The following email came on July 8 to Cal Catholic from one of our readers.
Here is another story (see Randy Thomasson’s release below) to denounce Gov. Jerry Brown for signing (I think it was yesterday, July 7) Mark Leno’s SB 1306 which is to embed “same-sex marriage” in the California Family Code —
— in spite of PROP 8’s 14 words “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California” still being in the California Constitution.
NOTE: It seems like the California Catholic Conference didn’t even register opposition — although “Catholics for the Common Good” did!
Click here for text, analyses, support and opposition, and votes.
Thomasson’s Save California release:
Sacramento — A leading West Coast pro-family organization says today’s signature of Governor Jerry Brown on SB 1306 reveals who’s for and against real marriage and the best interests of children.
SB 1306 erases the voter-approved words, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California,” as well as every other statutory reference to “man and woman,” “male and female,” and “husband and wife” in the California Family Code.
“To do this in an election year is brazen defiance of the voters and cold-hearted indifference to the needs of children,” said Randy Thomasson, president of SaveCalifornia.com, which promotes moral virtues for the common good. “Jerry Brown’s signature and the Democrat-controlled Legislature’s approval of SB 1306 clearly shows who’s for, against, or ambivalent about marriage being naturally for one man and one woman, and children doing best with a married father and mother under the same roof….”
SB 1306 bill text, changes, and floor votes (voting yes were 74 Democrats and 5 Republicans)
This just in: study shows that children from same sex marriages have better physical health and social well-being than children in the general public.
https://m.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/children-of-same-sex-couples-are-happier-and-healthier-than-peers-research-shows/
I guess you will have to stop hiding behind the argument that same sex marriage is bad for kids. Now you’ll have to rely on the truth: you feel animosity for gay people because the Bible told said something that you think commands this behavior.
Balls in your court now. I welcome any peer reviewed and published studies that find otherwise.
The study also reveals that the biggest harms to children of same sex couples come from people who do not approve. So now, I guess it’s fair to say that opposing same sex marriage harms children. What a twist!
Every child has a mother and father and deserve to be raised by their biological mom and dad. There has been tons of research to show that children always do better with a mom and a dad. This “research” is from a very small sampling and mostly showing that “moms” can be good parents. Parenting is not the issue……many people can step up and be good parents (i.e. adoptive parents)…..but it is not “ideal” that a child grows up without their biological union with their own mom and dad–that will never change no matter how many “studies” are produced. God created man and woman to be fruitful and multiply…..not petri dishes.
So you would say that all adopted children are at a disadvantage? That’s offensive and untrue. Biological parents are not always ideal, especially when they have substance abuse issues, abuse their children, don’t care for their children.
Your argument speaks to an ideal that does not exist.
We are saying girls need both a mother and father figure and boys need both a mother and father figure — as nature intended. Adoption by opposite sex parents is not the ideal but the next best thing from having ones biological parents. Two men and two women will never fit that role. So called “Catholic” Jerry Brown has just turned the whole idea of St. Joseph protecting the Holy Family on its head. God forbid!
Well, according to this study you are incorrect. Apparently, children of same sex parents will be more physically healthy and enjoy a stronger sense of familial cohesion.
The only area where they suffer is due to stigma attached to their parents relationship by people like you.
Self fulfilling prophecy much?
But a lot of opposite sex families with both parents present are not ideal. This occurs when parents have substance abuse, a use their children, neglect their children, etc.
So you claim is incorrect factually. Two opposite sex parents are not always the best.
Who cares about the study!. Studies can be made to say anything according to who’s talking them. The only man I knew who was raising a young girl with his male lover used to call one of my relatives, while drunk, and cry on her shoulder. So you can take your “study” and just trash it as far as I am concerned. Get a life Anonymous.
He called my relative because he knew the girl needed a mother to tell her about certain things, but he was half a state away and could not handle it..
No, my story definitely was not made up. It only got worse because my relative finally had to tell the homosexual man to stop his daughter as she became a teen (he had adopted her) to stop calling her house and talking suggestively to her two oldest sons. The man was distantly related to her. The sons had told her what the girl was doing. She put a stop to it. Of course the young woman ended up pregnant and unwed, but not by her sons.
My relative was and is married and there is a father in the house. Her sons went to a Christian school, and were given a decent sex education at that time with chastity stressed. That is why they had sense enough to tell their mother what the girl was doing.
Annonymous Coward,
Why don’t you tell who or what is the source of your much touted study?
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
The information is right there, if you click the link. It’s not my job to prove the study to you.
Anne, I would suggest that a study of multiple peoe outweigh your one, likely made up example.
I’m sure there are many single fathers who have had to negotiate the same situation and who have raised happy, healthy, and wonderful daughters.
I look forward to honest communication with my children about their physical health and sex. I hope to prevent them from making the mistakes that many children make and can’t correct because their parents “can’t handle it.”
Well, Anonymous, it does not work that way, Children usually copy what they see from their parents. As the proverb goes, “The fruit does not fall far from the tree.” If you yourself are living an immoral lifestyle, most likely so will they. All the advice and admonitions will not work if you do not model it. The first thing a son or daughter will say to a father who is messing around, whether cheating on his wife or living in a homosexual relationship is why should I listen to you. Look what YOU are doing.
What you say is true, AnneT. But with those who have so visibly accepted the ape of marriage – men with men, women with women – will have no problem whatever if a son experiments with men or a daughter experiments with women. They would likely view it as natural and good and a healthy expression. Talk about confusing.
And that’s the issue, Anonymous. Modeling disordered sexual relationships as if they are normal will confuse the natural patterning of children. But that is exactly what is the desired effect. Raise a generation disconnected from that which is rational by using the influence of parents to ingrain an “it’s-all-good” mentality.
Anonymous is very sure of his findings on marriage and child rearing, yet afraid to use his or her name. However he is not accurate in his data or facts. Ask almost any adoptive child if they would like to know or at least look at their natural parents and they would say yes. Ask if when walking into a “family” gathering they would like to see one face that has the same features and characteristics as themselves and they would, if willing to admit it, say yes.
If men or women of whatever gender are just buying up rights to children then these children will never know the love that makes a true family. Orphanage children have difficulty making close family ties.
The goal of these so called LGBT people is more about creating the classless, loveless, societal drone, obedient only to its master’s voice- the govt bureaucrat.
Anonymous, you say that “The goal of these so called LGBT people is more about creating the classless, loveless, societal drone, obedient only to its master’s voice- the govt bureaucrat.” (7/13/14 at 6:36 AM). I wonder if you have ever actually met gay couples raising children. Oftentimes, their own biological children!?! You can get a hint at what that is about by watching the excellent HBO documentary now in circulation ad available on HBO GO, The Case Against 8. Part of the narrative is that of Sandy and Kris, who are followed for nearly 5 years as they raise their sons. It pretty much disproves what you wrote above.
Except that the study presented above seems to suggest that same-sex headed households are actually the true “ideal” because those families promote better physical health and social well-being in their children versus families represented by the general (aka traditional) public. At the very least, as anon suggests, it’s clear that opposing same sex marriage harms children; which is exactly what the Supreme Count ruling in Windsor and Perry suggested as well.
Why don’t you quit being a troll, and go onto a homosexual web site.
We do not tolerate MORTAL SIN.
Anonymous, are you a Catholic?
Yes, although it’s been hard for me to stay true to the church in the past few years. The appointment of a archbishop ore interested in political activities than spiritual guidance has undermined my confidence in my diocese.
I’ve been attending non-catholic Christian churches recently.
Anonymous, You are not true to Jesus or His Church, or you would not promote Mortal Sin.
IF you are Catholic, you are a heretic or schismatic (see CCC #2089 for Church definitions).
Regarding homosexual acts
Bible: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:4-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10.
CCC: 2357, 2358, 2359. & 2396
Anonymous,
According to several articles in The Economist, the scientific efficacy of articles published in scientific publications over the past 10 years had dropped significantly. This finding includes peer reviewed articles. Given this information, to cite a single article is tantamount to citing a false authority. Are you familiar with the many studies which refute your study?
I have yet to read one, please provide some references.
I do recall one that was quite popular a year ago or so. The. It turned out that the study didn’t actually use families that included same sex parents. It was fake, if you will.
That some studies are not as great anymore, does not mean that all studies are worse. This is the only available study at the moment, but I imagine these findings will be confirmed in the future. It is also more studies than have ever been peer reviewed and published showing that opposite sex parents are ideal. That claim was made up based on “self-evident” truths. It’s really convincing.
Anonymous,
You must know that you are fighting an uphill battle. There are primal elements imprinted into the human psyche that come, from nothing else, human evolution. It’s what the species is. For the survival of society, children must have both an emotionally healthy father and mother. The more that we deviate from this norm, the more we invite dysfunction into the culture. At no time should a society glorify anything other than this norm.
Here are two studies for you: The first was conducted by Mark Regnerus, “How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study,” Social Science Research Vol 41, Issue 4 (July 2012), pp. 752-770
The second study was conducted by Loren Marks, “Same-sex parenting and children’s outcomes: A closer examination of the American Psychological Association’s brief on lesbian and gay parenting,” Social Science Research Vol 41, Issue 4 (July 2012), pp. 735-751
Do Catholics believe in evolution?
Also, there is no evolutionary rule that says that children need a biological mother and father. Our species has proven that incorrect. There are many healthy children who are the product of a family that does not include a mother and a father.
Of course, our species will require opposite sex couples to have babies to survive. But I don’t challenge that. I think it is perfectly marvelous that there are opposite sex couples who raise healthy kids. But that does not mean that same sex parents cannot also raise healthy kids. I was raised by opposite sex parents, I am gay. My brother was raised by the same opposite sex parents, he is straight. I can find for you many children who were raised by same sex parents who are straight. There is no link between the orientation of parents and their children, that is well established.
Now, the Regnerus study was found to be dishonest. Of the 3000 families Regnerus studied, 2998 were families in which the biological parents had previously divorced. So Regnerus’ study only proves what was already established: that children fare worse when they have parents who divorce. Further, Regnerus was not honest and claimed that his study was statistically significant. If two families who were studied, out of 3000 do not include parents who divorced, then that study is not statistically significant.
“Studies Show.” Yeah, that’ll convince people that being brought up without a mother or father is good for kids.
If that doesn’t convince you, I imagine nothing will. However, maybe you should get to know a same sex family and then you can learn for yourself.
Sodomy marriage is a Mortal Sin and sends unrepentant Souls to Hell.
The bad example and promotion of Mortal Sin by adults is very cruel.
” Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
nor homosexuals,
nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. ” 1 Cor 6:9-10.
“I guess you will have to stop hiding behind the…”
Anonymous Gaystapo Troll curtain you post such Alinskyite drivel from… At least to have Any Credibility beyond that of the usual Resident Harpy Trolls roosting here, meaning none whatsoever.
Note how Those who Hate the Site and Church the Most – Target Others standing on the Rock of the Church, but want to remain ‘anonymous’ rock throwers themselves.
Anonymous : Researcher Questions Data in Same-Sex Parenting Study
https://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/researcher-questions-data-in-same-sex-parenting-study/
“The data sample was not random and based on the broad population. Rather, the data was gathered by recruiting parents in same-sex households through homosexual news media, email lists, community events and community groups such as Gay Dads Australia and the Rainbow Families Council of Victoria.”
and what they call “normal” is not what the general population calls normal. Even India, basically a Hindu nation voted against so-called same-sex marriages. They are not stupid either. They know it takes both a man and a woman to produce a child. That is nature’s way and an indisputable fact, whether one believes in evolution or not, and nothing is ever going to change that fact. Also, we know that the misuse of their bodies by homosexuals and even sometimes lesbians have contributed to an enormous amount of disease and bodily injuries. One has to be loaded on alcohol and drugs to do such things to each others bodies such fisting. They even drug women who are in the porn industry so they can stand doing such things it is so often so painful Sorry to be so graphic, but sometimes it just has to be said to warn people. Surgeon General Koop tried to warn the nation about such behavior in the 1970s but many just would not listen, so they paid the price in HIV and costly cures, which the rest of us have to help pay. And all the so called heterosexuals who back them are most often the same people who engage in such risky and bodily injurious behavior themselves.
India is also the country where a town council ordered the public rape of a 13 year old because her brother engaged in sexual conduct with a different girl.
Please don’t refer to India as a beacon of morality. The country has serious issues and there is widespread activity sanctioned at the governmental level that would be deemed barbaric in any developed country.
Anonymous, someone else’s sin does not excuse your sin. Remember Adam and Eve and the snake in the garden, whether it is taken literally or not. They tried that. it did not work. God zapped each for his/her own sin. To me you are just another snake in the garden.
To “California Catholic Conference”: Where are you guys? If reports are accurate, and the bishops of the State failred to oppose this further coded legislation, then you should resign. You are intended to be “shepherds,” the protectors of the flock. Satan is strong and beyond our intelligence, it is true. Yet, when an example comes to you of evil, as is evident in this legislation, you are required to thunderously oppose it, even if all around you rain down calumny against you. Don’t you see that this is another of the hundred “little steps” that Satan uses to “get everyone used to it,” that is the normalization of homosexual sex, and relationships, and adoption and all the rest. Get with the Church’s message — homosexual sex is never, ever OK. Any and all indicia of society that separates homosexual perversion from God-ordained joining of Man and Woman together in marriage, and to propagate Mankind, is good and wholesome to God, and to Man. Governor Brown is a perfect example — perfect — of a completely failed Catholic that chooses to ride the gravy train to his own economic and social glory, and to the ruination of his citizens. How dare you call yourself Men of the Christ’s own Church. What were you doing when this legislation came out?
The California bishops probably never heard of Canon 915, either. That’s why we have so many CINO politicians running around doing and/or saying un-Catholic things. Spineless, aren’t they?
The majority of level headed voters spoke up twice in CA in defense of marriage between one man and one woman. This Governor and the elite who feel they know better than the majority of level headed people with common sense in CA will continue to hijack our laws and do as they please–such is the dictatorship that is our government. I suppose it will continue until it all blows up in their faces……and it will eventually.
San-D
The California Voters Approved a Constitutional Amendment that is Still Valid. The former federal judge in Sodom by the Sea who overturned the Marriage law never got it to the US Supreme Court, despite all the legal ‘shenanigans’ the circus entailed…
– Thanks in part to Gaystapo Blackmail while in office of ‘Der Arnold’ Schwarzenegger, over his allegedly ‘secret’; Extra Son – But they could Not Change the State Constitution nor its insistence on Two Genders (Man XY & Woman XX).
Hence – regardless o the wind from a demicrat machine not fit to pass gas, they cannot overturn the Constitution – and Cannot Alter the Constitutional Definition of Male & Female Gender – though they can simply pretend otherwise without challenge in ‘our’ Turkey Baster Creationist Courts.
The ‘Gaystapo Coin Toss Rule’ is in effect, Heads they win, tails you lose… according to that eminent lucrative legal sage ‘Mr. Green”
Even though McDermott was trained as an attorney, he doesn’t seem to understand the law. Prop 8 was declared unconstitutional by a federal district court judge. The defendants in the case did not elect to appeal the case. Intervenors did appeal the case, which the ninth circuit heard, but later the US Supreme Court said the intervenors did not have standing to bring the appeal. Because the valid defendants did not appeal, the district court case stands, and Prop 8 is struck down as unconstitutional. To say that it is still valid is a blatant lie. If it were not a lie, the US Supreme Court would not have allowed the stay preventing enforcement of the District court decision to be lifted.
“Even though McDermott was trained as an attorney, he doesn’t seem to understand the law.”
YFC is a militant homosexual activist who rejects God’s Laws because he has been trained by his own habitual vices.
Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: because it is an abomination.” Douay-Rheims
Do you really want to start an Old Testament scripture-off?
I will bury you in all kinds of crazy rules that are conveniently not applicable. Of course, selective enforcement by the Catholic laity means that 18:22 is still enforced.
Don’t be disingenuous with your scriptural citations, Catherine. Jesus does not smile when you do this.
Not sodomizing your fellow man is hardly a crazy rule, Anonymous. It’s common sense. Like don’t stick your toes up your nose or don’t poke your sister in the eye. To say anything less is disingenuous.
And if seeking a smile from Our Lord is on your agenda, stop promoting that which is an abomination before Him. If you struggle against your temptations, however, and gird your brothers up in their fight against sin, then you will make Our Lord smile. He will HELP you in your efforts, too!
Anne, the source of that rule is a list which the church ignores. Immaurprised I have to say this, but you don’t get to pick and choose your bible verses.
I also noted that you focused on sodomizing a fellow man. I assume that was a slip of the tongue and that you also include sodomy between opposite sex couples. Word on the street is that more opposite sex couples engage in this behavior than same sex couples. That would make sense though, there are waaaaaaayyyyy more opposite sex couples in the world. Seems to me that your anger and disgust is misplaced.
Perhaps you ought to focus you “righteous anger,” or whatever you tell yourself to justify your sinful comments about others, and focus on the source of the supposed problem.
Women are part of mankind and would, in that sense constitute one’s fellow man, Anonymous. And sodomy – I’m glad you understand the term – is not exclusively forbidden to simply man/man interaction.
But I am glad that you see the disconnect between the persons involved and the disordered action of sodomy, no matter who participates. Sodomy is not condoned as righteous for ANYBODY, Anonymous. If it were, you may have a point as then it might be seen as some form of persecution. (IOW: We can pervert the natural law, but you can’t. Rather hypocritical.) That is likely the reason many heterosexuals don’t have an issue with sodomy or sodomites, because they too commit it and have no problem with it. But theirs is a misunderstanding of the bond of marriage and the dignity of human sexuality and they likely don’t want to have as many babies as God sends them either.
Taking it a step further, however, what heterosexual couples do in private, while potentially mortally sinful, does not add the sin of scandal to the mix as their pairing does not by physiology alone call out the basis of said union on a misuse of the sexual faculty.
So while you may believe that comments related to the truth are somehow sinful, it could be rather that you are confused and believe there is a personal persecution, when in reality it is the promoting of sodomy that is at issue.
Thank you again for making that distinction, Anonymous.
“I will bury you in all kinds of crazy rules that are conveniently not applicable.” = Convenient and flimsy tactic used by militant homosexual activists in an attempt to justify committing mortal sin. Faithful Catholics follow Christ and the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church….not a crazy made up excuse book called *the rainbow bible.*
SWISH! SWISH! (the sound of dust being brushed off of our sandals).
Luke 9:60 Douay-Rheims Bible
“And Jesus said to him: Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou, and preach the kingdom of God. “
Women are not on equal footing with men, according to the bible. And Leviticus specifically calls out sex between men, not mankind. If your going to be a literalist, you don’t get to reason by analogy to include women.
But I’m not convinced you understand the meaning of the term. You apply it in a very narrow sense to oppose sexual conduct between same sex partners.
However, what exactly is sodomy? Sodom was notorious for many depraved acts, you need to be more specific. Is it sodomy for a same sex couple to marry if they never have sex?
Also, the sexual connotation of “sodomy” did not arise until the sixth century AD. This was well after the writing of Leviticus and hundreds of years after the writings that comprise the New Testament.
I don’t think you know what your talking about. You use language with a very particular and modern understanding. You do not use language according to the connotations understood at the time of the writings.
Anonymous, anal cancer and other similar injuries are rare among heterosexuals but common among practicing homosexual, so the idea that the majority of heterosexual couples engage in it is a myth. it is a myth past around by people who want to encourage the habit.
Anne T., anal cancer is caused by the HPV virus, and is not always a sexually transmitted virus. It can be, for sure, but in any case, you can’t use the incidence of anal cancer as a marker for the prevalence of anal sex. One does not follow directly from the other in any way that is easy to explain.
anonymous, until i see the vetting for socio-economic factors, if the study made them available, i would be a poor scientist to find causality where there might only be association. is the study dealing with comparable income levels. it’s a known fact that the gay community forms a block with higher average income. does this study take into account better diet and health that would be concomitant?
If you read the study, you can learn all of this for yourself. I have read the study, I inderstand it’s limits, and I invite you to so the same.
But it was accepted and vetted through peer review.
Anonymous,
According to several articles in The Economist, the scientific efficacy of articles published in scientific publications over the past 10 years had dropped significantly. This finding includes peer reviewed articles. Given this information, to cite a single article is tantamount to citing a false authority. Are you familiar with the many studies which refute your study?
I accept you challenge. Please provide at least 3 peer reviewed and published studies that refute this study. You must provide more than one, because according to you, a single study is a citation to false authority.
I am excited to read them!
Steve
– It is a mugs game to try and jump through the flaming hoops of the ‘anonymous’ harpy Trolls operating here, as this segment of the Alinsky Scam is to keep you on the defensive – and permanently targeted with newer and more bizarre demands.
Remember – If the source is any one of those ‘Pro-Family groups’
(you know who you are – and so do the 900 Lb Mozilla Gaystapo Gorillas too)
That the Southern Intellectual Imppverished Kooks Klan have identified as politically Un-Good – then quoting them doesn’t count, if only because the Resident Harpies have a standing Homosex Hissy Fit against citing to them.
Still – R.O. Lopez has compiled a fair sample of some of the sites and sources you may want to consult – if you really feel you must do the bidding of the Homosex Trolls here.
300 ARTICLES YOU HAVE TO READ TO UNDERSTAND THE TERM ‘HOMOFASCISM’
by ROBERT OSCAR LOPEZ
https://barbwire.com/2014/07/07/300-articles-read-understand-meant-term-homofascism/
Hey Steve, at least I didn’t ask you to read 300 made up articles to understand the term “homofascism.” Laugh out loud!!!
I only asked for 3. And I provided one for you to read.
I don’t have that kind of free time, as I imagine you do not either.
Anonymous Coward,
Don’t be surprised if your peer review gods are present to try to refute the REAL GOD AND HIS MOTHER AT YOUR JUDGEMENT DAY!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Also, it’s more research than has ever been presented to support the idea that gay parents are not good for kids. Those who oppose same sex marriage have never published one peer reviewed study to support such arguments.
Taking children out of one bad situation and putting them into another does not help them. Most of these situations where children are abused are by heterosexuals and people of the LGBT who are on drugs or alcohol and have no good morals.
And sleeping with someone of the same sex is not morally upright.
Yes; and a number of other very relevant factors. Read the study.
From NOM: “The subject of the headline is a farce of a study based on bad methodology. The survey the Post reports on was done in Australia and purports to show that children of same-sex parents actually are better off than their peers being raised by a mother and father. We know of course that there is no basis for such an outrageous claim, and a closer look at this Australian survey itself confirms our skepticism about it.
The so-called study does not use random sampling — the gold standard of any type of research — but rather self-selected subjects who knew the purpose of the study beforehand! Furthermore, the same-sex parents in the study self-reported all the information, including the answers to how their children were faring — in other words, the children themselves were not consulted.”
NO! end of discussion.
Those “vote approved words” that this article talks about, were found unconstitutional by a federal district court. The decision was appealed, and the circuit court found the words unconstitutional as well. The United States Supreme Court decided that the appellants didn’t have standing to bring the appeal, and so the finding of unconstitutionality by the district court stands. So you can get all high and mighty about the words being stricken, but they had no effect whatsoever, since it would be illegal to enforce them.
What’s to say, except after the Lord Jesus was tempted in the desert, there have been an awful lot of rulers and politicians who did not take the Lord’s advice and have sold their souls for political power. But for California, Gov. Brown, just California? Please St. Thomas More pray for these poor lost souls and all of us..
Gov. Jerry Brown is ignorant and immoral, and a very, very weak man!! Goofy liberal, so-called “scientific” studies, as quoted above– do not matter at all! The ONLY thing that matters, is MORAL RESPONSIBILITY by civic leaders, for the protection and well-being of TRUE marriage, family, and children, established by God, since Biblical days! That is all!! PERIOD!!
I sound like a broken record, but I will again state. ‘The bishops do not care about traditional Catholic values. All they want are social programs which destroy the middle class, undermine the faith, and help illegal aliens. Most bishops voted for Obama, in both elections, which proves they are part of the left wing in politics. Is it a wonder why the Catholic Church is rapidly disintegrating right before our very eyes. In Latin America once a Catholic bastion, the faith is dying, as it is in Europe and in North America. Christ predicted this: though the Church would never be wiped out, there would only be a few who practiced the faith, chosen out of grace..
Exactly, Fr. Karl. Righteousness exalts nations, not moral relativism.
Father,
I just had lunch with a priest from Uganda who is studying in Europe, and he tells me that for the most part the Faith is lost in Europe! His Brother priest from Africa doing likewise, get together to keep their Faith safe from the European apostacy!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
Does the priest in Uganda support the law that results in the imprisonment of gay people?
I’m sure he is a perfect example of compassion and human decency!!
Dear Father Karl,
You never sound like a broken record. You sound like a faithful priest who truly cares about our souls! Thank you!
Homosexual sexualiists living together have no more right to adopt a child than would two demons. The gullibility of people is astonishing; evil policy creates misguided (or evil) supporters, that develop “studies” supporting anything (just like they all form committees and give each other awards for one offensive action or other. You are fools if you see this as anything other than politically inspired. Look at the takeover of the American Psychological Association by Homosexual Fascists. They forced the abandonment of requiring scientific proofs to support the policy positions of the APA (the “Leona Tyler Principle”); even the prior APA Presidednt Dr. Nicholas Cummings talked about this and the bias against members who support reparative therapy from being a force in developing an APA position. The concept of homosexuals being “parents” is an evil only supporting by an increagingly pagan America. Soon even negative opinions like this will be outlawed, given the hysteria of the homosexual lobby. And, of course, one asks the ever necessary question: where are the bishops and USCCB (and CCC) in all of this?
Send this article to your own California Diocese Bishops.
In addition, has the California Catholic Bishops Conference been sleeping?
Where were they prior to this law being passed?
Are they useless?
Maddie,
Re.: the Taxi-fornia “bishops” WORSE THAN USELESS!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Unfortunately large amounts of government money, largely through Catholic Charities, have compromised our bishops. They have not spoken out on serious issues critical to our faith and to the well being of the general public. This has gone on for years. Governmental matters are left to Church bureaucrats that do very little to defend the faith or true interests of faithful Catholics.
Bishops need to get out of Government Grant business.
Jesus never taught this.
Beware of ‘Kaiifornikated’ Science’ in Academentia
The first item of note is that this propaganda was based on a “Convenience Survey” – of Selected Volunteers, and not any statistically valid sampling, although the lamesteam media avoided mention of this.
Newsbusters said:
“When researching child health in same-sex families the first problem is identifying, and then recruiting, such families….only one way that this can be achieved: through convenience sampling.
…Crouch and his fellow researchers sought out volunteers… It was not a randomized study, as is commonplace. The Post gave this reality a pass however…”
https://newsbusters.org/blogs/connor-williams/2014/07/07/washpost-gay-families-are-happier-and-healthier-traditional-familie
As with ‘our’ Turkey Baster Creationist Courts, so to a Demicrat Legislative body itself unfit to pass gas; declaring that Gender Science only interferes with Political Pandering – and the former must go if the latter is to flourish.
http://www.donorsiblingregistry.com shows what a Lie this all is
BTW – Was the Larry Brinkin ‘family’ included in the survey – including of course the entire extended Racist Pederast Toddler Rape Ring run out of the ‘in-human-rights’ commission in Frisco?
Ho-hum. Yawn. Stretch. More Catholicism 101.
peter, go to your own web site.
Stop being a troll, and a troll who hates the Catholic Faith at that.
It is not Catholicism at all.
Want to know Who is running the PUppet Show behind the age of Abomination, and keeping the ‘Vanilla’ (clueless voters / taxpayers) down on the ObamAcoirn mushroom farm?
Dean Singleton used to run the largest Propaganda Syndicate in the entire bought and paid for ‘free press’ – and used it to heavily Censor Politically Un-Good Facts (Like the Larry Brinkin Racist Toddler Rape Ring – run out of the ‘in-human-rights’ comm in Frisco
SEE San Francisco’s Gay Icon Larry Brinkin Guilty of Felony Child Porn Possession: https://cnsnews.com/node/757449)…
But also as a shield and shill for his favorite radical transformer – who he helped twice make POTUS – Barry ‘Down Low’ Soetoro.
After twice wreaking havoc on the First Amendment in His Uber-Partisan Lamesteam Media Censorship Scams, Dean Singleton ‘retired’ – with this ‘Digital First’ excremental legacy left rotting on the remains of the Old Rebupclik:
Digital First Media appoints new president
NEW YORK — Digital First Media, parent company of the Daily Times, on Tuesday announced the appointment of Steven B. Rossi as company president.
Rossi will continue as the company’s chief operating officer, a position he has held since January. He was an executive vice president of Digital First Media for the prior two years.
Contd.
(BTW – Digital First Meia = Is also the Contra Costa Times, Mercury News, Associated Press and a lot of other dregs of the Internetnet-newsroom wars – to survive the frenzied orgy of back stabbing and professional garroting that accompanied the downsizing, so far)
Digital First Media appoints new president
NEW YORK — Digital First Media, parent company of the Daily Times, on Tuesday announced the appointment of Steven B. Rossi as company president….
MediaNews Group, chief financial officer of Knight Ridder, president of Knight Ridder Newspaper Division, senior vice president of Knight Ridder Newspapers, and executive vice president and general manager of the Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News.
Headquartered in New York City, Digital First Media reaches 67 million American monthly through more than 800 multi-platform news and information products across 18 states.
https://www.delcotimes.com/business/20140709/digital-first-media-appoints-new-president
The CA Bishops are too busy supporting Democrats and ILLEGAL immigrants than to concern themselves with teaching about INTRINSIC EVILS that will send Souls to Hell for eternity.
Jesus would have shown compassion to undocumented immigrants. Especially the tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors with no where to go. I seem to recall that blessed are the poor and the weak.
ANNE, Your lack of charity and compassion makes Jesus weep.
Jesus would show compassion, yes, but encourage one and all to follow the laws of sovereign countries and do their own jobs first. That said, Anonymous, Catholic Bishops are first and foremost the guardians and teachers of the Faith. Not politicians. That is why their getting involved with such high profile politics instead of teaching the basics of the Faith to their own flock smacks of pride, attention seeking, and wanting to tend the forest while forgetting the trees.
If the Church focused on building up a solidly catechized faithful, the faithful could properly handle the secular realm as their job demands they do. But the faithful are not properly catechized as evidenced by a person such as yourself thinking it uncharitable to think the Bishops should focus on their job instead of playing politics as some grand diversion.
Your lack of logic and proper order makes Jesus weep.
Lol, Anne. Jesus calls for his followers to care for those in need. It is 100% the job of the church to reduce the suffering and pain that afflicts those who immigrate.
Curiously, the majority of immigrants in the US come from Latin American countries where the Catholic Church maintains a strong preference. Perhaps if the church leadership opposed corrupt leaders who harm their populations, there would be fewer people headed north.
Also, Jesus would not encourage people to follow the law of sovereign nations. He would encourage his followers to oppose unjust laws.
If what you claim is true, you must immediately stop opposing same sex marriage. It is the law of the land and the US is a sovereign nation.
I can’t speak as to whether Jesus would encouarage people to do their own jobs first, but coincidentally enough, the majority of immigrants come to the US seeking jobs. They don’t have much economic opportunity in their country if origin.
Immigration may be merely “politics” to you, but I assure you it is of much more importance in the lives of those who feel the need to emigrate. It is an issue of justice, fairness, humanity, and morality.
It’s called humility, Anonymous. Stick to your own job. Do it well or at least the best you can FIRST, then branch out. We all want to do the bigger things now. The seemingly more important thing. (There’s a lot of pride in that and the potential to be used by powers that are not holy. The devil will do anything to get you off track, even using what appears to be holy like taking care of the poor while your own children have dirty clothes, run around unsupervised and/or have no food because you were out doing charity work all day.)
So yes, we all should care for those in need. But just like you are instructed to do when there is trouble in an airplane during flight, put the oxygen mask on yourself first. To be mean? No. But rather to ensure your health first so that you can have the wherewithal to save others which are usually those closest to you. Then you branch out.
A Bishop floundering around in politics who hasn’t the wherewithal to teach the fullness of the Faith in his own diocese is asking for trouble spiritually. The why is because we will be judged first and foremost on how we do our immediate job. Not saving the world while letting our own children and flock perish for want of tending.
Charity begins at home. A Bishop’s diocese is his home. And so he should focus first on teaching the faith and morals to his flock.
Check out these 10 myths about sodomites. Make sure all your friends with young boys read “Myth No. 8: Homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals”.
http://www.tinyurl.com/10SodomiteMyths
What You Need to Know About the Mark Regnerus Study of Homosexual Parents – by Peter Sprigg FRC
University of Texas sociologist Mark Regnerus sparked a firestorm of criticism from pro-homosexual activists when his peer-reviewed scholarly article on children raised by homosexual parents was published in the journal Social Science Research in June.
Using a large, population-based sample, Dr. Regnerus found that children whose parents had a same-sex romantic relationship while the child was growing up suffer deficits compared to children raised by their own married biological mother and father.
Because the study undermined the politically correct claim that such children are no different from children with heterosexual parents, and because it reinforced a key point made in defense of the natural definition of marriage as the union of man and woman (namely, that kids need both a mom and a dad), it became urgent for pro-homosexual activists to discredit the study and, if possible, destroy Regnerus…
https://www.frcblog.com/2012/09/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-mark-regnerus-study-of-homosexual-parents/
What McDermott fails to tell you is that Regnerus’ study only looked at TWO kids who were raised by two same sex parents for the bulk of their childhood, and both of those TWO kids actually were quite healthy compared to his controls. The rest of the kids in the Regnerus study were raised by a parent or parents who said that at one time or another, the parent had a same sex partner. They could have dated for a month, and still were said to have come from a same sex household. In other words, Regenerus compared stable, married households against households in which the parents were in the most unstable of situations. Unstable parental relationships have been known for a long time to not be a great environment for kids independent on whether they are gay or straight!! At a marriage trial this year, a judge to accepted testimony from Regenerus himself ruled that the study was utterly worthless and was not to be believed as providing any evidence whatsoever with regard to the fitness of same sex couples to be parents.
“That Study Showing Kids With Same-Sex Parents Fare Better? Yeah, the Media Left a Few Details Out. (Daily Signal)
There’s been no shortage of media coverage of a new study that purportedly shows that children raised by same-sex partners fare better than other children…
In an article published on Public Discourse, University of Texas at Austin professor Mark Regnerus takes issue with the study’s method.
But the sample surveyed in the study chose to participate. The Melbourne researchers didn’t randomly select the first 500 same-sex couples they found, after checking for sufficient regional/income/educational diversity. Instead, they advertised the study – and couples found the researchers, not vice versa.
Furthermore, the couples then reported on how their children were – and no outside party fact-checked those results, or evaluated the children independently.
Talking about the couples who participated in the study, Regnerus sounds this note of caution:
[P]articipants—parents reporting about their children’s lives—are all well aware of the political import of the study topic, and an unknown number of them certainly signed up for that very reason. As a result, it seems unwise to trust their self-reports, given the high risk of “social desirability bias,” or the tendency to portray oneself (or here, one’s children) as better than they actually are.
https://dailysignal.com/2014/07/10/study-showing-kids-sex-parents-fare-better-yeah-media-left-details/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Yes, Conus Californicus, he accuses me of lying when I told him the truth about a situation in my family, without mentioning the exact relative that it was for privacy sake, but you and I know that situations like that go on all the time.
How can you know that this happens all the time if you are only aware of one instance of it.
I know that many priests have broken many laws, does that mean that every priest is breaking laws?
Anne, you can’t be serious.
Conus, I’d advise you to do the same. Jesus never asked you to run around te Internet attacking lgbt people.
I will answer one last time. I said I only know of one personally, I have read and heard about many others from people who have gone through such experiences.
Anonymous, I hope you don’t give up on the Church that Christ suffered and died for – Christ will never give up on you or anyone else. There are some objective truths that you would be unwise to ignore. I’m attaching an article that addresses many of the myths about same sex parenting We need to listen to the now grown kids raised in these situations since many of them suffered tremendously. If you only read one story, read about Dawn Stefanowicz.
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3172/SameSex_Marriage_and_Parenting_Four_Big_Myths_Debunked.aspx
Carol, surely you don’t believe that Dawn’s story is grounds for prohibiting all gay people from marrying. She is the product of a very specific situation that is lamentable. I think we agree that no child should be subject to sexual abuse or molestation. That her dad was wildly promiscuous is also not grounds to prohibit all gay proe from marrying. I personally, am neither promiscuous nor abusive of others.
The website you linked to doesn’t prove anything. It’s based on the Regnerus study which was dishonest. Also, that some gay people in France don’t want to get married, is not grounds to prohibit marriage. Some gay people do want to get married.
By the logic of that webpage, there should be no heterosexual marriage. There are many straight people who do not want to get married.
I know you mean well, but you have been misinformed by a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. It is an interpretation that professes the wrath and vengefulness of God, all while ignoring the peaceful message of Jesus.
Good luck in your continued pursuit of what is holy. Don’t let fundamentalists deter you.
Your chastening of Carol was very kind, Mike, but misguided. Having read her post, it is apparent that Carol has not been misinformed by a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible, but rather is cleaving to fundamental teachings of the Bible and the Catholic Church – that is core moral teachings. Let’s not demonize the words. I think we can all agree that not twisting everyday words into undesirable tag lines is best or at the least more conducive to productive conversation.
That said, same sex attraction does not a marriage make… or children. Whereas heterosexual sexual attraction is the natural fundamental element that begets children which is why it is the natural foundation of family. It is therefore not confusing to a child who, in the process of development, will come to understand the basics of interaction when seeking to found their own family.
Our Lord’s love as expressed in the New Testament is very clear as you intimated in your post, and yet it is in no way a negation of the realities of God’s justice. Rather Our Lord’s is a ‘loving’ call to do that which is righteous and just before God, not a permission to do as we will according to the flesh, Mike. Our Lord loathes sin which is why He has been so tender and thorough in supplying our need to wash it away and also, by way of His grace, to avoid it and even the occasion.
God bless you and please reconsider the actual fundamentals of God’s will for his creation.