Monsignor Clement Connolly, pastor of Holy Family parish in South Pasadena, gave a 19-minute sermon on Sunday, March 21 at 9:30 a.m. Mass about the recent Vatican statement refusing to approve blessings for same-sex marriages:
“The language of the document is harsh, judgmental, and somewhat draconian….
“This document reinvigorates a past reference to say, persons who belong to the LGBTQ+ community are objectively disordered. Who among us would believe that God made a mistake? In the act of creation somehow God must have made a mistake. We have somebody who is objectively disordered. Don’t we believe that each person is a precious child of God?
“Because I’m heterosexual, attraction to a man is unnatural. But to a homosexual person it’s natural. Who am I to stand in judgement because of my orientation?…”
The above YouTube video posted on the parish website, was sent on March 23 by a California Catholic reader.
From a March 23 story on LifeSiteNews:
Paulist Father Gilbert Martinez, pastor of The Church of St. Paul the Apostle in Los Angeles, said in his Sunday homily that it was “very, very sad” that the Vatican, in his words, told “lesbian people” that the Church “could not bless their weddings, their marriages.”
He said that love justifies whatever kind of sexual relationship someone may be in. He did not say if this applies to members of the North American Man/Boy Love Association who work to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors in the name of love.
“What we try to do is to love everyone,” Fr. Martinez said. “We are struggling with that as well. But I think at the heart of all this — and I think that what the Scriptures tell us today, those images that you can really hold in your heart — that once you give love away, it becomes really love, whatever relationship you’re in.”
Its appropriately judgmental, I suggest this so called priest leave the Church and run off to one of the protestant sects which celebrates sodomy
Dear Father, The final Judge is God we know this, you are supposed to be helping pasture these lost sheep to the narrow path that is not always easy, not send them on the wide road toward hell. But maybe you don’t know this, having never had to tell a child “no” when they want something that is not good for them, or that will harm them.
FYI: Parenting isn’t always easy. Your kids will hate you and your decisions sometimes. That is part of good parenting.
I have been hearing things second hand and once firsthand from this priest for years. He seems to subscribe to moral relativism and from what I have heard, considers all religions as equal. Therefore, the Gospel and revelation of Jesus Christ doesn’t stand out much. My personal experience of seeing him preach and officiate is that he is arrogant and haughty, although he has been gifted with an eloquent preaching style.
It’s not the Vatican or the Pope they should take issue with. It’s Jesus Christ and His teachings, the teachings of His Church (since her beginning).
Judas Iscariot disagreed with Jesus on some important things as well.
“We try to love everyone.” Of course. But, love does not mean we try to have sex with everyone. Does “Father” think that love necessarily means a sexual relationship?
Pray for the conversion of these priests.
Will those of you in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles continue to subsidize this promotion of immorality with your monetary offerings?
As our Lord HImself says (Luke 9:26): “Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when He comes in His glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.”
Well, love and concern for homosexual persons is not mutually exclusive of wishing for their salvation. This priests contradicts himself on a couple of occasions, misrepresents the facts of doctrine a lot and gives accurate statements which counters the wrong stuff and restores some credibility to his listeners. But his critical thinking ability is really sad. A college kid could take his homily apart.
That these folks suffer terribly is not the question. How we take care of them is. Fr. really blew it. If limbo, as he says, never was doctrine and was harmful, why then leave doctrine aside in this case and expect it not to be harmful?
Tons of false premises, contradictions and straw men in that homily. If only they’d realize that folks are thirsting so deeply for truth. They’d have a lot more folks coming to their masses.
“Tons of false premises, contradictions and straw men”
Exactly. It’s sophistry, pure and simple.
So glad these men aren’t my pastor. We get enough confusion from the world, we don’t need it from our church. Poor Jesus will not be silent in the Tabernacle much longer. Akita apparitions get truer everyday. These poor priests are more interested in acceptance from people, than from Christ. Guess they forgot one of the corporal works of mercy is to “admonish the sinner”. They should be able to admonish them in a loving way.
These aren’t marriages, so they can’t be blessed. People are lost and confused. How have they missed all of Christ’s and even St Paul’s words saying mass everyday. We are the Church of saints defending Christ’s words, not dismissing sin like it’s no big deal.
Really these priests are saying I want these people to love ME. Heaven forbid we ruffle any feathers. Warning: Sodom burned from the fire of heaven.
Jesus just said in Sunday’s gospel to the woman caught in adultery to go and SIN NO MORE, not “Hey I love you, you need to feel love, or pay your bills, so do whatever you want sexually with whoever you want. You can go back to sodomy or adultery and your sexual lifestyle, because I love you.”
Thank you Lord for your faithful priests on this day of the annunciation. May we all say “yes” to Jesus, especially his confused priests.
These priests are snakes.
And Abp. Gomez? What will he do?
Nothing. One of Gomez’s first acts in L.A. was a big public Mass specifically for Hispanic politicians–who were 100% pro-abortion. Gomez has been confronted with copious information by Joseph Sciambra, about the celebrity gay priests in L.A., and the promotion of sodomy at the LA-REC. Gomez nodded, without saying a word. More recently, Gomez runs away, behind a wall of goons.
Or Bp. David O’Connell? It seems HFC falls in his pastoral region, and under Bp. Edward Clark is St. Paul the Apostle.
I’m not holding my breath, especially now that I remember O’Connell’s previous statements about there being different forms of family.
The ‘homo-heresy’, as it’s been dubbed, is all the rage now, and it can no longer be taken for granted that what the local ordinary recognizes as a Catholic parish is actually Catholic. Case in point: According to Abp. Gomez, Holy Family Church is truly Catholic, yet the place _openly promotes sodomy_, whereas the SSPX’s Our Lady of the Angels in nearby Arcadia is not recognized by the archdiocese yet strictly promotes natural marriage as the Catholic Church has done for millennia. (Is Abp. Gomez even Catholic anymore?)
Yes, in this case the beloved SSPX is more Catholic than these “Catholic” churches. The SSPX is not in schism. These renegade parishes are.
They are not in formal schism.
Exactly. That is the real issue: Holy Family Church is not merely dissident, or different. That parish is _schismatic_ — and with diocesan approval!
So what’s a Catholic supposed to think of Abp. Gomez and Bp. O’Connell?
At what point does a Catholic say, “Enough. I can no longer say in good conscience that my bishop is Catholic”?
Schismatic means that you are not joined with the Pope or the diocese. So Holy Family Church are not schismatic. They are a parish of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. The Pastor Emeritus (no longer pastor) is not in schism because he said that the document stands. He is not rejecting the document. He offers a reflection on it which I do not agree with but it does not make him schismatic.
Did you watch the homily?
Anonymous 1:03 says, “Schismatic means that you are not joined with the Pope or the diocese.”
Diocese?
Well, here’s what the CIC says: “schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
Now, how can Holy Family Church be in communion with the members of the Church if it rejects the natural law? By rejecting the natural law, the parish is rejecting a subset of the beliefs necessary for ecclesial communion.
So, definitely, two words describe HFM perfectly — heretical & schismatic.
(I’ll happily retract this if, to my shock, the monsignor comes out and says homosexual acts are always and totally evil and, therefore, always and totally incapable of any blessing whatsoever by God.)
Juan, you are confusing error with schism. I don’t think it constitutes heresy.
Schismatics reject the Pope and the Church. They often form their own parishes. They are not part of the Church.
They can believe everything that the Church believes but their refusal to submit to the Pope or to be a part of the local Church is what makes them schismatic. Not their beliefs.
Likewise, a diocesan parish priest may err or even commit heresy but not be schismatic. He would have to resist and persist in his error or heresy after correction from his ordinary to be considered dissident. He would still not be schismatic unless he left to form his own church or led his parish out of communion with the bishop.
All schism is heresy but not all heresy is schism. All heresy is error but not all error is heresy.
These poor priests. And I mean that. They have no idea that the LGBTQ+ agenda will eat them alive once they get what they want. They confuse acceptance and love with validation and affirmation. Their ideology is utterly incompatible with the sacraments and would dismantle the Church nut by bolt by nail. Many would sincerely deny this fact. But when their publicly stated goals for the Pride agenda are even given even a cursory glance, it becomes clear that inclusion in the Catholic faith is the last thing on their minds.
The religion of Christ is grown-up and mature, and the teachings can be hard. Not for babies and “hippie-liberal leftists,” high on dope, sex, “hippie-love,” and babyish gratifications, who refuse to grow up and manfully face life, and deal with the hard truths that Christ preached. God doesn’t cater to the whims of weak, babyish, self-gratification-seeking liberal leftists, with His Creation. Some people have serious illnesses and abnormalities– such as same-sex attraction. In God’s Creation– that is an abnormality, a disorder, which the afflicted one must deal with. A painful cross to bear. A good priest will manfully show these afflicted parishioners the true pathway to Christ, and how to handle their painful Crosses, and spiritually profit from their trials. They, too, can reach Heaven, with excellent, honest, authentic spiritual guidance and support from their priests.
Are any of these rebellious priests teachibg in Catholic high schools or colleges– especially, all-male Catholic institutions?? Disastrous!
Catholic parish priests and priests who worked as educators, once had strong intellectual reasoning skills, and you could not deceive them into babyish sympathy and immature, fake, humanistic-type “love,” arguing in favor of any kind of serious mortal sin. Especially, a boy or young man would get laughed at by all, for trying to argue with a priest in favor of human weakness and grave sin.
Being “loving” and “humanistic” does not mean advocating a babyish life of human weakness, immaturity, self-indulgence, pleasure-seeking, immorality, and irresponsibility, and constant selfish, narcissistic preoccupation with self. A good priest, and a good parent, helps a child to grow up strong, unselfish, and responsible, self-controlled, smart with good, objective thinking and reasoning skills and good judgment, ready to serve God, family, and country, and ready to be a good adult parishioner, and a good member of society.
Juan: I totally agree with what you say.
just one SMALL modification:
aren’t you being a little unfair to snakes ???
This priest needs to be removed from ministry immediately. The priest is obviously deficient in moral and sacramental theology and Christian anthropology. He just did tremendous damage to the faith of his parish flock. This is a test for Archbishop Gomez. Will he pass?
@ Kevin T – Ditto that!
“This priest needs to be removed from ministry immediately.”
And Holy Family Church closed pronto. (The whole congregation applauded? Was there not one Catholic there?)
This is what I was trying to tell you on another story. The only way that people could have reacted the way they did was if some priests were misleading them. Someone said it was silly. Do you still think so?
Of course the article brings up NAMBLA. An organization and cause long despised by most all gay people and one of the few organizations prohibited from marching in gay pride parades. The article completely misses the point of what the pastor is asking of his flock.
YFC, do you believe the church can and should bless same-sex unions? Yes or no? I’ll take silence or evasion as a yes. Simple question. One-word answer is all that is asked of you. Where do you stand?
Wow anonymous such an aggressive post. I think Fod blesses and the Church ought to bless wry one and everything. I can’t enter Holy Week believing that a God who became one like us and was tortured unto death would want anything less.
Why shouldn’t NAMBLA be mentioned, it is part and parcel of the LGBT crowd whether you believe it or not. Tell me if an underage child is able to make the decision to “transition” from one sex to another, as many in your crowd claim. Why isn’t that child able to make the decision to engage in sexual activity? Older gay men are the biggest proponents for lowering the age of consent..
nAMBLa is not part and parcel of the LGBT movement. They are despised as much by us as they are you. They are prohibited from lgbt pride parades.
YFC….I don’t believe NAMBLA was always prohibited from the Pride in Sodomy Parades. Once the homosexual lobby realized that it gave them a bad reputation then they threw them out. But let’s not forget what goes on in these parades although lately they seem to have cleaned them up so no more damage is done, and they “appear like your average man and woman”. About twenty years ago I was in NYC and waiting for my friend to arrive to see a Catholic off-Broadway play, my other friend noticed a parade going on so we walked a few blocks to witness it. What we saw was outrageous! Lesbians, nude from the waist up with whips and chains, and homosexuals simulating sex acts for all to see. There were children witnessing these abominations and it was the most sickening site I ever saw. Are there homosexuals struggling with this orientation and live quiet lives. I would never lump them into these other radicals who attend and promote sodomy. They need to witness and give others hope that change is possible although they will be censored because people refuse to listen to the truth. Why not you YFC?
Ronnie, once again, you are wrong. Not that I am surprised.
YFC….Wrong about what?. What we witnessed. No way! I saw it firsthand. And so did my friend. But let’s get back to those struggling with this gender identity, why not consider joining a group like Courage and witnessing to those who are lost. It won’t be easy but God will help you. I’m praying for you, please pray for me.
I never once said that Nambla was always prohibited from the parade. You keep saying untrue things.
OK YFC I’ll take your word for it. As for the other things I wrote, it’s all true. But let’s think about change and what you could accomplish to persuade others to seek Christ and live a life in tune with God.
YFC I highly doubt anyone in your crowd despises NAMBLA as I do.
NAMBLA was a participant in SF’s Folsom Street Fair in the early 90’s.
The gays are disavowing NAMBLA until they can promote them without hurting heir cause. When they succeed in lowering the age of consent and making it legal for a 50 year old to seduce a 12 year old, NAMBLA will be as much all the rage as drag queen story hour is now. Decent folk will recoil in horror, as they do now, but just as Heather Has Two Mommies and King and King became reading material in elementary schools, a tender story about an old man and a pre-teen boy will become pro-NAMBLA propaganda in schools.
Perfectly stated Anon….perversion has become natural
30 years ago
Just sayin. I’m gonna hope you kNow that the 1990s was 30 years ago. It was controversial and widely despised then and the kids that go to these things now weren’t even alive back then.
What these priests are asking of their flocks is to deny that gay sex is a moral failure, wrong, or sinful at all. They are asking their flocks to deny that gay unions are wrong or sinful. They are asking their flocks to abandon Christ and Catholicism by supporting gay ideology. You didn’t spell it out… you just left everyone hanging, but I’m sure that’s what you meant, right? Because that’s exactly what these priests are communicating and it’s exactly what they believe, which is why they should no longer be priests. They are anti-evangelizers.
“God does not and cannot bless sin.” is the new “Who am I to judge?” Let’s keep that quote alive. Everyone knows the alphabet crowd threw “Who am I to judge?” in faithful Catholics’ faces for years.
RE: YFC comment
YFC, where does the statement of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith [CDF] endorse NAMBLA or even mention it?
Leave it YFY to raise his own straw man. The declaration of the CDF simply said the Church could not bless [external forum] the faux-marriage of same sex persons because [and quite succinctly] the Church cannot bless sin. For years YFC has been on a crusade to reverse the consistent doctrine that same-sex genital activity is OBJECTIVELY a grave sin, always and everywhere. Yet he fails to acknowledge that the Church, equally strongly, teaches that judging the SUBJECTIVE GUILT of one committing an OBJECTIVELY grave sin is reserved to God alone.
Despite YFC’s perennial propaganda, it’s not the Church which is the heartless bogeyman. It’s YFC, who cannot seem to grasp the essential moral and merciful distinction between objective moral evil and subjective guilt.
I sent in a reply to your comment but Cal-Cathoic didn’t see fit to publish it.
To it’s great credit, the CDC does NOT mention Nambla. And I never once said that it did.
Sorry I meant CDF not cdc.
“But you dear friends, must remember the predictions made by the apostles of Our Lord Jesus Christ. For they said to you, ‘In the final age there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly passions.’ It is these people who create divisions, who follow their natural instincts and who do not follow the Spirit.
However, you, dear friends, must build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in the love of God as you await our Lord Jesus Christ in his mercy, who will grant you eternal life. Have compassion for those who are wavering. (to be continued).
(Continued) Save others by snatching them out of the fire. And for still others have compassion mixed with fear, hating even the tunic defiled by their bodies.” Jude 1:22.
God bless those like Joseph Sciambra, whom I believe are really trying to “snatch some out of the fire”. May God give them final perseverance.
Love does not encourage people to do things that will eventually destroy both their bodies and souls, whether heterosexually or homosexually.
The anonymous continuation of the book of Jude 1:22 above was mine — Anne TE
Some people have “agape love (Christian love)” thoroughly mixed up with “eros love (lust)”. The two are opposites. One is life giving, life preserving; the other leads to death.
This priest say one thing basically: love one another as I have loved you. That Christ’s message remains largely unheard is evident by the commentary.
Stop with the vagueness, please. Someone can be gravely in error about what love is. Someone can do what he believes is love but is in fact evil and sinful. One example: an adulterer says he loves his mistress, yet when he is unfaithful to his wife he sins because he does not know nor act in accordance with the love of Christ. Shall we bless adultery now because it is “love”? You can’t fool us. Gay unions are not loving as Christ loved. Gay sex is not loving as Christ loved. They are of the evil one. The fact that Christ’s true message has not been taken to heart by more than just a few priests is evident in the video and in the story. Instead of acting in persona Christi they act in persona satanis when they speak such deceit and error and lies.
Lying to people is not loving them. Misleading people is not loving them. Do unto others as you would have it done unto you. I don’t want people telling me that black is white because they think I’m too fragile to hear the truth. I don’t want people telling me what they think I want to hear. I don’t want people trying to discern where I’m at so that they can accompany me. Just tell me the truth.
Early on in my conversion, I asked a priest if it was a sin to use birth control. He said “It depends on where you’re at.” That just left me more confused. Later, I read Humanae Vitae and I found out it was a grave sin to use birth control-a sin you had to confess before you could receive communion.
Why did he lie? Why didn’t he just tell the truth? I wasn’t looking for self-justification or an excuse. I just wanted the answer to a question. Beyond frustrating.
That is _ridiculous_.
The monsignor is blatantly condoning sodomy in the video. Save your gaslighting for others.
Love one another as I have loved you. Jesus said that. This is what everybody has been saying for years. The way that Jesus loved us was that he emptied himself for us, taking the form of a slave. He was not self-centered. He was all about His Father’s mission. He gave himself up for us. He cared about what was best for us not what we wanted to fulfill our earthly desires. And he did not worry about hurting people’s pride.
You should feel loved when someone cares enough to tell you the truth. The truth will set you free. People who lie to you are keeping you bound to something that is bad for you. (This is a general you-not to any one person) People who lie to you are more concerned with keeping you down than lifting you up.
Tell me this: would a mathematics professor who told his class that 2+2=3 be allowed to continue teaching? No. So why are these priests not removed immediately from ministry? They have taught their parishes something analogously in error. A bishop who fails to remove any such priest as these is failing in his duty. The Church is sick.
Understand this: effective managers don’t tolerate insubordination nor actions by subordinates that undermine the mission of the organization. If the priests in the video and in the article aren’t disciplined or transferred, then they have the tacit or explicit approval of their bishops. Think about that and wait to see what happens.
Archbishop Alexander Sample of Portland, OR, thanked Pope Francis for rejecting a request to bless same-sex relationships. He said the affirmation of Church teaching “is not a matter of discrimination but of honoring the truth of the human person and the dignity of marriage itself.” Sample added: “I realize this is an unpopular truth as evidenced by the response by many to this statement, which was approved by Pope Francis.”
Let us pray that more bishops (priests and others) do likewise.
“which was approved by Pope Francis.”
But to echo Bp. Rene Gracida’s reaction: what’s going to be the catch? Certainly, there’s going to be one.
How can a Bishop allow such priests to continue to serve and preach lies to their congregations. “We believe in love” So, the Bible has nothing to say about adultery, fornication, homosexual sex? If you “love” someone, this priest thinks it is okay to have a sexual relationship with them and there is no sin? Does he read the bible? Does he know what the catechism says, or is he the pope of a new modern religion that just threw out the bible and the God of the Old and New Testament and preach “love is love” to the applause of his misinformed, uncatechized and deluded congregation.
The Catholic Bishops need to clean house or just give up.
Why are these men even priests?
Let’s be clear: the priests who say these things are jeopardizing their salvation. Being a priest or a bishop or a pope in hell must be a miserable way to spend eternity.
You have also forgotten the exhortation addressed to you as sons:
“My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord
or lose heart when reproved by him;
for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines;
he scourges every son he acknowledges.”
Endure your trials as “discipline”; God treats you as sons. For what “son” is there whom his father does not discipline?
Hebrews 12:5-7
Gomez isn’t going to do anything about it. He and most other US bishops became priests at a time when it was culturally respectable to become a priest. They were promoted to bishop because they would presumably manage the institutions without making waves. Almost none of them have a clue what to do in the current climate. They aren’t evangelizers. They are company, middle-management men. Bishop Barron is the only exception. They will keep quiet and manage the church’s decline until they retire and then breathe a sigh of relief that it didn’t completely fall apart on their watch.
Click the link. Watch the homily. It will please some who post here and displease others. It made me sad. The part about the night burials in Ireland was interesting.
His thought that the Church needs to become worthy to accept the blessing of having gay married people in the Church is turning things upside down. The Church is not rejecting gay people. The church understand the trials of gay people. The Church is here to get everybody to Heaven. The Church cannot deceive and tell you that sin is OK.
I forgot it was Friday yesterday and ate meat. I was upset when I realized it. Someone said to me “It is not a sin if you forgot.” I said “It is not a mortal sin if I forgot. It is still a venial sin. It is a sin that needs to be confessed.” I know that God will forgive me and that He will have mercy on me. But I have to be sorry and I have to decide that I will not do it again. Yes, it was an accident. I abstain all year long. I did not forget not to eat meat on Friday. I forgot that it was Friday. I am going to confess it. I understand how it happened and will take more care to not do it again.
I do not understand people who sin freely and then want the Church to tell them that it is OK. It is not.
Many women have early miscarriages and do not know it. In such cases it would be impossible to baptize the child. Parents and Catholic healthcare workers, who know the parents would want the child baptized, have the obligation to baptize the miscarried child with water. The Church taught the worse thing that could happen to an unbaptized child was Limbo, a natural state of happiness, but it was not declared a full doctrine according to some. St. John Paul II said we should leave such children to the mercy of God. God knows best. Perhaps parents mentioned in priest’s sermon refused such baptism.
You cannot baptize the baby If he or she is dead. You cannot baptize by pouring water on the belly of the mother. (A family member attempted that.)
They used to teach nurses to open the sac that contained the miscarriage and baptize that way since they were not sure the child was completely dead. If the child is totally dead of course it is impossible to baptize it as I mentioned in the first line of previous post. Parents are not at fault if they cannot do anything about it, or do not know any better, but if they refused to baptize the child when it was alive but ill that is a different situation. I doubt the priest giving the sermon knows all the details of those past situations.
Once again, the ultimate question is “How does one love?” Do you love someone by lying to them? Some people do. They call them white lies. All lies come from Satan.
I have lied to not hurt someone. It did not help them. But it kept them from getting mad at me.
People think that some people can’t handle the truth. It is really that they cannot handle the other person’s reaction to the truth.
Regarding some of the priest’s sermon, in past non Christian and pagan cultures, suicide was often held up as an honorable and expected thing to do in certain situations, and the Church wanted to discourage that, so burial from the Church was denied in some cases. Private prayers for such people were never denied as far as I know, and we still pray for those in purgatory with no one to pray for them. All that, too, has to be left up to the mercy of God as we never know the final state of a person’s conscience, but we still cannot condone sin.
Why do you go to Church? Do you go to Church to feel loved? Or do you go to Church to make yourself more loving, more holy? To worship Infinite Love? Do you want to please God? Or do you just want to be told that God loves you as you are?
Of course, he loves you. He loves everyone. He wants everyone to come live with Him in Heaven. There is a narrow gate.
Pray to Mary. Pray the Rosary. Read the Scriptures. Try harder to be good in all things.
Don’t say it is OK if I do such and such sin because I am good in another area or better than another person.
Don’t kid yourself. When you know better you do better.
You can see CBS Good Morning’s report on Gay Priests on youtube.
I would never bless a union of two people that was not done in accordance with the Moral Teaching of the Catholic Church. I have, of course, blessed whole families, Police Officers and Firefighter as a group, and entire sports teams all made up of males. I’ve blessed father and son. There is nothing wrong with blessing these people individually or as a group. But blessing a “same sex union” isn’t going to happen.
However, we haven’t heard both sides of the story from the Priests and Bishops in Los Angeles who are being mentioned here. Have we become part of the gossipy cancel culture? I certainly hope not.
“However, we haven’t heard both sides of the story . . ”
Sigh. The Church is meeting with the worst crisis in her history — one involving immeasurable volumes of filth, blasphemy, and heresy (and that’s just in the priesthood) — and some would rather play patty-cake with the Devil right now.
The Paulists, like the Jesuits, are Marxist subversives and, as Vigano would say, part of the deviated wing.