The following comes from a May 26 Catholic Heath Association of the United States news release:
President Barack Obama will address the Catholic Health Association’s 2015 annual membership Assembly on June 9 in Washington, D.C., where he will focus on the future of health care and the Affordable Care Act.
“We are delighted and honored that President Obama will speak to Catholic health care leaders gathered for our 100th anniversary as an association,” said Sister Carol Keehan, Catholic Health Association’s president and chief executive officer. “As long-time supporters of a health care system that works for everyone and pays special attention to those who are poor and vulnerable, we are grateful for the President’s leadership on the Affordable Care Act.”
Sister Carol continued: “This important law has provided meaningful health coverage to at least 16 million people who needed and deserved it, as well as improved both the benefits and finances of Medicare and Medicaid. We look forward to the President’s comments and insights at our Assembly, and to being a continued partner in preserving and improving the Affordable Care Act.”
President Obama’s speech will conclude Catholic Health Association’s three-day meeting at the Marriott Wardman Park in Northwest Washington. The annual Assembly brings together leaders from Catholic health care organizations across the country. This year, more than 1,000 people are expected to attend the event, which commemorates the association’s centennial year.
Corrupt. Just utterly corrupt. What are the odds of one of the thousand attendees being a David to confront the Goliath POTUS? I wouldn’t put any money down on that possibility.
Why are these women not excommunicated yet? Wasn’t there an investigation into their heterodoxy?
This is a very good question. I have the answers, but I think you all know them already.
The question at hand is does Obama have Sister Keehan in his left jacket pocket or his right jacket pocket. Just wondering.
Xavier,
Don’t assume that it’s bribery. It could be extortion using NSA or FBI data from a politically corrupt intelligence officer.
Hi Steve,
Bribery never entered my mind. My suspicion is that Obama did not have to pay one red cent to Sister Keehan. She simply jumped into one of his jacket pockets of her own free will, and likely was not even invited to jump.
Obama is no friend of the Catholic Church. I hope the Catholic Health Assn. is not paying him to speak. When Obama spoke at Notre Dame University, he demanded that the Crucifix be removed from the room before he arrived. Notre Dame gladly complied. What concessions will the Catholic Health Assn. make to please him? Will he speak about Catholic institutions having to pay for insurance to cover contraception and abortions?
He is NOT Christian, and does NOT respect the Christian Religion!!
Fewer and few people are identifying as pro-life. This is not even a surprise anymore. https://www.cruxnow.com/life/2015/06/01/americans-prefer-pro-choice-label-by-biggest-margin-in-7-years/
These nuns that celebrate our extreme left-wing abortionist President are bringing a bad name to our Catholic Religion. They may not think an afterlife exists, but I hope they will pay their dues there. Children rebel against their parents, but we are dealing with old prunes here. I find it regrettable that this Pope found them flawless while simultaneously destroying the Franciscans of the Immaculate. The lesson I learn from this is that we are mostly on our own in the effort to keep the faith in the midst of the Culture of Death. The other lesson I draw is that each one of US that resists abortion, euthanasia, and Death Panels is playing a small but honorable part in the play of Life.
Nuns for Abortion and Euthanasia focus the…
Amen to that!!,
An important point of edification. Keehan is a sister not a nun. Nuns live in cloister, sisters do not and while all nuns are sisters, not all sisters are nuns. That’s an important distinction. Also, women religious, whether nuns or sisters, are consecrated members of the laity only, they do not receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders, which is reserved for males. There is no magisterium of sisters or nuns despite the attempts of many of the cabal to make one think there is. These women are simply heretics who have excommunicated themselves latae sententiae – by their very act. The only thing remaining is for their appropriate ordinary to exercise his authority and excommunicate them ferendae sententiae and get the charade of them…
I don’t care what you call them. They advertise themselves as “Catholic”, and should be excommunicated if they choose to continue sinful and scandalous behavior.
Keehan, “Nuns on the Bus”, LCWR, NETWORK are all heretics and should be excommunicated if they continue to refuse to adhere 100% to
the Doctrine of the Faith
as contained in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition”
(of 1997, dark green cover in the USA).
Thanks for the clarification, Cunningham.
What is the matter with this picture, and this topic? If you do not know, then you are part of the problem. By associating herself with this horrid man, Sister Carol is backing all of his evil policies. When you sleep with a dog, you get fleas. Well, the Catholic Health Agency is infested and overrun with insects. Anything authentically Catholic has no business associating with the Herodian and Neroistic principles of Obama. Again the question is posed: Where is the voice of the bishops? Most of them are silent, because they are part of the problem. Not only are our Catholic hospitals failing, but the Catholic education system is rotting. A statue of Father De Smit is being removed from a “Catholic” institution because it shows an…
Our compromised shepherds are leading many souls astray. Our shepherds need to publicly repent to God for publicly flaunting their disloyalty to Christ. May Almighty God have mercy on them and forgive them for they DO KNOW what they are doing.
The photo says a Lot – the angry ‘Nun’ and smug ViP sternly looking on – as the Teachings of the Catholic Church are trashed, in a most ‘tolerant’ manner of course.
May God Have Mercy On Us All.
Next to the screen that has this story on my computer is a half naked woman, almost pornographic! Anybody tell me who is responsible for this and is it part of a contract that California Catholic has with a ‘commercial ‘ entity?
The advertisements usually reflect the reader’s browsing history on most sites. One time I had to read the Village Voice and all my ads were from American Girl Dolls and I wrote to them to ask why they advertised in such a rag and that’s when I learned about it. My ads on this site are all Catholic.
God Bless Fr. Karl. You expressed my feelings exactly. Where are the Cardinals in all of this? Cardinal Dolan praised Obama at the Al Smith dinner giving a positive spin to this pro abortion President shortly before his re election. Stats on the Catholic vote and how they contributed greatly to the pro abortion President’s re election is appalling. Sister Carol Keenan is no better than the President she endorses. She is covered with insects as Fr. Karl eloquently states and so are all who encourage her. “Get thee behind me Satan”.
Sarah in answer to your comment about Pres Obama speaking at Notre Dame. Georgetown U also did the same when he spoke there. All religious symbols were covered so as to not offend the President. It did not matter that some Catholics were deeply offended. All that mattered was the sensitivity to the President. And it has gotten worse as time goes on. And it will continue. Catholics are any easy target as we do not speak up.
All religious symbols were covered so as to not offend non-Catholics/Christians. Geeze. Persecuted much?
If people are offended by Christian art, sculpture and symbols then they have no business entering a Catholic Church. Our Churches are Houses of God not meeting halls. God lives there. It was built for him, not some little twit who thinks he is a god. Why pick a Catholc Church for a an anti Catholic to denigrate God in, in the first place? By his very presence there it was utterly despicable.
PS. I hope they re- sanctified the entire building after it was defiled
What is wrong with this public record picture?
Federal Communications Public Record
Individual Contributions Arranged By Type, Giver, Then Recipient
Contributions to Political Committees
Contributor Name State City ZIP Code Employer Committee Name Transaction Date Amount Image Number
HOLQUIN, ARTHUR SAN JUAN CAPISTRAN CA 92675 ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ORANGE, OBAMA, BARACK VIA OBAMA FOR AMERICA 07/07/2008 250.00 11953009701
Total Contributions: 250.00
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Father Karl, I don’t agree, and I don’t consider myself part of the problem. Let us stipulate at the outset that President Obama believes in a woman’s right to choose an abortion. That is what is horrible about his beliefs. He also has proven to be less than a stellar administrator. But, health care in this country is a big chunk or our economy. The Affordable Health Care law has reduced the cost of health care by billions. People can no longer be refused insurance because of pre-existing conditions. People can no longer be charged for preventative care – mammograms, colonoscopies, annual check-ups, etc. Our health care processes are starting to turn toward outcomes rather than procedures. (by the way, there are no death panels)…
first off health care is not a “right” it never was. If this Obamacare scam is so great tell me why did they (corrupt government) move $500MM from Medicare to this fraudulent con job. This obamacare has one end, that is complete government control of the healthcare system in this country which is what you on the left have always want, so you can have control of the individual.
The “$500” million you keep reading/hearing about from far right talk show hosts was how much they said they could save by cleaning up the fraudulent charges made by companies trying to play the system. A quick example: Doctors/hospitals can’t charge for colonoscopies any more, so they tries to charge $30K for the anesthesia. Its not about government control, its about managing what we spend on care. Health Care is a basic right in all civilized countries of the world except the United States. Why is that?
“: Doctors/hospitals can’t charge for colonoscopies any more, ” So you honestly believe they are now “free” no Bob One it will be paid for by the US taxpayer… Healthcare not a right and never was…..Obamacare will lead to complete collapse of the system which was its intention anyway.
And who said Doctors can not charge for colonoscopies any more? – The government.
Think before you post BobOne. Who makes the rules?
(Btw I am on Medicare and Doctors do get paid for colonoscopies. Unless this is a new ruling by the government just happened in the last few weeks.)
Two reasons, one, if you get better healthcare when you are younger you will need less care when you are older, and some medicare costs were directly overlapping what medicare was covering Why pay for the same thing twice?
Onto your question below, about beurocrats deciding who gets what care…that is not true, and in fact, you want church beaucocrats determining what coverage people get. Why do you think they are fighting to EXCLUDE certain things??
YFC, yes certain things MUST be EXCLUDED from government health care – – – – – Abortion on demand; Contraception; Voluntary Sterilization; Euthanasia; Sex change operations.
These are not for the common good, but the selfishness of the individual.
ALL taxpayers should never be forced to pay for the Mortal Sins of others.
Let them pay for their own sins.
YFC, you are not Catholic. Why do you lie?
Canisius, good health care is a basic right for all humans. The U.S. is the only first world nation in the world that doesn’t consider health care a right. Why is that? Perhaps it explains the lousy outcomes of our current health care system. Yes, we have the best specialist in the world. Need a heart transplant, come to the U.S. Need good basic health care that keeps infant mortality low, better stay home because our record is not all that good. To even suggest that good health care is not a human right repugnant.
” The U.S. is the only first world nation in the world that doesn’t consider health care a right. Why is that? ” I will tell you why it is not a right Bob One, our rights come from God, and he did not grant us that one, government think it does. We used to be a country that valued self reliance and individuality (i still do, as that how I have survived, I rely on no one but me) You really think that the government taking even more control of the healthcare system is a good thing. The government is what screwed it up and driving up costs.
Funny I thought one of Christ’s mandates was to heal the sick. When government takes up Christ’s mandate, Catholics like Canisius scream that no one has a right to be healed. Trying to figure out who is more Christian, Obama, or Canisius?
Funny question, YFC, since Obama seems to have no qualms about killing babies in utero and then letting them die without medical care should an abortion fail to accomplish it’s objective. But if that’s your kind of Christian… that says about all we need to know about your dictionary.
Christ wasn’t demanding that governments provide healthcare only people who live in the demented world of San Francisco think in those terms…The collective must crush the individual right YFC….YFC do you think this government is taking up Christ’s mandate when it pays for the destruction of the unborn… answer yes or no…
Bob One, what keeps infant mortality low in this country is the abortion industry. Children identified as suffering from life threatening disabilities inside the womb are routinely identified and killed by abortion before they can die naturally outside the womb. At one time ALL aborted babies were issued a death certificate. The abortion lobby along with their likeminded government legislators voted that death certificates would no longer be issued for those killed in the womb. Think about it, in reality, we currently have the highest infant mortality rate our country has ever seen in her history.
And, by the way, you can receive a heart transplant in China as well. Just know that the heart will likely come from a political…
PS Bob One the death panels are real when, bureaucrats now decide who gets what kind of health care…
Canisius, the insurance companies already decide how much care you can get at end of life. Nearly 2/3 of all Medicare dollars are spent in the last couple of months of life. The data is very clear if you look it up.
Not true BobOne. If your private health care insurance does not provide everything in the contract – the company can be sued (jury trial) for big bucks.
Bob One, Medicare is essentially a government run insurance company. Medicaid and Medi-Cal are government run insurance companies. Yes, they do contract with so called “private” insurance companies, but those companies only receive our tax payer dollars by agreeing to and following the government “insurance company” mandated rules.
BobOne, President Obama and Hillary Clinton not only support the torture and murder of innocent human beings through abortion – ‘right to choose’.
But they want ALL of us taxpayers to pay $$$$$ for abortion, contraception, voluntary sterilization.
The Democratic Party is already gearing up for Euthanasia ‘death with dignity’ to cut health care costs for the elderly, chronically, and mentally ill.
At the same time they want all taxpayers to pay for sex change operations and hormones for life.
(See the 2014 CA Democratic Party Platform on the internet.)
Obamacare was never necessary. All he had to do was tweak Medicaid, and Medicare for those who fell through the safety net.
Anon, you are mostly correct. The President, the next President and almost all of the members of the Democratic Party are nuts and anti-Christian, at least as we define it. But what is the alternative? Almost all of the candidates running on the Republican side are looney toons as well, and those that aren’t can’t get elected in a national run-off. Those of us who comment on this site are far right wing Catholics, even some who have been accursed of being too moderate, and we represent less than 1% of U.S. Catholics. In other words, little influence on a national scale.
Come on CALCATH readers, you know that Sr Carol is a Democrat and can do what she does because most of the Catholic bishops are Democrats.
Faith is mere window dressing now. Money and Leftist causes matter.
Don’t believe me? If you ever see your bishop in person, go up to him and ask what his political registration is.
Carrie, no doubt about it.
Keehan PROMOTES Obama to give him a stage to legitimize his anti-Catholic positions including his anti-freedom of Religion, and the taxpayer paid abortions of millions each year – so that he will have more influence.
Hillary Clinton is no better.
‘Hillary Clinton: Force Christians to Change Their Religious Views to Support Abortion’
” Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will. And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”
https://www.lifenews.com/2015/04/27/hillary-clinton-force-christians-to-change-their-religious-views-to-support-abortion/
Keehan needs to be excommunicated.
Carrie, good point. I have been told by Catholic Democrats that just because they vote for Democrats doesn’t make it true that they support abortion. Apparently they don’t seem to understand what the term “Representative Democracy” means.
Those who vote for Politicians who support evil – support evil themselves.
Their vote supports the furthering of the evil agenda.
Sarah, it was at Georgetown U. that the Obama team had the Crucifix covered. The University of Notre Dame did not do that — although, tragically, they did even worse by having the late pro-life hero Father Norman Weslin and nearly 80 other heroic pro-life activists arrested for praying in protest of Obama’s visit.
“CATHOLIC Health Association” ? “Sister Carol Keehan,” ?
Obama promotes abortion, voluntary sterilization, and contraception at the expense of ALL taxpayers.
Keehan, LCWR, and NETWORK all lied to the American people and to Congress.
They promised there would be zero abortion funding or contraception funding in the Affordable Health Care Act.
Obama and his Administration violates Freedom of Religion.
Keehan does not care about that either.
Our Church does not love Christ enough– to EXCOMMUNICATE this terrible, false “Catholic” nun! SHAME ON THE CHURCH!!
MOTHER MKREE!
What’s next? Bruce Jenner being solicited as a recruitment tool for this order of nuns?
OneoftheSheep: It’s Caitlyn with a “C” now. Bruce no longer exists! GAG!!!!
He’ll always be Bruce Jenner and a man. We all pretty much know what is coming down the road for Mr. Jenner once the public ceases to take such an interest in his mental illness. Poor man. Poor family. Sad, sad, sad.
Dana, what gives you the right to declare the “mental illness” of this person? Sad sad sad, that you cannot for a moment imagine a child of yours going through what she has. Compassion? please, compassion!
What is sad is your implying that compassion necessarily equates to indulging mental/physical illness by way of lies and wholesale promotion of that which is patently false. Bruce Jenner is a man.
The Emperor has no clothes, YFC. And a loving queen-mother would be the first to say as much to her son. The fact that you believe otherwise demonstrates an utter lack of what love, and most especially parental love entails.
That said, are your quotes implying that mental illness is something to be ashamed of or scared of? If so, shame on you!
Bruce Jenner is still a MAN. He has not had reassignment surgery, and has no intentions to do so at this time.
He is merely taking hormones and is in drag at this time – going into women’s rest rooms.
Sex is for procreation – CCC 2332.
CCC: ” 2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity.
Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life. ….”
YFC, what gives me the right is my grief for the terrible slights and wounds to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. God gave this man so many manly gifts and he chose to make a mockery of them, as well as cause a terrible example to children by not just rejecting them but making a public display of his descent into dark realms… one woman compared him to someone on a cliff and the public urging him to jump. I pity him as I would a man who loses his fortune on the toss of a dice. What a terrible waste! I feel compassion for the children being murdered for their faith by the ISIS Devils.
Sr. Carol Keehan’s US order (Daughters of Charity of S. Vincent De Paul)—for whom she is doing such a bang up job—is, by no surprise, down to 670 sisters as of 2011, from over 2500 in 1960 (CARA Georgetown statistics), and has had to consolidate from 5 provinces, prior to our great council of Vatican II, down to 2, as of 2015. Particularly sad is their forced withdrawal from the Catholic healthcare field, in part due to a mission and identity problem.
It used to be said of the old Soviet Union that, no matter how measurably disastrous the outcomes, the next year, commissar leadership would stand up at the podium and announce the need for “redoubled efforts” and laud their achievements thus far.
That crowd had no idea…
Readers, compare the picture of so-called Sister Carol with that of the two sisters under the heading ‘Is the Catholic Church drifting into eco-spirituality. The subjects who were photographed are like night and day. Which photograph portrays what real Catholic nuns are all about ? The crisis in the Church is much like the terrible period immediately before the Reformation, where many popes were more concerned with temporal riches instead of with heavenly treasures. Today, most religious are consumed with mammon, and physical things instead of the spiritual. I believe we need a Second Council of Trent in order to remedy the terrible mess which the Church is in. The proverb goes:’ Birds of a feather flock together’, and another one…
Does the charitableness requirement not apply to the people the story is written about?
Do the Facebook posters get a pass on the offensive language requirement?
The first FB post is really offensive even when you agree with the inappropriateness of a pro-choice president that has caused so many problems for the Church and Catholic organizations being a keynote speaker for a Catholic Health organization.
Oh, yes, anonymous, and soon, if the Supreme Court rules that homosexual marriages are licit and we’ll all have to accept it or go to jail for hate speech, people like you can report us to the thought police. Heaven forbid we use inappropriate language for man and woman who are doing what they can to utterly gut the Church’s influence and teachings.
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/why-is-bad-language-a-sin.html
Dear Dana – We are a fortunate bunch here in the US that the content of our speech is protected. There are many countries in the world where that is not so. In the US, if you speak against same sex marriage, or against the equality of the races, or against the right of women to have equal pay, your speech is protected.
If however, you ACT against those who are same-sex married, ACT against those of other races, or if you PAY women differently for the same job that you would do a man, then, yes, you might be in violation.
“, if you speak against same sex marriage, or against the equality of the races, or against the right of women to have equal pay, your speech is protected.” Your crowd YFC will soon bring that to an end….
Canisius, it is already here. Not only are people fired for speaking against same sex marriage, but they are even fired for supporting a simple definition. “Marriage is between a man and a woman”
It’s interesting how the liberals always slide their illegitimate claims in amongst the very credible and worthy ones. Homosexuality is not nor ever will be the equivalent to race or sex. You are a man and your mate is a man…praise and thank God for your gifts instead of rejecting them. God created you a male in your mother’s womb. When archeologists check your bones in the far distant future they will find you were a male. Rejoice in your maleness and find the lovely woman God had intended just for you. She’s probably a sad spinster wondering why she can’t find Mr. Right. Now that brings a tear to my eye.
Health care is NOT a basic right. It is a privilege. Life and freedom are rights, which are given to us by Almighty God.
You have got to be kidding, Father Karl. Are you telling me I don’t have the right to good basic health care or that the quality of my health care should be determined by my economic status? Really? If that is what you are saying, and you mean it, you surely don’t belong in the pulpit, and should be reported to your Bishop. Please send his name and address.
Bring on the leeches!!! Seems with a vow of poverty this would be the only healthcare option. Or maybe back room trepanation . . . yes, to let the evil spirits out!
Keep chewing the scenery, pal, and you’re going to get some serious indigestion!
Bob One,
Father Karl is right. You are wrong. The reason that this is very difficult for you to grasp is because you have forgotten something extremely important. Remember Bob One, habitual mortal sin blinds the sinner and darkens the intellect. Based on your history of pro-Socialism posts, consider it a privilege (and not a right) that CCD still allows you the freedom to demonstrate how lost you are. Please send us the names of the compromised and misguided shepherds who have tragically influenced your ability to reason. We will sincerely pray for the conversion of each and every one of you.
I am guessing it was Saint John XXIII (Pacem in Terris 11).
or the CCC 2288.
Catherine, name one “pro-Socialist” post that I have made on this site. Most people who know me just don’t understand how I can be so conservative in my beliefs. I admit that I am more middle of the road than some, but never on the left, faith wise or politics wise. As a priest Father Karl should be fighting for the betterment of mankind, shouting from the rooftops about the poor health care some of his parishioners must endure and the lack of affordable alternatives for his people. That is what a Priest does. He fights for his people.
Bob One you claim to be Catholic how in the world can you get the job of a Priest so wrong…his main job is guiding souls to heaven not fight for social causes.
BobOne, anyone who supports the government taking over ALL health care – which always includes the government making life and death decisions for each individual is not a conservative.
In fact they are un-American – a socialist, marxist or communist., and violate the principles of freedom.
All forms of collectivism violate the Catholic Faith. #1885.
Just what is the betterment of mankind, Bob? As Catholics we should want everyone to live forever, not longer! You’re obsessed with comfort and lack of pain or ill health when we’re called to suffer, to sacrifice and to know true joy that only comes from service not from better health care.
And what is the Bishop to you, Bob One? A teacher of the deposit of the Faith (The Catholic Faith) or a political head, using his position as a way to rally Catholic votes by way of misguided principles to further a socialist agenda?
Or are you one of those who considers abortion and birth control to be a basic aspect of women’s health coverage?
Ann Malley, you know that I have always stated that I am against abortion, always. But, I do not believe we should throw out the entire health care program because of the one section that does not support our beliefs. The other sections are too important to throw away: free mammograms for women, no pre-condition exclusions, insurance available for everyone to improve basic health care and reduce reliance on ERs. Why do so many people believe that people who live in the U.S. should have health care that is not as good as the rest of the industrialized world? Everyone should be able to go to a doctor for preventative care or a hospital for serious stuff. Economic status should not determine our basic care.
Bob One, so you are convinced that a “health care system” which includes murder by the millions can be trusted to support life? By the way, those on medi-cal and medi-caid, frequently choose to go to the ER, (instead of their assigned primary care doctor), for their “health care” needs because the after work hours suit them better, they believe that ER doctors are better doctors, and it cost nothing out of pocket to choose it. Also, they don’t have to wait for x-rays and blood test like the rest of us who, by the way, can’t afford to use the ER for our primary care.
A combination of fake Catholics and the most anti-Catholic, pro-abortion president in the history of the United States. A marriage made in hades!
Bob One, you do not know what you are talking about. I said nothing heretical in my remark. Everyone has the right to be fed, but it is God who determines when death shall come, not Obamacare or the government. Socialism is not Catholic.
Father, Bob One believes government is God and we get our rights from it…
…Bob One seems to be the fruit of what is ailing the Church, Father. False messages abound. Thank you for putting some Catholic reason/logic into the mix.
I appreciate your candor with regard to Church teaching. God bless :)
Me too, Ann. Every pope until now has always written that one cannot be Catholic AND a socialist. That’s why I always shudder when D. Day’s sainthood comes up.
Cdl. Dolan and a few other Prelates are pushing Dorothy Day’s canonization.
Cdl. Dolan is also responsible for holding up the canonization of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
Do you not know that the Catholic Worker movement was a Catholic alternative to the Communist party in NYC? The Communist party used to spend a lot of money and time helping the poor and those out of work and people were drawn to them because of their good works. Dorothy Day established the Catholic Worker to give people a holy outlet for their works of mercy, and to show the poor that the Church cared more about them than the Communist Party.
Fr. Karl, I don’t think you are a heretic or said anything to indicate that. What I can’t understand is how any person, especially a man of the cloth, would think it is ok for poor people to have no insurance for basic medical care. God doesn’t want his people sick any more than He wants them hungry. People of all economic levels should have access to basic health care – doctors to see, shots when needed, preventative testing, ability to have required surgery and rehab work. Those are not extras, they are basic. Catholic faith demands that we take care of people in need, that we treat people with dignity. That is not socialism, it is Catholic. I can’t understand how anyone could believe that we should be allowed to be sick and…
There’s a big difference from saying it would be great if everyone had solid healthcare and working to that end and claiming it is a human right, Bob One. Hospitals were begun as works of mercy by Catholics, not mandatory government facilities.
We were all created by God in order that when we die we will serve HIM in Heaven. Our lives here on earth are a testing ground to see if we really love Him. Christ said if you love your life, you will loose it, meaning we should set our hearts on gaining Heaven, and not on trying to live forever. Sickness is a result of original sin, and grace can be obtained by suffering. Sure, we do not want to kill ourselves, or disrespect our bodies, but we should all focus more on getting to Heaven, and accepting disease as a means of drawing closer to God, and following His will.
So, Fr. Karl, I assume that you believe that we should close hospitals because they help people rid themselves of sickness, close our medical schools because people should just offer up their sickness and don’t need cures? I assume that you believe that all people should just accept sickness and “live with it”? I thought we lost the effects of original sin through Baptism. I thought Christ died on the cross to forgive our sins. I don’t believe you could get a hundred people to agree with your last comments.
Father Karl, I think that came out wrong. You seem to be saying that it’s wrong to treat illness and injury.
I totally agree Father. Our whole society has become this way and permeates every aspect of our lives. I remember how so many felt as you when I was growing up. Indont recognize this society anymore….