The following comes from an August 20 story on Catholic World News.
At the conclusion of a four-day annual assembly, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious issued a cautious statement expressing hopes that a Vatican mandate for reform of the group could find “a resolution of this situation that maintains the integrity of LCWR and is healthy for the whole church.”
Conference members conducted their discussions on the Vatican mandate quietly, meeting three times in executive session. The meeting heard a presentation from Archbishop Peter Sartain of Seattle, who has been appointed by the Vatican to oversee reform efforts within the group, and held a feedback session in which women religious offered their responses, characterized in the nuns’ statement as “a profound and honest sharing of views.” Archbishop Sartain also meet with the group’s board members, for what the nuns’ conference said was an “extraordinarily rich and deeply reverent conversation.”
The Leadership Conference statement avoided any discussion of the substantive issues mentioned in a Vatican report that was released last April, which pointed to a pattern of dissent from Church teachings and “serious theological, even doctrinal errors” in the nuns’ statements and in addresses to their assemblies.
The Leadership Conference—which represents leaders of roughly 80 percent of the women religious in the US—has avoided direct confrontation with the Vatican over the plans for the mandated reform. But Ann Carey, the author of Sisters in Crisis, observed in a National Catholic Register report that the group has not taken any concrete action to address the Vatican’s concerns.
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The audacity and brazen arrogance of these women is breathtaking. Adherence to Catholic doctrines are non-negotiable. Their ongoing dissent is not a matter of finding common ground, it is outright disobedience. It is high time these ladies are laicized; their obstinacy is scandalous.
There is only one question a Bishop has to answer. Would you let these Nuns have access to your faithful?
Mr Seidl – You can’t be serious!!. Your comment is outrageous. The would be no Church without these saintly women and if the Bishops/Priests( they are the problem) are not careful in the future there will be very little Church left.
Saintly women? Surely you jest, sir! You must not know much about these twisted sisters.
These ladies don’t NEED to be laicized — they are ALREADY lay people.
In the Catholic Church, there are two categories of human beings in this regard: lay people, and ordained people (i.e., deacons, priests, bishops).
As no women are ordained in the true Catholic Church, they are all members of the laity.
Michael: Please check your facts: Nuns can indeed be laicized for disobedience to their superiors.
Perhaps you would prefer the term secularized. The end result is the same, they are defrocked.
It’s not the good sisters who need to reform, it’s the Vatican. The witch hunt against the LCWR should stop immediately.
PJ, it would be a good thing if you were to pray more about your statement. When a woman has entered the religious life, she gives that life to the Church, and is called to take vows of poverty, chastity and OBEDIENCE. If she fails in any one of these, she fails in ALL of them. These women have obviously failed. There is no “witch hunt” but people who are ignorant of what is called for by religious, they need prayer and to pray. Take heed, and read this coming Sunday’s readings for Mass. You may glean something from that.
PJT, where is the witch hunt? Such ignorance! The Holy See is not looking to do them harm, rather to return them to authenticity as Roman Catholic sisters, both for the sake of their own personal salvation as well as the salvation of those they influence. One cannot deny the facts which indicate the total disregard the LCWR has for church doctrine, teaching and tradition as a total package. One cannot pick and choose and still dare call themselves Catholic, for they are not. And before you start the hysterical rant about judgmentalism, my commentaries are far from judgmental, rather they only reflect what Holy Mother Church has indicated time and time again with regard to being 100% Catholic or not being catholic.
You mean the Vatican should accept women priests, homosexual marriage and abortion? If you are serious, you need psychiatric help.
These Benedict Arnolds have cut themselves off from the Catholic Church, so why do we even consider them Catholic? They are traitors, who have been severely brainwashed. Instead of teaching or doing hospital or social work like they were originally formed to do, they want to remake the Catholic Church into their own likeness which is anything but holy and true. The terrible scandal these nuns have caused will not be easily forgotten , as several generations have swallowed their Jonestown Koolaid and as a result have killed themselves from the soul saving graces of Holy Mother Church. May God have mercy on them!
When there is no leadership, why should good followers take the heat, though? It is not the nuns who lead and father the Church, but the popes and bishops. And as popes have been admitting, the top levels around the Holy See are corrupt. What puzzles me is how a corrupt bunch of cardinals elects a holy pope. Let’s look at this without ascribing some magic intervention; for one reason, if divine override were the case, then what would that say about the need for cardinals?
Priest or not I find your comments out of line – What do you think the priests & bishops have done and are doing? – Scandals!!!! – Nuns are realistic are the Bishops/Priests are in a dream world – These Nuns are the life of the Church doing work that Priests are suppose to be doing but they don’t – The whole problem goes right back to Vatican 2 and Church leadership since that time – Nun’s are the Church and they will continue to be so –
Nuns are the Church eh?
Bwangi – Yes they are the Church – Please tell me why they are not!!!
John, Father Karl is NOT out of line. You obviously have not been paying attention to all of Father Karl’s posts. Obedient sisters and obedient nuns do God’s work. These are sisters who have decided not to abide in Jesus through their own pride and disobedience. They are NOT doing the work of God when they inspire others to rebel against and ignore God’s Laws. It is Jesus who is the life giving source of the Church. Please read what Jesus says about abiding in Him.
Definition of abide: verb 1 accept or act in accordance with (a rule, decision, or recommendation). “I said I would abide by their decision”
synonyms: comply with, obey, observe, follow, keep to, hold to, conform to, ADHERE to, stick to, stand by, act in accordance with, uphold, heed, accept, go along with, acknowledge, respect, defer to
antonyms: flout, disobey
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION
1406 Jesus said: “I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever;… he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and… abides in me, and I in him” (Jn 6:51, 54, 56).
1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.
John your harsh comments to Father is out of line….
Just a few months ago a good priest spoke against Sodomy…I’m sure he had many John’s personally attack and bully him for the truthful preaching he made about the sinful act of Sodomy.
Over ten years ago…as I was teaching bible studies and church teachings on certain topics…the topic of contraception was brought up…..you’d be surprised how often the messenger gets killed or at least is attempted to be shut down for sharing the truth.
Father Karl has many at times contributed to wonderful comments and they have shed light of truth, he is not here to trash or bash, if one has such a hardened heart to not notice the good in his comments, there must be something else that is needing addressing not the thoughtful comments that Father makes!
Catherine is right!
Catherine – Thank you for your comments – Fr. Karl is completely out of line and for a Priest to make comments like that regarding other Religious individuals of the Church who have given their lives to help us lay people attain salvation is unbecoming a Religious. Also, you always quote the Catechism – just give an answer in English that we can all understand.
Eric you do not know what you are talking about….you are wrong and you will not silence our priests anymore….they need to speak up as well and not be told how to think or when to speak the truth….you will not do that to them because we won’t take it anymore…..
No more false compassion and now it’s time for our priests to admonish the ill in the church…time is now!
Father Karl’s comment was not in conformity with the Church ‘s view of these religious as expressed in the Doctrinal Assessment of Leadership Conference of Women Religious. Likewise, no statement of any of the Bishops assigned to help them, Bishops Sartain, Blair and Poprocki, has ever indicated that they were cut off from the Church, not Catholic, or traitors.
Eric, the simple facts are that some of these nuns do not believe in the teachings of the Church, but they “want to stay for the pay”. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me. Many of these “nuns” want women priestesses, which they are never going to get.
And you can rest assured that some of the more faithful women are being bullied by the more radical ones, so before you talk about witch hunts, think twice.
A very faithful response Catherine, but way over any of those nuns’ heads! Perhaps if you learn some Orwellian doublespeak they might be able to grasp what you’re saying.
I have much trouble understanding the posts of Catherine and Abeca as both these ladies seem to go very deep and not understand what other readers are saying or commenting on. I wish that they would simply reply in everyday English that we all can understand and not paragraph after paragraph of the Catechism or some document that no one knows anything about.
Joseph well if you are having trouble, then it’s time for some personal growth on your part. I remember reading the whole bible when I was in my junior high years, it was that very summer, I spend outside in our beautiful yard, under the shade of a tree,. where I cooled down and read the word of God. I recall being like you, not understanding much about the word of God, I didn’t understand and still am learning today but at that time, lots of things were confusing. So one afternoon, I asked the Holy Ghost to lead me as I continued reading the scriptures….you’d be surprised how much more wisdom he blessed me with just because I genuinely asked with love and humility. That was an important part of growing up for me, I learned that I just need to get close to God and keep asking whenever I didn’t understand something. I still practice that today…I try not to depend on a human being to show me the way, unless God is using them to show me the way, which is why we have the ability to discern as well, of who is foe or not.
“Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;” Proverbs 3:5
These Nuns are scandalous in their own way.
They do not adhere to Catholic Church Doctrine, yet fraudulently pretend to live up to Church teachings to undermine the Bride of Christ – His Church.
ANNA its a sad truth that we do have those issues happening in our church. It’s very sad and true….to deny it only makes me question why some people are blind to it or they may have their own personal agenda as to why they support disobedience. Many want to change the church and tell our Lord what to do…maybe that is why they support nuns that dissent.
John, nuns need the leadership of the bishops and popes; without holy leadership, they will run amok one way or another. As St Paul says, until God convicted us of our sins, we were not to blame: How can unholy bishops bring God to anyone at all? They can’t. They can bring the Holy Eucharist, but “man does not live by bread alone”, and the unholiness thwarts “but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God”. It takes two to tango, John; one is the laity and the other is the episcopacy. When the episcopacy has run off after windmills, then the laity parties out. If you cannot understand this, then you need to seek true and holy leadership, face to face, and not simply read a book. Although if you read a book, it might direct you to a holy cleric who can help you to understand.
John: Nuns are NOT the Church, they are members only. These modern sisters have chosen politics over their faith. They are full-fledged radicals who have their own agenda, which they arrogantly equate with true service and true charity. They have bought hook, line, and sinker, all the nostrums of the socialist welfare state. Their open hostility vis-à-vis Representative Ryan of Wisconsin shows whose side they are on. Sister Simone Carroll made a big splash during the Democrat Party Convention. Yes the one during which the attendees refused to accept any mention of God, not once, but thrice, in their party’s platform. You cannot be associated with the Party of Death and a faithful Catholic at the same time.
These ladies should formalize their breach with the Vatican; and yet, they dishonestly maintain their all too transparent farce.
Anton you are correct in what you just posted. It is sad isn’t it. What can we expect? I mean if you have good parents and they have a bad kid at home, dishonoring their good name, how can we think that it is different in the church. Our Lord has disobedient kids too, who hurt him and bring disgrace and dishonor to His church and His good name. You will have people blame God for what is happening. I often wonder, if we are truly honest and understand how good our Lord is, why do people still blame Him for the wickedness that is happening daily. But God is God and He is great and perfect, His love and patience is far greater but people are not perfect at all and to much of what I have been discovering about flaws in people….many lack characteristics that are key to lead one to truth, sin leads us, some are more enslaved of their sins and perhaps even their disorders. I too have my flaws but I certainly would continue to reflect and lean on God as I would endure living this life. I pray that these nuns have a conversion before they cause more scandal. Maybe the damage has already been done long ago. We must embrace the truths that were handed down to us and hold on to them to help us endure till the end. Of course while praying for those who have not. Lord have mercy!
Fr. Karl:
It’s hard for me to believe that a Roman Catholic priest would hold such uncharitable views. “Trators?” Really? I’d only use that word for something like a priest, religious or lay minister who molested children trusted to his or her care. Just say’en.
C&H all that sugar is hyping you out that you do not see clearly. There is no sin in calling it like it is! Your comments to bash a faithful priest here and by bringing up the molestation of children, what purpose are you serving sir! I know that good priests like Fr. Karl too are disgusted with any type of molestation of children…they are and are sad as well…but you sir just stooped so low to bring that awfulness of a subject to a faithful priest! You meant to injure the spirit and are not completely in line with common sense and common decency! Shame on you!
Abeca,
How do you know that fr Karl is a priest??
Joseph in simple English….because he said so…I don’t want to sin by discrediting him…it would be an injustice to discredit the good words that bare wisdom and truth by having false assumptions without any proof…he has not done anything to discredit him nor has be said anything for me to be suspicious. I too can discern…..
Mr. Kenneth Fisher has verified that Father Karl is really a priest. Pray for him.
Anony thank you….I agree we need to pray for him….and all our priests, they need our prayers. It’s not easy to be a priest today. Our prayers are with them and I hope that our support too for the ones taking their cross and who walk with Christ, no matter how difficult it may be. That we may be slow to criticize them but quick to stand by them when they are doing God’s will in the face of these wicked times.
Our priests are human too. People expect them to be superhuman but forget that they too have needs and those needs which are important to them is the support from the lay faithful. We need to edify in them when they are doing right, we need to encourage with love. It is easier for them to get tempted, it is harder to take on their calling. Discouragement often attacks them. The tricks of the devil are most often intimidating for good souls. While we acknowledge that they exist, we are also human with flaws. When good priests perseveres with fortitude in doing God’s will, the devil attacks them more and often the lay faithful expect them to be like Padre Pio or other saints, how can they, with all the negative attacks on their person. We often want to admonish more without prayer. We do no good to admonish without discernment, truth and prayers….that is wrong and prideful. We pray for our Pope and all priests and bishops….we pray that they are open to as well to our concerns when they are failing Christ’s church, as well as we pray for our nuns too.
C&H, there have been boys and girls molested by nuns, too, believe it or not. Not as many as altar boys were, but some. Just look it up on line. We women are not so perfect either. Remember Jezebel?
C&H when these so called nuns start espousing paganism and going beyond the Jesus narrative they are traitors and they should be meet the same fate as Judas
Thank you, Father Karl. Your drawing attention to the Jonestown KoolAid drinkers is quite a-propos!
There is no need for a ‘Union’ for Nuns. Every Order has its own specific calling such as – teaching, or nursing, or contemplative, etc.
Like all Catholics, Nuns are subject to the Doctrine of the Faith, not the possibility of picking and choosing what they choose to believe or of dissent on these matters.
‘NUNS on the BUS’, LCWR, and NETWORK have all been a disgrace, and have bordered on heresy and/or schism.
CCC: ” 2089 INCREDULITY is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
HERESY is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
APOSTACY is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;
SCHISM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. “
The nuns’ call for leadership, ie unions, is their plaintiff cry in the desert for bishops who are worth their salt … There is the problem, not the nuns. It has been a long time since Adam chose Eve over God; in the interim, Jesus arrived and provided the power and authority for His “new Adam on earth”, the pope and bishops to father and husband the Church and mankind in general. So, all blame goes to the popes and bishops who refuse to step up to the role of manhood required and backed by God.
We (including Nuns) are each responsible for our own sins.
Do not let the Nuns off the hook because there is weak leadership among many US Bishops.
Anonymous, I have a question regarding your comment above – Who is Kenneth Fisher?
He posts here. He is the founder of Concerned Roman Catholics of America. He has been involved in California politics and California’s traditional catholic community for decades.
Anonymous, thank you for your reply regarding who Kenneth Fisher is. He told me, a few weeks ago, that I had better get with the modern Church and I have asked him twice to please define ‘Modern Church’ which he has not done. Guess he makes statements but does not reply. Thank you again for your response.
Skai: I don’t quite follow your logic. Do you mean that the popes and bishops should stop pussyfooting around with the recalcitrant sisters and
simply toss them out into the world? If that is what you mean, you have my full agreement. This farce has been going on far too long.
This has blossomed into a full-fledged scandal that needs to end, the sooner the better. These women appear in no mood to submit to
Gods commandments.
Skai, I accidentally posted a message for you below Pat’s when it should have been below yours. Just scroll down please.
Our Popes have been trying. They give us sound teaching through their Motu Proprios, Ecclesiastical Letters, the ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church’, etc.
Unfortunately many US Bishops continue to do their own thing – which does not include teaching the Faith accurately. The are too involved with their PACs – political action committees which are the USCCB and State Conferences.
However each individual is responsible for his/her own actions. Jesus will judge us by our own words and deeds. It is wrong to blame our own actions on someone else – and the Nuns who belong to the LCWR are responsible for their own actions as well.
The LCWR, Network and Nuns on the Bus do not adhere to Church Doctrine. If they read and adhered to the content of the CCC, which contains the Doctrine of the Faith, they would be following Christ.
Skai, bad nuns most often back bad priest. Get a grip!
I do see though, Skai, where there might be some nuns who need to report sexual abuses at times, but we should know them by their actions and words. They certainly would not back such things as “same-sex marriages”, etc.
” The Leadership Conference statement avoided any discussion of the substantive issues mentioned in a Vatican report that was released last April, which pointed to a pattern of dissent from Church teachings and “serious theological, even doctrinal errors” in the nuns’ statements and in addresses to their assemblies. ”
” But Ann Carey, …. observed ….. that the group has not taken any concrete action to address the Vatican’s concerns. ”
This means that the LCWR has no intention of remaining “Catholic”, but of continuing to do their own thing, which gives great SCANDAL; is heretical; and is schismatic.
Meaning: nothing will change, the leading conference on Wiccan revolutionaries will continue to spread dissent and still go beyond the “Jesus narrative”….Defrock and excommunicate and be done with it
” “a resolution of this situation that maintains the integrity of LCWR and is healthy for the whole church.”” I think what is at stake is the integrity of the LCWR, if I understand the Vatican directives which have heretofore been ignored. If these sisters wish to retain the status quo, it will be only because they continue to have deep and profound conversations which go on endlessly. If the Church wants its sisters to remain on the “cutting edge” by their dissent and strange theology, then “extraordinarily rich and deeply reverent conversation” should do nicely.
I once belonged to one of the congregations in the LCWR. It is very sad to see a once vibrant community reduced to a handful as no one is entering. One of the sisters said to me, “Our community is dying”. Well, no wonder. They threw out habits, communal prayer, are living in apartments instead of convents. They continue, those few still there, to minister, but very few are teaching, which was the original charism of the order.
It appears that the bishops in areas where these ladies run hospitals, etc. need to find suitable replacements before declaring all those administrative people outside of the Church, and to nullify those vows. We are spinning our wheels, otherwise. It’s all well and good to recognize what has happened, but what to do about all this is going to take a lot of work, prayer, and sacrifice. These women have truly put themselves ourside the Church and need to be publicly set “free”.
Why don’t such bishops simply sell the formerly Catholic hospitals and go about being bishops instead of wheeler dealers? Jesus rejected the drug offered Him on the Cross; so why do the bishops sop it up … money? Invitations to dinners? The only point deciding whether a soul enters Heaven seems to be location of burial … if in a Catholic grave yard, then they’re in, otherwise they have to hang with the Hell bound.
Eve shared and then acted out her honest views with Adam and look what happened! These women are modern day Eves who are pulling many souls back into the Garden of Disobedience. They plot rebellion pitting themselves against God thus as St. Irenaeus said, “becoming causes of death for themselves.”
Taken from Catholic Culture – The Fathers of the Church and the New Eve
“The words of another Father of the second century, St. Irenaeus, carry special weight. For St. Irenaeus not only traveled widely throughout the Christian world, residing at different times in both Asia Minor and in Gaul, but he was also a friend of St. Polycarp-and St. Polycarp had been a disciple of St. John the Apostle. Thus St. Irenaeus is but one step removed from the Apostle. Moreover, he is known to have listened eagerly to St. Polycarp’s recollections of St. John.14 There are several passages15 in the writings of St. Irenaeus in which Mary is compared to Eve. Probably the most important of these is found in his work Against Heresies: Just as she … being disobedient, became a cause of death for herself and the whole human race: so Mary … being obedient, became a cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race.16
These words of St. Irenaeus could imply that Mary was associated with Christ as the New Eve even on Calvary. But he continues with a comparison that is even more suggestive:…
Cont. from 10:45 am post.
Taken from Catholic Culture – The Fathers of the Church and the New Eve
“But he continues with a comparison that is even more suggestive:… for in no other way can that which is tied be untied unless the very windings of the knot are gone through in reverse: so that the first joints are loosed through the second, and the second in turn free the first…. Thus, then, the knot of the disobedience of Eve was untied through the obedience of Mary.”
The Devil Dances every time there is dissent and confusion. Dance one Devil Dance for the trap you set for the consecrated is catching them in droves. They are dancing on their way to hell!
How arrogant can one be to think that they know better than the Church which Christ himself founded and protected for 2000 years.
You come along and think you know better than God himself? Than saints that rose to high levels of holiness as they founded your religious communities?
Good luck, for when you encounter that Christ, you better have a good answer to his questions. I visited a nun who is now in her 80’s works for a diocese and lives in a single apartment with furnishings after a high flying career of teaching and making loads of money. It’s a far cry from the religious order she joined before Vatican II. She left that life and redefined her life even after her vows.
I could not help but notice the loneliness and the attempt to self-justify. Bottom line, they have no vocations and they are getting none.
Why do articles like this and others continue to report that 80% of nuns belong to this dissident group? This is not truth. Perhaps 80% (and I think that is a high number) of their leaders belong to LCWR, but 80% of religious do not fit into the category of being disobedient toward the Church and to their spouse, Jesus Christ. It’s clear the dissident ones are dying off and women who love Christ and His Body, the Church, look for Faithful religious orders to join.
Even if 100% of them belong to this group, they have so devastated religious life for women, less than 1% of American catholics have ever seen a nun. (or shall it be said, a shadow of former nuns ) It does not matter really at this point. These post concilliar nuns are dying off. No vocations, nothing. Those that are not dead are planning their retirement accounts with no community to take care of them.
Reminds one of the Vision of Hell St. Don Bosco had of one of his boys, running towards hell and Our Lord asking the Saint not to attempt to stop him, for he was running from God’s justice.
If the Holy See had wanted to do anything for these orders, they should have done so in 1969. Its too late now. Let them die out.
Nun of the Above
Last Easter Season the SF Chronicle (aka Frisco ‘Crock-a-bul’; Or ‘Crock’ – After Editor Phil ‘Lizard Bait’ Bronstein’s fabled lunch of Komodo Dagon)…
– Ran one of the most obscenely degrading images of a Catholic Nun I have every seen, and I speak as someone who watched the entire ‘3 Stooges’ movie, and only gagged a few times at the role played by GleeDyke jane Lynch, as a superior ‘mother’ of the Lavender Mafia.
The Male Drag Queen / ‘’twysted Syster of indulgence’ Mockery was typical.
From yard stick wielding penguins, to amerikan horror stories, to the aforementioned 3 Stooges, which is not only one of the worst movies ever made – but also aggressively Anti Catholic throughout….
Nuns have taken a beating of late, and for the Majority it is beyond unjust, at too much of it comes from Catholics speaking in an Un-Christian manner about them.
I do make Exception for MISANDRISTS (a small but Hyper Militant Activist group within the larger community) – using their Bad Habits to destroy the Hated ‘Y-DNA Hetero Patriarchy’ from within.
As for the ‘Womyn-Priest’ Farce…
Even with the loss of their gay genes, many Protestant Churches may have more homosexuals in the pulpit than parishioners in the pews.
The Congregation meets in a tent in a parking lot – but the Gaystapo keep the building and the bank accounts.
‘Our’ Womyn-Priestsesesss are doubtless welcome to set up shop there and see if they can attract more than flies and fleas as followers.
I agree that rather than give SCANDAL which is a Mortal Sin, those Nuns who defy any true teachings of Christ’s Church should leave. Any Nuns who belong to these Orders should be fired from working in any Diocese, the USCCB, State Bishops Conferences, Parishes, etc.
The accurate teaching of the Church can be found in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
Any Order who’s leaders belong to the LCWR should be ashamed of themselves.
” The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved … and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. “ – Pope John Paul II. (pg 5)
The Church and the Nuns who want to get to Heaven do not need the LCWR, NETWORK, or Nuns on the Bus.
Do away with these unnecessary organizations, which merely allow cancer to spread.
These Sisters are “religious”… live in a convent, have a religious superior and take a “vow” of obedience…defying the Church, on matters of faith and morals or challenging the Pope and the College of Cardinals, does not speak of obedience, it speaks of “volcanic hubris”…utterly shameful and embarrassing to behold… most assuredly, not congruent with the vows they have taken nor the life they profess to live…
Nuns “defying the Church”: How are they supposed keep from defying the Church when the bishops don’t “father” them, as they are meant to do? In real estate it is “location, location, location”, but in the Church it is “leadership, leadership, leadership”: There is no episcopal leadership today … none for the nun especially. The bishops giving up their reign give the nuns free rein, and countless feign otherwise, as an excuse to blame the nuns for the escape of the bishops from the sheepfold. The nuns were never put in charge of the Church, but the bishops de facto now set them up to take the criticism that belongs to the bishops. It is the fault and sin of the bishops: What do people not get about two living popes saying even the curia is packed with festering Catholic wannabeez? The corruption makes what Martin Luther complained about look like the first lesion to appear on someone hit with bubonic plague. Pope Francis asked the whole world what can be done about it, and so far everyone has turned their gaze on the “evil” nuns and are preparing to throw them to the lions. For what? For acting like women without men: Because they are women without men, and without fathers … because the Heavenly Father is a man through the existence of the bishops, and the bishops have repudiated this delegation for all intents and purposes, so they can indulge the perverse realms of man/man and man/boy sexual activities, an idea acted out by coupling with the root of all evil which is the love of money. What craven and worthless piece of devil’s pride is a father who throws his girls to the wolves so he can carry on with his subserviance to the devil? Meet a a significant portion of the members of the highest papal advisory committe, the Curia.
Well, Lot threw his two virgin daughters to the Sodomites, who rejected them, because they wanted to rape the angels of God instead. There is certainly a parallel to be found today, as bishops and popes offer up their daughters, the nuns, to the sodomite devils. Apparently these bishops suppose it better to protect the angels of God … what obscene vanity!
When I think how wonderful Catholic periodicals struggle to keep going, and provide high quality and thought provoking articles completely and utterly in keeping with authentic Catholic teaching, barely managing on a shoe string budget and much prayer, and then read today that the anti-Catholic contorter gets $2.3 mil to cover the holy cow controversy and their moooooving stories I am completely disgusted with these useless women who dare to call themselves nuns and a corrupt and subversive ‘paper’ that dares to call itself Catholic…satan never sleeps and is alive and well in these grotesque parodies of what God intended women to be. They make me utterly ashamed at how twisted and useless women can become through vanity, pride and deceit. And there are always helpful heretics ever ready to spread the farm fresh dung provided by the old girls on the secular back forty. ‘Nones’ for choice, indeed! Aren’t their cud chewing days about over? They no sooner find a new patch of grass the it’s become another news story to unload to the world.
PS, I apologize for my bovine allusions! It was unkind and unfair. Cows never pretend to be anything other than what they’re not and are always true to their cowiness. I love cows and feel like a brute for so demeaning their innate gentleness and faithful service to mankind! . Also, the reason I find these women so objectionable is that they’re supposed to be brides of Christ and instead they’re pretending to be his followers when they’re basically serving another lover entirely and make a mockery of the role of nuns in service to the Church and especially to Christ. Jesus said we cannot serve two masters, and these women have to decide if they’re going to repent and return to their Bridegroom or break away entirely to serve the prince of this world. It’s that simple. That’s all I’m going to say on this distasteful subject.
Bovidae are not always gentle…Syncerus caffer has more than once crushed the life out of a “white hunter”, intent on putting his head on a game room wall…”M’bogo looks at you as if you owe him money”…bad, bad juju…
Duncan, if you want a hunting challenge somewhat more difficult than cape buffalo, then go after rhino and elephant poachers. There are organizations you can join.
Wholleee Sacred Cowiness Batman
Dana Dana – One need never “apologize for bovine allusions”, for they are the true nectar of milk fed dream acts, and of course global flatulence.
Speaking of Horatio Algore, I wasn’t there when he invented the internet, but arrived early enough to see the smoke from their campfires on the electronic frontier – kind of like burning tires, 0nly fruitier.
Anywayyy – Nuns are a Tough Subject in part because we were taught to respect them – kind of like sacred cows, only with habits & beads instead of bells. So when some stray from the reservation and dance with the devil in the pale moonlight, it can be a bit disconcerting to ‘correct’ them.
Unfortunately, the bad apples hide amongst the good ones and throw rocks at the rest of us, and we are too polite to cleanse the barrel before bobbing.
Some Nuns probably shouldn’t have professed, anything other than Misandry – which sadly seems to fuel so many of the radical gender feminist holdovers from the past.
However – your sage like insights show you have truly Grocked the Essence of the Conundrum:
“Cows never pretend to be anything other than what they’re not and are always true to their cowiness.
I weep at the purity of such blinding logic, may we all be endowed with such pasteurized bovine visions.
**How’s The Cow?
Sir – She walks, she talks, she’s full of chalk. The lacteal fluid extracted from the female of the bovine species is highly prolific unto the Nth degree.
haha. I liked the ‘sage’ insights, Michael and ‘bad juju’, Duncan. Alas, the beauty and delight of the English language can lead some of us astray, me thinks…we leave one end for one that stinks, better leave the pun hijinx and wander back to wayward finks.
Reform at the Vatican is Job #1. From the fruits of that effort can flow other reforms, including visiting with the Nuns, priests, Bishops and Cardinals. For now, the Nuns look just a bit more holy while sticking to their knitting while the Vatican bureaucracy continues to distance itself from the true needs of the Church. Nuns Rock!
And yet, as far as I can tell, no one in the Vatican or the Archbishop in charge, has said what the nuns did wrong. They are congradulated for their good works, but castigated for not doing what?
Bob One, why would you think that unholy bishops would even know what was right or wrong? You do recall, don’t you, that both Pope and Pope Emeritus have called the unholy bishops to holiness. Those calls were published; however, when is the last time you read any reply by a bishop? Never? Well,
This website needs technical help. I’m getting tired of the name window being inconsistent, and aggravated that the comment box disappears randomly when the wrong button is hit …
I haven’t seen those problems yet, Skai.
Probably the nsa spying tools are interfering with your computer functions, Skai. Better give them a call and ask them to tone it down a notch. I didn’t have access to my emails for a week after writing a letter to the Whitehouse about abortion.
Also, my phone was tapped (a big space gap between the ring and when a voice came on) . Probably when writing our emails we should include them in our greetings just to be polite. Hi Bob, Sue and nsa agent. How are ya’ll?
Our current administrator was absent the day they taught Democracy 101 in his muslim school in S.E. Asia.
That happened to our phone too, Dana, for quite sometime. It is extremely annoying. Does that always mean the phone is being tapped? Anyway they do not get any information from me, other than what I want them to know as I am always aware that the possibility exists, and I am not a telephone talker. My husband uses it much more than I do. Another strange thing happened on my computer. When I got some messages a pile of e-mail addresses showed up behind the messages for me on both sides. It was very strange. I had not idea to whom the addresses belonged, and there were hundreds of them on one message. It had never happened before, but I avoided sending out anything.
Correction to fourth line from bottom: “no idea” not “not idea”. Anyway I am going to avoid posting too much any where. Sometimes it is just better to be like the Wise Old Owl.
Well, Anne, all I can say is if you’ve donated money to pro-life causes, pro-marriage causes, or received or forwarded any tea party emails, you are definitely on a list. That’s why they have miles of square (or rectangular) warehouses in Utah, Mich. Nevada and who knows where else just chock-a-block full of our phone calls, emails etc. and then process it to get more information about others on our email lists etc. I would say you’ve had your phones tapped at some point. There’s an echo=y quality to the calls too. Mine lasted for several months and they must have given up out of sheer boredom. haha. What they plan to do with all that information is anyone’s guess, but any air head would know it’s not for our good when they call Catholics extremists along with Al Queda (not to be confused with Al Capone or Al Smith) in their secret army list which keeps us from getting proper Christmas gifts and puts coals in our stockings. When a president is making a dozen illegal decisions over-riding the consent of Congress in a matter of days, you know this country is at the edge of some sort of anarchist end game, as we’re supposedly a republic ruled by laws, and how ironic we have a so-called Christian/so-called Constitutional lawyer/so-called American/so-called ‘democratic’ president who apparently couldn’t tell you ten cohesive explanations about any of them. No wonder young people freak out on stage as though demonically possessed.
Skai, do those problems occur only when you are visiting this site? Did you try using a different browser? I had a lot of trouble accessing this site using Firefox. After switching to Opera, things have been a lot smoother. I currently have plug-ins, JavaScript, and animated images disabled. If some website wants me to enable any of those things, then I won’t visit that website. Do you have trouble with your computer in other areas?
The garbage reminds me of the Sisters of the Most Holy and Immaculate Heart of Mary imploding in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles in the late 1960’s and the early 1970’s.
Create a new, orthodox alternative to the LCWR. Those that want to remain as religious can switch allegiances. Those that do not can prepare to reenter the world.
What’s not acceptable is this middle “dialogue” state that does nothing but do damage to the Church. Fish or cut bait!
Completely agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no need for an alternative to the LCWR. Different Orders of Nuns with different ‘callings’ have no need for a UNION type organization. – This type of organization within the Faith merely helps to spread cancer, the cancer of deceit, and of pride, and of disobedience.
The Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious was formed by those who were unhappy with political leanings and dissent in LCWR in the ’80s.
There is a lot of hatred for Nuns and Sisters in our world, from Catholics and non-Catholics alike.
Recently in Egypt, convents were burned and Nuns in habit were paraded around the streets by Muslims who treated them like “prisoners of war.”
In the media, Nuns are parodied for being mean and hitting children with a ruler.
Also in the media, and in the Church, Nuns who don’t wear habits are mocked and called “short-haired” lesbians — as if Women Religious should spend hours and dollars on fancy hairdos.
You just can’t win.
I pray for the Sisters throughout the world, whether they are in habit, or whatever, hoping they can carry out their varied ministries with joy, holiness, and that they can endure the insults they get from the right and the left every day.
The fact that the Vatican, or the local Bishop, or some parishioners, are on their case for being too conservative, or too liberal, is nothing new…
Wrong Michal LCWR is a cancer that has been spreading dissent for decades it should be broken up, with its members given the choice to either tow the Church’s position or get excommunicated, this constant “dialogue” does nothing
Canisius, your many angry postings show how much you hate women, which is not surprising given your childhood.
I hope you will one day get over this hatred, perhaps through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
I will pass thanks…its too empowering
Michael understand, I do not hate all women, some yes, lesbians without a doubt they are a blight on the human race along with their gay counter parts
Michael, nuns and sisters have always shorn their hair, but they used to all wear a veil to feminize it. Most in my area, thank God, still wear the veil.
If ALL Orders of Nuns adhered to the teachings of Jesus and His Church, they would not violate the Doctrine of the Faith contained in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
They would not support abortion, contraception, voluntary sterilization or any other non-negotiable. They would not support the Democratic Party of Death nor would they support Obamacare.
By reading the CCC you will be able to accurately separate truth from lies, fact from fiction – as to exactly what the Church teaches.
The way they are running this website is now a little bit questionable…..I had a comment here discussing our love for our devout holy nuns as well but they did not allow to go through….like I suggested before…maybe get rid of the comment section instead of having this petty way of running things. Maybe then too, you may get more donations….I am on a budget and my donations that I donate monthly go to different places and thus far it wasn’t hard for me to decide where they should go, mostly to more worthy causes but I have no time to recollect what I said and to try to re-post is not what a seek to do. I have been praying about your website lately, I also have other great resources that give us news on what is happening in our church and faith…there are many. This is probably the only website news that I have made donations too ever, perhaps I felt the should after all it gave me a sense to speak my mind on issues affecting us. I don’t care if some agree or not, but ………………
PAM, that’s a total crock of fantasy. Catholicism is not a religion of “adhering” to anything; it is the following of Jesus. You feminists don’t even know what you’re talking about. Jesus is neither the CCC or the Bible, but leads through His willing and faithful bishops. The bad news for today is that there are not many bishops who are willing to lead as persona Cristi. All you have to do to get a grip on the reality, PAM, is consider the tens of thousands of Protestant denominations which have long adopted the “adherence to a book” mentality … That is the consequence of your recommendation. The Popes are not telling the nuns to adhere to a book, but telling the bishops to become holy: so that the faithful will follow them and thus follow Jesus. If you think you’re Catholic, you’ve got a problem. Perhaps you’re a Catholic in faith, but your reasoning is Protestant.
To repeat what I wrote several months ago, the nuns that trained and taught me in grammar school were saints, and they are partially responsible for my vocation to the priesthood. My father, a Protestant physician, treated all the good nuns gratis (as well as the priests he saw). I had never met a nun I did not like or respect , as they were a visible sign of God and His holy Church.It was not until I entered the seminary that I first experienced the radical nuns. One nun would ‘concelebrate Mass’ while a retreat was given. After my priestly ordination, some nuns would hide my vestments when I went to say Mass for them (at the pastor’s command). Once the host was substituted for a cookie when I was ready for the Offertory. And, two years ago, one of these obnoxious nuns sent e-mails to all the parishes in the diocese telling the priests that I used a pall when celebrating Mass and warned them that I was conservative. A holy sister dedicated to serving God and His Holy Church would not do such mean things. There are a few good congregations, and basically the sisters in Europe and elsewhere are not as radical as those in North America. I stand behind every word I have typed, and as God is my witness, all these are true facts.I pity the feminazi nuns because they are not filled with the joy of the Gospel.
Thank you Father Karl for informing us about those true facts. I have personally witnessed and heard many similar stories. I noticed that the President of Biola University was very embarrassed and humiliated when he saw how Diana Jimenez was retaliated against by other Christians for showing what abortion truly looks like in photos. The horrific treatment of Diana was caught right on video. The treatment of Diana certainly did not match up with the previous preachings of the University President so Biola University was basically forced and shamed into apologizing to Diana Jimenez for their extremely Un-Christian retaliation against a fellow Christian. Sound familiar? Diana’s mistreatment is not that unusual or difficult to imagine. We have witnessed many of our faithful priests being mistreated in the same fashion by fellow clerics. As Catholics we HAVE the fullness of the faith. Should we have to get video evidence of faithful priests and faithful seminarians, faithful professors and faithful Catholic school teachers being retaliated against for simply believing and teaching what the Catholic Church teaches! Would our shepherds ignore the video or take action? For years our shepherds ignored the pleas of parents as evidence grew and payouts were made. Meanwhile, much of the same cancerous disloyalty that helped to foster the sex abuse scandals is still thriving in Universities and Catholic schools and throughout many a diocese. May God continue to uphold and richly bless you Father Karl for your faithfulness. You are in good company. (cont.)
“Imitate the saint: John of the Cross’s constant prayer was “to suffer and to be despised,” and this prayer literally tailed him throughout his life. As a founder of the Discalced Carmelites, he encountered many people who did not wish to reform the order, most of them being other Carmelites. On December 3, 1577, he was kidnapped by his fellow Carmelite friars and taken to a house in Toledo, Spain, where he was held prisoner for up to nine months. While he was imprisoned, he suffered torture, public flogging, extremely cramped living conditions, and sickness. However, he also received a great deal of consolation from the Lord during that time, and it was then when he wrote his famous poem “Spiritual Canticle” as well as many other poems. On August 15, 1578, he found a way to escape, and went to Saint Teresa’s convent to be nursed back to health before returning to establish more monasteries of Discalced Carmelites. Although John of the Cross suffered greatly, especially by the hands of his own spiritual brothers, he did not stop loving the Lord and others and continued to carry out whatever the Lord asked of him.”
“A quote to think about: “Beloved, all that is harsh and difficult I want for myself, and all that is gentle and sweet for thee,” and “In tribulation immediately draw near to God with confidence, and you will receive strength, enlightenment, and instruction.”
Thank you for sharing that information. Those are not doctrinal issues. That is plain meanness.
Then, Anonymo, you do not comprehend the results of straying from sound doctrine or do you seem to understand the importance of doctrine.
When Nuns are good, they are very very good but when they are bad, they are horrid.
I do not understand some of these comments calling Catholic Sisters arrogant and twisted. How is it that there are so many faithful Catholics who have had such a negative view of women who have devoted themselves to the life of Christ? While I’ve certainly met a few individual sisters who were unfriendly or unjust, they were the exception. My experience with the good sisters:
Teachers of Catechism, Leaders of Retreats, Organizers of Youth Ministry, Principals of Catholic Schools, Community Outreach Workers to Marginalized Populations – often to Catholics of Color, Public Witnesses to the Faith, Spiritual Directors, Teachers of Math/Science/Religion/etc., Employment Specialists for Impoverished Youth, Leaders of Prayer…. and this is just off the top of my head.
Could old fashioned sexism and clericalism explain it?
You’re either deliberately obtuse, pete, or one slice short of a loaf if you think we were talking about ALL women religious. We’re talking about rebellious nuns bucking Church teaching and making mockery of Church authority to the entertainment of a cynical world. The vast majority of nuns, especially the younger or newer orders are a blessing and a joy and we should all pray for their continued growth as they expand around the world. I pray for them everyday…do you, pete? Send them a contribution…Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist is an excellent choice…https://www.sistersofmary.org/
PS. I’m using the wrong term too, I think. Aren’t nuns only in convents living the cloistered life? These women are sisters. And all are just laity basically because women can’t be ordained, right? They’re all called ‘religious’, like Franciscan brothers and monks?
Sister:Nun::Brother::Monk
And all 4 are religious
No…nun’s take solemn vows, sister’s who ARE NOT nun’s take perpetual or simple vows. Brother’s who take solemn vows, are “monk’s”…religious brothers who take simple vows are brothers but not monk’s…o.k.
Okay, thanks guys. So nuns can be out and about in the world. I suppose they’re called cloistered nuns if they’re not.
St. Peter….May God bless you by enlightening you for at least admitting that when it comes to speaking off of the top of YOUR head that you are not wise and that you do not understand. That was very humble of you…..that is unless you are just another roving troll defending wrongdoing. St. Peter wept when he later reflected on how he denied Christ three times. How many times have you denied Christ by defending or enabling Judases and dissenters on this website? The head of our Church is Jesus Christ and today fidelity IS often the rare exception to the many ruling authoritative powers of infidelity which ultimately led many Catholics to vote for the false king Herod. Many of these sisters are in complete lockstep with Obama’s specific evil agendas. Being an ostrich OR an unfaithful servant does not change the facts. All of the above actions that you described are NOT pleasing to God if these sisters are simultaneously inspiring people to rebel against God by rebelling against HIS Church. Please pull off the selective blinders Peter so that you too may one day become a saint. No one is denying that there are some very faithful orders now and in the past. Stop enabling spiritual neglect by denying the many sins of omission and commission. St. Peter also did not fully understand the “fullness” of the faith when he questioned Jesus…. “Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men.”…Matthew 16:23
ALL Nuns do not accurately teach the Faith, nor do they live the Faith.
The LCWR, NETWORK and Nuns on the Bus do not adhere to ALL of the teachings of Jesus and His Church. They are schismatics and/or heretics. Teaching error – that is not in full accord with the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” is not being Catholic or Faithful.
There are Orders of Nuns who do are Faithful and do not belong to these dissident groups (who also support the Democratic Party of Death and their programs).
The Conrad N. Hilton Foundation has awarded (heretical and schismatic)publication “National Catholic REPORTER” a $2.3 million grant to provide publicity for a leadership group of Women Religious who are known for their “far-left” feminist views that are not in keeping with the Church’s teachings.
https://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/08/24/Dissident-National-Catholic-Reporter-Grants-2-3-Million-To-Cover-Vatican-Controversy-With-Feminist-Nuns
Pete: it is expressly because of the trust that has been afforded women religious in carrying out the ministries that you listed, that the result is so devastating when they lead others away from the Truth.
I too benefited from truly holy sisters who taught when I was a child. Some continued on that path to their final reward. There are likewise new orders of religious who are orthodox in their ministries and these are the orders that are growing. Our diocese has been blessed with the work of some of these women.
However, I have personally witnesses sisters who champion contraception, abortion and same-sex marriage, especially those who are in executive positions in health care organizations (I have written to them and their bishops, whom they ignore). I have also witnessed sisters who teach a form of feminist thinking that women should be priests (local Ordinary barred them from any teaching in the that diocese). Homosexuality condoned and witchcraft practices used in other cases. the sister in a local parish who was the “liturgical director” had people dancing with hula-hoops and burning corn husks, while waving them around, “blessing” the congregation and bowing to the directions of the setting/rising sun and the “seasons of the earth”. The Bishop in this case escorted her (and the priests that allowed these things) out of the diocese. He also invited another sister to leave when it was learned that she taught a watered-down version of the faith in RCIA.
I have run into nuns in various circumstances. They can be amazingly mysterious and amazingly insightful. Most memorable: I was rounding a corner on my ten speed bike at full speed and headed towards the church parking lot, when some fool car drivers did some outlandishly stupid moves and put me in jeopardy. So I gave them a mixture of my booming voice rife with anger, and hatred of their indolent stupidity, coupled with a one finger salute. As I turned my head forward again, I noticed rather shockingly across the street a large gaggle of full habit nuns, all focused on me with one of those indescribable looks. Maybe the interpretation of their looks is that they all saw the peril and prayed instantly and I was delivered … and the drivers were delivered also from my even worse wrath. But of course the looks in their faces also instilled into me a better insight into the eventuality of eternity and the immediacy of mortality.
Nice story, Skai, and weren’t you blessed! I think you’re temper tantrum was just a way to release all that fear from your close call, which is only natural, and I’m sure the nuns realized it. Did you smile ruefully at them and give them a courtly bow? ;0)
1.”They can be amazingly “mysterious” and amazingly insightful. ”
2. “But of course the looks in their faces also instilled into me a better insight into the eventuality of eternity and the immediacy of mortality. ”
JLS, God bless you! You just solved your own mystery! I was confident that you would eventually express it and today you did. The reason the looks in their faces also instilled you into a better insight into the eventuality of eternity and the immediacy of mortality is because they ADHERE TO all of the teachings of the Catholic Church, which just happened to be contained in the CCC Second Edition.
I am glad you remember their faces.
Thesaurus – Adhere to
Verb
1. follow, keep, maintain, respect, observe, be true, fulfil, obey, heed, keep to, abide by, be loyal, mind, be constant, be faithful All members adhere to a strict code of practice.
2. be faithful, follow, support, respect, observe, be true, obey, be devoted, be attached, keep to, be loyal
All nun’s are sister’s, but not all sister’s are nun’s…nun’s take solemn vows, sisters take simple or perpetual vows…same holds for monk’s, who are like nun’s in that they take solemn vows…all monk’s are “brothers” but not all “brother’s” are monks…hope this has cleared up all ambiguity…it is in the taking of “solemn” vows, that a sister becomes a “nun” and a brother becomes a “monk”…
The only valid leadership group for women religious is the episcopacy. Anything else is not leadership but running amok. Few people are replying to my constant harping on this point … because they do not know Catholicism and what they think it is is in reality feminism. Americans have been so enculturated with protestantism and feminism for a century now that even Catholics hardly are aware of the difference. How many Catholic bishops are quoted to illustrate real Catholicism? One? Two? Three? Where is the list? Or perhaps a list is not even necessary because it is so easy to remember one or two. Let’s see: Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Cardinal John Henry Newman … No Canadian or Mexican or other Latin American bishops come to mind over the five centuries of Catholicism in North and South America … oh, and there is also Servant of God, Archbishop Romero of San Salvador, but I never read of quotes from him. No wonder the Popes are calling bishops to become holy … without it, the Church is a hypocrite, which Pope Francis has announced recently.