The following comes from a June 29 Vatican Insider article by Joshua McElwee, Vatican Correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter:
Many US Catholics want the church to “banish judgmentalism” of people in its ministries and to focus instead on getting close to them and understanding the struggles they face in their lives, the new bishop of San Diego said.
In an almost hourlong interview with National Catholic Register, Bishop Robert McElroy said while people want to be challenged by Gospel teachings, they are looking for a church that has “a sense of accepting people where they are and helping them to come farther.”
“When they speak about the contribution that Francis is making in their view, it draws very much from the type of spirituality of St. Francis of Assisi, which is so core to this pontificate,” McElroy said.
“A sense of mercy, a sense of joy, a sense of accepting people where they are and helping them to come farther, taking the next step in the light of the Gospel, but really trying to banish judgmentalism,” he said.
McElroy said the US bishops’ recent annual spring meeting in St. Louis saw the bishops ask themselves: “How do we take seriously the directions that Pope Francis is leading us toward in terms of transforming the life of the conference?”
Something that may help bishops at the synod in their discussions, McElroy said, is the theological notion of graduality.
“What that says is that many times, people in their lives cannot embrace the fullness of the Gospel at a given moment,” the bishop said. “They need to take steps toward it.”
He identified a possible question for the synod members: “How do you have the mercy which acknowledges that, supports that, and doesn’t make people feel terrible that they’re not at the fullness of acceptance — or even halfway toward acceptance — of this area of the Gospel that they’re finding hard to live out in their life?”
“When Christ in the Gospels encounters people who are troubled in various ways, he doesn’t sit down and give them a lecture first on what the truth is or on the fullness of the Christian life,” he said. “He first embraces them … with the love of God.”
After that, McElroy said, Christ “works to heal what it is that is impeding them in their life from peace and contentment, and, many times, the ability to live of the Gospel well.”
“Then, finally, [Christ] speaks about changing their lives,” he said.
“[Jesus’] first challenge to them is not to transform their lives,” he said. “The first challenge to them is to understand the depth of God’s love for them, in their concrete circumstances with all their strengths and all their weaknesses.”
More touchey feeley catholic hooha. Not the stuff of Martyrs. I guess “The Truth will set you free” no longer is in vogue.
What the Bishop is really saying is “banish Catholicism”. But, in reality, who cares? With Francis as Pope, and so many, many bad cardinals and bishops — especially in CA — it is noteworthy if a bishop says or does much at all that is Catholic.
That is the problem. The decision has been made to continue to fundamentally change the Church, for the worse. Sure people object here and there, but the tidal wave is too large; lead at its core by Francis. Like it or not, the Pope will be a huge hit in America and will continue the destruction of Catholicism in October’s Synod.
Sad but true.
Unfortunately Joe and St. Christopher are both right. The destruction of Catholicism in America has begun. Thank God that the Church in most African countries is still strong.
The destruction of Catholicism in the United States began in the 1960’s and has continually gained momentum. San Diego has been in the lead in many ways since then.
The ship seems like it has no rudder, but have faith. The storm She is being pulled into will help her fulfill her purpose and renew the branch of David. Take heart and trust that She cannot fall as others will fall. Patiently endure what comes, if it is our time. May The Lord write a scroll of remembrance for us who did not waiver in such times.
Pre-Vatican II, Mother Church was dogmatic in the pulpit and charitable in the confessional [there are also similar terms used to described that situation] and the churches were full and expanding.
Excellent, 6up: brevity is the soul of wit. You nailed it!
…And now, it seems exactly the reverse!
You are absolutely right; they are doing exactly what Obama vowed to do and is doing a spectacular job daily; transforming America into a Socialistic/communist country and it seems that many of our Bishops including our new Bishop are attempting to do the same thing. I know that God will prevail but it will be a fight to the finish. We hear so many say, “I do not recognize my country”; well I am now hearing “I don’t recognize my Catholic Church!” We have to pray that our Pope, Bishops, Archbishops and our Clergy will follow the way of Christ and forget all this touchy feely nonsense. There is a place for that but not in the way this Bishops stated it.
I don’t remember any dogma from the pulpit.
About 25 years ago, I and others in my parish, were asked if we would kindly serve as Baptism godparents– or sponsors– for the new RCIA program, which began in the 1970s. After doing some reading, I didn’t care for it, as it seemed to lack a solid catechesis. However, I did give it a try. Although some of the candidates were deeply sincere, loved Jesus, loved His Church, and were leading very good lives– others were not, and were badly in need of help, to properly prepare for the Sacrament, if they were serious. What could we do? I will continue…
After reading McElroy’s words (“[Jesus’] first challenge to them is not to transform their lives”) how can I not be a bit glad that he is no longer in the Bay Area? I mean, Jesus’ first words when he began his ministry was: “The kingdom of God is at hand; REPENT and believe in the Gospel” (Mark 1:15). Doesn’t he realize that the message of repentance inherently contains in it a message of God’s love. God admonishes those whom he loves.
jon, thanks for mentioning this!
Yes and he sent John the Baptist ahead of Him to offer the Baptism of repentance. (Acts 19:4)
I will continue, with my above post. So, some of us sponsors were given difficult candidates, for Baptism! They all wanted a nice church to join, and liked the Catholic Church. And the RCIA classes, as it turned out– were all mostly “touchy-feely,” with no solid religious instruction, at all! The leaders evaded correct answers, to most questions regarding Christian morality. My candidate, an older, well-dressed, wealthy, well-educated lady- told me she was bisexual, had lovers of both sexes, and currently, was having an affair with a well-respected married man, who was a Church employee! I will continue…
I will continue, with my post, above. So, I asked my candidate, what she thought of the deep hurt– because of her affair– to the married man’s wife and children, who were also involved in the parish. And what of the Ten Commandments? She replied that this was “between consenting adults,” and who cares about the dumb old 10 Commandments? She did as she pleased. So– why join the Church? Because she liked the Catholic Church, and thought it was socially good, was her reply. I suggested that she go and talk to one of the priests. But she said “no,” her life would not be discussed, nor would she change. I will continue…
So, I will conclude my story in this post. I went to see the Pastor myself, and told him of my difficult situation, in the RCIA class. He told me sternly, to completely forget about any candidate’s life and moral problems, “DO NOT JUDGE,” just go to class, do as they say, be nice, see it as just a nice social thing, in the Vatican II era! I said, “Don’t you care? And what about this man’s poor wife and kids??” The Pastor replied, that if this man had problems, he must see a priest himself, if he wished. Other than that– “do not judge,” forget it! So– I left his parish! What stupidity! Where was the real help, for this horrible situation??
“I cannot in good conscience sponsor this person.”
There is supposed to be a part in RCIA where they ask the sponsors if they think their candidate is ready. I knew someone who said no. The person they were sponsoring cried. They worked to learn the parts of the Faith where the sponsor thought their understanding was inadequate. They were accepted into the Church.
If that happenned in the right place and time, then fine, that was what was supposed to happen. If that happenned in public, not so fine. Surprises should not be a part of the public ritual life of the Church, especially when there are individual souls at stake.
It was in private, in the pastor’s office.
Pope Francis: “Who am I to judge.”
Clearly McElroy and Francis would like the Supreme Court to determine right from wrong. And, the Supremes will gladly take up the challenge, since the Church wants to be more tolerant of sin. I wonder what will happen at the judgment, do you suppose these clerics will be there to tell God, “Now let’s do this gradually… ” alas… “What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven…” has a smack of judgement for your own good to it. But then these guys probably haven’t read the Bible in years.
“Go and sin no more.” What a radical act of great justice and mercy. What trust and love to response to such a challenge. St. Mary Magdalene, pray for us.
Gradualism is worked out in the sacramental confession, right? It is the way of the penitent, responding to love and truth shown to them by God.
“Gradualism is worked out in the sacramental confession, right?”
Indeed it is. On the other hand, this public equivocation on good and evil on the part of the bishops is a pastoral disaster.
“Banishing judgmentalism” to me is a red herring to draw people away from condemning sin. Jesus did not call the woman caught in adultery an “adulteress,” identifying her by her sin. He did not tell her, “Try to do this less often so you can eventually be holy.” He said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, and do not commit this sin again.”
To admonish a sinner is a spiritual work of mercy. To instruct the ignorant is another so people know what is sin and what is good. To reidentify a person as a man or woman, a child of God weak toward the flesh in many ways, but with real hope of freedom from sin and allowing Christ to guide their whole lives is true mercy.
I will not be detoured from real mercy by misleading catch…
I will not be detoured from real mercy by misleading catch phrases like “banishing judgmentalism” in order to try to keep me from leading people to Jesus for truth and conversion. I will practice all of the spiritual works of mercy: Instruct the Ignorant, Counsel the doubtful, console the sorrowful, admonish the sinner, bear wrongs patiently, forgive all injuries, and pray for the living and the dead.
Thank God for priests such as you, Fr. Perozich. They literally saved my life, kept my marriage going for over fifty years and kept me out of a whole lot trouble. God bless you all.
What what
When His Excellency says, “A sense of mercy, a sense of joy, a sense of accepting people where they are and helping them to come farther, taking the next step in the light of the Gospel, but really trying to banish judgmentalism,” does he mean to “banish judgmentalism” about Catholics who love the “Extraordinary Form” Mass? Does he mean to apply “accepting people where they are” to pro-life activists?
The appointment of Bishop McElroy to San Diego moves the American Church to the left as has been the case since Pope Francisco’s election. Maybe instead of all this touchy-feely mercy pablum he could be teaching everyone the Apostles Creed which one must believe in its entirety to be a Catholic.
Click the link and read the whole article.
It does leave one with a lot of “yeah, buts.”
These are excepts from an article which is excerpts from an hour long interview.
Will the Bishops be publishing a list of what sins are now okay?
About graduality, NO. NO. NO.
I returned to the Church in the ’80s and it was so frustrating because no priest would answer my questions. I don’t want to have to explain to a priest where I am in my faith journey and have him decide whether I am far enough along to deserve the truth.
There were things that I could not accept at first but at least I knew I had to study that and pray over that, instead of thinking “No biggie.”
We are not being judgemental when we state the person’s ACTIONS are not right!!! We need to spread this around everywhere, I am so sick and tired of people always trying to stop me in my tracks for being ‘judgemental’ when I am only juding their ACTIONS, which is what the Church teaches!!! So my response is, what if someone was robbing a bank, would you say that is great and applaud them? NO!!!!!! The persons ACTIONS would be wrong and so it goes for many other serious situations in our world today, i.e. abortion, contraception and so called ‘same sex marriage’ .
How will the Bishop explain this notion to the Divine Judge?
It would seem that Bishop McElroy has been neglecting his studying of the Bible, especially the words of Jesus in the New Testament. Church officials like McElroy make me scratch my head in wonderment as to how much our Catholic Church has gone downhill since Vatican 2. The one saving feature is that having studied Catholic Church history, I am aware that this kind of bad behavior has happened numerous times in the past, and yet, our Catholic Faith still survives.
My advice is to go to Mass every week, more if able, say the Rosary, pray the Liturgy of the Hours, do good deeds and love your neighbor as yourself.
Thank God now I can skip financial support of the diocese and Pope Francis’ Peter’s Pence collection and McElroy won’t judge me adversely for doing so.
Bishop McElroy–pace Christ: “Go and sin less often.”
Perhaps if our Pope and Bishops had True Faith (and PRACTICED it!) — they would all believe in what seems impossible for human beings– that the Power of Christ can change souls! Christ never gave up on souls! He even would leave the 99 sheep, to run after the one “gone astray,” and rescue that one sheep! He always believed in our capability, by the grace of God– to change our lives, and to follow Him! It is essential for all Catholics to have the Gift of Faith, and to believe in Christ’s Divine Power, to save all souls from sin, and help us with life’s problems!
I am saddened to see that the Catholic Church has fallen into the beginning of apostasy. We most certainly need to reach out in love and mercy. My Lord Jesus Christ reached down into my hurting heart and brought me to Himself. But He also, asked me to be His disciple. This means putting aside my old life and embracing a new life directed by His Holy Spirit. I have a responsibility, as a believer, to want the same new life for those who are in their sin and if they want to stay in their sin, to leave the judgement of their souls with the Lord.
Christ never asks us to not confront sin; He asks us to confront with love and mercy, but not condone and accept lifestyles that are against what He teaches.
John 6:37
https://web.archive.org/web/20080423030756/https://www.ignatius.com/Magazines/CWR/charities.htm
Your Excellency, Bishop McElroy,
The usage of the title, ‘Your Excellency’ should always mean that one is addressing a man whose primary excellence is in transmitting the fullness of truth.
Bishop McElroy, the faithful in San Francisco saw your action, not as an action of meeting people where they are, but rather as an action of compromising the Catholic Faith.
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Bishop McElroy, You chose to use selective “judgmentalism” to “banish” sound Catholic teaching when you ignored a directive from the Vatican regarding Catholic Charities supporting same sex unions and adoptions by people who self-identify as LGBT.
It is an affront to the sacrifice of Christ crucified to use one’s own personal ideology to selectively judge and banish directives that uphold Church teaching.
Faithful Catholics are concerned for your soul and for the immortal souls of bishops who no longer believe what the Church teaches or requires.
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Catholic Charities of San Francisco STOPPED all adoptions so that they did not have to place children in homes of same sex parents.
According to the article that you yourself linked to.
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Many faithful Catholics know that Stephen Brady, of Roman Catholic Faithful, uncovered a great deal of evidence of a large homosexual network of clergy in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Orange County and San Diego who live duplicitous lives while also privately undermining Church teaching by not listening to or following sound Catholic directives from Rome. This has been taking place for many years. Additionally, Father Dariuz Oko authored a major report detailing this oppressive problem.
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Steven Brady left the Church.
Father Oko talked about a small number of homosexual clergy in Poland and he blamed heterosexual clergy for the problem.
“Father Oko talked about a small number of homosexual clergy in Poland = Wrong!
” And he blamed heterosexual clergy for the problem” = Wrong! Father Oko called this problem of homo-heresy a “Global Phenomenon.” You are deliberately not telling the truth. IOW you are telling a lie.
Read the report again.
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BishopAccountability.org
Fr. Dariusz Oko’s Major Article: “with the Pope against the Homoheresy”
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fr-dariusz-okos-major-article-with-pope.html
A GLOBAL PHENOMENON
“We should first expose the common lie presented by the media. They keep talking about paedophilia among clergymen, while it is most often the case that the problem is ephebophilia, which is a perversion consisting in adult homosexual men being attracted not to children, but to pubescent and adolescent boys.
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I grant you that he does talk about other countries besides Poland but his thesis is based on the situation in Poland where the homomafia are a minority. So how does such a minority gain power-by the majority allowing it.
Fr. Dariusz Oko’s Major Article: “with the Pope against the Homoheresy”
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fr-dariusz-okos-major-article-with-pope.html
A Global Phenomenon
“It is a typical deviation related to homosexuality. Basic knowledge about that reality includes the fact that more than 80 percent of cases involving sexual abuse by clergymen reported in the U.S.A. were cases of ephebophilia, not paedophilia[4]! That fact has been carefully hidden and ignored, as it reveals particularly well the hypocrisy of the homolobby in both the world and the Church. It is all the more important that it be exposed.”
https://rcf.org/pdfs/AMDGsummer2005Final.pdf
How do we cooperate in the sins of others?
We cooperate in other persons’ sins by -direct and voluntary participation; command, council, praise, and approval; -not revealing or stopping sins when we are bound to do so; -protecting those who do evil. By Fr. John A. Hardon “The Faith” based on the Catechism (1868)
Catholics need to stop making excuses for their cowardice and inaction.
“But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.”
“Stephen Brady left the Church” = A speedy example of selectively choosing to NOT meet people where they are. Also, an example of selective “judgmentalism”. Tolerance only for the sins of perversion but zero tolerance for those who only sought true conversion.
May God bless Stephen Brady for his courage in defending the faithful, Church teaching and innocent children. Without the grace-filled courage of this man, many predators would still be harming the trusting.
https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?topic=3423182.0
Roman Catholic Faithful to dissolve.
I have no tolerance for sins of perversion. What an interesting remark. Perhaps you should examine your conscience on what mortal sins you are cooperating with.
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Bishop McElroy, Our Lady of Akita warned, the entire world, of shepherds who compromise the faith.
Those in authority will face the greatest consequences for selectively banishing sound Catholic doctrine and dismissing faithful directives from Rome. The loss of eternal life is a serious matter for all of mankind but the responsibility and potential loss of eternal life for our lead shepherds is what grieves Our Lady. Fidelity to all Church teaching should be your main concern when transmitting the truths of the Catholic Faith to the people that God has entrusted to your care.
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I think that in paraphrasing the messages of Our Lady of Akita, you are distorting them.
Banishing Judgmentalism = Planned Parenthood’s most effective propaganda hook
OBAMA HAILS NUCLEAR DEAL WITH IRAN AS A LANDMARK
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/07/14/obama-praises-nuclear-deal-iran/30121643/
Fire Will Fall from the Sky – Sister Agnes Sasagawa
https://youtu.be/3YP3cgj7DGc
Another example of the consequences of “banishing judgmentalism”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxwVuozMnU
Planned Parenthood Uses Partial-Birth Abortions to Sell Baby Parts
Do you do the works of reparation that Our Lady of Akita asked for?
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Our very large family of cradle Catholics has belonged to many parishes across the country for well over half a century. We’ve never witnessed sinners experiencing discrimination or heard them told they were unwelcome. We’ve never witnessed anyone boasting about their temptations, either.
Activists who self-identify as LGBT and others who are sympathetic to their cause (as you now appear to be) have created the false narrative that people who experience same sex attraction are not welcome in the Catholic Church. Catholic bishops shouldn’t be lending credibility to this manipulative distortion.
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There is nothing about LGBT in the article. I think you have super-imposed your own narrative onto it.
“Banishing judgmentalism” = Creative self-given permission slip phrase that will banish calling a spade a spade. IOW ambiguity and confusion are the new creative forms of compassion and mercy.
A lack of faithfulness on the part of many Catholics, a lack of faithful catechesis, a lack of strong faithful leadership when upholding “all” Church teaching, just enabled the reality that allowed the Supreme Court to impose the LGBT agenda on society. The Supreme Court followed Bishop McElroy’s creative philosophy. They also “banished judgmentalism” in favor of creative compassion.
According to Our Lady of Akita, it is many of our very own bishops and cardinals who have compromised and imposed their own creative narratives of the gospel. Polling data should never become the new narrative that controls, distorts or replaces the sound application of the clear teachings of the Catholic Church. Our Catholic bishops should never once entertain the false notion that they are MORE “creative” than the Creator, especially when teaching about true mercy. A bishop may also publicly cite the true teachings all day long but if he NEVER upholds them, then that is also known as a “creative” recipe for a great loss of faith as well as the scandals that have rocked the Church.
https://www.catholic-sf.org/ns.php?newsid=32&id=57543
2010 Interview with Bishop-elect McElroy
Interviewer: You have written that imposing Eucharistic sanctions solely on candidates who support abortion could harm the societal role of the Church “in advocating a moral agenda that transcends the political divide. What can we in the Church do to be more effective in this role today?
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Bishop McElroy said, “I believe that the principal challenge for the Church in the United States on the issue of abortion today is to convey to our society the recognition that the humanity of the unborn child necessarily demands protection in civil law. Polling data indicates clearly that most Americans have an intuitive understanding that life within the womb is indeed human life, and for that reason most Americans view abortion as morally problematic. But this same data shows that most Americans resist the clear implication of this insight: namely that this human life in the womb deserves legal protection. ”
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in 2010, then Bishop-elect McElroy said “It is essential that the Church “witness in particularly creative and effective ways” to this legal dimension of the rights of the unborn child, while doing so in a manner that is emblazoned with compassion and sympathy for the enormously difficult dilemmas that pregnant women often face.”
“Banishing Judgmentalism” = Only “effective” in dismantling and undermining Jesus’s clear order of teaching. REPENT! Jesus did not look to polls to “effectively” lead. It is many of our bishops and cardinals who have super-imposed a new narrative gospel of false compassion.
Catherine, Jesus is the one who told us not to judge AND to teach.
Why do you speak about polls? That is not in the article.
There is nothing about false compassion.
You seem to be lumping a bunch of your issues together and imposing them on the Bishop.
Have you read the entire article?
I think you are reading something into it that is not there.
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Bishop McElroy, This false narrative also influenced the Supreme Court’s Catholic Justices who just voted to legally banish judgmentalism by abusing the power of the court to banish the truth.
The Catholic Church has always welcomed sinners, because it is a refuge for sinners, but it’s a refuge precisely because the Church calls sinners to repent, change their lives, and abandon the poison of their former ways. Sin leads souls away from eternal life. It is not loving, compassionate, or merciful to ignore the self-destructive nature of sin in order to gain human respect and be considered tolerant.
Thank you, Catherine. Your comments have been very informative!
I completely agree with your second paragraph and I am sure that all Bishops would too.
You are welcome Jean Monroe!
https://www.onepeterfive.com/just-how-evil-is-sodomy-the-saints-weigh-in/
Just How Evil is Sodomy? The Saints Weigh In.
There is nothing about sodomy in this article.