The following comes from an October 1 New York Post article by Chris Perez:
The gunman who opened fire at an Oregon community college was forcing people to stand up and state their religion before he began blasting away at them, survivors said Thursday.
A woman who claimed to have a grandmother inside a writing class in Snyder Hall, where a portion the massacre unfolded, described the scene in a tweet.
“The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian,” she wrote. “If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn’t answer, they were shot in the legs. My grandma just got to my house, and she was in the room. She wasn’t shot, but she is very upset.
Kortney Moore, an 18-year-old student at Umpqua Community College who was also in the room, told Oregon’s News Review that the shooter was indeed on the hunt for Christians.
Moments after hearing a bullet come flying through a window, she said the 20-year-old shooter made his way inside and targeted their teacher, pumping a single round into their head.
As the young man ordered people to the ground, Moore laid patiently with her classmates and waited, according to the News Review.
Once they all got down, she said the gunman began asking people to rise and say what their religion was. After they stood and gave their answer, he started shooting.
It is amazing that so many martyrs stood up and confessed their Christian Faith. They will be rewarded in Heaven.
Expect more of this. Christians will pay a terrible price now that the liberal progressives and won the culture war. The hatred that some gays show Christians will lead to more of this, and don’ t expect real sympathy from the anti-Christian Obama.
You know, I really don’t think liberal progressives go around shooting people.
No they just support the destruction of the unborn, euthanasia and the culture of Death
Absolutely connected: the culture of abortion, telling a child they could have just as easily been killed by their parents, leads (for some) to a life of nihilism, self-worthlessness and a cold.bitterness against human society.
Yes. Go figure.
….liberal progressives encourage anything but tolerating differences. That leads to hatred, Anonymous, and violence.
I don’t thank that is correct at all.
Anon since you are a liberal your thought process is corrupted, hence the reason why you can see what’s very clear about progressives.. they are inherently evil…
When will liberal progressives propose universal back ground checks for anti-Christian bigots?
Dan …At this tragic time when we are praying for the dead and the survivors, please don’t use this tragedy to bash us gay people. Thank you.
Without God, moral principles, and the 10 Commandments, one is a barbarian, a savage worse than beast. America is quickly changing because the Supreme Court took God out of public schools fifty years ago. The atheists want God out of the marketplace and society, so the false gods of the environment, man, and pop culture are the new deities.
Few of us imagine ourselves as human beings who will be challenged that very day to stand up for Jesus Christ and die for the faith, but that actually happened yesterday, within driving distance of California Catholics like ourselves, to young people whose lives were thought very likely to be stretching long before them. It happens that the murderer of Christians has roots in California, with a father still living in Tarzana, who is doubtlessly suffering the anguish of learning of his son’s crimes and death. Many families and friends of his victims are also suffering at the news of these terrible crimes, and several victims are still also suffering. Pray for the souls of everyone touched by this madness, which means, pray for each and…
The logical result of a nation that has turned its back on Christ…..way to go progressives…I am sure they are smiling about this one
This was a horrible tragedy! A long time ago, when I was young, people were proud of their school, and had a sense of pride in their family, school, church, hometown, and in our Nation. There was a basic respect for society, for public places, and for people. America became nothing but a shameful, trashy, ignorant, immature, immoral, criminal,” hippie-slob slum,” in the filthy, hedonistic, Godless 1960’s. Filthy, ignorant, young, selfish, SPOlLED-BRAT “hippie-slobs”– with NO RESPECT for anyone or anything. That is the SICK “America,” that “hatched” this 20-year-old MURDERER! And just 21 short years ago (1994)– the MURDERER did not even exist! How many more are out there??
Say what? The murderer has existed since the time of Cain and Able! Why in the world would you make such a statement? Have you heard of the murder of Jesus Christ?
Maryanne Leonard, the cases of violent school shootings, are UNUSUAL!!! This criminal problem, is relatively recent, in American society! That is why it is of such great horror and concern, to American leaders! Before the upheavals of the 1960’s, Maryanne, there was usually order, respect, and common decency, in American schools, and only a few cases of criminal violence– such as in criminal areas of large cities, like New York.
As a senior, Linda Mara, I can vouch for what you say, and we had telegraphs, radio and television back then, besides the gossip circuit, so news got around quite easily during those time. We would have known if such atrocities were happening.
We didn’t live in a society that thought it normal for a young adult to have dozens of weapons available to him. Now we do. Though it is a small fraction of disturbed people who might use them, we must, for the sake of our children, stop letting every person own dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition.
But the fact that our society allows deranged individuals ACCESS to these weapons does call us to shame. And the fact IS that 80% of Americans want a crack down. It is the fringe Republicans, bought and paid for by the NRA, who stand in the way.
YFC, I agree that young people today should not have arsenals, but young people have been owners of guns all down through American history. In fact that has been the case in most countries.The big difference is that there were far fewer divorces back then, and fathers were there to teach them right from wrong, and how to use a gun properly — for hunting, self protection or to protect others from harm.
YFC round the usual suspects… another lie boasted by a the sodomite what you and the rest of the Left wants is confiscation
The Traditional Roman Liturgy is instructive in these coming and increasingly fierce times of Christian persecution.
The second list of saints in the Roman Canon (following the Consecration and Memento Mori ) represents the 7 Orders of Christian Life, persons particular to their order who each successively passed on the Faith: John the Baptist, Last of the Prophets and Forerunner of Christ; Stephen, 1st Martyr, Order of Deacons; St Matthias, the Apostles; Barnabas, a Jewish convert (a Levite) and Order of Missionaries; Ignatius of Antioch, the Apostolic Fathers and the episcopacy; Alexander I, 5th pope (d. 115), also a martyr, representing the papal order; and finally, Marcellinus & Peter, the priestly order (Marcellinus, a…
finally, Marcellinus & Peter, the priestly order (Marcellinus, a priest, and Peter, an exorcist, perhaps a “seminarian” or priest-in-training, martyred d. 304).
Next is the list of the women-saints and their 3 Orders of Life: Felicitas and Perpetua, both married women, martyred at Carthage; in fact Felicitas was a slave (though not of Perpetua). Perpetua, also in fact, was nursing an infant at the time of her martyrdom (d. 304);
Next, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, and Cecilia representing the Order of Virgins and dedicated life, all 4 each fearfully tortured and martyred also;
Finally, Anastasia, representing the Order of Widows, who was cruelly treated by her pagan spouse, despite living a life of charity and mercy: she was burned to death on the Lord’s Nativity in 304 AD, a stark reminder that with the gift of the Nativity comes martyrdom.
When the Roman Canon is recited, it is…
When the Roman Canon is recited, it is instructive to note the lives of trial and suffering each of these extraordinary patrons took on for Christ, and to make it our own in the coming persecutions. The Past is Prologue to the Future.
And think about how often the Roman Canon is not used.
Thank you, Steve Phoenix for taking the time to instruct! God bless you!
I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me. John 10:14 Douay-Rheims
I am honored that you say so, Catherine (although it is probably hot molten lead in the ears of our fellows here).
Some refer to the first-named saint of John as “John the Evangelist” by the way (The Roman Canon isn’t specific: it just names a “John”), as the Order of Evangelists, FYI.
Steve Phoenix, I really enjoyed reading your posts, regarding the Roman Canon! I have always loved the Roman Canon! I think it is so tragic, that it was down-graded, as only an option, for the Novus Ordo Missae, of Bl. Pope Paul VI!!
Well, all I have got to say is that after the first shot fired, all are definitely martyrs for the Faith who said, “Yes,” to being Christian. If one must die, one might as well die standing on ones feet declaring Christ as Lord and King. May God grant me that kind of bravery and fortitude if and when my turn comes.
It has turned out that one of the first people shot was and is quite a hero. His name is Chris Mintz. He tried to block the killer’s entry at the door and took quite a few bullets but is still alive. Please pray for him and all involved. Again, please ignor the name of the murderer, we should blot his name from history as much as possible.
Anne T., I appreciate your perspective on all this. I think you are right, and you helped me view this incident differently.
Thank you, YFC. I am glad you do. Christ came to save lives not destroy them, so even when some Christians on this website castigate you for certain things you approve, it is, or should be, only to save your life in the end or the life of anyone your words might mislead. That is what it is all about — saving lives and souls — and even though I do not go to LGBT parades or “weddings”, and will not under ordinary circumstances, I would not hesitate to go if there was an emergency, and I could help save a life by medical means or help putting out fires, and so forth.
I agree with all of the above statements. This school and many others are firearm-free zones. That’s a nice idea, but the criminals don’t obey laws. If some, or even one, of the people in the classroom had had a concealed gun, the killer could have been stopped quickly and many lives saved. We need to defend ourselves. We shouldn’t just be sheep at the mercy of any killer who wants to kill people. Our Catholic faith allows us to kill if our lives or the life of someone else is in immediate jeopardy.
Sarah, I agree with you. When I wrote my post before, I did not know that even children were victims in this massacre. This did not happen when I went to school in the mid 1940’s thru early 60’s, and I went to multiracial public schools right here in California. Most people had at least a rifle in their homes, and schools were not gun free zones for adults. Now at some schools, the adult employees are not even allowed a knife but must open boxes with their keys. The sharpest thing there is a pair of scissors. That is utterly ridiculous.
Also, I think Megan Kelly on Fox News is right when she says we should not even use the name of the killer because notoriety is what he sought.
This was a GUN FREE ZONE, which in Oregon and Washington state is no surprise, the only security guard on duty was UNARMED, this was pure evil that this nut did. Thank God there was one man, a veteran who took seven bullets and lived trying to save the students. Where are all of the men in this country, it has become a sissyfied country thanks to LIBERALS.
Sarah, I understand how you feel, about guns used in self-defense. However— I would be afraid to take a college course, knowing that there were armed students in the classroom— rather than professional armed guards, if the situation called for it! Sounds like troubled areas of the Middle East, doesn’t it? I think what America lacks, is her Judeo-Christian foundations, a strong work ethic, and strong family life. Also, to have a good civilization, we need to uphold belief in God, and enforce requirements for good manners, good morals, good dress, and good speech, and a TOTAL END to so-called “hippie freedoms.”
I was told once, by a prominent pro-life priest (now deceased), that gun-carrying for Catholics, for self-defense, was a smart thing, and perfectly compatible with our Faith. But must our society be so troubled, disordered, undisciplined, filthy, immature, selfish, immoral, and violent— like the Middle East– that we all must end up carrying a gun, for self-defense? No!! Our society is IMMATURE!! GROW UP, MEN!! It is the role of mature men in a community, to stand up and devise good plans for the safety and protection of our homes, families, and communities! No more “hippie-slob,” liberal hogwash, and no more corruption and sin!! Live right, and God will help guide America– and all will be much better!
“[Oregon shooter] Harper-Mercer’s social media profiles suggested he was fascinated by the Irish Republican Army and frustrated by traditional organized religion.” –“Oregon gunman was Army dropout who studied mass shooters”, MSN.com Oct. 3, 2015
He was not exactly a dropout, Steve Phoenix; he was discharged from the Army for administrative reasons. He was considered unacceptable to be an American soldier, in other words, he didn’t make the cut, as I understand it; he did not drop out by choice.
Maryanne L., the term “Army dropout” of the Oregon shooter was part of the title of the original article by MSN.com, which I was just quoting in its original format: it was not my terminology.
However, perhaps I see your point, that MSN.com was trying to link him with the US military in some kind of a blameworthy way.
This is very sad. God have mercy. God help us. Pie Jesu!
Without God and adherence to Catholic morality, more of this will occur. Ben Carson said that sodomy brought down the Roman Empire, and Hillary is attacking him. Very few Christians are sticking up for the truth, and so God will permit America as well as the Catholic Church to go into a decline. We have so much to pray and atone for that we shall never be bored.
News item today: “French Train Attack Hero Spencer Stone Stabbed”, Yahoo News 10/8/2015:
Now I am sure this will not be counted by the present utterly evil administration in their numbers of (1) gun-involved attack stats nor (2) terrorist attack statistics.