This past spring, Campus Ministry and LGBT Student Services (LGBTSS) sponsored four Loyola Marymount University students and two staff members to participate in the Ignatian Q Conference at Fordham University in New York.
This conference, founded in 2014 at Fordham, has been hosted across the country by Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities schools and 2023 marked its first return since the pandemic. The conference focuses on creating community, developing spirituality, and affirming humanity for LGBTQ+ students at Jesuit schools.
Students and staff represented 14 Jesuit institutions at this year’s conference. Keynote speakers included Bryan Massingale, S.T.D., a Catholic priest and the James and Nancy Buckman Chair in Applied Christian Ethics at Fordham University; Joan Garry, a nationally recognized LGBT activist who led what was formerly known as the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation; and Jim Martin, S.J., a priest and editor of American Media.
Stuart Moskovitz, LMU’s director of LGBTSS, was part of a discussion where panelists from various religious affiliations and identities addressed the intersectionality of faith and identity. Moskovitz reflected on the panel by sharing, “For me, the most memorable part of being on the panel was seeing how attendees – students, staff, and faculty – would snap their fingers when they resonated with something one of the panelists shared, regardless of their own religious affinity.” Moskovitz added, “And that showed me that there’s a lot of overlap in interfaith. I think when students recognize we all are connected with similar thoughts and processes, we’re able to learn from each other. It really struck me how willing students were to learn from each other and be in community to build connections in a place where people could bring their full selves into the space.”
The conference allowed students to connect with each other and with staff and faculty from other Jesuit institutions and learn what is happening on campuses across the country. Focus was given to types of programming that students could bring back to share with the LMU community. Students also got to explore what resources are offered on campuses and share some of the resources that LMU offers to students that may not be available at other campuses. Students from other institutions asked lots of questions of Moskovitz about the LGBTSS office and how the program was built on LMU’s campus; he was able to share how the office and its resources have been built out of empowerment. “At LMU, we wanted student identities to be seen, focused, heard, and valued,” said Moskovitz.
Chris de Silva, campus minister for music and liturgy from Campus Ministry, attended this conference for the first time and felt that it offered an opportunity to learn. “I was inspired by a growing community of courageous queer students of faith, and those of no faith, who are willing to be open and visible to explore more about the intersection of faith, sexual, and gender identities,” said de Silva. “These brave voices are essential to conversations about diversity and inclusion. From all our conversations, breakout sessions, keynote sessions, and meals together, I felt a sense of unconditional acceptance of who we are and are meant to be….”
From LMU Newsroom
It offered an opportunity to learn what?
Jim Martin, American Media ( aka James Martin, America magazine) will bring his Q expertise to the Lisbon World Youth Day in a presentation this week
This kind of indoctrination by Jesuits will lead souls to hell.
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More so for those who are leading and teaching this evil than for those who, perhaps invincibly ignorant, follow them. The fact that Catholic clergy and Catholic schools can mislead people with impunity is a terribly unfortunate circumstance of our day. The job of bishops is to enforce orthodox Catholic doctrine. They’re not doing their job. Perhaps bishops who choose not to get involved in this controversy, who choose not to intervene and correct, will also end up in hell for their grave negligence.
Sorry, but the “boss of the bishops,” in Rome, is not doing his job…It is very manly and mature, to be very responsible and reliable, to do things right, even if it seems a little hard at times– for Christ. Like preaching Chastity for Christ– and living by it– just as our Church has faithfully done, for more than 2,000 years. When the football coach, athletic trainer, or math teacher tells the kids to do hard and challenging things– they say yes, and do as he says– and achieve great results! Kids can do great things for Christ, too! And it is not really that hard!
How dare you continue to throw mud at our Pope. Stop harassing Catholics.
Any and every cleric who wears that shirt should be defrocked. The Jesuits prove, yet again, that they aren’t Catholic. The sooner this gay and trans push for normalcy is eradicated from Catholic institutions and parishes, the better. But it won’t go away without a fight.
In the end, delusive enticements by these charismatic charlatans will garner more chaff than wheat.
Did they drink Bud Light at the conference? Cheaper than water now in some stores. Nobody non-gay wants to be seen drinking it anymore.
America magazine is considered a left leaning publication. As a Catholic be very leery of this publication.
Bud Light has had it’s best days behind them. According to a bar in Buffalo, New York instead of Bud Light it’s Miller Time now!
I wish the article was a littlde more explicit.Are the clergy teslling members of the gay community that it is o.k. to participate in gay sex?If so it should be condemed just as any other sexual activity outside mariage is.
Of course they think gay sex is just fabulous. That’s the unstated whole point of the conference.
“I wish the article was a little more explicit.” Notice how close to edge of explicitness the article come without crossing the line: 1. ” people could bring their full selves into the space;” 2. ‘ growing community of courageous queer students of faith;” 3.”These brave voices are essential to conversations about diversity and inclusion.” Notice carefully that if it was the intention of these workshops to uphold Church teaching, there is no reason why this should not be proclaimed boldly as a bold acceptance of Catholic truth. The coyness of language can have only one purpose–to explore an alternative synthesis of faith and sexuality along queer lines in keeping with Jesuit dissimulation.
Unless your parish’s LGBT ministry is Courage, you need to be wary of it and try to get it ousted. Every parish gay ministry except Courage rejects Catholic teaching. Gays are using the language of welcome and inclusion to get a foothold, which they will use to launch an attack on Catholic doctrine. Don’t trust any gay ministry or diocesan or parish or college gay ministry leader unless it’s Courage.
When you go to Mass, do they teach that adultery is ok? Do they even talk about sex at Mass?
Even at the marriage renewal Mass, at our parish, nobody talks about sex.
Why are you so obsessed with sex? There’s a new lace to talk about marriage and sex n a parish.
often, when I reply to someone, the website places the post as another initial comment. It was a reply to John C.
I do not understand your second sentence.
I will tell my spouse that I am obsessed with sex. They will either run or jump.
When they use the language of “free to be who we really are and are meant to be,” they mean having gay sex. It’s code.
If you are a gay Catholic or heterosexual unmarried Catholic, you are meant to be chaste. They know that.
But they reject it. They don’t accept it.
That line is not in the article.
Look again: The very last line in the article above: “From all our conversations, breakout sessions, keynote sessions, and meals together, I felt a sense of unconditional acceptance of who we are and are meant to be…”
“unconditional acceptance of who we are and are meant to be” necessarily entails the freedom to be who they think they are and are meant to be.
It’s code for gay sex and gay marriage. The conference promoted unconditional acceptance of gay sex and gay marriage, according to attendee Chris DeSilva, but he said it in code. As found out in a comment below, the keynote speaker, Fr. Massingale, endorsed the church blessing gay marriages and considering gay love (including sexual expression) a manifestation of God’s incarnate love.
Open your eyes. Get a decoder ring. Then you’ll realize what these conferences are really about and are trying to change about the church. And you’ll realize that it’s already going on in places like LMU, every liberal Catholic university, and every liberal “gay friendly” Catholic parish.
You are right. I missed the last line.
I am not sure that the line is to be interpreted as you interpret it.
I think he meant it on a personal level not about sex or gay marriage.
The next paragraph not printed here does not shed light on it:
The weekend began with a keynote at the Church of St. Paul the Apostle, by Massingale, who affirmed that “we are all loved” and that “we are all sacred.” “This is something that most of us know yet fail to accept,” said de Silva. “He referred to Langston Hughes’ poem ‘Dreams’ and urged us to hold fast to our queer dreams as he continues to do through years of discerning his identity as a Black and gay priest. He also warned us how queer dreams die when we fall victim to negative narrative targeted at the LGBTQIA+ community.” Staff and faculty members from Jesuit institutions who attended the Ignatian Q conference are currently working to build a work group that will meet monthly to stay connected with the goal to build a roadmap to highlight what is happening at campuses across the country.
The Church is not a democracy. It really does not matter what the people want. It matters what God wants. I do not believe that the Church will ever condone gay sexual relations or gay marriage because they are contrary to God’s plan.
His hoodie says “LOVE IS LOVE”.
But no, it isn’t.
There is eros and agape.
Dues Caritas Est Pope Benedict XVI
To quote: Exactly who are we meant to be?
“Ignatian Q”
Isn’t that a redundancy?
There is nothing Ignatian about this conference and its agenda. Saint Ignatius would not have approved. Saint Ignatius, pray for your Society.
Do Jesuits no longer do the Spiritual Exercises? Do they not know the Rules for discernment of spirits? They’re following the spirit of the age, not the Holy Spirit.
Saint Ignatius of Loyola was the patron saint of all spiritual retreats. In 1539 the companions added vows of obedience then vows of poverty, chastity and obedience to the Roman Pontiff. Is this conference living up to their founding principles?
This priest, Fr. Massinagle is great friends with Cardinal Dolan from their days in Milwaukee. Fr. Massingale is a priest of Milwaukee. Cardinal Dolan gave him wide latitude in promoting the gay agenda in Milwaukee in talks around the diocese, writing in the diocesan paper, etc. The same thing is happening in New York.
The LGBTQs need to get this “straight”: if they are intent on changing Catholic teaching, ignoring or reinterpreting the Bible, or if they believe that Catholicism is wrong, then they are not welcome in positions of ministry or influence and certainly not in the priesthood. A lackadaisical attitude from bishops, pastors and administrators will only serve to embolden the likes of these people and these conferences.
Our Lady of Peace Shrine in Santa Clara, CA, has been an island of Catholic orthodoxy. I have not been there in a while, but they had sermons sporadically about the dangers of immoral sexual behaviors and speakers on Natural Family Planning classes at their masses, being properly careful when children were present. There are confessions at every Mass with procures for adults for confession that include all the sexual sins. Their large bookstore has many books encouraging proper moral behavior of all kinds. Some other churches do this too.
This post was mainly in answer to the poster “silence on sex” on Aug. 3, this year, at 1:17 am. I hope it helped answer his question.
Founded at Fordham in the spring of 2014, Ignatian Q is a conference creating community, developing spirituality, and affirming humanity for LGBTQ+ students at Jesuit schools.
I think accusations that they are trying to change the church or want gay sex approved are just part of the bigotry that they have to deal with.
I don’t want to read this article.
bigotry, Do you believe that sex outside of marriage, gay or straight, is sinful?
If not, then you want to change not only Church teaching, but disobey Jesus as well as the Jewish Law, which He fulfilled.
I believe all that the Catholic Church teaches. Sex outside marriage is gravely sinful; mortal sin if done with full consent of the will and full knowledge.
I believe sex that is not open to procreation is mortally sinful even in a marriage.
I have no desire to change any Church teaching.
Respect for laws inscribed in creation and the relations which derive from the nature of things is a principle of wisdom and a foundation for morality. CCC 354
I’ll prove how wrong you are with quotes from the featured speaker, Fr. Bryan Massingale, as quoted in the source linked to below:
https://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/life/2023/05/27/progress-seen-toward-a-changed-view-of-lgbtq-catholics/70256950007/
1. I dream of a church where LGBTQ employees and schoolteachers can teach our children, serve God’s people and have their vocations, sexuality and committed loves affirmed.
2. I dream of a church that enthusiastically celebrates same-sex loves as incarnations of God’s love among us.
Direct quotes from the featured speaker, who is a gay priest and “theologian”.
If you think the accusations made here about the conference and about the gay Catholics who attended it are false and rooted in bigotry, repent of your rush to judgment. I’ve proven with factual statements, direct quotes, that they are trying to change the church and want gay sex approved.
QED
I do not read that as you do.
That’s why I saved the best for last. Here is indisputable proof that Fr. Bryan Massingale is a heretic who wants the church to change the definition of marriage and its teaching on sexual morality to include gay marriage. Proof for your eyes:
Quote: “I dream of a day when two men and two women can stand before our church, proclaim their love and have it blessed in the sacrament of marriage.”
Source: https://outreach.faith/2023/05/i-dream-of-a-catholic-church-that-celebrates-and-embraces-lgbtq-people/
How do you “read” that, Mr. “different read”? There’s no other way to read it than that Fr. Massingale wants gay marriage and gay sex affirmed and blessed by the Church. He is, therefore, a heretic.
QED
Did you read the whole thing?
That quote appears in the fifth-to-last paragraph in Fr. Massingale’s speech; I did read the whole thing. What’s your point in asking?
In case you haven’t read the whole thing, no, Fr. Massingale doesn’t say, “Ha, ha, I was just messin’ wit y’all ’bout dreamin’ that gay marriage will be blessed by the Church. I don’ really believe that. It was a joke, is all. Wanted to see if you were payin’ attention. Of course, I 100% support, believe, defend, and submit to the Church’s infallible, unchangeable dogma about marriage being only between one man and one woman. Y’all didn’ think I was serious, didya?”
That is not the point.
If you are just scoping for gay marriage, you’ve missed a lot.
This person does not look well in this picture and he does not seem well in his thoughts.
That’s because gay is a disorder.
I want you to read everything in that.
Father Bryan Massingale has been problematic for years.
What is wrong with this is what is wrong with Church Militant and New Ways Ministry and LifeSiteNews and Outreach and all the others that want Catholics to listen to them rather than to Tradition, Scripture and the Magisterium. and the Church’s representatives: their pastors, bishops and the Pope.
A priest should not say that and you should not say what you said.
Only Church teaching should be talked about.
If I went to a church meeting and someone said that, I would notify the pastor.
If I went to a conference and someone said that, I would notify the organizers and maybe the bishop.
Whether Fr. Massingale wants gay marriage in the Church is unimportant. The fact that he spoke that at a meeting of young vulnerable Catholics is very important.
Whether he is a heretic cannot be known until his bishop attempts to correct him. It is definitely error.
Error can occur even at legitimately established events.
Rather than accusing him of things he did not say, it is important to reiterate the Church’s teachings. If you know them. If you do not, to learn them.
It’s a direct quote. Fr. Massingale said it. Outreach printed it and attributed it to him. Nobody is accusing Fr. Massingale of saying something he didn’t say. It’s a direct quote from his speech.
direct quote: I do not want to interpret the whole thing for you. If you read it, you will see other things.
I am not defending anything he said.
People need to quote what he said, like you did.
Then don’t interpret and don’t add to it.
There is so much I could say but I think you will see for yourself if you stop worrying about what you worry about.
Either way, we should pray for him and all those who attended the conference.
Being affirmed in error is not good.
I have read an article by a lady who has a girlfriend and she said that she prefers queer spaces where she feels comfortable holding her girlfriend’s hand. And you see this with people where they start to withdraw from anything that challenges them or is uncomfortable.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/black-gay-priest-nyc-challenges-catholicism-rcna16117
this is from 2022- secular source
Many years ago, Fr. Massingale was one of the names that freaked people out in this combox.
Several times now, his name came up and no one reacted.
I thought that people had forgotten or those people have moved on, decided to stop commenting or died.
I did not want to get it started again.
Until Building a Bridge, he and another priest (whose name also came up here with no reaction) were the people who really got people going in the way they do with Fr. James Martin now.
Actually, there was a third, too. but not as bad.
In the Catholic Church, it is taught that marriage is between one man and one woman. It is exclusive and permanent (until the death of one of the spouses.)
It is intended for the good of the spouses and for procreation.
It is a vocation in the Church.
The issue really is not gay sex. it is self-will.
as species to genus. It’s both gay sex and self-will. Gay sex is the particular manifestation of their self-will.
Direct quotes and best for last (same person, I assume),
Thank you for giving quotes and giving sources and giving links.
Check out Catholic theologian David L. Gray’s comments about Fr. Bryan Massingale on his YouTube channel. They are very insightful.
Don’t follow lay people.
“Don’t follow lay people.” By this I gather you mean “Don’t listen to lay people. If I am wrong, please correct me. If that is you meaning, I have to ask, “Why?” Consider this: lay people are much freer to speak their mind without fear of retribution by ecclesiastical authorities. A priest or bishop can be cancelled without any due process for stepping out of line, and such cancellation ends their employment, health insurance etc. In this case, Fr. Massingale is black, so any ecclesiastical criticism of him can be construed as racist. But here, David Gray is also black, and racist charges against him are water off a duck’s back. Without listening to David Gray, I am in no position to judge his credibility. Is he misinformed? ill-informed? illogical? If none of these hold then I either have to agree with him or suspend judgment. But I have to listen to him first. Has a bishop weighed in on Fr. Massingale? That would carry definitive weight (see Church teaching August 3, 2023 at 7:33 pm) unless another bishop was of a different conviction. Again, I would have to listen to each bishop and ask the same three questions of each: Is he misinformed? ill-informed? illogical? If I am not in a position to know the answer to these, I would then have to suspend judgment.
Well then maybe the pope supports Fr. Massingale. Then I would check Fr. Massingale’s statements against the pope’s own teaching, to see if they agree. If not, then I would construe the support as pastoral but not theological. The end result of all this is to determine whether or not to listen to Fr. Massingale on controversial matters, and as a side benefit to judge the accuracy of David Gray’s remarks. If anyone knows of any relevant contributions to the Massingale issues by the hierarchy please let me know, and thanks in advance.
You can listen to lay people. Follow Christ. Follow the Church.
If you know the Faith well, you will spot errors. If you do not, you might fall for errors.
I never found the video on Fr. Massingale. But some of the others that came up on my YouTube gave me great pause, including an organization that I steer clear of.
You steer clear of the Society of Jesus too? Right on.
I do the apostleship of prayer.
I am familiar with Fr John Hardon.
Also, a little familiar with Father Mitch Pacwa and Father Spitzer.
So, don’t follow St. Catherine of Siena, St. Francis for most of his life, any women Saints (since Religious are, technically, lay persons) or Our Lady, the Mother of God? The lay faithful make up most of the Body of Christ. The issue is fidelity to Christ and His Church, not one’s vocation or state of life. Some people wrongly and blindly followed McCarrick, Marcial Maciel, Corapi, Pavone, Fushek and other clergy. Holy Orders alone do not make anyone worth following. There is a dangerous clericalism sometimes at work in the Church.
We are supposed to imitate the Saints especially the Blessed Mother as they follow Christ.
You are correct that some priests should not be followed and that some lay people could help you follow Christ.
There have been very holy lay people and religious.
But they would tell you to follow Christ, the Church and the Pope.
I think the Holy Spirit is the best guide and the Blessed Mother.
There are many bloggers, vloggers, and podcasters and websites which are leading Catholics astray so as a general rule “don’t follow lay people.”
You can read what lay people have to say and might get some profound insight.
I never saw anything amiss in Corapi’s teaching of the Faith. It was his personal behavior that undid him. I don’t think Pavone did much of that. I do not know the others well enough to comment.
If so many in the church are in open rebellion against true Catholic faith and it goes without correction, it even gets celebrated, why should I even bother anymore? Life is hard and discouraging enough. I don’t need a discouraging church added to the list.
Yes life is really hard. We are living in the end times and things are going to get worse in the next few years. Don’t give up for your redemption draws near. Hang in there Life already hard because the best is yet to come.
“…why should I even bother anymore?” Please don’t lose heart. As a single man of 72, I have had to endure lots of this alternative sexuality when I know I cannot jump on the libertine bandwagon and soil my soul. God knows how to make it up to those who strive to bear the cross when others throw it to the ground in a rush to discover themselves. The difference-maker is prayer–any prayer valued by the Church. I might especially add the idea of visiting a monastery or other retreat center as prayer is often most encouraged there. And remember, there are many, many faithful Catholics who are not in open rebellion, but because they are not, they are largely invisible to many. The more you pray the more you will find such people, I am convinced.
Well said, Dan.
That would be a worse rebellion.
don’t let the turkeys get you down.
The best times at Church are Mass and Holy Hours.
If you do a Holy Hour, it is usually just you and Jesus and Jesus is not discouraging and he helps you when life is hard.
I am sorry that you are having a hard life.
Don’t throw away eternal bliss, please.
Do it for Jesus and Mary.
They want you with them forever.
They love you.
The fact is that the only Catholic gays you can trust are the silent ones, the ones you don’t know are gay. The out and proud gays all want to change the church. So any out and proud gay should be excluded; just keep it to yourself if you want to be Catholic.
Lots of people want to change the Church. Just stay the course.
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So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
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For God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work.”–Phillippians 2:12-13
The main problem with Brian Massingayle is he has a chip on each shoulder. One about being black and the other about being gay. When you see the world more through Marxism than the Gospel, which he does, that’s a big problem for a priest and a teacher. He doesn’t have the intellect to make a name for himself that way, so it seems he decided to make a name for himself by being a race and gay agitator in the church. Sort of a wannabe Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
I’m embarrassed that I got a degree from LMU. Place has gone downhill since the 1980s.
Don’t be embarrassed. Everything is an opportunity.
If someone says something, you can say “When I went there, it was …”
embarrassed: Unfortunately a lot schools we all went to get our degrees have gone downhill It’s the woke generation.
18 And Jesus came and said to them, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age’.” Matthew 28:18-20
I often think it would be easier to be a gay Catholic because you wouldn’t want to marry and you aren’t supposed to do priesthood or religious life so your vocation would be “single life dedicated to God”
Then you would need a spiritual director.
I think a q conference that helped people live single lives dedicated to God would be valuable.
“I often think it would be easier to be a gay Catholic…” If this were true then I would expect this insight would figure prominently in gay Catholic literature. I suspect it does not so figure because desire/lust can be present regardless of the sex of the person toward whom the desire/lust is directed. And some have considered religious life to be an ideal haven for homosexuals. However, you raise an excellent point that “a q conference that helped people live single lives dedicated to God would be valuable.” I couldn’t agree more. In fact there is a Church program called Courage that directs toward this very end. It would be instructive to find out how much the Jesuits take up your idea at their conference.
I don’t think they understand it.
They seem to be at the stage of convincing people that they are loved which is important.
I hope they teach them the valuable prayers like the Morning offering, the examen and meditation.
There is really only prayer and work.
Self-examination is important.
When things go wrong or are painful, it is easy to waste a lot of time trying to figure out why. In phases of life where you are too busy to do that, it bothers you less.
There is also a tendency in some to “internalize other people’s crazy.” (Iyanla Vanzandt’s phrase.)
Portraying LGBTQ person’s as lust driven lovers of a good time is really a very bad mischaracterization.
What do his bracelets mean?
bracelets: I just to a good look at this Priests T-Shirt. It mentions Black Lives Matter among other things. They are a Marxist organization. Enough said.
bracelets: Only he knows what those bracelets mean.
I would never take a theology course from Fr. Massingale. I’d never attend one of his speeches. Anyone sports the rainbow, it’s “see ya later.”
Anytime someone is not normative, they have choice on how they deal with it.
Some people use it to their advantage; some people can’t.
I know people who brag and say “There is nothing normal about me.” They see normal as boring sameness.
I think someone who is mad at God saying “Why did you make me whatever…” might have issues of belonging or disappointment; might have been treated badly or are comparing themselves to others or to an ideal self that they cannot realize.