The following excerpt comes from an interview by Jim Graves, who writes Churches Worth Driving To for California Catholic Daily. The interview ran June 27 on Catholic World News July 3.
Dawn Stefanowicz grew up in a home where the sexual desires of adults were put ahead of her needs and well-being. Today she fights for traditional marriage and a child’s right to a mother and father.
One thing you stress is that you didn’t observe a monogamous relationship in your home when growing up.
Stefanowicz: Yes. For children such as myself, just because our parents are “partnered,” doesn’t mean they are monogamous. Monogamy in the gay community means “serial monogamy,” you have a single partner for several months and then move on, or you’re in a relationship but have multiple partners on the side. Research shows that most male homosexual relationships become open within the first year. A recent New York Times article confirmed this—50 percent of same-sex male “marriages” become open to other sexual partners within the first year. My father could be in a “committed,” long-term relationship, but there was an agreement with his partner that there would be sexual relationships with others.
When I was growing up, I wasn’t surrounded by average heterosexual couples. In my home there would be my father’s partners and male friends, and they would often take me along to meeting places in the GLBT community. I was just a child, but I was exposed to overt sexual activity. When I was about nine, for example, my father took me to a downtown sex shop. He said he wanted to expose me to sexuality so that I wouldn’t be prudish. There was no sense of privacy around sexuality. Sex was very public; that was part of the gay culture.
To read entire interview, click here.
okay, this poor woman’s story is like mega-icky! for a child to be exposed to such sex stuff is abuse in my opinion. (unfortunately, some friends and i went through similar ikcy childhoods, with WAYYYYYYYYYY too much talk from our parents about sex, far too many divorces and affairs, and it’s a crying shame – whatever happened to fidelity, lifelong commitment, and decency? we little kids got exposed to stuff we should not have had to deal with, but it was forced upon us – sort of like living in a garbage dump…) p.s. my parents were a woman and a man…and then another man…and other…but it was still a mess…
max what is your point? It still does not excuse anything, the reality is that children need a stable one mum and one dad home life! Homosexuality is a disorder! They shouldn’t be raising kids when they are living immoral lifestyles, no one, same rules apply for heterosexuals. But this article is about same sex couples! They have no business raising or having children!
max, I am sorry for whatever you suffered. I’m glad that you survived with your sense of humor intact.
The homosexual lifestyle really shows the disorder of sinful behavior. This article is extremely sad, but the reality of the world we are creating by allowing so-called “same-sex marriage.” This article made me think of two things, first of stories I have heard from people living the homosexual lifestyle and how monogamy is extremely rare and that many men in fact have side partners, various sexual encounters apart from their so-called committed relationship. It also reminded me of someone I knew in high school who had a dad who was an open homosexual that lived just as Dawn describes and had the same fate of dying of AIDS. The son though not homosexual had an extremely disordered view of sexuality and was involved in disordered sexual relationships with girls. The reality is that when children do not experience sexuality in its proper context, in a life-giving union that is both procreative and unitive, they tend to also fall into disordered relationships. Its sad that we live in a society that wants to normalize such horrific behavior. God Love You.
I agree MD! God bless you, your comments are honorable!
This is one example of many more dysfunctional stories we would hear about the homosexual lifestyles. These children do not have a chance at a normal life.
EVERY child has a chance at a normal life, even those who have gone through hell. with GOD all things are possible.
Not with this sort of upbringing. Many suffer with Depression and other emotional distress.
ABECA, some still survive and do well. with GOD all things are possible. look at our troops coming back from war – some will do okay, otherws will suffer horribly for many yea4rss.
So what are you trying to say, lets take a risk and see what happens! Never! A lesbian couple in Imperial Beach, CA have 4 children (2 from each woman) from their x marriages, they are divorced, left their husbands and now joined together as a lesbian couple, raising these kids. There is so much abuse in that home, two of their kids are on drugs and tried committing suicide! One of the lesbian woman is abusive to her partner and to the children, constantly beating them. Lesbians are very confrontational and very tough if you ever try to say something, so many people are afraid of them in their neighborhood, as much as they tried reporting them to child protective services, they act all sweet and loving to hide all that abuse! A Christian woman is trying to help one of the lesbian to leave her lover because she is abusive to her and the children but she is afraid, has no place to go so she just takes it!
It takes heroism and or faith, like way much, to break out of such a spiritual prison this girl was trapped in. Thank God she escaped, and thank God for her faithful rescuers, whoever they might be, plus thank God for all the prayer warriors.
You are right JLS, I wish more would embrace sufficient graces to endure and escape these abuses, to expose them for whey are. Study shows that children who are raised by same sex couples, the kids grow up having all sort of issues, Just recently what looked like a lesbian couple, they had a daughter say that she was a boy on the inside but a girl on the outside. The girl looked coached. There was something not right there, something tells me that they are using this young little girl for their gay activism to promote and excuse transgenderism.
Max, you are changing the subject. We know that many marriages have turned out badly with children damaged forever, but what we are talking about here is the damage done by homosexuals.
noooooooooooooooooo, LAURETTE, we’re talking about what we CHOOSE to discuss. and i choose to discuss sexual weirdness beyond just mere homosexuals, that can damage kids f4rom families that ‘look’ all fine and dandy from the outside.
Laurette sometimes we can’t reason with those who are homosexual friendly.
What a sad story. Sadly, many people are not fit to be parents. I work in human services and in our area and others I can imagine, a big problem is single moms who have numerous boyfriends. Since 90-95% of people are heterosexual this is a big problem. The problem is promiscuity and this has a harmful effect on the children, regardless of the orientation of the parents. Children with parents who put the kids first have it best.
Once again PA, you are trying to change the subject which is homosexually active parents. We all know that there are problems with heterosexual relations today mostly because of the poor catechesis and the failure to teach “Humanae Vitae, but this article is about a young girl who suffered through her homosexual father’s sins against God and mankind!
May God have mercy on your poor compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
It’s so very nice to know that you have a special insight into this man’s soul. If you are the touchstone, then his compromised soul is a blessing to him.
Mr. Fisher thank you for caring for those who keep compromising their salvation for worldly ways. I know that many love their homosexuality more than they do love Jesus!
I read the entire interview which your article links to. I would recommend this for anyone who would like a clearer view of the issue. Stefanowicz is clearly a courageous woman.
MarkfromPA, @3:19PM Is this what you teach to your CCD students?
Thank you, Mr. Fisher. Max and Mark from PA will do anything they can to throw readers off the subject so that homosexual activities will be shown to be just different variations of sexual sin. Their attempts are patently clear to anyone who can discern their trickery.
Dear Laurette, your insights into the motives of other people are truly . . . unique. For which I thank the Almighty. As for sexual sin, the Catholic Church teaches (or at least taught; maybe there has been an update I missed along the way) that ALL SEXUAL SINS are of a very grave nature.
I guess this is the post that caused the friction with Catherine. I don’t understand why she reacted so badly to it. Were you being sarcastic?
Everyone remotely familiar with the entire homosexual lifestyle knows this article to be totally true. Of course to even imply that to deny them the opportunity to adopt and/or conceive in any number of wierd ways certainly exposes the entire agenda. What is their retort? We are bigots, blah blah blah and deny them their rights which they certainly don’t have by any standard when it comes to faking a family for their own selfish purposes. I am sick and tired of their claims including them being an abused minority. The entire gay movement has exposed their true ugly face by their own actions regardless of consequences. The most intolerable slimy tactics of infliltrating our public school systems and even our religious school systems with threats from the government and the teachers unions themselves is outrageous. We must stand up but to avoid a huge chunk of the battle, get O’bama and his Harvard gang from Chicago out. Next, we must remind our reps and senators that their selfish interest votes have consequences. When all types of dolts get into power from city councils, mayors, reps, governors down to Hollywood declare what moral path or religious belief we must recognize or be forced in spite of our Freedoms. Speak openly or get trampled!!!!!!!
God bless you BUD! Love your comments and I agree with you!
Mr. Fisher, let me share with you comments from a friend who has no children but who throughout his life has been very busy being a son, brother and uncle in his family. “In a large percentage of families, we who are gay are expected to clean up family messes, to take care of aging parents, to provide hospitality and support when family members are going through tough times. But then, when the crisis is over and done with, we’re expected to recede back into the wallpaper from whence we came and let the ‘real’ family get back to its business of continuing on with its ‘real’ life.”
My understanding is that while lifelong marital faithfulness (starting with “forsaking all others” in regards to sexual activity) has become far less frequent than in the past among heterosexual couples, within unisex relationships it is and always has been virtually nonexistent. Were this not so, the AIDS epidemic would not have disproportionately struck gay men, who compose such a small percentage of the population. So we KNOW that men + women are capable of doing far better in the fidelity department than they’ve been doing lately. On the other hand, it would appear that gay partners are constitutionally unable to confine their activity to a single partner as long as they both shall live–that for some reason, this goal is unachievable in the same-sex realm. This alone would demand that children not be placed with same-sex couples.
Mark from PA-What does your friend’s comments have to do with this story and the fact that you are trying to divert attention from the disorder of homosexual relations to immoral heterosexual relations. The statistical reality is that monogamy is highly unlikely in a homosexual partnership and more likely in a heterosexual relationship. No one is denying rampant disorder within heterosexual relationships, but the reality is it is a significantly higher degree of disorder in homosexual relationships and a much higher rate of infidelity. The very nature of homosexuality is disordered in the first place and not a legitimate relationship to raise children in; the main point of this article. It is extremely sad that you continually reject authentic Church teaching for half-baked notions of equality. God Love You.
Mark’s Monday 6:46 pm comment is anecdotal at best. Let’s stick to talking about the common “real life” of homosexual “families”.
Stereotyping, again! I know of a gay couple that raised five children, none of the now adult children are gay, two sons became catholic priests and one of the daughters is a cloistered nun, of the two remaining children, one is a medical doctor and the other is a professor in a very traditional Catholic college!!! So much for stereotyping!!!!!!
Mr. Miles, every person has a right to tell their story, even if others don’t want to hear it. Your testimony leaves me wondering how a gay couple has 5 children. Were they from prior heterosexual relationships that broke up? And to be honest, telling us their professions does not tell us anything about how they feel about their upbringing or how it impacted their lives and relationships. I have read that there is a lot of pressure on the kids of gay couples to be perfect so that they do not cause their parent’s relationship to be criticized.
Mr. Miles It’s a lie! Name your sources!
Absolutely false. Name the names of the sodomizers and the adopted children.
Hey Tommy boy I have forgotten more about situations like this than you will ever know,,, and IT IS NOT A STEREO TYPE ITS THE NORM…. Perverts one and all and they will meet God’s Justice, I only wish I could mete it out to them
“I only wish I could mete it out to them.” The Lord says, “vengeance is mine.” We are to hate the sin but love the sinner–and pray for their conversion. You, on the other hand, appear to want to hate the sin AND the sinner.
I disagree with you Larry and no I will not step away from your ongoing attacks on Canisuis!
And I suppose you use this rare instance as applying to all. I know better. Children in gay famiies often generated from divorces and the mothers deciding in their bitterness to be Lesbians are one of the biggest proponents of gay marriage. Their hatred of men is quite obvious in those I have met. Strangely enough, even these get disillusioned and go back to a straight relationship. Do you grasp the effect on children or do you just want to get a “rise” out of people?
Mark from PA: First, that man that you quoted is NOT GAY; he is a homosexual, and second, his statement is absurd, to put it nicely. Now, try to get back to the subject at hand, which is not, a very nice subject to think about, but, a subject that NEEDS to be out in the open. These children are victims and they need our prayers and help and despite the negative outlook of Abeca, there is ALWAYS hope, for not only the children, but for those that are homosexual in thought and/or action, otherwise, why would we pray the Apostles’s Creed or any other prayer for God’s help and Mercy? +JMJ+
MD, my friend’s comments have to do with the fact that not all gay people fit the description of Dawn Stefanowicz’s father. Gay teens need to hear about people that are good role models, not just the horror stories. Young people who are gay don’t really need to have it constantly thrown in their face how horrible gay people are.
But they DO need to have it “constantly thrown in their faces” how horrible the gay lifestyle is, don’t they Mark? Because we want them all to be just like you–scrupulously chaste. And how else can they walk your path without knowing the dangers of unchastity–right?
Larry, these are very good points.
Mark from PA-You are absolutely wrong! First, young people with SSA need to hear the Gospel and how Christ came to save them from sin, they need to learn how to live a good chaste life that does not defy natural law by living in homosexual relationships. Second, statistically a majority of homosexual couples do NOT have monogamous relationships and have multiple partners, even if they are in what they consider a monogamous relationship. This article illustrates a reality that you are working extremely hard to deny. Mark, why do you want teens with SSA to have homosexual role models? Is it because you desire to perpetuate a sinful lifestyle? How is that going to help these kids live a life of purity, modesty, chastity, etc? What you want is to lead people to sin and that is wrong. God Love You.
Mark: if you haven’t learned by now (and I give you points for persistence) you will NOT change any minds of those few who consistently post here and challenge you on everything that you say.
And things you didn’t say.
and things you didn’t even realize you didn’t say…some of these people REALLY need to swtich to de-caff
Mark, “sodomy” is not an example for children that will help them to get to Heaven some day. Gay-marriage is a mortal sin and those who particiipate in it are NOT good role models.
Thomas Edward Miles, Could you please give us the names of the two Catholic priests who you mentioned in your 3:01 am post.
Catherine, their names are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I can only imagine the harassment these priests would face from you — if they even exist. If they DO exist, they have ministry to carry out and work to do, and cannot spend their time being interrogated by you.
MacDonald, This is very interesting. You are answering the question that I specifically asked Thomas Edward Miles. Now you write, “Catherine, their names are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and “If they do exist, they have a ministry to carry out and work to do, and cannot spend their time being interrogated by you.” Once again MacDonald, you are overreacting, (you didn’t have to dramatically yell in capital letters) to a legitimate question. Who are these two priests that Thomas Edward Miles claims were raised by two homosexual partners? If these two priests do exist then it should naturally follow that one of their many duties is to also be involved in the new evangelization by teaching and upholding the clear truths contained in the CCC second edition. Perhaps the same writer Jim Graves could write an article about them and their upbringing just like Mr. Graves did with Dawn. There is nothing to hide MacDonald unless there is something to be ashamed of. Thomas Edward Miles is the one who made this the business of the entire Catholic blogosphere, not me. MacDonald it would be wonderful for Jim Graves to do an article to learn how these two wonderful priests have taught the two homosexual men who raised them that this was contrary to what the Catholic Church teaches. This would be a wonderful conversion story….unless.. #1 Thomas Edward Miles fabricated this entire story or #2. There is something to hide or be ashamed of. If there is nothing to hide MacDonald then lets meet these very fine priests who are upholding Church teaching. What are there names and where are they stationed?
Now I know why you got upset with Mc Donald, Catherine. You do bring out some very good points here. Sad to say, I do not have time to read all the posts, and sometimes I miss something.
MacDonald, You wrote, ALL SEXUAL SINS ARE of a very grave nature. Your response to Laurette gives everyone…… a deeper insight into your desire to assuage consciences. Why are you choosing to do this MacDonald? We are talking about children being raised in the best atmosphere and yet you remained silent about the sinfulness that this woman was exposed to as a child. Do you think that children should be raised by homosexuals? Please answer yes or no. Innocent children have now become the little helpless victims who are being used to normalize sin and sinful lifestyles. MacDonald, You were silent when it came to defending innocent children. You only spoke up when you felt culturally threatened by Laurette’s truthful post. “”For where your treasure is, there your heart will be.” … Matthew 6:19. MacDonald, Your treasure should not be in the assuaging of blinded consciences. Jesus is your treasure and he created you to know him, to love him and to serve him. You do not serve him when you confuse others by diminishing those who do want to serve him. You are choosing to serve either your own feelings or the feelings of men. You are not choosing to clearly speak God’s truth. Please read this portion of Jeff Mirus’s excellent article titled ‘ Crying to heaven for vengeance’ The four sins crying to heaven for vengeance are: Willful murder, Sodomy, Oppression of the poor, Cheating laborers of their due wages. “All of these sins cry out to God, but the four are not equal. The sequence in the text suggests a hierarchy of value, and it is a tightly linked hierarchy. One sin, leads to another from the gravest to the least, as we make objects out of persons and treat them accordingly, subverting all our natural relationships. For this reason, we cannot assuage our conscience by attending to the fourth sin while ignoring the first, or by claiming virtue on the third and closing our eyes to the second. If these sins cry out to God for vengeance and we still commit them or *DO NOTHING* to restrict them, we mock God to His face. Of course when we are wearing our cultural blinders, it often appears to us that we can mock God with impunity.” MacDonald, You did *nothing* to restrict the cultural blindness. Not one peep about this woman’s story but you had the energy to belittle Laurette’s post though. Whose conscience are you trying to assuage? Is it your own? Did Christ leave us with clear (millstone tied around the neck) instruction about his little ones being scandalized? Why are you silent about children being scandalized? Your silence and your sarcasm to Laurette only showcases your own cultural blindness on the story topic. Why are you are able to use your intellectual energy to assuage cultural blindness in consciences over choosing to defend the gospel? MacDonald, Are you claiming virtue by assuaging consciences while ignoring or not distinguishing the difference in the hierarchy of value when it comes to the grave nature of the particular sexual sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance? MacDonald, It is one thing to desire the salvation of all men because we are all sinners in great need of God’s Mercy. It is quite another thing when culpable Catholics, with God given gifts of fine intellect, use that intellect to mock God by assuaging consciences over charitably reminding our culturally blind that children are gifts from God and they are not to be used as instruments to subvert the natural relationship of a mother and a father. MacDonald, Today you used a wise cracking and spiritually immature post to belittle a sister in Christ. Today, you are responsible for restricting and subverting God’s truth to fellow Catholics.
Catherine, you may be unaware of the Church’s long-standing belief that all sexual sins are serious — but I am not. On THIS planet, young children are subjected to various sinful and toxic situations, ALL of which should be our concern. If you choose to focus ONLY on homosexuals, this is a free country; but I will not be restricted by your obsession.
Yes, Laurette: do enlighten us all about the common real life of same-sex families. Are we to assume that you are the resident expert based on your experience? Otherwise, what is the basis for such a sweeping claim of sameness?
TEM, the case you cited, where two homosexuals “raised” children so that one can play doctor, and four became clerics proves the point that many can see which is that homosexuals are finding subtle ways of gaining authority positions in the Church. These adults, two of whom are priests, will have perverse views on life and will likely corrupt those under their influence. Again, believe nothing a homosexual claims, because it is deception.
Dawn Stefanowicz, I just want to say thank you for writing your book in the hopes that no other children have to go through the horrors you experienced. I will pray for you and keep your chin up no matter how discouraged you are at times by it all. Please pray for me and all the others who come to your defense, too.
Am I the only one who sees this story as one of great joy and happiness? Jesus pulled this suffering soul out of a dung heap and into the path to Heaven. Blessings are upon this young lady. The mystery of salvation is amazing.
MD, excuse me, you have no right to accuse me of wanting to lead people to sin. I said that gay teens need to hear about people that are good role models. How is that leading them to sin? Don’t you think that these kids need role model that are like them? Don’t you think that telling them that ALL gay people are promiscuous is not only untrue but harmful? A lot of priests are gay and celibate. That is certainly not a sinful lifestyle. Sadly, most of these priests can’t act as role models for gay teens because many are afraid of being honest about this as they fear that people who dislike gays will go after them. Yes MD, these kids need to hear the Gospel and how Christ came to save them but how are they going to hear it if they are made to feel unwanted and unwelcome? It is hard enough being a teen without being filled with negative stereotypes about who you are. What happened to Dawn Stefanowicz was horrible and I agree with that. All kids deserve to be treated with respect and Dawn wasn’t. But I think gay kids deserve to be treated with respect too. Jim, this is why I comment, because I think people need to realize when they stereotype that they hurt real kids.
Mark, you need to differentiate between people with same sex attraction (which is merely temptation), and those who act upon those temptations.
Young people need to be taught to stay as far away from temptations as possible. Homosexuality refers to relations (acts). CCC: 2357, 2358, 2359. Those who act upon those temptations do not give a good example to children. CCC: ” 2847 The Holy Spirit makes us discern between trials, which are necessary for the growth of the inner man, and temptation, which leads to sin and death. We must also discern between being tempted and consenting to temptation. Finally, discernment unmasks the lie of temptation, whose object appears to be good, a “delight to the eyes” and desirable, when in reality its fruit is death. “
Mark from PA-Your thinking is flawed because you want people with SSA to be treated well because of their SSA where they should be treated well because they are children of God. Having a role model who participates in a disordered lifestyle is leading someone to sin, something you have consistently promoted on this site. A person with SSA does not need a homosexual to be a good example, they need a good God fearing person who will love them as a child of God. Mark, you are denying the fact that a child being raised in a homosexual household is disordered and unnatural and in and of itself is detrimental for the sake of the child. The homosexuality in itself is the cause of the detriment and not a healthy environment for a child to be raised in. You are trying to perpetuate an illusion that only homosexual people can treat other people with SSA with respect and this is an outright lie. Someone with SSA will be treated better by a person who knows and loves the Lord because they value the soul of the person with SSA. Chastity is the source of freedom for people with SSA, not encouraging the disorder of sin. God Love You.
Mark from PA-in response to your comments posted Friday, July 06, 2012 4:11 PM about the trevor project, any Catholic Priest would be better to go to than the trevor project for young people with SSA. Do you not understand that the homosexual lifestyle is responsible for more suicide than any bullying associated with SSA. Why is it you think that the only people that can help people with SSA are active homosexuals or people who want to further the agenda of the homosexual lifestyle? Do you not see the error in this thinking? Why is it you have such animus towards human sexuality and the true meaning of sexuality in your promotion of the homosexual agenda? You claim to accept Church teaching, but then promote ideologies that are contrary to Church teaching in a passive aggressive manner showing your true colors and it is sad because it appears you are deliberately trying to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. God Love You.
Mark from PA, children with sexual temptations of whatever kind need to hear about the consequences of bad behavior according to their age level. Period! To keep such experiences as this “swept under the rug” as you would like them to be is just plain irresponsible. Everyone knows already that not all those with either homosexual or heterosexual temptations are all guilty of the very same sins, but two men and two women should not be having children. Period! Neither should heterosexuals be having children outside of marriage, especially if it is deliberate. Period! but at least two heteroseuxals can be married and end up doing the right thing. That is not the case with two men or two women since the acts themselves are a perversion of the sex act whether you like it or not. Any number of people can call a relationship between two men or two women a marriage all they want, but that does not make it so. A horse is a horse no matter how many people in denial want to call it a giraffe. Period!
MacDonald, You wrote, “I will not be restricted by your obsession.” Why then MacDonald, did you find the time to be obsessed with Laurette’s post? I know why MacDonald. You were trying to restrict and silence Laurette. Laurette was correct. Bud was correct. “Speak openly or you will be trampled!!!!!!.”
Catherine I agree with you.
Do people understand that this was not a same sex couple? This was a married man and woman. The man had multiple same-sex partners; the woman maybe one. The mother was in the home while all this went on. This is a story of child abuse including sexual abuse. Hopefully, Ms. Stefanovicz’ experience will help others. She is right to tell her story to try to protect others from undergoing the stress and abuse that she and her brother endured. Her story will help all victims of child abuse.
K, sorry… what these people had was a MOCKERY of marriage, not unlike the mockery being attempted with “same-sex” marriage. If you understood that you’d understand why “gay marriage” is absurd.
Why do you assume I don’t?
Oh! So you do see the absurdity of the concept of “gay marriage”? So why did you feel the need to point out that this was a marriage between a male and female?
Because some of the posts made it seem like people didn’t know that.
By the way, Mark from PA, I try to treat all people I meet in person with respect, whether I think they have homosexual or Lesbian tendencies or not. It is only when, if they do at all, encourage improper behavior or brag about the wrong things that I would tell them to their face, as charitably as possible, what I think is right or wrong about their opinion. Quite frankly, no one has ever told me to my face that they were “gay”, etc. Perhaps it is because they already know that, for the most part, I am a “don’t ask don’t tell” person. I try never to interrogate people about their personal lives unless it were really my buisness to know. It is the “in your face” behavior that bothers me.
Another thing, Mark from PA, priests can tell children and adults what is proper and improper behavior and why without telling them about their own personal temptations and sins. At times it might be a good thing to do that, but most often it is not, and the cases where it would be fruitful are rare. It is far better to use third parties as an example. All they need to tell the child is that some or many people have such temptations; the way in which to fight such temptations and the right things to do. I did not need to tell my daughers that adultery was wrong by telling them that I had temptations towards other men than my husband. I did not need to tell my children that it was wrong to steal because I stole something when I was younger and got caught.
PA, what MD was doing was not accusing you but of pointing out the obvious.
k, You wrote this question, “Do people understand that this was not a same sex couple? ” k, Do you understand that Dawn’s story is under the title “Raised under the GLBT umbrella? ” k, You are deliberately deflecting attention to protect something. What are you protecting? ” Your response will help us understand the reasoning or need for you to ask that question.
Catherine, did you read the interview? It is beyond sick.
Catherine, I am sorry that you see something sinister in my post. We do not oppose same-sex marriage because of possible abuse of children. We oppose same-sex marriage simply because it is not marriage as instituted by God, one man and one woman, exclusive, permanent and open to the possiblity of procreation. We also oppose homosexual unions because of the gravity of the sin of homosexual sexual behavior. We oppose all forms of child abuse and abuse of persons because it is contrary to the dignity of the human person. It is a grave sin to abuse a child the way this young lady was abused. I don’t know whether people did not read the interview (which was excellently done by Jim Graves), but they seemed to miss the fact that this occured in a home with a mother and father, which was why I posted the question.
Catherine there is something not right with k. She says something that comes off as unfaithful and then says things that are faithful. I don’t know what games she plays but it is disturbing to read her back and forth comments.
abeca, I said nothing unfaithful.
I think gay teens need to learn to respect themselves and also to respect their sexuality. They need to have a healthy view of their sexuality. Sadly some who do not have this respect end up like Dawn’s father, which is a great tragedy. This is why these kids need good role models.
Mark from PA: So you think that teens with SSA can only learn self respect from homosexuals? Don’t you think you can develop a healthy view of oneself from Church, from parents or mentors that lead people to sanctity? Mark, good role models are role models in everything they do, not part of what they do. Either you have a disordered view of what a good role model is, or you intentionally want teens with SSA to turn to people who will make these teens feel good about their sin while neglecting their true dignity as children of God. Why do you think it is OK to expose and lead people to sin, serious sin for one element of goodness when the little good being done is being done with evil intention if you truly want goodness? This sure makes me question your motives. Mark, you claim to be a faithful Catholic but make many remarks that contradict Church teaching. It worries me that you are trusted with children to teach them the faith that you regularly object to on this website. God Love You.
Larry, I hope that I don’t come off as holier than thou. I do preach what I practiced. When I was a young person I did not abuse alcohol or drugs and I share this with the young people that I teach. We had to discuss personal safety with our students in Religion class and I told them that drugs and alcohol were dangerous for young people and that they should beware of any adults who would give them drugs or alcohol as such people could harm them. In my opinion, abuse of drugs or alcohol can lead to sins against chastity.
k, You are either much too much conditioned or much too comfortable with feeling that you constantly have to use the words, “I am sorry” to your fellow posters. After a while k, when you dodge certain questions, your apologies seem insincere, even when they might be sincere. k, You do not need to apologize to me. You did not offend or hurt me. I am trying to understand why you are selectively silent. k, I never once used the word sinister. You did. It is interesting though that you chose to use that word. k, Wouldn’t it have been much more charitable and much wiser for you to initially post everything, (excluding your first sentence to me) that you expressed in your post? This way k, it looks like you are more interested in defending the teachings of the Catholic Church. I must admit k, that you do seem to always defend the teachings of the Church when it comes to other issues but when it comes to specific issues and posters involving homosexuality, you either disappear or you side step and dosey doe with your Catholic dance partners. k, I see the way that you charitably addressed James, who has Sedavecantist beliefs and you engaged James into truthful conversation by telling James the truth. Why are you soft on the issue of homosexuality? Why do you challenge James with ongoing questions while you silently coddle homosexuals who distort Church Teaching? Once again k, What are you hiding or protecting? In case you do not believe that you are soft, I am not the only one who has brought this view up to you. k, No one is better than anyone else on this website. Why then do you avoid speaking to Mark from PA, peter, Thomas Edward Miles or others with the same precise dedication and passion that you are able to speak with James or other posters who you see as misguided? Now for the goos news k. It is none of my personal business to be entitled to know why you are soft on homosexual issues. The point I am trying to make is that you ARE silently soft and it is very obvious. Charity is excellent k, I commend you for your charity but not at the expense of omitting the full truth to those who distort Church Teaching because they are homosexual.
Catherine, I did not dodge your question. I thought it was just a nasty remark. Here is the answers: Q. 1 I know Q. 2 Nothing. Q. 3 I never thought of it. Q.4 I’m not. Q. 5 I disagree with your assessment.. Q. 6 Nothing Q. 7 I don’t. You did not answer my question, either.
CATHERINE, your impersonation of “THE CHURCH LADY” from saturday night live is a bit off, in that you are much grouchier that she ever was. lighten up! you interrogate others like some kind of nazi pit bull on too much caffeine.
max, You must have forgotten. The Church Lady comment has already been used. Old news. max, I thought that you told another poster that you did not stay up late to watch TV. You are proving that you are not a man of your word and that isn’t very special.
Peter: The logic you and Mark from PA suggest in your posts is absolutely absurd. You miss the fact that these two homosexual men expose these children serious sin, even though you don’t believe homosexual sex is a sin contrary to the reality found the Bible, Church teaching and human biology. If two people who abused cocaine were raising children, they would lose this privilege because of the evil they are doing and passively teaching the children. The example being set is a flawed and immoral example and children deserve better than that. The example Mark set forth is WRONG!!! Peter, you can deny the bible, the Church, but how can you deny the human reproductive system, the biological reality of your flesh and live as a homosexual? This has distorted your perception of reality, of human nature etc. Open your heart to Jesus and He will heal you because you are clearly in great pain. God Love You.
Mark from Pa has said that homosexual sex is a sin.
But he gets upset everytime I sai it is a sin.
Catherine, K has replied to me many times and has always spoken to me with respect. MD, look at how Catherine and others speak with contempt about gay people. Gay teens need to have support to be able to withstand insults, denigration and mistreatment. They need to understand that some people are going to dislike them because of who they are. They need to be able to have a healthy view of themselves if they have parents that dislike gay people and they are afraid to discuss this with their parents. You speak of people making kids feel good about their sin. Well, I think it is a sin to tell innocent kids that being gay is a sin. I am interested in how you have dealt with gay teens in your life. I think at one point you said that you were a teacher. I think that telling kids that having a homosexual orientation is sinful is very damaging.
Mark from PA: It is not the people who are disliked on this site, especially by Catherine as I read her posts regularly. Mark, Catherine hates sin and loves the sinner. It is when people like you promote sinful behavior that orthodox posters get upset and admonish the hatred of sin you perpetuate. Mark, no one has said that SSA is a sin, everyone has said that homosexual behavior is a sin though, and teaching acceptability of this action is likewise a sin. To allow, justify, promote and spread sinful behavior is a sin. Promoting groups that promote sinful acts is a sin. When you promote groups like the trevor project because they do one thing good, you overlook the evil they do in promoting the homosexual lifestyle and as a supporter of this organization you too are promoting sinful behavior. Mark, you can gamble with your soul, but how dare you gamble with the soul of other people in promoting groups and ideas that not only allow the sin of homosexuality, but promote it? Mark, read the bible verses I sent you yesterday. God Love You.
MD, Mark from PA does not promote sinful behavior. He did not promote the Trevor Project. He defended it. It is an organization concerned with preventing suicide. They do not promote homosexual acts although they do not condemn them. It is not the concern of that organization to do so. Other projects that support gay teens in crisis are trying to save lives. Suicide is also a mortal sin and it is one that cannot be confessed. It is permanent.
K-Is there really a difference in defending and supporting in this context? If it causes sin, then he is promoting sin by defending sinful acts. Just as voting for a pro-abortion candidate is a mortal sin and participation in promoting abortion, promoting and defending organizations that cause scandal and sin is both scandalous and sinful. Mark will take the good thing one organization does and he either overlooks the evil they do or promotes and defends these groups and people because he actually desires to spread lies. At this point I don’t know because I don’t know Mark and what his intentions are and I hope it is because he is naïve, but am scared that he plays that part as a means to spread lies. I hope and pray this is not the case. God Love You.
MD, you said “promote”. Trevor Project started as a phone line where suicidal youth could call and get help. It is not an outreach of the Catholic Church (the Catholic Church does not have a national hotline for LGBTQ youth.) Local Catholic Chariies sometimes have suicide hotlines Suicide is the third leading cause of death in people age 15-29. It is the sixth leading cause of death for children age 5-14. I am sure Catholic priests have to deal with suicidal people often. On the article, “Not in my Diocese” a poster wrote that his diocese had listed The Trevor Project as a resource. Mark from PA supported that diocese in trying to help young people. I don’t agree with Mark. I would rather see the diocese develop its own resource which would be supportive of Catholic teaching on human sexuality. (I could not find the page on that diocese’ website. It may have been scrubbed or revised.) MarkfromPA’s concern is not with promoting homogenital relations. It is with helping confused and desparate youth dealing with a very emotional and confusing issue. The best non-Catholic advise I ever heard was from Dr. Drew Pinsky who said that during the teen years hormones cause lots of strange feelings and thoughts that confuse youth. He gave very strong advise never to act on those feelings and thoughts because it will only increase the confusion. It is very easy for those of us who have not had this trial to think we know the best things to say, but we don’t because we have not lived it. Mark from PA who has lived with it (and never given in to it) is a good resource for them. He promotes chastity. i would really like to see you two discuss virtue. I imagine you would be in total sync.
The real flaw in your approach–and it is a fatal flaw–is the insistence that a group of people define themselves on the basis of some particular temptation to sin to which they happen to be vulnerable. You constantly speak of how gay kids need good gay role models who will tell them that being gay is not a sin–etc, etc. You may as well say, “we need positive role models for the alcoholic-American minority community,” or that we must teach “homicidal-American kids” to respect themselves, etc. Although homosexuality is as old as humanity, the CONCEPT of “the homosexual” (i.e., a person somehow set apart and destined to act out same-sex relationships even before he has ever once done so) only dates to the mid 19th Century–and I submit that it is a completely un-Christian mindset, not to mention perhaps logically and scientifically doubtful, since many alleged “gay” people have had heterosexual relationships–even marriages. The real way to minister to “gay” kids will be to first tell them of the sinfulness and danger of homosexuality, and then remove that prefix “gay” and tell them that they need not–in fact MUST not–identify their very person with some particular evil. The worst thing you can do is to keep reinforcing that “gay” label as part of their self-image. No one is homosexual who does not act out the lifestyle. No one is a thief who does not steal. No one is a murderer who does not kill. No one is a liar who tells only the truth.
Mark from PA, I think Catherine had a cousin who died from AIDS. I don’t think contempt is why she writes what she does. There are a few gay people (using the broad meaning-of those who have admitted to homosexual orientation, active or inactive) and she ususally is either nice to them or posts nothing. I do not know why MacDonald’s post to Laurette set her off like it did. Most of the time I am very startled by her responses to things I post.
Mark PA, you’re absolutely obsessed with homosexuality…it’s the only time you post. You’re as much a one trick pony as Jesse Jackson is with race. It limits you as a whole human being. Forget for just a moment that you’re a man of same sex attraction and remember you’re a man. Do you like music? Do you read fiction? Do you have a garden? We should all be people of ‘many parts’. Whenever I work in the garden I always see so many analogies to faith…like how sin is like weeds, and if you don’t get them out completely, and leave even a tiny bit of root, they continue to come back to take over as though you’d never weeded. (grin) It makes the weeding go faster too! I’m reading a great book now by Fr.George Rutler on hymns, and he thinks the missalettes give liturgy a transitory feeling and the music is often inane…but that was a complaint of C.S. Lewis back in the forties. What do you think?
Markfromindoctrination writes, “Catherine, k, has replied to me many times and has always spoken to me with respect.” So has MD but there is a big difference. k, Wants to be your buddy. MD wants to be your friend and truly help you get to heaven. It is always easier to have buddies who we never challenge when they are saying something contrary to Church teaching. MD has actually engaged you in a series of ongoing posts of dialogue that has exposed the fact that you are not interested in respectful dialogue. You are interested in silencing those who uphold Church teaching, such as “those men in Rome” that you mocked.
Catherine, I think MDs intentions are to help MarkfromPA but MD often distorts what Mark from Pa writes. Also, sometimes he is disrespectful. He has also taught things that are contrary to Church Teaching, like that homosexuality is from Satan, when the Church teaches it is a condition of fallen human nature. MarkfromPA is not trying to silence those who uphold Church teaching. Sometimes people go beyond Church teaching. Sometimes they say things that are not accurate. Much of the confusion stems from the fact that when people use the words “gay” or “homosexual” they mean different things. When MarkfromPA uses these words, he always means the orientation, not the sin. There are some posters who are contemptuous of gays. I do not feel you are one of them.
K: Please provide an example of distortion of Mark’s text. I can provide numerous occasions when Mark has both misquoted me and completely changed the meaning of my statements; for example I said specifically to him that the sin of homosexuality is a sin and he got upset that I called him a sinner. K, are you really buying the lies Mark is trying to sell? I am finding it hard to believe that Mark is the innocent naïve man he pretends to be, especially if he is a social worker which means he is college educated, probably with a graduate degree. K, I really am concerned for Mark’s soul and more importantly, I am concerned for all the souls he influences and will fraternally correct my brother. K, sin should make you upset and you should not defend Mark when he tells half truths as he commonly does on CCD. Half truths are more dangerous than outright lies because they are make it easier to fall into sin. Satan the father of lies has led many astray by twisting the beauty God created for illicit means. Please re-read my posts before saying I misquote Mark. God Love You.
MD examples of distortion are “promote sinful behavior” “trying to divert attention from the disorder of homosexual relations to immoral heterosexual relations” “continuously reject authentic Church teacing” “desire to perpetual a sinful lifestyle” “you want to lead people to sin” “you want people to be treated well because of their SSA’ “consistently promoted sin on this website” “you have animus toward human sexuality” “promotion of the homosexual agenda” and I agree that he does misquote you and changes the meaning of your statements, too. However, some of what you tell him is not Church Teaching, either. I can see why you say that he tells half-truths. I can see where his answers would not be satisfactory to someone who wants an agressive statement condemning gay sex or gay marriage.
K: I want truth, not half truth, not partial truth, but the Truth of Jesus Christ. Mark has been twisting my words and what I say is true about him promoting sinful behavior, diverting attention and rejecting authentic Catholic Doctrine. I don’t believe Mark is as naïve as he pretends to be and am appalled by him promoting organizations that support adoption to homosexuals, groups that promote homosexuality, people who support so-called gay marriage and homosexuality. K, Mark has specifically stated to me that he does not think it is a sin for two people of the same sex to be in a monotonous relationship. This is heresy and he is absolutely wrong. God Love You.
K, I read your short post of 8:51 AM and commend you on paying attention. I have never endorsed anal intercourse much less engaged in it. Gay people and straight both engage in such activities but it does have certain risks. The Church views this as a sin. What I have said is that gay people should be treated with respect and people should not stereotype them or make assumptions about them. Even gay groups and people are speaking out against the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. Larry some homosexuals are not sexually active, just like some heterosexuals are not sexually active. I am talking about a person’s inborn sexual orientation. You can’t really compare a person’s sexuality to acts such as murder, rape, stealing, lying, etc. Human sexuality is part of who we all are. Sins are actions. Saying that people should be treated with respect does not mean someone is endorsing sin.
Mark from PA, oh oh I see trouble ahead. Gay people engage in other sexual behavior besides the one you mentioned. Did you single out that one because you are approving of other forms of sexual contact in same sex couples?
You’ve said you’re married, Mark–and you use the pronoun “she” in referring to your wife–indicating you’re married to a woman. How is this possible, if you’re gay? If your “inborn sexual orientation” is for men, how could you possibly marry a woman–unless all this business about “inborn sexual orientation” is crap? The fact is, you are heterosexual–and you went off the tracks back when you let others stick you with a label–gay–which identifies you with evil–homosexuality. You identify yourself–your very being–with a mortal sin which you say you have never even committed. If you want to falsely accuse yourself, then I guess that’s your prerogative–but I don’t like you reinforcing teenagers’ self-image as being somehow destined for a certain grave moral disorder when they are just as capable as you or anyone of choosing either continence or marriage as intended by God–with a member of the opposite sex. You bought into a lie about yourself, and you want to convince others to buy into the same lie about themselves–THAT is what makes you unfit to deal with these young people.
Dana, I read all the news stories but only post on a few. I try not to comment on everything. Over the years I have commented on stories about priests and nuns and have told of my experiences in Catholic school. I have also commented on some Church issues and child abuse. I used to sing in the choir in Church but now I just sing in our Church’s Spanish choir. I love music. I like a lot of rock music and Motown music, stuff from the 60’s and 70’s. I don’t care for rap music and the lyrics in a lot of that music is awful. I don’t like bad language. That is nice that you like working in the garden. I wish you could come to my house. We have lots of nice plants in our yard but they need attention. What is hard for me is all the little trees that sprout up and I don’t like uprooting them or cutting them down because I feel like I am killing a tree but it is hard to have tree growing in one’s flower beds. My wife loves to buy plants but when the cold weather comes she brings them inside and sometimes the cats knock them over and it isn’t a lot of fun having wall to wall plants in the house. I don’t like it when the plants die but it doesn’t bother my wife as she just goes out and buys another one to replace it. I like dandelions but hate poison ivy. We seem to have a lot of poison ivy this year but I am afraid to touch it. So when it comes to plants I could use your advise. Hopefully, Mark F isn’t reading this as he will be bored to death.
MD, I am not upset if you call me a sinner. I am a sinner. However, I find it disturbing when you imply that I am influenced by the devil. For example as a teen, I was a virgin but I was also a sinner. As a teenager and college student I was innocent and naive. I am older now and not so naive. I speak up when I see people implying that being gay is a sin. Gay teens, all teens in fact, should strive to live chaste lives.
Larry, yes I am married. I was a virgin when I was married and have never been with anyone else. So I can see that some people would not consider me to be gay. When I got married I kind of made a choice to be straight. You ask, “How is this possible?” It is more common than you realize. A lot of children have gay parents, and married parents. Human sexuality is not that simple. A priest explained to me how human sexuality is on a continuum and few people are 100% gay or 100% straight, there is a mixture in most people. Most people are predominately heterosexual. I suppose I kind of knew that I was gay when I was younger but it wasn’t something that I discussed with myself and I suppose I was kind of in denial. I have discussed this at length with a priest that I confess to and in the process I have come to a better understanding of this. That is one of the reasons why I come on here and say that gay people shouldn’t be stereotyped. Just like heterosexual persons, we are a diverse lot. No, being gay is not a moral disorder. A person does not really get to choose their sexual orientation. It is something that they are born with or that is established at a very early age. I may choose not to be openly gay but it does not change biological facts. Perhaps I am not explaining this very well but please understand that sexual orientation is a part of all people and it really isn’t something that they choose.
“When I got married I kind of made a choice to be straight.” Well, you just made my point for me, didn’t you? The behavior is a grave sin–refusal to give in to temptation is virtuous. The inclination towards homosexuality is, according to CCC # 2358, “objectively disordered”–that means it’s on a par with clinical depression, bipolar disorder, alcoholism, compulsive gambling, etc. That means that while it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it is also not to be worn as a badge of distinction, much less honor–the way you might brag of your ancestral heritage. You just deal with it in whatever way necessary (mass, sacraments, therapy, support groups, etc) and move on. Whatever temptations you suffer, they are extrinsic to your identity as a child of God–a human being made in His image and likeness. You do NOT identify yourself with evil and say to the world, “this is who I am”–or worse, “this is who you are.” You don’t encourage self-identification with evil or any disorder, i.e. “the compulsive liars’ minority community” or whatever. True, members of Alcoholics’ Anonymous will say in their meetings, “I’m [name] and I’m an alcoholic.” But that is solely for the purpose of mutual support in avoiding drinking. You don’t have “Alcoholic Pride Day” parades, or T-shirts saying “Compulsive Liar & Proud.” That’s the first step towards convincing someone–especially a young person–that they’re somehow destined for sin.
Larry, admitting to a sexual orientation is not identifying with evil. Having a gay sexual orientation is not evil. Being gay really isn’t comparable to being an alcoholic.
Frankly, Mark, after having listened to your descriptions and explanations, I don’t even know what “being gay” is supposed to mean according to you. The fact is that homosexual activity is mortally sinful. Homosexual temptations are visceral urges towards evil–like the urges a compulsive gambler feels towards excessive betting–or an alcoholic towards drinking. Giving in to temptation makes one a sinner. Resisting temptation can make one a saint. Temptations themselves are simple facts of life. But for the life of me, I can’t understand why anyone would want to publicly identify his very person with the type of evil towards which he feels attraction–regardless of whether he has ever consented to that attraction or not. This is highly disordered and illogical thinking–not to mention self-demeaning and self-destructive, and would have the effect of reinforcing the temptation and instilling a kind of fatalistic despair regarding his life. My quarrel with you is that you want to regard temptation towards grave evil as a source of self-identification and congratulation. That is wrong. “Being gay really isn’t comparable to being an alcoholic,” you say. That’s where we differ. It IS.
MarkfromPA: How can you say in one sentence, “few people are 100% gay or 100% straight” and in the next sentence you say, “Most people are predominately heterosexual”? So, what you are saying is that FEW people are 100% straight and that MOST people are heterosexual? Which is it PA. That priest fed you a line of bs, PA. Show us your statistics, PA. Being gay may not be a moral disorder, but it is definitely morally disordered. Homosexuality IS mortally sinful when acted upon. What don’t you get about that, PA?
RR, to give you an example, most women find some women to be attractive. For example, many women watch beauty contests and are fans of some female stars. However the same women are also predominately heterosexual. So they have a stronger sexual attraction to men but they can also recognize and appreciate beauty in other women. Many women have strong feelings of love and affection for other women (but in a chaste way). This is completely normal and not in any way disordered. It is just part of being human. Finding someone of the same sex attractive is completely normal.
“Being gay may not be a moral disorder, but it is definitely morally disordered.”: RR, you have described PA’s frame of mind perfectly. It is the same twist as “Obama will decrease abortion by increasing abortion”. Why people believe this deception is called the “mystery of iniquity”.
Wrong, PA. You slyly use the wrong adjective. Women may see other woman as beautiful or pretty, NOT attractive(unless you are a lesbian). Attractive means that you are attracted to someone physically. Beautiful means that they appear to have beauty. There is a huge difference, PA. Nice try though. I have seen many beautiful women before but I have NEVER seen women as attractive. Men see women as attractive. Women see other women as beautiful, unless they are a lesbian or bi-sexual, or whatever. As far as I’m concerned, on a scale of 1-10 on the creep factor, (10 being the creepiest) finding women “attractive” is a big 10. You are not fooling anyone, PA.
PA states that he never had any other sexual relations with anyone else but with his wife. But still chose to label himself a homosexual, gay. It sounds to me like he is an activist for the gay agenda with those comments, just like the lesbians who coaxed a little girl into believing she was a girl on the outside but a boy in the inside. The lesbians are using this little girl for their agenda, they are causing great scandal and harm on this young girl. Something is wrong with this society that decides to give media coverage to these lesbians so they can spread their activism. Why isn’t child protective services investigating them to make sure they are not abusing this child both emotionally or physically!
If memory serves me right, didn’t PA state a few years ago that he had a son who was confused? Maybe it wasn’t him, I am just trying to remember who stated that. If my memory serves me right, could it be that PA is just trying to actively make gay lifestyles right just so he can protect his son? Help his son gain acceptance? I could be wrong……who knows….
abeca, it is wrong for you to imply something like that about a young person to try to discredit someone that you disagree with. If someone did that to one of your kids, what would you do?
Do you understand that you can be sued for something like that? Not the website, but you personally.
Canadawatch k, It was very wrong for you to undermine and discredit MD because you disagree with him. It is wrong of you to publicly lie to discredit sources in Michael Rose’s Book because you disagree with Michael Rose. Do you understand that you could be sued for something like that? Should writers like Michael Rose sue you personally? Should we begin an internet investigation of your drive by shooting claims to discredit Michael Rose’s book just because it exposed the corruption of the Lavender Mafia? Do we need to form a new watchdog group called… *THE LAITY AGAINST GAIETY* in the priesthood so you won’t try to silence faithful Catholics like you did MD?
Catherine, Michael Rose admitted that the allegations of the person (deemed uncredible by reviewers of his book) were “not independently verifiable.” I have not read the book. Why do you think I disagree with him? Did you misread my post? I did not try to discredit it. I do not wish to undermine or discredit MD. It is not a matter of disagreeing with him; it is a matter of presenting the Church’s teaching accurately. I don’t understand why that would bother you. Why do you percieve this as “trying to silence faithful Catholics” ? That’s a pretty big spin. I can’t believe the things you write sometimes.
Well, k, whoever you are, from what I’ve learned about you on this site, you would be just the one to do it. I doubt that another contributor to this site even remotely thought such a thing. You almost seem like a composite of various people all adding their views under the moniker k. Does k stand for ‘kvetch’?
Dana, God bless you!
Dana, Bravo! You nailed it! What a lesson in sneaky-ness isn’t it? The devil is clever and never sleeps.
God bless Catherine.
RR, the dictionary defines attractive as “pleasing, charming, pretty.” I looked up pretty and attractive was one of the definitions. So if you think someone is pretty then to you they look attractive. I think many women are pretty and attractive (but in a chaste manner). If women are dressed in an overly suggestive or trashy manner, I don’t find this attractive. I find women dressed in feminine, modest clothing to be more attractive. Abeca Christian, I do not use the term homosexual to refer to myself as I don’t really care for that term. Actually I don’t use that word in speech.
I will try to stop using a term that offends people,but I don’t want to use the term ‘gay’ either. How about SSA? (same sex attraction) It’s really tough these days because everyone’s self-description categories keep getting longer…black american, native american, etc. and this is the age of abbreviated speech…I mean, what do they use when texting. i spse it wld be esir to sy ssa bt nobdy knoz wut u mean bt it jst came to me…geezer. I shall use the non-judgmental form of geezer for all ssa’s. How’s that? Oh, wait. I’m a geezer. Well, back to the drawing bd.
Abeca Christian, that wasn’t me. My son isn’t confused. I feel bad because he is somewhat cynical. When I was his age I was a lot more idealistic. I remember when my son was a teen I told him that I liked a certain person and he told me that my opinion didn’t really matter because I liked everyone.
Thanks PA for your reply back, I appreciate you answering my question, I’m glad you responded the way you did because you didn’t act defensive.
It seems to be part of the human condition that while people are so offended by the sins of others, they are so amused by their own.
Well now that depends, K. I have cried over a few of my sins.
Anne T. I believe you are good and sincere.
k, that is not in the CCC2ndEd nor in the Bible; please tell us where it came from “It seems to be part of the human condition that while people are so offended by the sins of others, they are so amused by their own.”
JLS, perhaps k is thnking of the following scripture verse:
“For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?” (matthew 7:2-3)
Sorry JLS, it was my own observation.
in my book the observations of the bad willed are not ones I’m concerned with but with what our Lord thinks! His views are far more important than the ill judgements of a few here!
God bless you, abeca.
Don’t say things you don’t mean k.
God bless you, abeca. Why would I not mean it? It follows the word of God in Scripture.
k, you actually made your “own observation”? How do you feel? Are you ok? I mean, what happens next? Where, k, does it say in the CCC2ndEdition that anyone is permitted to make their own observations? What if word of this reaches the Vatican? Then what?
Good to see your sense of humor. Just remember my observation is not infallible.
Absolutely, max!!! Be sure to include “intentions” while you try to make sense of the verse you quoted. Just imagine if the intentions were good and directed towards Heaven, such as in an action which the Church calls “admonishing the sinner”, and records as a spiritual act of mercy, one of the most important things we can do. Just imagine, max, cutting through the persona, through the seared conscience, into the heart of the lost vagabond … You know, right, that “one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day”; thus, down the road a piece, that vagabond might fall to his or her knees before God and ask for Heaven … and all because you, max, popped ‘m one right on the spiritual nose, grabbed ‘m by the spiritual collar and broke through their lies and delivered the Gospel. Imagine it, max, one day far away, you get a phone call from ‘m and they tell you, “max, despite your own personal state of emotional mush, you delivered the Gospel and finally I saw the light”. max, do you realize that might take off fifty thousand years of Purgatory?
k, an observation means what you sense. There is of course a secondary meaning, which merges your thoughts, feelings, and imaginings into the observation. Trust your senses but do not confuse them with things that are not senses.