As I turned the corner from Broadway to 37th Street, I found a diverse hoard of people congregating toward the middle of the block. It was approaching 10:30 a.m., and the High Mass at midtown Manhattan’s Holy Innocents was about to begin.
The attendees, who consisted of a wide range of ages and ethnic backgrounds, made their way up the stairs, most of them carrying raggedy 1962 missals in hand. Many of the women were wearing floor-length skirts and chapel veils, while others wore form-fitting floral print dresses, flashy heels, one of them donning designer sunglasses and dangling a worn Louis Vuitton bag from her arm. I noticed a number of the younger men were wearing three-piece suits, one wearing a backpack with images from an anime show I couldn’t identify, and several older men wearing flamboyant button-down shirts, bracelets and numerous large rings.
I’ve attended Church of the Holy Innocents, New York City’s main hub for Tridentine Latin Mass enthusiasts, on and off since my undergrad days. Many, including Pope Francis himself, have expressed concerns that parishes that celebrate the Latin Mass tend to attract reactionaries who are opposed to progress and give rise to insular communities.
As much as this is often the case, and I applaud Francis for taking this step, my experience has shown me that there are other, more nuanced reasons people are drawn to the Tridentine Latin Mass. Yes, many are drawn to it for ideological reasons. But the Latin Mass is also a haven for those who feel misunderstood or outcasted for their unconventional personalities and aesthetic sensibilities.
“There’s something to the idea that personality typing impacts the way one chooses to worship,” says Catholic psychologist Ellie Rose. She points to the correlation between the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and the four temperaments [choleric, melancholic, sanguine, phlegmatic], which “get a fair bit of attention in the Catholic world.”
“When considering the Traditional Latin Mass,” she continues, “I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find more introverts there for one thing, as the disposition is geared towards interiority and silent prayer. … Whereas the ordinary form of the Mass seems to emphasize the communal aspect of worship much more. I’d be willing to bet that there are more ‘N’ types (Intuitives vs. the ‘S’ type of Sensor) [at Latin Mass] simply because those with a dominant intuitive function are drawn to the abstract. They tend to be more comfortable with mystery and can tolerate the ineffable to a greater degree than Sensors who tend to excel at very practical here and now thinking.”
Among the many neurodivergent people I know who are drawn to the Latin Mass are people who are on the autism spectrum. “Autistics tend to like regularity and order; they also tend to easily get sensory overload,” said Legionaries of Christ Fr. Matthew Schneider, who writes frequently about his own experience on the spectrum.
“As such, a Mass that is predictable in that it follows the rubrics closely and one without loud music is generally preferred,” he said. “I personally find this often in ordinary form Mass celebrated strictly according to the rubrics without loud music or other distractions. But depending on the person and the parishes around them, some autistic people better find this in extraordinary form.”
“When considering the Traditional Latin Mass, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find more introverts there for one thing, as the disposition is geared towards interiority and silent prayer.”
— Ellie Rose
Francesca Dante, a Catholic who has Asperger syndrome, says she’s drawn to the Latin Mass due to the “routine, ritual, limited variation, little requirement to participate outwardly and possibly because it may be less crowded.”
“There is so much more richness to the words [in Latin]. The parts that hit me linguistically, in a way that no translation ever has, including the juxtaposition of the domine non sum dignus and the dignum et justum est — just wow! The difference between the worthy sacrifice and the unworthiness of humanity to receive salvation through it pivots on that one word in its two different uses.”
Dante values the sense of structure in the Latin Mass, which she needs “in all things, especially worship.” She also expressed that the unpredictability of the Mass responses in the ordinary form “dilutes my sense of powerlessness at the sacrifice of Christ.” She also appreciates the silence built into the Latin Mass, which she needs “in order to still my mind.”
“The TLM is unlike anything else on earth: no pop-inspired noise to interrupt my thoughts, incense, ceremony and a language that reminds me in every single word that is spoken that I am not in any ordinary place, but drawing into the presence of Christ and his sacrifice.”
Bianca Marie-Erszebet Martin, a mother who also identifies herself on the autism spectrum, says that in her general experience, the ordinary form “is designed to need specific participation from the people … and the music is often big and loud in ways that are like brick on sandpaper for me … which is just too much for my brain.
“At the Latin Mass,” she continued, “I can choose my level of ‘active participation’ based on my tolerance level and how needy my toddler is.” She appreciates that there aren’t multiple elements vying for her attention.
The aesthetic elements of the Latin-rite Mass, which tend to be less present in most ordinary form masses, are another draw for many, especially those who find themselves caught between cultural and generational divides.
Dasha Nekrasova and Anna Khachiyan, hosts of the popular Red Scare podcast, attended a Latin Mass for the first time in New York City with Mecha, who is a leader in the “leftcath” movement (formerly the Tradinista! movement), which advocates for Catholic socialism.* In their subsequent podcast discussion, Dasha, a Belarusian-born actress, expressed that the Latin Mass was starkly different from the “Americanized boomer capitalist Catholicism” she encountered when she and her family first immigrated to the U.S.
They went on to discuss how a growing number of millennials are disillusioned with the perceived lack of aesthetic sensibility of those who came before them. Mecha claimed that in America in the 1970s, the standards of liturgical music and content of homilies started to change, which to him came off as “pandering” and “really affected.”
“At Latin Mass,” he continued, “there’s a sense that what’s going on inside the church is different from what’s going on outside … something important is going on that’s set apart and dedicated to God.”
The aesthetic elements of the Latin-rite Mass, which tend to be less present in most ordinary form masses, are another draw for many, especially those who find themselves caught between cultural and generational divides.
Much of the generational, cultural and aesthetic sensibilities implicated in the differences between the Latin-rite Mass and ordinary form echo the concerns expressed by the Decadent writers toward the end of the 19th century. Catholics like Joris-Karl Huysmans, Charles Baudelaire and Oscar Wilde were drawn to the beauty and pageantry of Catholicism as the cultures in the United Kingdom and France were rapidly secularizing.
Jean Des Esseintes, the protagonist of Huysmans’ famous A Rebours, is “plagued by the ever-present ‘sickness of the century’ that afflicted so many of his contemporaries: disillusionment, rootlessness, crippling feelings of banality and a deep-seated sense that they had been born into ‘a world which seemed not to need them,’ ” says psychiatrist Mattias Strand.
The Decadent writers’ “obsession with medieval Catholic symbolism” was dismissed as “neurotic” or “hysterical” in their increasingly secular context. But within a Catholic context, writes Ellis Hanson in his book Decadence and Catholicism, Huysmans found that these sensibilities could be celebrated as a recognition of the inherent “correspondences” between mundane objects and higher “ideals.”
Wilde references Au Rebours in The Picture of Dorian Gray, calling it “the yellow book” that sparked Dorian’s fascination with Catholic ritual. Wilde’s own fascination with Catholicism during his Oxford days and eventual deathbed conversion are frequently juxtaposed with his campy public persona and homosexuality. But I would dare to assert that both of these countercultural sensibilities derive from a similar “queer” impulse.
There are surely many ministries in place today for same-sex attracted Catholics like Courage International and Eden Invitation, which focus on growth in chastity, and New Ways Ministry and DignityUSA, which focus on revising church doctrine on sexuality. But many Catholics who experience their queerness more as a spiritual or aesthetic sensibility don’t find their experiences implicated in the construal of gayness as either an identity category or a moral condition. This reflects the concerns of the many self-proclaimed “liturgical queers” or “liturgiqueens” — one of whom I spoke to, Albertus Jung, told me he “only attends the TLM.”
Grant Cook, co-host of the Contra Gentiles podcast, says that “as a gay person who doesn’t necessarily feel like I fit into a strict binary between totally masculine or completely feminine, I feel like Latin Mass gives me the opportunity to forego all of the social politics involved with more contemporary services. The fact that Latin Mass is structured, so reverently and pointed, so wholly towards God, means that I can remove the things I struggle with in my sexuality and gender from the equation for just a minute and experience God in a way that I haven’t elsewhere. It’s not about me.”
In addition to attracting queer people, the Latin Mass can serve as a safe haven for those whose characteristics or sensibilities are more generally out of the ordinary. Sarah Sparks, a gay Catholic who has written about how the Latin Mass helps her as someone who is deaf, told me that she is “accustomed to people being perplexed by me, partly because of my sexual orientation considered alongside other aspects of my life. One of the gifts that has come from my sexual orientation and other aspects of difference in my life is that I don’t worry much about what other people think of me.”
Parishes that celebrate the Latin Mass can indeed attract people with reactionary ideologies. The restrictions Francis put into place in the recent motu propio will hopefully curb this tendency.
But I would caution detractors of the Latin Mass to take a step back and look at the other reasons people are drawn to this particular liturgy. Those who feel outcasted or alienated from parishes that only celebrate the ordinary form, including myself, deserve to have their sensibilities and experiences taken into account. As someone with neurodivergent tendencies whose experience overlaps with those quoted in this article, I can only hope that the recurring back and forth in the liturgical wars will be a provocation to all parishes to work on creating more inclusive liturgical and social environments.
The above comes from a Dec. 9 posting by Stephen Adubato in the National Catholic Reporter.
The TLM’s days are numbered.
Dear Numb, what do you think that number is?
I’m willing to bet the TLM has more days left than you do.
And, are you happy if your TLM number of days is small? If so, why? Why not, live and let live?
No one forces you to attend the TLM or any Mass for that matter.
At St Ann’s Manchester England Fr OConner said the first Mass in English ; so I joined the choir and we sang the Masses in Latin. All the greats wrote Masses for the Church Bach Beethoven Palestrina Gregorian chant . Music ?
That clericalist, outdated form of Mass needs to be shelved. The laity should do more than watch the priest perform his ritual.
How is the extraordinary form more clericalist than the ordinary form, where the priest faces the people and often acts as if he is acting out the Last Supper, and even greets people and chats like an emcee or TV host?
We likely agree that clericalism is a problem, but it comes in all forms of the Mass.
What do you think about “shelving” the LGBT form of the Mass and having all Catholics attend Mass of either legitimate form, where all are welcome?
Unlike the segregationists under Cardinal Cupich:
https://www.aglochicago.org/
The laity can sing, pray, kneel, stand, sit, genuflect, love God, praise and adore him vocally or quietly, hear the word, receive Jesus’ body and blood at Mass. The priest is still offering the holy sacrifice for the laity in the form of the Mass of either John XXIII or Paul VI regardless of any overt or quiet lay participation. “Without priests there is no Eucharist, and without the Eucharist there is no Catholic Church.” The Catholic church has around 23 rites, ways of celebrating the Eucharist. The TLM will never lose its appeal regardless of current efforts of suppression. Choose the one you like and allow others to choose theirs.
The TLM will be around long after you are gone
I don’t think this misguided, deceitful, hype-laden article, from the extremely dishonest, fraudulent, Catholic-dissident, liberal-leftist publication, the “National Catholic Reporter,” belongs on a Catholic website, along with a photo of a San Jose Portuguese Catholic church! The “National Catholic Reporter” famously hates orthodoxy, and hates the Tridentine Latin Mass! They have won big awards from corrupt “LGBT”organizations! They favor married, gay, and women “priests,” birth control, and abortion, and are against Catholic teaching. There have been a great many highly-respected advocates of the ancient, beautiful, 1500+-years-old Latin Tridentine Mass, which traces its roots all the way back to the first Mass, of Christ at the Last Supper. People of all races and all nationalities, and of all types– rich and poor– have attended various types of Catholic Masses, throughout the ages, seeking God. The name of “Catholic” on this fraudulent publication, “National Catholic Reporter,” has been requested to be removed, by several Catholic prelates.
stringing five or more adjectives in a row. a bevy of exclamation points! overall, a semi-hysterical tone. welcome back the undisguisable LINDA MARIA!!!
It is very childish, very boorish– exhibiting very Bad Manners!– to criticize others’ writing or speaking styles, BIOYA! And don’t criticize any of your priests at church, or school teachers’ or college professors’ writing or speaking styles, either– even if some may be eccentric, or non-English speakers from foreign countries! Such behavior is just terrible! Also, if you are a boy or man, you may not like or understand women’s writing and speaking styles– until you get a little older. Women tend to be more emotionally expressive. Maybe you have a problem with women. Adults have Good Manners and respect others’ speaking and writing styles. Learn to behave well, and practice the Catholic Faith well too, if you are Catholic.
Anonymous—if it were true that the priest celebrating TLM were merely “performing his ritual”, your observation might have validity. It doesn’t, because you evidence a complete misunderstanding of what the Mass IS—in whatever rite it is celebrated, including the Novus Ordo. The priest, for himself and together with the faithful present, taps into the inexhaustible graces of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary by offering to His Father bread and wine which becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. Just as Christ promised. It is not a “ritual”—akin to some magic show—which the priest accomplishes.
“Clericalist”? Of course, and in every rite: the Mass must be celebrated (not “performed”) by a priest to be valid.
You could use a lot more catachesis, I submit.
Yes! And some people forget, that laymen are not trained and ordained to offer the holy Mass or perform the Sacraments, in any form. We are very blessed to have the priest, our “alter Christus,” his life dedicated to God, with many years of seminary training, to give us the Holy Mass and Sacraments. Many years ago, when I was young, the Holy Mass was just in one form– the great and revered Tridentine Latin Mass– and everyone, even non-Catholics, looked up to the priests. The celibate priests were “married to God,” and many wore gold wedding bands, too. When I was young, almost every boy in Catholic school considered growing up to becone a priest, someday. Seminaries were always quite full! Many Catholic boys also went to minor seminary, in high school. The holy priesthood was highly respected!
Many boys went to minor seminary….and became abusers.
No, YFC. Many Catholic boys who attended both Minor and Major seminaries, even became great big prelates and popes! Perhaps you yourself at one time, considered the priesthood. Only a few clerics have turned out to be criminals, and were clerical child sex abusers. I bet the priests in your parish church were normal.
The congregation doesn’t have to be there in the TLM, so it’s just the priest doing his thing.
And that can be said of the NO as well
just the priest– the Mass is holy, and Christ is truly present upon the altar, at each Mass. All priests daily say Mass. And the priest always daily prays for all in his care (all parishioners) at each Mass, as well as the Pope and his local bishop. When great monasteries arose, historically, with many monks who were priests, each one had to say his daily Mass. The tradition then began, lasting throughout the centuries, of each priest saying his daily Low Mass at a side altar in a large monastic church, a big church, or a cathedral. Both the 1917 and 1983 (revised) Codes of Canon Law require at least one server, or one other person, to attend each Mass. This is partly due to the need for the recitation of Mass responses, which are all plural– such as “Dominus vobiscum” (“The Lord be with you”). However, there are still cases today, of the “Missa Privata,” or “Private Mass.” A priest may also offer a Private Mass for a special intention, requested by someone with perhaps an urgent need. Also, a priest who, for any reason, may offer a Mass alone, may also take Communion to the sick and to those in need.
just the priest– actually, since Vatican II, it has been more strongly stressed that a priest is not to say Mass alone, “Missa sine populo”– without congregants present– unless there is a good reason. The community nature of the Eucharist has been more stressed.
I say, and I do so with all due respect, people: what a hilarious article. So (according to this writer) the Extraordinary Form attracts folks with “neurodivergent tendencies” including queers (liturgical-queers to boot), deaf people, reactionaries, and ideologues. H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S. But the the writer’s final point–that parishes move towards a “more inclusive liturgical and social environment”–prompts me to repeat what I have been hoping that the the former “Ecclesia Dei” communities (like the beloved FSSP and Institute of Christ the King) should do in the face of “Traditionis custodes”: that is, that they generously yield to the Holy Father, let go of their attachment to the TLM, and show us how the Ordinary Form should be offered. Offer it reverently, ad orientem, in Latin, with Gregorian chants, incense, bells, the lot. The future is in the Ordinary Form reverently offered. So, to people like Wach, Komorowski, Zabaleta, de Blignières, and the rest—if you’re reading this—obey the Holy Father. Do not separate yourselves from Peter. Be humble and obedient, and show the rest of the Church the possibilities in the Ordinary Form.
The Holy Tridentine Latin Mass is beautiful because it is authentic, going back historically in time, all the way to the first Mass of Christ and the holy Apostles, codified by Pope St. Gregory the Great (reign– 590-604 A.D.). Yes, it is lovely to celebrate it with a beautiful, sung High Mass, to glorify God. However, the Low Mass is equally beautiful. This is because the Latin Tridentine Mass text stands on its own, as a true, authentic holy Mass, with the exact intention of the true Sacrifice on Calvary, for the redemption of our souls. Every word, every phrase, is exact, and theologically correct and perfect. Our current pope does not favor this beautiful, ancient, perfectly excellent Mass, and hates Catholic Tradition, a beautiful and valuable part of our Faith and Magisterium. Pope Francis loves Modernism, it is his favorite style. So he then orders the Tridentine Mass to be abolished, for his Modernistic prejudices– and for his view that it will bring “unity” to the Catholic Church. That is his view, not shared by many. But that does not mean that the ancient Tridentine Latin Mass text is suddenly not equal and worthy to all other Mass texts, since the codification of our Mass, by Pope St. Gregory the Great. Pope Benedict XVI emeritus is still alive– and has a different view of this Mass than the current Pope. And the pope who succeeds Pope Francis will have yet another view. Yes, everyone will accept whatever our leader desires, and will be forced to cooperate. But the objective truth remains– that both the Tridentine and Novus Ordo forms of the Mass are perfectly legitimate.
Why does this website allow such sinful posts. Whoever runs this should pray over the part they are playing in bearing false witness and spreading it.
unobetter, looks like jon must be upsetting you…
and kept striking his head with a reed and spitting upon him. They knelt before him in homage. mark 15:19
jon The possibilities of the Ordinary Form have been made quite evident for past 50 years and results have found wanting. We will hold onto the TLM even if we have to go underground.
bohemond is wrong. None of the legitimate sacraments of the Church (with the exception of the Masses offered by the beloved SSPX), including and especially the Ordinary Form is found wanting. All of the legitimate sacraments of the Church (that excludes the Masses offered by the beloved SSPX) are efficacious in transmitting God’s graces and in sanctifying the soul.
jon denies the liturgical abuses that many here on this site have witnessed that have occurred since implementation of the Novus Ordo. Perhaps jon those abuses have lead to 70 percent of Catholics not believing in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.
I can tell you most assuredly, bohemond, that the patient Catholics like me who do not like “liturgical abuses” yet who go to the Mass because it is valid and licit are perhaps on a safer path to salvation than those who knowingly attend the unlawful Masses of the beloved SSPX. Ponder that.
Seems to me that the NO either begins to be celebrated reverently or IT is on the way out. In any case, that’s an odd piece that the CCD runs today.
“The fact that Latin Mass is structured, so reverently and pointed, so wholly towards God, means that I can remove the things I struggle with in my sexuality and gender from the equation for just a minute and experience God in a way that I haven’t elsewhere. It’s not about me.” ”
I have never been to a TLM but at the very least have listened to those who have. Sarah Sparks has given a very powerful witness to the benefit the TLM is to her and is the kind of witness that ought to raise the ears of anyone concerned with the “smell of the sheep.” She is right: it’s not about her, and it’s not about the priest either. She understands the Mass better than most.
This is an extremely important article. I hope Pope Francis, every bishop and every priest reads it.
I would like to meet every one of these Catholics and hear more from them.
I am glad that they included gay, non-binary, even a socialist who attends the Latin Mass.
Those are just teh priests.
I may not agree with the entire article in saying the TLM attracts reactionaries however, having attended the TLM in many states one thing that is true it I have seen a diverse congregation yes including gays, Asian, African American, Latino, people who are may I say different and many many young families. You see the TLM attracts people who want worship God in the most reverent way possible, its not just about Latin but the music, vestments, kneeling, silence, it is God centered not man centered like the Novus Ordo, it is as simple as that. Smart people don’t wish to attend a service with giant puppets, dancing girls in leotards waving streamers, hand holding, kiss of peace, drums, guitars, banjos, rock, mariachi, folk music, felt banners, communion in the hand while standing, improper attire, altar girls, lay lectors, men and women handing out communion as if it were cookies, priests trying to be your friend instead of leading you in worshiping Christ. 50 years later and still the man made Novus Ordo is still trying to prove its merit which will never happen no matter how Cupich or Francis try to destroy what Jesus Christ instituted.
Why the need to lie about Mass?
Point out the Lie
giant puppets, dancing girls in leotards waving streamers, handing out communion as if it were cookies, Mixing truth with lies is a hallmark of the devil.
Nothing RA has stated is false all of these abuses have and are still happening
I don’t think you should risk judging the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary.
These are proven facts of Liturgical abuse. You prove me otherwise
I dont think you should be denying the abuses that are still going on.. if you deny it you approve the abuses
Most of the things on your list are not liturgical abuse.
You point out where I’m lying, because you cannot.
Your lies are in the category of distortions. You always bring up “giant puppets” and “dancing girls in leotards” but those are almost never present at Novus Ordo parish Masses. Maybe at the dreadful Religious Education Congress, yes, but not in parishes.
I already did. I say this charitably. Your faith is too small to see the truth of the Mass. (Everyone’s faith can grow.)
You are not trying to root out your pride. (We all have it.)
You are weak in faith.
Let me be honest. If you were really praying, you wouldn’t even notice dancing girls (which there are none) or giant puppets (again, they are not at Mass) but if you did you would either praise God or thank God or ask pardon for them or to beg help for the people who did that. Because that is that is why you are at Mass in the first place..
Pray to the Lord to increase your faith and your humility and your honesty. Pray for me, too, if you would be so charitable. Peace in Christ.
I pray that your eyes open to the constant liturgical abuses, that need to be ripped out of the mass once and for all
Still trying to prove itself? The vast vast majority of American Catholics who attend mass go to an OF mass. Around the world, the numbers favor the OF even more. It has proven itself. It has “made saints”. It brings Christ into the lives of hundreds of millions every Sunday. I’d say that’s pretty good proof.
Proven Mass– Whom are you kidding? All Catholics, clergy and laymen, are always forced to do exactly as the Vatican says– no choice. However– regardless of forced obedience to the Vatican– many Mass-goers today, are also not sincere, and many are non-believers, like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Many do not believe in the Real Presence of Christ, in Holy Communion. Go ask God, which Mass He “prefers.” That would indeed give you the only “proof” of “which Mass is best.” God probably doesn’t care, only that we love and obey Him, and sincerely follow the holy teachings of His Son, Jesus Christ.
There is one other being that hates and fears the Traditional Latin Mass besides Pope Francis, this being hates Latin and fears it you put two and two together. So churches that offer the TLM are packed with young families standing room only, the F.S.S.P. Institute of Christ the King and yes the S.S.P.X. are overflowing with young men wanting to become priests, one would think in a sane world this would be wonderful and encouraged yet Francis and his bishops want to destroy it why? As Dr. Taylor Marshall said yesterday we will not accept scraps from the table a bit of Latin here and a TLM 50 miles away once a month which nobody can even get to. Its all done on purpose and it is diabolical and Our Lord and Our Lady will not let it happen.
Romulus Augustus writes: “It’s all done on purpose and it is diabolical.” Rather, using this beautiful Mass in order to divide the Church is diabolical.
Vatican II happened and mandated a reform of the TLM. Get over it.
No we wont get over it.
Don’t let internet people lead you astray.
This is Martin Luther level error.
Oldest trick in the Book:
Now the snake was the most cunning* of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He asked the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden’?
The woman answered the snake: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden;
it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, ‘You shall not eat it or even touch it, or else you will die.’”
But the snake said to the woman: “You certainly will not die!
God knows well that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.”
The woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and the tree was desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.
Genesis 3:1-7
Yes! The Devil has always hated the old Latin Mass! So funny– and all true! The Devil is the old archenemy of Christ! So funny, and true! I used to hear that as a child, long ago!
Of course he hates Mass, any Mass. Not just the Latin Mass. Think about it.
This comment is grievously disrespectful towards the Holy Father.
No, Anonymous. Haven’t you heard the old saying, “the Devil hates Latin– and hates the Latin Mass.” The Devil is the archenemy of Christ. It is also said, that the Devil flees from Latin, from the Mass, from Holy Water, from the Rosary– and from all sacred things. We have many powerful weapons in our Church against Satan.
Bait and switch.
Ignores the sins she was rebuked on. Goes into uber-faithful mode.
Every. Time.
Yes very true, the devil has always feared Latin, the rosary, holy water and traditional prayers in Latin the new prayers for the Novus Ordo to tackle demonic possession do not work because they are in English or other vulgar languages only Latin works.
Haec verba a Romulo Augusto ridicula et falsa sunt.
No Jon it’s not false and ridiculous it’s called the truth
Diabolus timet veritatem quacumque lingua dicitur. Ergo verba Romuli Augusti falsa sunt.
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