pope—the latter being of course grave matter involving excommunication: but read his clever statement for yourself at aleteia.org:
https://aleteia.org/2015/12/05/missionaries-of-mercy-what-does-pope-francis-mean-by-them/
This news article really seems wrong, in the Holy Father’s Year of Mercy, which he just initiated, Dec. 8th! He even gave SSPX priests the ability to hear confessions validly, and gave all priests, worldwide, the ability to forgive the sin of abortion!
Do you remember when the bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska excommunicated certain Catholics? And then the bishop of Hawaii did the same, but the Holy See overturned the decision. So, excommunications can happen, but they can be very quickly overturned, Caritas.
Orwellian or just silly bombast? Don’t know, but something sure smells Fishichella.
Great line, Hymie. And the Fisichella rots from the head down, too.
Cheers. And Granny Hawkins was most succinct (the youtube link).
Again, this papacy grows increasingly very thin-skinned about criticism, e.g. PF’s many excoriations, even as he/they dish out criticism that has reached a fairly unparalleled level of meanness and lack of charity; So, thus a need to send out Abp. Fisichella to falsely accuse and threaten loyal Catholics. PF, who has attacked “neurotic priests” or “unfruitful bachelors”, nuns as “old maids” (vitelle), and ideological opponents as “self-absorbed Promethean neo-Pelagians,” who recently claimed he is “afraid” of Catholics who believe in absolute truth, is increasingly veering out of control.
Is it the rumored illness he is suffering from, that is affecting him, so vigorously denied by Fr. Lombardi (so very likely true)? Something…
Look at these words, this rhetoric: is this the language of a “Papa” to the Catholic Faith? Of course not.
Now even stating these facts are “haaateful” to the phony papal defenders: sell-outs who don’t care what this does to the long-term persuasive influence of the Church and the papacy anyway. We went through all that in the Phoenix diocese with a really bad bishop (not the present excellent one) who treated with a blind eye the scandal and abuse of his selected priests (trad priests were deep-sixed right away for no scandal at all), and who hit people with threats of excommunication and actual court orders through his proxies.
But the facts they remain nonetheless: they are alarmed by criticism and cant bear it.
By the way, someone asked where PF called nuns “old maids”/”spinsters” –he actually had the chutzpah to call a meeting of international sisters’ orders to their face “vitelle” (Italian”) on or about May 8, 2013:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/10044452/Pope-Francis-urges-nuns-not-to-be-old-maids.html
He also did in again on another occasion, reported in the now-infamous America interview Sept. 30, 2013, where he recalls looking at nuns and wondering if they are “old maids”, “spinsters”:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/10044452/Pope-Francis-urges-nuns-not-to-be-old-maids.html
Michael Savage, in his provocative book “Government Zero” makes a compelling point that, at the same time our present government demands absolute authority, powers, taxation and legal control, it is “government-zero”: meaning it provides zero law enforcement and zero protections (unless one is entitled, by being in a special politically-designated class),zero relief from its bureaucratic burdns, and most of all, zero representation. Absolute Zero on that. The quite-regal political class goes its own way and makes quite its own decisions, and just-too-bad-for-you. Think Obama, David Cameron, Hollande, and especially Empress Merkel as the principals in this new world order designated by “government-zero.”
I have now come to think that there is also Papacy-Zero: fabulous unlimited authority to weigh in on climate-change, economic re-distribution, support for a “world authority” (Laudato Si, n. 175), —-just about any frivolous thing—-all backed by the Papacy-Zero, all to our direct personal and spiritual detriment; Vatican bureaucracies peopled by demons like Catholic-hating Naomi Klein and radicals Timothy Radcliffe & Hans Joachim Schellnhuber; along with the demand that we each absolutely, morally, and economically support these fabulous Golden Calves — and we get out of this exactly what? Zero. No traditional Church teaching, no example of profound commitment to Jesus Christ, no inspiration that there is indeed a God: zero for the…
…zero for the ordinary Catholic believer.
…
You can call it Church-Zero, Leadership Zero, but it stems from the top, so I keep settling on Papacy-Zero.
Ah, a secular-atheist-climate-change Believer (“Fr.” Chris, 12/12/15 6:15pm) (or “global warming?” Or is it a “Coming Ice-Age”, as was proudly predicted in the 1970’s):
https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley/
The theories keep changing because the predictions are ALWAYS wrong) Believer among the Ordained! Hoo-rah!
Silly Pastor Aeternus (1870), IV.6 that says neither the Pontiff nor the Church can “disclose some new doctrine”: Yay, Fr. Chris, make up anything, teach it from the pulpit! Hoo-rah! Go, Secular-Atheist-Agenda and its accolytes! Work harder, to fulfill Christ’s Q: “When the Son of Man returns, will there be any faith left…
Another collection of comments that try to debunk science. Science is true even if you don’t believe it. Another collection of comments that try to debunk basic teachings of the Church. Economic systems that don’t provide adequate income to support a family, provide good housing, make food available to working people has been condemned by the church for centuries. Catholic teaching has always encouraged taking care of the poor, limiting the over-control of the rich, speaking out to save our planet. None of these subjects are out of bounds of Catholic faith, they are our faith.
When the science of climate change is actually settled – not merely reacted to by government officials intent on social engineering – get back to us, Bob One.
That’s why we need to pray for the Pope and priests. Those who convert the head to fuzzy views can easily mislead a great many.
Yay, yet again, Fr. Chris, go for the secular-atheist new-doctrine-defining (small “c”) church—Bob One is right in there with you, cheering you on. At least you will have one person in the pews.
And nice job, Bob One, connecting economics with global-climate-change (or is it warming, as Fr. Chris, says, which is melting all the glaciers)? Or is it global-freezing, as the “Ph.D’s” you both worship intoned in the 70’s?
Or maybe it is all a fraud, as satellite data (the most accurate unfiddled-with) shows, contrary to all the hyperventilating-climate-theists aver, because there has been no warming for the past 18 years:
https://www.naturalnews.com/045005_global_warming_climate_change_greenhouse_effect.html.
God said, “Fiat lux!: And it was. And Fr. Chris and Bob One solemnly intone, “Fiat fraud!” And, boy was there ever.
False teachers shall arise and deceive many (Mt. 24:11). Teach on!
“Please strive to be civil.”
No strive. Do.
You do understand, CCD Anonymous, that the title of the Vatican “light show” Dec. 8th organized by the radical environmentalist publicity corp, Vulcan, Inc of Seattle, WA, was “Fiat Lux: Illuminating Our Common Home?” Vulcan, along with the Okeanos Foundation, believe the Ocean is a spirit, and the latter organization makes accusations of “climate sins”(they took it down off their website now):
So, Fiat lux, Fiat fraud, and false teachers today abound (Mt. 24:11). Don’t hyperventilate at me, find out the facts yourself.
Have you ever asked yourself why you care so much what others think, say and do?
Hypocrisy, thy name is Anonymous (Dec 15th riposte).
George in LA, what Christian isn’t?
Even St. Paul said he was.
George in LA, it was not a riposte. Or a snotty comment.
It was a question for his reflection and I don’t expect him to answer.
And since I do ask myself if I care what someone think, says or does, why I care and also, what response the Lord would have me make, I don’t think I am a hypocrite…on that, at least.
And on hypocrisy in general, a hypocrite is not always wrong. Often people know better than they do. If I tell someone to read the Bible when I don’t do it myself, I would be a hypocrite. But it would still be good advice. If a gay priest tells people that it is sinful to engage in gay sex acts while he himself is doing it, he would be a hypocrite but he would not be incorrect.
Steve, just one of many pictures: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjn6fi3kN3JAhVUzGMKHeqRCj0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fholyland-inc.tripod.com%2Fisrael-environment%2Fglobalwarming.html&psig=AFQjCNHalw4xIz8vKuxBGBXMsQ1RzEGg3A&ust=1450243515116238
Anyone can google images of melting glassiers. It really is true that the world is warming up..
Bob One, you and Fr. Chris are Climate-Change-Believers, so besides being unable to even check the proper spelling of “glacier” (“glassiers”, your spelling, unless you mean, “glazier”, a person who is a glass-installer), any facts to the contrary (like the advancing Antarctica ice-sheet—which fact you ignored) are dismiss as utterly irrelevant.
However, there was a world-wide 2+ deg. Increase between 900AD-1350AD, at the end of which period the Anasazi, the desert dwelling Indians of Arizona, left the desert for the elevations of the N. Arizona plateau. No industry to cause this, right? Irrelevant.
The “Little Ice Age” followed this, from roughly 1400 to 1850. Did “industry” cause this? Irrelevant
From 1850 to 1940, the…
And you are silly enough to believe that man can control the weather. The “climate change” scam is nothing more than rigged game of the global elites to take more money and property from those who have acquired.
“False teachers shall arise and deceive many (Mt. 24:11)”
Excellent posts, Steve Phoenix! God bless you! You are right, that was not a light show at the Vatican. That was a deliberate sign/show of darkness. “Fiat Fraud indeed!” When many Catholic churches were mysteriously being burned down, a Catholic physician, in Arizona said, “Many of these fires take place on an important Feast Day of the the Blessed Mother. Large video screen shot photos of slimy toads and lizards on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception show how Christ’s True Church is being horrifically assaulted from within.
Oh: Not all the ordained who comment here, by any means, are “the ordained-elite”, sorry. Fr. Perozich, Fr. Michael, Fr. Karl, all of you (and others) have constructive and thoughtful things to say and engage in an exchange.
It is just the view by some others, down their nasal-ski-slope at us Who’s in Whoville, simply and rankly, reeks.
From 1850 to 1940, the earth warmed about 1 degree. The warmest decade in the US was actually the 1930’s. Yet US industry then was a fraction of industry now. Irrelevant.
38 states recorded their all-time highs before 1960. The hottest year on record in the US was 1934. How do you explain, this Fr. Chris and Acolyte Bob O.? Irrelevant.
Phil Jones (E. Anglia Univ), co-worker of discredited “hockey-stick” theorist Michael Mann—whose colleagues have criticized Mann for “adjusting” data—finally admitted in 2010 that there has been no significant global warming. (London Daily Mail, 2/14/2010, “Climate U-Turn”, J. Petre. Irrelevant.
From 1850 to present, the best that can be determined (accurate temperature-taking really only dates from the 1980’s) is that world temperatures MAY have increased .7 degree—-but almost 90% of that change was prior to 1940. Irrelevant. Dismissable. Deniable. So, who are the real “Deniers”?
More interesting are all the false claims of the climate-religion. British zoologist Charles Elton predicted in 1959 an imminent “rain of death”. Rachel Carson took up this lie and wrote her appallingly threatening novel “Silent Spring” (1962) predicting the imminent end of animal life, then human life, on earth.
“Population Bomber” Paul Erlich predicted “100’s of millions will starve to death in the 1970’s and 1980’s.” Michael…
.” Michael Mann, the fabricator of the “hockey-stick graph” was smarter: he predicts sea levels will rise 6-9’: but now he got smart and puts it “at the end of the century” (2100 AD). Too late then to check him. Irrelevant. In 2007, Al Gore definitively predicted “all arctic ice will be gone by 2014”. Oops.
In 1996, atheist Carl Sagan asserted, ”Separately, neither science nor religion could solve the problem of redeeming the environment from the shortsightedness of he last few decades.” Hence, the rise of the National Religious Partnership for the Environment (NRPE) in 1994 which has gone into every religious Christian and Jewish denomination, including every Catholic parish in the US, to provide clergy with talking points,…
, including every Catholic parish in the US, to provide clergy with talking points, even a “1-800 Green Congregration Hotline”, to pervert the Gospel into a Green Message.
So, let us be civil and charitable, as we watch the Gospel perverted into a secular-atheist-scare-message. God is not in charge, neither Jesus Christ. The World Authority will save us.
Your stats are wrong and besides the U.S. isn’t the world or even close.most ice sheets aren’t even in the US. You ignore completely that co2 is rising and pretty simple calculations and even plaintiff tells us that humans burned carbon in processes that release co2. This isn’t hard stuff to observe or even explain at least in its general outlines. That’s why almost every country on the planet wants to something about it.
Yay, we are up to two people in the pew, for Fr. Chris!
Now it’s “CO2 levels are rising!! Aaaaugh! The End is near!”
But CO2 levels, now near 400 ppm, were between 2000 ppm and 8000 ppm in past geological eras: up to 20x’s as much as at present. So, it couldn’t be [capitalist] industrial human output that was/is responsible, right?
No matter: the Believers believe unwaveringly. All Irrelevant. And a Q.: Will supposedly apocalyptic CO2 levels mean global warming, global freezing, or nicely ambiguous “climate-change”: have we decided which is the prevarication du jour?
Yay for the False Church! Bow to the Calf!
“Your stats are wrong..” says Your Fellow Catholic.
So: Where are your sources, citations and statistics, as you dismissively sweep aside all the facts that Steve Phoenix produced? Don’t like ’em? Dismiss ’em. Isnt it what you like to sound off: “Citation please?”
Sounds like you are both a True Believer and also a Big Time Denier (of facts, that is).
By the way, the evidence continues to mount of the climate-fraud: NOAA’s placement of their oxymoronic “data-gathering” thermometers skewed “warming” temperatures in over 800 (two-thirds) of their 1218 data-gathering stations:
https://dailycaller.com/2015/12/17/exclusive-noaa-relies-on-compromised-thermometers-that-inflate-u-s-warming-trend/
Or is it “climate-change”? Or is it “global-cooling?” Or is it all a global fraud? Al Gore is a principal shareholder in the new global carbon-credit “bank” enabled by the recently concluded “Paris Accord of 2015”.
Bow to the Calf, everyone.