Latino leaders see irony

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 2:32 AM By BETH
Whenever you support a politician with an immoral voting record – a history of supporting abortion and partial birth abortion, sodomy (gay-marriage), etc., what do you expect? His words are lies and deceitful – as Cardinal Wurel stated on Fox, Obama “speaks with forked tongue”. Watch his actions and voting record, not his words. By the way, when is Notre Dame going to revoke their Honorary degree they bestowed on Obama?

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 4:39 AM By Mary
Stay awake people and bishops! Democrat “pro-immigrant” policies are a ticket to their American dream of delivering your excess children to a “reproductive rights” death chamber.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 5:43 AM By Ted
The answer is simple. Obama saw the Hispanic community as votes only, soon to be subject to his real agenda. Lenin called people “useful idiots” in his day. If there is a difference in character or performance, I just don’t see it. But remember, everyone, “fool me once – shame on you, fool me twice – shame on me.” Catholics cannot vote for a man who so blithely betrayed them the first time he ran for office and failed to live up to his campaign rhetoric. The fact is he never meant to, he took a lot of people for suckers. And he operates as W.C. Fields once said, “never give a sucker an even break !”

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 5:50 AM By Sandra
I pray tha my Hispanic brothers and sisters get this message. Your protection, your liberty and your ability to prosper in America will end under Obama.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 6:03 AM By alberta
why aren’t ms. sebelius and joe biden excommunicated????

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 7:32 AM By Life Lady
…and put your power in the voting booth to the best use possible, by voting into that esteemed office a man worthy of that office. In my own opinion that would be Rick Santorum, a Catholic, a family man, a father of seven children, and someone I have grown to respect. I hope everyone takes this article to heart, as whatever has happened to one group can happen to all groups, no matter what their background or values. We must not allow the sitting president have another whack at this country.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 8:03 AM By JLS
I’m guessing the reason behind bishops welcoming Hispanics, documented or otherwise, into this nation is to bolster the Catholic presence in the face of the serious potential upcoming persecution of freedom by the federal govt. The people in top govt positions who are presented as Catholic are not really Catholic but figureheads used to create an illusion, to deceive the faithful.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 8:35 AM By BUD
OBAMA, AND SOME OF HIS CRONIES like BIDEN, PELOSI, AND HHS, kathleen sibelius are all liars to the core with his outrages against “Catholics” just because they were baptized and now use it as a policy tool.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 8:53 AM By Robert Bushlow
So, Obama lied? I’m shocked, shocked to find gambling at Ricks! This administration is spending taxpayer dollars to coerce foreign governments to promote abortion, homosexual unions and other intrinsic evils and using accounting slight of hand to do the same domestically. The American public has been thoroughly duped into believing that he would protect conscience rights and protect the unborn. Free societies cannot sustain themselves without widespread adherence to common moral convictions.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 10:47 AM By Maryanne Leonard
As a Catholic school kid, I grew up with Hispanics, have a Mexican goddaughter, speak Spanish, and have lived with Mexicans for decades. I implored my Hispanic friends – all of them Catholic! – not to vote for Obama. However, the Hispanic community fell for his presentation as a charismatic black messianic figure, ignored his pro-abortion statements, plugged into his call for “change” and failed to demand its definition. Hispanics as a group are wonderfully forgiving, patient and kind-hearted, God bless them, and their loyalty is legendary. Our Hispanic friends may actually benefit from our more impatient and cynical perspectives in pointing out how Obama has betrayed them specifically and failed all of us in general. I don’t think we can count on all Hispanics or all Catholics to abandon the hopes and dreams that Obama’s presidency represented without our being prepared and willing to discuss the many specific ways in which the dream has been proven to be a betrayal of the promise they saw in his presidency. It will be hard for many of them to vote Republican unless we can offer a wonderful, and preferably Catholic, candidate who clearly understands their needs and values and is dedicated to making sure they are included in the plans to make the American Dream available to us all once again.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 10:52 AM By robkphd
It is a shame that the Hispanic community supported Obama by a 2 to 1 margin. I would like to believe that they really do put their faith first, but I suspect they may fall as others have in the past. One need only look at the Democratic strongholds and see Catholic sell-outs (Irish, Italian, Polish, etc.). I fear the Hispanic vote will do the same.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 11:44 AM By Catherine
When the very evil promoting pro-partial birth abortion supporter Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez was invited to speak to the mostly Hispanic people at a Church hall in the Diocese of Orange, California, Loretta used scare tactics to get a Democratic vote. Loretta Sanchez lied and told those present that they would receive the BEST of healthcare and other benefits if they remembered to vote for people like her and Obama so their safety would be ensured. Tragically and scandalously an auxiliary bishop attended this function with an accommodative smile throughout the entire talk. ” The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.” – St. John Chrysostom

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 11:46 AM By Tracy
The reason Hispanics by and large vote for Democrats IS because of their staunch adherence to “tradition”. I believe that this adherence to “tradition” trumps their values and faith. I once read an article about an Indian tribe in Mexico, who despite, having complete distrust and disagreement with a PRI party, admitted to continue voting for them only because it was their “tradition” to do so . I have heard the same logic come from Hispanics who vote for Democrats. Maybe if their Bishops and Priest’ insist that they cannot vote for “pro-abort” candidates, only then might there be a small chance that they will change their vote.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 12:35 PM By Anne T.
Well duh! a lot of Hispanics threw George W. Bush under the bus and called him all kinds of names, but he had more compassion for them and all Americans, including the unborn, in his little finger then President Obama has in his whole body. There was a billboard of George W. Bush put up by someone that said, “Do you miss me yet?” Well, I for one do miss him. Even with some of his mistakes, and being too trusting was one of them, he did not lift the Mexico City policy as Obama has done and put in radical abortion policies. He never sought to take away the conscience clause for medical personnel. He did not refuse to encourage the “Born Alive Act” as Obama did and voted against it. Although, I doubt very much he would have ever encouraged so-called same-sex marriage, he did help those with AIDS, here and in Africa and other countries. He would not have kept us tied to Arab oil but would have seen that we took our own oil out of the ground first which would have produced jobs for our own people. I could go on and on. Although you could see the terror in his eyes when he was told about 911, he went on and finished the story for the little children so others would not panic. Whatever George W. Bush was, he was no snob and no radical pro-abort. While some Hispanics “feed” off their own people by putting in radical abortion policies, George W. Bush did not. “Do you miss him yet?” I should think some of you should and other Americans as well. He was a far better man than this one, although not perfect, and we need to put in a far better man in office the next term.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 12:46 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
In the “Mystical City of God”, Our Blessed Mother told Ven. Mary of Agreda that the highest places in Heaven are reserved for those who died as good Catholics, and the lowest and worse places in HELL are reserved for those who die as bad Catholics! Could that last statement also mean Catholics who do not use the brains God gave them when voting. Yes the politicians such as Sanchez and far too many others will find out in Eternity that they had excommunicated themselves, but the Bishops have a sacred duty to stop the public scandal by publicly excommunicating them. Our Lady’s statements also apply to the Bishops especially the ones who allow pro-abortion speakers at their Congresses such as the REC! Are you listening Archbishop Gomez and Archbishop Chaput? God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 1:23 PM By goodcause
54% of voting Catholics in the US voted for Barack Obama in 2008. If Catholics have serious concerns with Obama, which is understandible, they need only look to their peers in the pews at Sunday Mass. If Obama wins the Catholic vote again in November, he wins the White House. Rember folks, Catholics put him in office! he is using Catholic support to marginalize our religious traditions and patronizing our concersn.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 2:06 PM By Clinton
“But if they (his daughters) make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”-Barack Obama, March 2008. We knew what kind of man Obama was, and many of us Catholics still voted him in and one of our supposed Catholic institutions honored him. Whatever our ethnic background is, we are Catholic first and foremost. Either we believe in Christ and follow His teachings and that of His Church or we succumb to the ways of the world and then express shock and disappointment that the likes of Obama has fooled us. All of us, clergy and layman need to pray and do penance this Lenten season. Let us all serve God, and Him alone.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 2:43 PM By Abeca Christian
Wow could this really be true? That Latino’s put a baby killer in office? I’m part Hispanic, I never voted for this man!

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 4:41 PM By MacDonald
“Punished with a baby.” What a horrible way of seeing a child. I still cannot understand our country, where a man who kills his pregnant wife is guilty of TWO murders, but a doctor who performs an abortion is seen as ‘protecting the right to choose.’

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 6:02 PM By Tracy
Catherine is right! It was held at St. Callistus Catholic Church in Garden Grove. For anyone interested in seeing this for themselves, look up on YouTube “Loretta Sanchez Starts Campaigning at a Prayer Vigil” or for a shorter version “Loretta Sanchez (D-CA) Campaigns And Lies At A Prayer Vigil.”

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 6:21 PM By JLS
Someone just told me that the abortion rate drops some under democrat presidents and rises some under republican presidents, which seems opposite to the political planks.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 7:47 PM By k
JLS, figures don’t lie but liars can figure. Abortion rates have been decreasing since their top rate in the late “70s. There was an increase in the early ’90s then more decline.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 9:02 PM By Anne T.
JLS, concerning your post at 6:21 PM, just who is telling you that and how are they determining it.

Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 11:58 PM By JLS
Anne T., the reason I posted it was to find out if anyone else knows of such a study. The implied question is surprising, but a very logical question, and would be simple for someone to evaluate.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:27 AM By Kenneth M. Fisher
As a person of Hispanic Heritage, I would like very much to believe what senor Aguirre says: “We believe that family and faith are not to be separated”; however, facts of how they voted prove otherwise. We even have an Hispanic gentleman who comes almost every Saturday to pray the Rosary with us at the Anaheim Planned Barenhood Center who admitted to me and others that he was still a Democrat. He actually did not know that the Democrat Platform is Pro-Death! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:26 AM By NAN
JLS – Heresay means nothing. Those who support the ‘Democratic Party of DEATH’ probably started the rumor. The Obama Administration is not allowing the CDC to track and report the number of abortions anymore, even though taxpayers must pay for many of them. Follow Priests for Life and Susan. B. Anthony organization, and LifeSite News for the most accurate info. The USA still averages about 1 MILLION murders of innocent babies each year. In the 1970’s most Americans were outraged with Roe v Wade and were against abortion.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:05 AM By Angelo
Tracy, Your Post of February 20, 2012 11:46 AM. Speaking as a Mexican, you hit the nail on the head. Hispanics both in Mexico and Hispanic citizens in the US need to be educated on how to vote. Its time to break the taboos. Here in the US its practicaly taught as dogma that an Hispanic must vote for a Democrat and never a Republican. Right now the lie being spread around the Hispanic community is that, “Obama has tried very hard to help Hispanics and Immigrants. But he has been constantly blocked by the Republicans.” A blatant lie of course! But one that is believed. Many of my relatives have long been very active in politics, they are convincing others at this time, that we Mexicans need Obama. I look to the Hispanic Bishops to change the way we think when voting.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:10 AM By JLS
I’d be interested in seeing the actual year by year figures. Where would one find them, and how authentic would they be? Anne T., it was posed to me as an argument, and left to me to do the fact finding. I may not have the time to dig into it for a month or so.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:25 AM By Abeca Christian
JLS does it really matter? Come on, it’s just sounds like a game and a dangerous one!

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:33 AM By Anne T.
JLS, if any of these so called studies are done by pro abortion people, you can be sure that they will inflate the figures during a Repbulican administration to make themselves look good. Norma Mc Covery, the Jane Roe, in Roe vs Wade, who is now pro -life told how the pro abortion people had her lie about being raped. She had not been raped as she testified. They used her. Luckily, she did not have an abortion either. I believe she had a daughter from that situation whom she kept. She might have adopted her out, but I do not think if my memory serves me well. I am sure you can find it all on line, though. The pro abortionists will do just about anything to get what they want.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:52 AM By Tracy
Angelo, thank you for your acknowledgement. I have asked individual Hispanics how they could support Obama since he is so staunch in supporting abortion. What is the typical response I hear? “I don’t believe that he REALLY believes in abortion.” WHAT???!!! I have a good friend who converted a couple of Hispanic immigrants away from the Democrat party, but believe me, it only occurred after hours and hours of dialogue and continues only with ongoing continual follow up discussions. These “converts” are treated as crazy at best and traitors at worst. They are under continual assault from their family and friends.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:54 AM By Anne T.
Kenneth Fisher and Angelo, you are right that many hispanics are lied to about a politicians stand on abortion and some just do not know too much about the politicians for whom they vote and believe what they are told. Quite often they are told whom to vote for by other Hispanics and people who are pro abortion themselves. Many do not have computers, for one thing, and cannot find out the voting records of those who run for office. Nevertheless, there are many Hispanics who use or have used abortion facilities who are just downright pro abortion. I know that for a fact personally, and I think all of you know that too.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:49 AM By JLS
So, NAN, what is the fact that the question demands? Is it something that the prolife community has not thought of and so does not know? I’m guessing this, because I never heard it before. In any case the prolife workers best find out fast or they’ll get their rear ends stuffed into a ballot box once again. You cannot win without knowing the facts and supplying the truth.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:22 AM By Anne T.
JLS, it might be impossible to get all the “facts”. Dr. Bernard Nathanson, God rest his soul, who was an abortionists who converted to being prolife and stopped doing abortions, told about all the fixing of figures and lying of the abortion proponents when he was on their side. He looked back on it with regret and shame. One can only try to get all the facts, but some abortion files are private and just not open to the public, so some, I believe, are always missing until the pro abortion people want to use them.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:23 PM By k
JLS, search abortion rates US

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:25 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Anne T., 9:54 AM, How right you are. It makes my Hispanic blood boil to witness so many Hispanics going into the Anaheim Killing Center every Saturday. Some even have Rosaries and Scapulars on their rear view mirrors. I don’t think any of my relatives on my mother’s side stayed with the Demoncrat Party after it became the Party of Death, so I do not accept their silly excuses, and Our Lord and Our Lady of Guadalupe, Patroness of the Un-Born won’t either! I am developing a poster that portrays Our Lady of Guadalupe holding four dead babies in Her arms with the wording “Abortion Kills Her Children” in English and Spanish. I hope and pray that it will be used at most abortion mills. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:55 PM By Bruce
OK, so what? Most of us have similar viewpoints on this subject, and we as a whole are guilty for helping elect Mr. Obama into the White House, especially those who ignored the warnings, had whim of his record and character traits, yet hoped that this “One” would march in saving the world, and voted for him. Besides complaining to each other, what are each and everyone of us individually going to do about it? Who is going to go out into their neighborhoods and convince their catholic and protestant neighbors about the truth? Who is going to go public, stand-up in our neighborhoods, explain the truth on Obama’s record and encourage voting for the anti-Obama conservative candidate? (We have to focus on one, no third party hopeful to split the conservative/catholic vote!) Who of us is going to take their precious time and talk to naive registered voters? Answer: You and me! Talk is cheap, it is backed up by the gold of action. We must be fearless and not let the attacks of racism and hater charges disarm us. We will be judged by God at the end not only for our sinful actions, but also for our lack of soul-saving actions! The future of our nation, millions of future citizens souls/lives, and the salvation of our souls are all at stake.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:54 PM By Angelo
Tracy, so those converts were treated as, “crazy at best and traitors at worst.”? Iv’e been there myself. When I debated my relatives saying we should vote for Reagan, it was said by the so called political pros in my family that I was stupid and did’nt know what I was talking about. When Reagan proved himself, they still led others to believe that he was ruining our lives. My Grandfather at first hated Reagan with a passion, when he seen he was a good President he started liking his ways despite his sons who were still spreading falshoods about him. Tracy, thank you for bringing out the factual truth as to why we Hispanics vote the way we do. You have done a great service by saying it. Here is a fact that has got to change, an Hispanic who leaves the Democratic Party for the Republican is treated like a Catholic who leaves to join a pagan religion. We Hispanics should not be critisized for our lack of right direction in voting, instead an all out compaign to educate us and debunk the Democrat myths is what is needed.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:06 PM By Angelo
Anne T. and Kenneth M. Fisher, We must realize the root of the problem of why Hispanics vote for Democrats. We Hispanics have been programned to believe it to be a grave error to vote for a Republican and that our votes must be cast for Democrats only. Sometimes we do have the right in conscience to vote for the Democrat or better yet not vote at all. When a Republican campaigns with vows to destroy Mexican Immigrants at any cost, which they know will affect Mexican born citizens, then we must avoid them like the plague.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:50 PM By Anne T.
Yes, Kenneth, this is truly the return of human sacrifice that Our Lady sought to end. May she be victorious in ending it once again.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:01 PM By Anne T.
And unless someone thinks I am just picking on the Aztecs and Mayans, some European tribes did some human sacrificing to their gods, too, before they were Christianized, and some of them are certainly involved in the abortion industry now.

Posted Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:05 PM By JLS
k, I don’t have time to do that. When I have time beyond survival operations, that’s when I train my dog. Working on the whistle stop presently, to get him to stop when he’s out there at two hundred yards and just hitting the chukar scent. Shoulda started this training in his childhood, but he’s six now and we’re making progress, surprisingly. Lesson is that my experience with this confirms the idea that teaching kids good things early on in their lives makes for a better functioning teen and adult later on. The fact that at age six this dog is responding to my humble (more like humiliating) training efforts is just shy of a miracle … but proves that an old dog can learn new tricks. k, you just gave me a good idea; next training session I’m gonna pray first … a round of Rosary, I think. Maybe through in a brief prayer to St Hubert, while I’m at it.

Posted Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:25 AM By Betty
JLS, if you have time to sit and write on the computer, you have time and and obligation to research your own statements and questions – to insure accuracy.

Posted Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:03 AM By Tracy
Angelo, thank you for speaking the truth. I hope others are listening, including the good priests and Bishops, who may also be duped by the “traditional” adherence to the Democrats.

Posted Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:13 PM By Bruce
Tracy, Please don’t link the word traditional to democrats in any way, shape, form, or matter. The propensity of traditional catholics are conservative and Heaven forbid do not relate to the democratic (socialist) party! Betty, thank you for your comments to JLS, but they doesn’t just apply to him, many of us are lazy and take others words for it when we shouldn’t as the sources often don’t really know or have a good handle on the facts other than hearsay he said/she said. In this high-tech day and age, and with the ease of investigating and extracting information from thousand of libraries and data bases on the internet with our web browsers so easily, we have no excuse except to make note of everything one reads on the internet isn’t entirely true either. In other words, be careful what you read, check several different sources, not just the first one that pops up on your browser. We must rely on credible sources to get credible information. There are many sources on the internet one might think would be credible, when in reality they are deceiving. No better example can I share on deceiving voters, is when it comes to groups supporting propositions. This article should also not be focused on just hispanics, but every ethnicity and culture in our skidding downhill nation. One thing I’d like to see is really get rid of racism. The press, race related political action committes, and politicians are the bigots continually pushing racism. I don’t care what color or, culture my American brothers and sisters are. It doesn’t have to be pointed out to me in the press or government. Together we stand, divided we fall. Part of the reason our nation became so prosperous and great even with all the differences, was that America was a melting pot. It still is a melting pot and we shouldn’t be ashamed of that at all for our politically-incorrect diversified ethnic pride. Moreso, it doesn’t matter what color we are, we are catholic americans, period.

Posted Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:37 PM By Abeca Christian
I’m walking down the street, the gays see me, but then greet me because they see that I look Hispanic and figure that i may be a democrat and are on their side on redefining marriage. WOW how foolish one can be!

Posted Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:21 PM By Anne T.
Angelo, I suggest you get on line and read about Fred Martinez the Founder of the St. Juan Diego Society. I believe he is a Republican, but if not, he was against President Bill Clinton’s policies on abortion and many other things and wrote a book against him and tells what was going on in his administration.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:23 AM By Kenneth M. Fisher
I was appointed to a very prestigious Academy by a Democrat Congressman, he also made me his personal representative to the California Young Democrats. He was a true American, and placed Country before Party. He sent me, in his own words, to those conventions to fight the Communist take over of the California Democrat Party. He was Congressman Clyde Doyle, Ranking Member of the House Committee on Un-American Activiities. In spite of the fact that I was being promoted as his probable successor, upon his death I left that Party because of what I personally witnessed and in spite of the fact that at that time my whole family were Democrats. So please don’t try to excuse any Catholic no matter what ethnicity for staying in the Party of Death. My beloved Spiritual Father, the late Bishop Austin Vaughn, Aux. of N.Y. also left for similar reasons. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:41 AM By Tracy
Bruce, your knee-jerk reaction is unfounded. My use of the word “tradition” is correct in the context I used it. Please look the work up in a dictionary. Maybe this will make sense to you: Many Protestants accuse us Catholics of following “traditions of men” which is clearly denounced by Jesus in the Gospels. For example, Protestants will say that confessing to a priest is a “tradition of man”. Of course, we know that confession was instituted by Jesus and thus is “God’s tradition”. However, when I say that Hispanics often vote for democrats for no other reason than it is “their tradition” I mean just that. Hispanics voting for Democrats, as I and Angelo have pointed out, is truly a “tradition” of theirs. Yes, it is a “tradition of man”, but a tradition non-the-less. I think most people are intelligent enough to make the distinction.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:43 AM By Anne T.
The book to which I am referring is “The Hidden Axix of Evil by Fred Martinez.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:11 AM By Abeca Christian
My whole family became Republican because of our strong Patriotic background and with telling them the truth about Democrats. Of course when I was in high school, I didn’t understand politics that much, it wasn’t discussed as much in schools by my peers, as in today’s times. I think that pretty much there were more people who were conservative. I do recall a friend telling me that Democrats are for the poor and Republicans are for the Rich. So I said OK I’m a Democrat, but I never voted as such because I still didn’t understand all those politics. I think the Holy Ghost showed me the truth. When people were abusing the welfare system and getting free stuff without having to put in hard work, I got upset and said this can’t be for the poor, the poor are not lazy. So I gave that up and said forget this. So I was never fully a Democrat! Praise God, then I educated the rest of my family and they all became Republicans! Even my cousins who were born here but live in Tijuana, right before voting time, I tell them if they vote for a Democrat, then they can’t visit me anymore because they are baby killers with their advancement of abortion. My cousins now call me and ask me who is more for family values. Yip I am out spoken that way, but too bad it is not making a difference here in wicked California!

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:39 AM By Anne T.
Abeca, I was Republican when I first got out of highschool because of my admiration for President Abraham Lincoln and the party’s strong stand on tariffs which were good for small businesses and the American worker. Nevertheless, later I became a Democrat as most my family members were Democrats or pro-abortion Republicans who often voted for pro-abortion Democrats. That influenced me at the time, even though I leaned pro-life. The mistreatment of Governor Casey, Sr. and Cardinal O’Connor by the Dems and the gradual switch toward an anti-life, anti-traditional family platform in the Democratic Party caused me to become an independent for awhile until I saw the pro-life platform of the Republican Party being endangered, than I switched again. I guess in my heart I have always preferred the party of Lincoln as I said before, the Republican Party was right on slavery and the Republican Party is right on abortion, at least for now. Some of my ancestor, too, were Republicans and helped to bring one state in as slave free, so that also has influenced me. I do realize that that we are fighting the pro-life, pro-traditional family battle on two fronts with pro-abortion Dems and some pro-abortion Pubs. God help us. We are going to need it. “Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. he has loosed the fateful lighning of his terrible swifted sword. Our God is marching on.” (from the Battle Hymn of the Republic.)

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:18 AM By Anne T.
I did get all those lines from the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” mixed up as my memory is not what it used to be, but they are all true, nonetheless. You can read the whole hymn for yourselves on line if you choose to do so. The “terrible swift sword” is the Lord Jesus Christ separating the wheat from the chaff. May we all, in the end, become wheat.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:32 AM By Anne T.
I know, Kenneth Fisher, that one stanza of the hymn says “Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel”, it does not matter in the end, I believe. Although Julia Ward Howe might have been “looking through a glass darkly”, as St. Paul mentioned we often are, as she was a Prostestant, she go the idea — Our Lord crushed the head of the serpent through Our Lady. They both did it. She was the chief co redemptrix in our salvation.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:36 PM By SANDRA
While the Democratic Party is the Party of Death, there still are a minority of moral Democrats (and a minority of immoral Republicans). Please check each candidate based upon his public actions and public voting record prior to VOTING.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:08 PM By Anne T.
Yes, Sandra, and my advice is if there are two equally pro-life candidates, pick the one with the most seniority, as the pro-aborts want to knock off that person first.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:51 PM By k
Tracy, I had to look it up but John 20:23 is the institution by Christ of the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:41 PM By Anne T.
My eyes tricked me, and I misspelled “Axis” in the name of the book by Fred Martinez.

Posted Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:03 PM By Brian J. Woznicki
Our Lady must be very saddened. Birth control does not bring freedom, rather it enslaves women! “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners …”

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 3:00 AM By Angelo
Kenneth M. Fisher, You and I were lucky to have recognized the Democrat lies and errors. Lets thank God for that. But what Tracy pointed out and I agreed with 100% is the ugly fact of how we Hispanics “traditionaly” vote. To merely condemn that Hispanics vote for Democrats, is like saying to a hungry man, have a good day and doing nothing about the fact he is hungry. We are trying to point out the problem as to why Hispanics vote the way they do. We can accomplish nothing if we ignore the root of the problem. I do not have what it takes to go out and campaign this message. I am hoping someone will start a campaign educating Hispanics not to vote for anyone who is pro-evil, Democrat or Republican, and the reasons why we should’nt vote for them. We cannot fix a problem, if we know what the problem is and ignore a solution. Merely condemning the way we Hispanics from ignorance cast our votes, is not going to fix anything.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:34 AM By Anne T.
Angelo, I understand what you are saying. There are some Republican politicians, who many times are pro-abortion, whose advertisements blame just Mexicans for all the undocumented people coming into this country when we know there are people coming in undocumented from just about every country in the world. Nevertheles, many Democrats sign their petitions and legislation too. We do have to control our borders for our own safety, from diseases from illegal plants brought in and from drug lords and other criminals. After all, Mexico and most other countries have strict immigration laws for their own protection, but we do have to do it in a civilized manner. It got worse after 911 because people are scared 911 will happen again.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:41 AM By Anne T.
Terriorists can even come in from Canada, and undocumented people come in from there and from ships, also, on the Pacific and Atlantic.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 12:13 PM By Tracy
Angelo, although I personally am not a member, there are several political conservative hispanic groups which have sprung up recently to address this issue. Maybe, one of them would suit you.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 5:00 PM By JLS
Speaking about “documented” and “undocumented”, let’s stretch the terms into the spiritual realm. What would an “undocumented” Catholic be like vs a “documented” Catholic? Given that it’s God Who grants “documentation, what then about documented and undocumented for the “nation” of Heaven?

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 5:05 PM By Abeca Christian
Glad Anne T that you knew the big difference between the Democrat party and the Republican.

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:52 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Angelo, I can strongly recommend “Hispanics for Life”! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 9:58 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Anne T. Seniority by itself is not a good measure to use! McCain has plenty of seniority but no real fire in the gut! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M, Fisher God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:01 AM By Anne T.
Kenneth, I would agree with you that seniority by itself is not a good measure, but if you notice in my last post I said if the two candidates are equally pro-life. I would also include equally pro-traditional family in that one too. Barbara Boxer, Pelosi and others wanted to knock out Senator Santorum because of his seniority, I believe that is the only reason they wanted to put in Senator Casey as a pro-lifer. I doubt they will let Senator Casey rise any higher in the Party if he remains pro-life. That is their way of doing things to keep their pro-death platform. Just look at what they did to his father. Of couse, some of the Republicans are just as bad but not as many.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:35 AM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Anne T. Casey is not really pro-life. To be truly pro-life, one must reject other legislation that leads to a disrespect for life. Casey has supported many issues that cheapen life, same-sex “marriage” and the welfare state being just some of the issues he is liberal on. We have to stop allowing politicians to be considered pro-life on the cheap. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:29 AM By Angelo AVP
Anne T, Tracy, Kenneth M. Fisher, Immigration control is necessary for any Country, perhaps I’m unfair but being Hispanic, when it comes to my own people I don’t like immigration control. Perhaps just an understandable natural reaction. Tracy, I have long seen the problem you brought up. I have tried to bring it up in the past, but it done no good. We cannot let the real problem be ignored or it will never be fixed. You could never imagine the gratitude I have for you for strongly bringing out this point. Kenneth, I will be looking into “Hispanics for Life”. If you recommend it, then I am confident it is a good thing, as I have long trusted your judgment. (I have a new username as another Angelo is on board.)

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:04 AM By Anne T.
Oh, I see what is going on here now. I read some of LCs columns, and I finally figured it out somewhat, and I had not read that person’s columns for awhile. The person might be wrong about one candidate, though, because he might come your way more later on. Also, the job situation might not be exactly as that person says. I am somewhat of a “Johnny Come Lately” to politics, so sometimes I am a slower learner, to say the least. I am going to shut up now and listen and learn on these websites.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:59 AM By Anne T.
Of course, my post to Angelo was to Angleo AVP. I knew somethings was wrong because the other Angelo who got on board is very different.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:36 PM By Anne T.
Regarding my last post of 10:59 AM, I cannot figure out which of the three Angelos that have been posting lately is which. Also, I was intentionally being vague in my post at 7:04 AM as I thought Kenneth Fisher could figure it out, but my vagueness might not have been such a good idea as I think I have confused the editor and myself in the process.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:50 PM By Tracy
Angelo AVP. Thank you for your kind words and for adding support to what you and I know to be the truth. I strive to be a seeker of the truth not popularity. In this regard,I do feel the need to respond to your statement, “I don’t like immigration control”. Without going into lengthy detail here, I would like to caution you not to trust most of what you hear in the mainstream media regarding this topic. Unfortunately, I’m afraid that much of what you hear from the clergy on this subject is laced with partial truths and emotional rhetoric as well. I suppose this is because they are responding to what they are hearing in the news. Hopefully, I will be able to do this topic more justice if CCD post a story about immigration in the future.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:17 PM By Angelo AVP
Angelo AVP is the former Traditonal Angelo and the former just, Angelo. AVP are the initials of part of my 3rd order Carmelite Name, “Alter Victimae Paschali” Another Paschal Victim. As Our Lady of Fatima asked the Children on May 13, 1917 if they were willing to offer themselves as a sacrifice to God in reparation for sin and for the conversion of poor sinners. When I made this offering in imitation of the Fatima Children, God with lightning speed accepted. So I try to be another Paschal Victim.

Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:56 PM By Angelo AVP
Tracy, I will more than welcome your opinions on immigration. I trust hearing it from a honest person. When I stated that I’m anti- immigration laws it was for a somewhat fair reason. You see, The Hispanics born in the US and those born in Mexico are one and the same people. When the influx of Hispanics immigrated to the US starting in the 80’s. It was a surprise to everyone. Hispanics from the US started marrying Hispanics from Mexico and vice-versa. Now it has become a custom that there are English and Spanish speakers. My wife is from Mexico who came to the US with a B Visa. She fascinated me and still does. Two of the same people are now re-meeting each other, having families and now grandchildren. How can I be anti-immigrant when we as a people are one again. We have no intention of spoiling anyones party, we were never really part of someone elses party, we had our own. This Nation is made up of many races, thats why its called the melting pot. But experience shows that we must all respect one another. And in a sense, each live in his own Tribe. This will not divide us, but rather help us as a Nation united but yet diverse.

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 6:26 PM By Tracy
Angelo AVP, I do not have enough time right now to do this topic justice. However, let me just say that your post has given me more insight into your views. So at this point, let me give you my perspective on what you have posted here. Correct me if you think I am wrong, but maybe one of the differences we Americans, who are not Hispanic, have is that we historically have not gone back and forth from America to our countries of origin. While certainly language, food and other customs remained for a while, allegiance to their country of origin did not. A perfect example of this was the American Revolution. Immigrants from England, who were now loyal to America, fought those from their own country of origin. Their love of freedom was more important to them than genetics. When Saint John N. Neumann, bishop of Philadelphia, became an American citizen in the mid 1800’s, he denounced his allegiance to the King of the Austrian Empire and swore allegiance to America. More recently, my uncles and my father, both of German background fought the Germans in WWII. A neighbor of mine who was a Japanese American fought in Germany and was highly decorated. After returning to the states he was introduced to a German immigrant and they married. She was living in Germany at the same time he was fighting the Germans. She had no problem with the fact that her husband killed Germans as the German Nazis were evil and needed to be stopped. As for an example of Mexican immigrants, I have a friend whose grandfather and grandmother immigrated from Mexico in the 20’s. They had escaped the persecution there. While his grandfather never got a handle on English he was fiercely loyal to America, the land of freedom, and was not happy with those from Mexico who hung on to their loyalty to that country. As a result, my friend does not identify himself as “Hispanic” but “American”.

Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 6:48 PM By Tracy
Angelo AVP: my final comment is this: I definitely can not identify with your statement that “each live in his own Tribe”. While the demographics have changed drastically in southern California starting in the 80’s, when I was a child, my school and parish were made up of many different backgrounds. We all identified ourselves as Americans but would acknowledge that we were of German decent, Italian decent, Mexican decent, Irish decent, Arabic decent, Scottish decent, Polynesian decent, Korean decent, English decent, Polish decent, Japanese decent, Russian decent, Ukrainian decent and Slavic decent. Well those are the ones I can remember. Some of us were a mixture of two or more. We were all from working class families. To me this was normal. This is what I would say was a perfect example of a “melting pot” or as it says on the back of our coins “E Pluribus Unum. All the Masses were in English. (Only three currently remain, the rest are now in Spanish) So you can see from this and what I previously posted, that the tribe mentality is completely foreign to me. I welcome your thoughts.

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:47 AM By Angelo AVP
Tracy, What I meant about each sticking to his own Tribe. Was that we all recognize that we are Americans and be united as such. But also recognize there are different cultures, traditions ect… among us. This diversity must be respected always among all cultures. For example, being Hispanic, in my social background we have things that are not compatable to other cultures. Spanish and English being spoken together at the same time. types of food (some don’t like the delicacy soup made of cow innards), Music (a whole mixture of different spanish styles with styles of english) , certain family values (Keep your eyes off my wife. Don’t you dare speak to my daughter), religion playing a major role in a unique manner (refering to God in all conversations is as normal as “American Pie”). This is evident as we have invited Anglo’s, African-Americans, Philipinos and other cultures to our gatherings and its obvious that they feel like fish out of water. I have been invited to the gatherings of other cultures and I must say I also felt like a fish out of water. We have different cultures but one thing we have in common is that we are all Americans and take great pride in being so. Perhaps what I said about each sticking to his own tribe was the worse description I could have used. I’d like to change that to, a diverse peoples united as one. That is what has always made this Country great, and made this Country a holy envy of others. I hope I cleared up the wrong usage of my words.

Posted Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:09 PM By deanne
So I am going to vote for Santorum, are YOU