More properly known as Divine Word Retreat Center, the Divine Word Seminary serves as home for retired and active Divine Word Missionaries in the hills of western Riverside.
The 125-bed dormitory-style facility with industrial sized kitchen, dining room, multi-purpose room with stage and screen, conference rooms, chapel for adoration, full-sized chapel for Mass, still includes the “5:30 Latin Mass” on its website.
But according to a letter sent to California Catholic Daily the Traditional Latin Mass has been cancelled by the new rector.
The Masses took place in the Stone House Chapel – see photos here.
California Catholic readers are invited in Comments section below to report the closings of other traditional Latin Masses in California.
As it should be. The liturgical reform was mandated by the highest Church authority and is irreversible. The unreformed, preconciliar Mass is tolerated by way of exception, but it is going to be phased out of usage completely. Of course, the reformed Mass that replaced it must be celebrated authentically, and many bishops will have to enforce adherence to liturgical norms. Simply decommissioning the 1962 Missal isn’t sufficient.
It is not irreversible. Changes to the liturgy occur often, sometimes because of error, like the recent instruction not to say “One God” but just “God:
He means that Vatican II’s call to leave the old liturgy behind is irreversible. Pope Francis has taught so. The New Mass is the future of the Church, but of course the New Mass will have slight changes made to it from time to time. The point is that the New Mass is the only Mass for the Church after Vatican II. That’s what’s irreversible.
If you read the document on the liturgy, it does not change the mass much or even mandate no Latin. The modernist cardinals that created the new liturgical norms that did that.
It’s a false statement to say that “the new Mass is the only Mass for the Church after Vatican II; that’s what’s irreversible.” It’s completely reversible. When a future reforming pope comes along, he can absolutely reverse it. That’s just a fact.
Second point, what about those of us in the Byzantine Rite? We don’t have “the new Mass” and never will.
But a future pope won’t because he won’t defy the mandate of Vatican II.
And the context of the discussion is the Roman Rite, not the Eastern Rites.
Dear Phase Out- ….You should read that document you referred too. This seminary could have kept it if it wanted. Read, think, study, and then post.
Krause Schwab and The New World Order at work.
This is petty nastiness. sadly coming from the top.
Look up the response from Father James Mawdesley.
You make me laugh
Our excellent Abp. Cordileone has been busy expanding opportunities for the amcient, beautiful Tridentine Latin Mass in our Archdiocese. Many devout Catholics, young and old, are interested, and find rich spiritual treasure therein. Modernistic, 20th century beliefs, liturgies, church architecture, and religious practices of the last 50+ years– are not for everyone. Our ancient religious roots of two millenia, are excellent, timeless,
and will endure to the Second Coming of Christ, when the Mass shall cease. No doubt, modernistic beliefs, liturgies and religious practices will also seek to endure to the very end, when Christ comes again. But when Christ comes again, for us, His children– the Mass shall end, as He foretold. The Mass and Sacraments are a means to sanctify us and prepare us for Christ, and for Heaven.
I don’t think an Archbishop can be said to be excellent when he openly defies the wishes of the Roman Pontiff.
You need a better education in our Catholic Faith. Many good Cardinals abd Bishops question the canonical legitimacy of the modernist pope’s recent crackdown on the Latin Mass. Only the Pope’s closest modernistic-oriented clerics agree with it. And modernist beliefs are not very close to God nor religious, as modernism is an un-Christian philosophy rooted in the evil of the world.
Ok then, “Second Coming,” name at least 20 of the “many good cardinals and bishops who question the canonical legitimacy” of “Traditionis custodes” openly.
Read the news, for yourself, jon. It’s all there.
No, Second Coming, it’s not all there in the news. You made the claim of many cardinals and bishops questioning the canonicity of Traditionis custodes, so you prove your own claim. In our society the person making a claim is bound to prove it if called upon. I am calling on you to prove your claim. Otherwise what you wrote is false.
If there are, as you say, many good bishops who question the canonical legitimacy of the Pope’s direct authority in all matters liturgical, let them come forward and so state it boldly and not be so passive aggressive and mealy mouthed about it. Let them show that they are in open revolt of the authority of the Roman Pontiff.
Just Sayin,” you need to get caught up on the news. There are lots and lots of news stories, about all of this, in good Catholic news sources. I just read a news story today, all about bishops and canonists questioning the validity of the motu proprio, and questioning the validity of the subsequent Vatican reply, to questions regarding its implementation.
Well, then, “Second Coming,” go ahead and name at least 20 of these “many cardinals and bishops” who are questioning the canonicity of “Traditionis custodes” openly. We’re all waiting.
But will happen after Cordileone?
Whenever the altar cloth is askew it distracts me.
I wonder how stable was the community that attended it? Did the priest(s) who said the masses try to promote some sort of agendas that may have instigated the diocean hierarchy? Was there a cult-like following with them? I’m not asking these questions just to be downvoted, I’m genuinely curious.
The Diocese of Helena has just announced that the TLM will be prohibited anywhere and everywhere in the diocese as of Ash Wednesday.
Deo gratias!
May California follow the example and embrace Vatican II fully instead of living in the past.
Very ignorant decision. Nothing praiseworthy here. California is already committed to modernism and the Devil. Very little Christianity in California.
When ever a priest brings his dog into the sanctuary it distracts me. When ever a bishop forbids kneeling to receive communion it distracts me too.
Hey “Phased Out”. Remember these?
2 Thessalonians 2:15 “ Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”
Origen
“Although there are many who believe that they themselves hold to the teachings of Christ, there are yet some among them who think differently from their predecessors. The teaching of the Church has indeed been handed down through an order of succession from the apostles and remains in the churches even to the present time. That alone is to be believed as the truth which is in no way at variance with ecclesiastical and apostolic tradition” (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:2 [A.D. 225]).
Your bias against traditional liturgy is against the church foundation. These folks who will attempt to destroy the ancient liturgy are trolls who stand merely on the shoulders of great theologians in which those theologians are privileged and blessed to kneel humbly in the presence of our Lord and Savior Jesus….Because they Have the Faith.
I personally attend more Novus Ordo Masses than I do TLM masses… However, the Ancient Traditional Latin Mass was never abrogated. Taking the Latin out of the church is like pulling out the brain and heart. Many saints were from the Ancient Rite and that is a fact that can never be undone.
Edward, isn’t it obvious that Christ wasn’t speaking about a particular style of Mass? Especially not speaking about a style that only became common a few centuries later and only codified a millennium and a half later? In fact, don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous to pretend as though Christ was talking at all about the TLM?
I will attend Mass wherever I can — approved or not approved by a rector.
You’re in luck because every Catholic church offers Mass. You don’t have to look nor travel far at all.
To find the solution to the current crisis in the Church go read Thief in the Night by William Sears
TLM is natural immunity
NO is the vaxx
Artificial, compelled, dangerous, and coerced.
And both the TLM and the unvaxxed are dying.
Ludicrous analogy from “Logic.” Comments and attitudes like this necessitated the writing of “Traditionis custodes.”
Just saying – No. Not according to the science known as statistics.
jon- It’s a metaphor, not an analogy. Care to share your basis for calling the metaphor “ludicrous”? It seems apt to me in many respects.
In the English language “Logic” a metaphor is a type of analogy in which we transfer meaning or information from a particular subject to another subject. Therefore identifying your ludicrous comparison as an analogy is not off-the-mark. However, your form of denigrating the sacrament of the Church in the Ordinary Form is more than ludicrous. It is irreverent, sinful, and makes a mockery of the means of transmitting God’s grace. I reiterate that it is this attitudes from folks like yourself that necessitated “Traditionis custodes.” Pope Francis is not to blame for the present restrictions on this beautiful Mass.
Pope Francis is responsible for the restriction on the Extraordinary Form. Or, we should say, on the use of the 1962 Missal.
Blame indicates that he did something wrong and he didn’t.
I am making a point here, “he didn’t.” For the rad-trads out there the Pope’s motu propio is akin to a major catastrophe. By casting “blame”, my point is to indicate to them that they are actually the ones responsible (to blame) for their own tragic catastrophe.
AS I have said before, I hold no brief on the TLM, having never been to one. But I seriously doubt those who love the TLM are responsible to blame for Francis’ TC. Francis’ and Francis alone bears the responsibility, be it for good or ill. He came to Rome with his mind made up long before any supposed polling of the world’s bishops. And being elected Pope, it is his right to have his mind made up. He is a through- and- through Jesuit, and that alone signaled the course he would set and continues to follow. For you Jon, TC is all good– for others, not so good. None of this effects me, except your finding responsibility, dare I say “fault”, in the wrong places.
The Pope is not punishing them for bad behavior. He is just doing what is best for the Church, for the Lord and for them.
It is not necessary to have two forms of the Roman Rite.
The reasons that Pope John Paul II and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI permitted the use of the 1962 Missal have past.
There is nothing wrong with either Mass.
It is wiser not to have two forms of the same rite.
So “Dan” here says he “has no brief on the TLM” then proceeds to cast negativity on the Holy Father. “Dan’s” claim of impartiality (“no brief”) is contradicted by the way he maligns the Pope.
Let us be under no illusion folks, it is the divisiveness of the exclusive-TLM-goers and the rad-trads that occasioned the writing of “Traditionis custodes.” Didn’t you people even read the motu propio? The Pope wrote it himself. The “blustering in the blogs” (thank you Archbishop Roche) would have you believe Pope Francis is “punishing” traditionalists. Nope. He is preserving the unity of the Church. He is leading the rad-trads to a safer spiritual pasture. But these disobedient folks (who have been disobedient frankly for decades) would have none of it. I am afraid if they do not use this time to repent, it may not go well for them. Beware.
jon – we agree! The vaccine and implementation are a denigration. We’ll have to disagree on the NO also being a denigration of the liturgy. Bless you and yours.
Your words mock the sacraments of the Church in the Ordinary Form.
We’ll see who’s really Catholic when the TLM is finally banned. You’re with the pope or you’re against him.
” “Dan’s” claim of impartiality (“no brief”) is contradicted by the way he maligns the Pope.” How silly of me to try very hard not to malign the pope and yet be charged with this very thing by Jon. Jon reads into things what he wants to read absent clear understanding of what he reads. So Jon, and I will say this yet again: It is Francis’ right to publish T. C. since he is the pope. From the beginning of his pontificate he inveighed against rigidity– the full flower of this stance was T.C. It is not casting aspersions on Francis to say that the issuance of T.C. was inevitable from the beginning. It’s just a fact unencumbered by any dark or lurking suspicions or condemnations. With these words, Jon, I hope any further elaboration is unnecessary.
I’m afraid “Dan” just simply can’t help himself. I mean, in spite of his protestations that he is “impartial”/”no brief” (as if saying that might magically imbue some sort of credibility to his following words), he still manages to betray his bias against the Pope. Yes, bias. Why bias? He has just contradicted what the Holy Father himself wrote in the accompanying letter to “Traditionis custodes” where the Pope plainly writes that one of the reasons for writing the motu propio is the survey from bishops. That survey, in addition to the fact that in his observation the Missal of 1962 is being used as a rejection of Vatican II, reveals that the Pope didn’t just go in there “from the beginning of his pontificate” with “Traditionis custodes” in mind. There were seven years, people, between his election in the conclave and the survey. How things would have been different if during those seven intervening years, the ex-Ecclesia Dei communities had reached out to the Pope and showed meaningful signs of their adherence to him and to the liturgical reforms of the Council. But instead, they used “Summorum Pontificum” to drive a wedge in the Church. Therefore “Dan” merely regurgitated the bias from the anti-Francis blogs and media; he merely followed the established anti-Francis narrative. So, you’re right “Dan” any further elaboration from you is unnecessary.
jon – I mocked nothing.
This from “Logic” is untrue. Check your comment from February 9, 2022 at 4:26 pm.
You have mocked and derided the Sacrament of the Church in the Ordinary Form.
Thoughts and prayers for all of my latinista friends.
The Novus Ordo was implemented so that the laity might “understand”, but ours is a MYSTERY FAITH. Like St. Anselm of Canterbury, with his motto, “Credo ut intelligam”, we believe in ORDER to understand, and this is why – for centuries – the educated and the non-educated could worship at the same altar, receive the same Sacrament, and possibly become saints. All of the “understanding” in the world won’t necessarily bring us to God, yet faith will. The old Mass employed all of our senses to this end. Its dimension was vertical, not horizontal. It connected us to family members, ancestors and the saints in heaven who had worshipped in the same way over the centuries. Allowing both the Novus Ordo and the Tridentine Rite to co-exist no more “divides” the Church than does the Church having a Byzantine Rite with married priests. The fact that Pope Benedict allowed and encouraged the old Mass to flourish and that Francis reversed this only proves that a future pope can UNDO what Pope Francis has done.